I think you guys should grow up and leave al lthese name trading. Lets face the real issues. Mazaje, I know Horus's disposition is unfortunately racist in nature but if he has said something no correct or supported by FACTS, we should set him straight.

Horus, no body doubts the meaning of the word ALBINISM that you have asserted. What we doubt is your presupposition that the whites (caucasians) lack pigmentation. We need genuine facts to that effect supported by science. Show to us that the whites completely lack melanin.

You may want to probably consider why so many whites like hanging out in the beach under the sun and staying that long under it. If they actually lack melanin, why dont they all get sunburned? Even you back in the tropics, do you not use shades in the sun? So, whats this propangada of whites not having melanin? I repeat - whites do but in smaller proportions and that does not make them cursed.

Back to the book of Leviticus you quoted earlier.

For thiose who want t oread the full scripture, it is given in Lev. 12 : 1 - 36. But for the benefit of this discussion, I would pick highlight verse. Vs 22: , And if it spread abroad in the skin, then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is a plague.
23. Butif the bright spot stay in his place, and spread not, it is a burning boil, and the priest shall pronounce him clean.
24. Or if there by any flesh, in the skin whereof there is a hot burning, and the quick flesh that burneth have a white bright spot, somewhat reddish, or white;
25 Then the priest shall look upon it; and, behold, if the hair in the bright spot be turned white, and it be in sight deeper than the skin; itis a leprosy broken out of the burning: whereof the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is the plague of leprosy. ,

From the above, the scenario being painted by Horus is far from being true. Albinism and leprosy are two very different things. You have tried to make the two look as if they are the same whereas they are not.
The scripture above clearly talsk about spots on the body as a pre-requisite for determining whom to take to the priests for check up before any declarations as to whether he has leprosy or not. It does not in any way indicate that the because the skin colour is white, then the person has leprosy. mid you, leprosy, which the bible passage mentions is not related to melanin in anyway. You may wish to also prove that to us. The condition being described in the bible is leprosy and not albinism.

China in the bible

What you have failed to realise is that the bible is not a book of a list of nations for you to have expected all nations of the earth to be mentioned in it. It also then follows that The fact that it does not mention the names of those places does not mean that God does not know they exist. Several parts of the whole world are mentioned in the bible for specific purposes and in r3elation to the plan of God for different peoples, lands and the whole mankind at large. If I might ask, what cardinal point do you have india and china you have mentioned for instance. I need to be sure so that I would know how to answer you.

THe mark onCain;s skin

You are probably telling me that the mark God said he would put on Cain was not a mark but an entire colouration of the man from hwead to toe. That leaves more questions than answers you know. A mark is a mark. The bible is silent about the kind of mark but it has nothing to do with races.

It is unfortunate that some people are not cultured enough to mix among humans despite living amidst humans (how am I even sure?). Real men dont loose their heads over nothing. Be calm and perhaps you might learn one or two things. Even if you disagree with something, let sanity prevail over your shortcomings and ask questions politely rather than resort to vulgar words. Nobody has a monopoly of derogatory words mind you.

Jagunlabi and blackcat,

I am not one of those who believe that melanin is a curse. In actual fact, everyone has melanin but in different proportions. Its only black supremacists proponents who have nothing to show for it anyways thatwould say erringly that the white man lacks melanin. Its not true.

Horus, that the skin of the whites are what it is does not imply that they are albinos as you would want us to believe. It is not so.

Mazaje is somewhat inquisitive concerning the silence of the scriptures.

Fundamentally, Adam and Eve were created with the inhenret genetic capabilities to produce different races. The experience at the tower of babel isworth mentioning here. When God confused the languages of men, theyhad no option but to look for the few who could understand themselves so that they can resettle elsewhere. Now, their regathering implied that people with varying amount of pigmentation must have come together and given birth to offsprings of slightly different colourations or amounts of melanin.

Your ward could be lighter than both parents. That is very true and cannot be unfounded.

Ham firstborn was Cush who later gave birth to Nimrod. Cush (Kush) is traceable more to Africa now that anyother part of the world.

I have got to rush home. More on this tomorrow especially with the man looking for China in the bible.

Many thanks,

Have you heard? Can it be true? Is this how depraved the human flesh is? God help us!

http://www.saharareporters.com/www/news/detail/?id=494

I usually sarcastically ridicule my wife whenever I remember our wedding night; the first time I touched her, broke her hymen and painted the room red! We laugh at it and she demands that I forever buy her flowers to show that I deflowered her! The experience always make me view her as a pet that must be preserved and not hurt and which must be watered even after a two kids. Met what I expected and loved and still love it! Oh! Its not about  virginity. Sorry!

Sex is for Pleasure. Sex is for Procreation. Sex is for intimacy. Intimacy of a couple is never complete without consummating with Sex. Sex is paradoxical: it is meant to show ushow intimately God would like to be entwined within our beings. The bible uses often the clause: , and Adam knew his wife, The word KNOW is deeper than you can ever think. Everytime you have Sex (with your wife please), let it remind you that you ought to seek to have that intimacy with God your creator.

Remember, Sex is for this earth alone! Angels have no sex organs! Appetite dies out and what remains in the relationship? So, better than Sex, seek partnership that marriage offers. The abuse of Sex ires God deeply and the black man was the first to suffer a damning punishment from God for this violation of the use of Sex.

Cheers!

My sis. I dey kampe. I have been on vacation since lat year and only resumed today. Thank God for his mercies. I can see that you have been very busy here sha! Thumbs up! Hope you still got a perfect blend of work and studies?

Horus:

@cgift
There are two things that are infinite:Your stupidity and the universe, and I'm not too sure about the universe.

But why the rage? Even if you are frustrated, you dont need to show it in front of your son. Be matured a bit your age notwithstanding. Did I deride you in any way? I was thinking my submission would pave way for some nice chat but unfortunately it was lost on you. You probably are not havinga good day. Nevertheless, cheer up!

Your Nubians were blacks, descendants of Ham (the father of Cush and grand father of Nimrod), who were under the curse of their great-great---grand father, Noah due to Ham's misbehaviour after the great flood. The blacks continued to revel largely in their inordinate lifestyles and paganism which continued to put them under the curse of God despite their being under the curse of man (their father). This was the beginning of the black man's problems : Genesis 9:27; God shall enlarge Japheth, and he (Japheth) shall dwell in the tents of Shem (Jews and Arabs); and Canaan (Hamites and black race) shall be his servant (slaves).

Horus, your Nubians were very black people and dealt very wickedly against the Hebrews when they conquered Egypt. Joseph successfully throgh the plan of God brought his family into Egypt (Africa) to escape the famine in their region then. The king (pharoah) was very friendly to Joseph and his family due partly to the favour of dream interpretation and wise counsel that Joseph gave the king. But the bible talsk of another king who knew not Joseph. How is it possible for another king not to know Joseph and his family after Joseph's death if he had been in Egypt and had been there when the Jews started growing expanding in the land of Goshen into mainstream Egypt even after jospeh's death? This was the period the Nubians invaded Egypt and ruled. They were very brutal to the Jews. The bible gives us this account of hisotry. The old tension and family division, which resulted from Ham's profane behavior at Ararat, was still there in Egypt, so God mercifully rescued His people from Egypt as given in the account of the Exodus.

The blacks of course where the first to perpertuate slavery . It just seemed like an evened score when the table turned around and we were plundered as well.


Horus, calm down okay. Paganism was Ham's children's handiwork. Right from canaan - the Israelites were afraid to go into canaan to face the black men there They were ripe in paganism. It angers God cos He is a jealous God and wants your worship and not ancestral worship. Your ancestors that you seek to worshi were created by this same God. Worship the creator and not his creatures!

Our discussion continues shortly.

Interesting topic really but can go out of bounds if not properly managed.

The bible does not encourage Soul travelling. Why you may ask? That portion of the human soul that does that is a very very delicate one which God himself seeks to control. People miss it when they think they can control the spiritual without recourse to the creator. It is that part that God himself during creation, his breathe. Man was just a like a dull baby when he was created - useless! But when god breathe into him, tha breathe, gave life to the spirit, the soul, mind and / or intellect. God himself must control the functioning of these for you to remain useful to him.

You talked about dreams. God is really interested in that state of yours whem asleep. The bible says he opens our ears in the visions of the night (while sleeping). The bible also talsk about the outpouring of the spirit of God upon his children which will then activate these gifts of dreaming, visions, prophecy and others. What happens in the dream estate goes a long way to determine what happens in the physcial realms. And that is why a child of God must know how to exercise authority even after a dream.

People are active in dreams and while dreaming (during sleep), many people have entered into trouble/problems especially spiritually which takes its turn on the physical. People have eatne in dreams and that marked the beginning of crisis in their lives. Many have been beaten up in dreams only to wake up to find physical stripes over their bodies. many have fought battles in dreams and depending on the outcome, saw physcial manifestations.

Yes! Dreams are powerful and thats why you need the power of Christ. Christians do not conjour visions/trances/dreams, forces take their minds their while they are asleep. When you are of Christ, your dream-life becomes subject to him and then He can use it to tell you secrets (about self, else, nations, anything) , fight and win enemies, teach you things (physical and spiritual) - but you dont launch yourself into such states , that is not biblical.

The bible is a divine book which has just what you need to be a champion on this earth. Nothing more. Once you begin to go out of the bible, you loose track and gradually commit your soul to the evil one.

Horus et al,

This is what really happens when people seek too much knowledge. The wont be able to draw the line and before they know it, poof! They are into the other side not initially intended.

Again, all these happen when out of too much curiosity and inherent hatred for the truth and deep reasoning, we deliberately subvert the truth and would rather lay hold of dubious, fictions and fables or stories passed down but wothout basis?

Do you know that what we have today in very broad terms are actually blood brothers? The three sons of Noah who worshipped Jehovah God as we have in the bible, i.e. Shem, Ham and Japhet are the fathers of the broad races we have today? When i say broad races, i mean - Caucasians, Blacks and the Middle Easterners? Japheth is the father of the whites (Caucasians), Ham - the father of the blacks or hamitic people and Shem, the father of the middle easterners (including Isrealites and Arabs put together)? Do you know the pronouncements that their father Noah made on each of his three sons and what he said about their respective futures? Do you mind studying the bible to see how the past prophecies of Noah and other prophets are coming to pass concerning racism and the plan of God for all these races in the end times?

Do you know the special promises God has for the physical Israelites - then spiritual Isrealites? Why dont you take time to understand God through his words - The Bible? Mind-settling answers to all these racism issues are clearly outlined in the scriptures.

If you know and understand these, you will have less trouble understanding racism. Racism cannot be stopped by any human efforts. The only solution which can stop it is reconciliation in Christ. As long as some people continue to deried and deny Christ by all means possible, they will never know peace. This is because, He is the only solution to racism and all other problems of the world. I for one, I laugh at the very stupid tensions in the middle east between blood brothers. Those who think the bible is against the Arabs (the descendants of Ishmeal - who today make mot of the muslim worlds) are just bold-faced liars! The muslim reader (especially if from the middle east) can seek to take a ride with me as I show him the kind of future that God of the Bible has for him through Christ for the future. They have a special place which they themsleves do not know which is as a result of the special focus God placed on Ishma-el the son of Hagar! The arabian muslim will then see what hope no other book or person can offer him when he comes to Christ of the Bible.

To those who talk about the control by the white man over the blacks, are you surprised? Do not be. It was meant to be. Their father, Noah, wanted it that way and pronounced it so. Ever wondered about slave trade you are usually angry about? It was clearly foretold in the Bible with the same foundation laid by Noah. Oh! Is it the troubles in the middle east? Thr ground work was laid by the father Noah also.

In these scheme of things however, the black man was not favoured cos of his grave error against his father.

Care to know the story of your true past and how it affects the present with the plan of God for the future, grab your copy of the bible and have a deep study and reflection with God.

pilgrim.1:

Precisely the point. Well done.

Pilgrim.1 How ya doing sis? Long time. acada nko? Missed you on the forum sha! Welcome back hope it is full welcome this time around.

On the issue of using the torah alone as the basis for discussion, Olabowale wont last a quote and to show his fraudulent nature, he would tell you they are corrupted or is it lost?

these muslims sef,

luv2talk:

This thread is useless,i beg,find another thing to talk about, hmmmm

Why do you just conclude that the thread is useless if yiou dont have something up your sleeves? I would have thought that like someone who is seeking for knowledge and enlightenment, you would have craced to ask them how it feels out there other than Islam. Probably not of an inquisitive mind I guess

Uncle Oli,

How come mo restricted you people to 4 wives when he took 22? He was selfish and had very serious issues with his libido right? What is happening? Why are you restrictedto four when Mo had 22? Can you do more than 4 Olabo?

In short I am just tireed of this their ignoble religion. It is just problem after problem. They should prepare for the final show down soonest. They will be shocked at what God will do with them. They should have known already that theirs is a cursed religion from time immemorial.

Ivvie,

I hardly read such long posts but I read this one. It is food for thought really. I am skeptical about Benny Hinn too though I am a penticostal. I am very weary of him. I am not happy about so many things he does really but I am still praying and watching to finnaly cut that picture and confirm that he is a real fake.

However, your personal opinions that you stated are strictly what they are: YOUR OPINIONS! people speak in tongues today. Thatis not to say that it has being bastardised. I know of an occassion where one man spoke in toungues and immediately after the exercise, someone from the congregation just rose up surprisingly and told the whole house that what he just said was a reciting of the entire Pslam 23 in his language. People where shocked! The person saying it did not even know what he was saying. That is one angle - the language of men.

In some other meetings, the person with the gift of toungues says it and the other with the gift of interpretation gives the meaning still under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

I know you are a catholic and would not understand most of these things. But never condemn what you dont understand in its entirety because you might find yourself in the same thing later in life by then which you would have had fuller understanding.

Shallom!

They are best being nuns dearie. Nuns!

auwal87:

*cgift
Imagine a product named 3 in 1, meaning it has 3 functions in one machine, that is how I understand your own Christian God,

hmn. Can you please throwm a little more light?

auwal87:


*Poster
The only time when I think the Holy Qur'an can disappear, I think is when you get the technology to remotely Format (erase) some parts of human brain, then you can format the brain's of those that can read from the Holy Qur'an uphead. "Man is not a Computer", Blaspheming our religion (Islam) will never set it backward, so, let us be calm, let us keep praying, let us unite together, and we will surely succeed, in trying to explain something in defense of Islam, you may go off the track, so lets be attentive to their imaginations, and come up with a solid and concrete way they can never turn out to it,
May Almighty Allah protect us from our Enemies, Amin,

Allah will not answer that prayer for you. The only answer is for you to take up your swords and chop off heads

babs787:

@cgift

Let me have the verses from the OT where it was said that he would be nailed to the cross and would resurrect after the third day.

Thanks

I wont waste my time giving you what will not add value to a mind which is locked out of reasoning. Of what good would that serve? Perhaps you should do the asignment yourself. Afterall, the internet is at your disposal.

if you like, take the job, if you like, ditch am. na for inside this bank job people like me build house, marry, born pickin and what else. if them say make we sleep for office i ready. infact, i no fit count the number of times i don sleep for office sef. You dey feel me? You know say garri sweet for mouth.

2001 when i finish se4rvice i bin stay house for three months b4 STB call me that time and i will like to say, an idle mind, na devil workshop. so my pple, if you seebankwork wey dem tell you say na 12 p.m. you go they close, abeg collect am o!

OMUWUNMI:

honestly me i no know o,but my friends tolded me that na because some of them{men and women} no dey wear pants and bra.

I have been hearing this too oft. Is it actually true ? or perhaps supported also in the quran? haba! Why them dey exposure demsefs like this kwanu? 

Rash_edu:

You have no point of saying that muslim face the East when praying, in that case, can somebody tell me while all the christian can not going to desame church.

Why some christian does not like Celestial, is it not because of their evil-malpractice are they not christian.

Where is this person from nauw! Seems like your posts reveals your age or reasoning-ability.

mdsocks:

Logically, folks. If God wanted apostates dead, then why in this verse does Allah entertain the prospect of repeated belief and disbelief? Yes, God is saying that he will not forgive such people, but he is not saying that they ought to be killed.

mdsocks,

From the look of things, you wont last too long anymore in Islam. You know why? Your mind is somewhat peaceful. Forget all the hot exchanbges we have all had on this sensitive issues. I think you are cool headed and have the grace to keep your sanity intact.

Obviously, you would be labelled as a weak muslim were you to be in the midst of core adherents. In the north in those days, hausa muslims killed the yoruba muslims during the dirty religious cruises. Till today, the hausa muslims still believe that their style of worship is far more representative of the true islam than the yorubas.

Now, back to the verses you qouted. Logically, those verses sound graceful as they at least give opportunities to "erring" people but that is why when muslims talk about contradictions in the bible, i laugh because they have nottaken time to really study their quran and (authentic) hadiths. If they do, they will not look at reporting error or typographical errors and call it errors at all. You willagree with me that the verses you qouted have very sharp contradictions to the ones nwado posted. That is a contradiction because two conflicting modes of conducts have been presented on the same issue of apostacy. So, which ever approach you take as a muslim in dealing with the issues, you arestill correct because at least a verse supports you.

If you look at the call of Mohammad where he tried to give accounts of his call unto "prophethood", he gave four differing accounts. Imean very different accounts. You know the story i guess. That gives me a cuase for serious concern because it invariably means the "prophet" could not really substantiate his call. At one pointhe said it was angel gabriel. later he said it was allah himself who came down on two other occassion, different stories.

Back to the topic, i think people like you have a lonmg way to go and would meet with very stiff opposition if not even cost you your life if you dare try to preach tolerance to your brothers. Do not bother to do it. It will be too costly 'cos someone qwould just plot your death. Please remain conservative and do not expose your calm / peaceful mindset amidst muslims very easily. It might be used against you.

Its good night from me.

olabowale:


(There will be 73 divisions amongst those who claim that they are "Muslims." Have nation of Islam, here in America. Yet, when they preach, they sit and use the Bible. You will never know the difference between them and the Christians.

It is because you guys are so deluded that your quran, which definately lacks substance becomes a heavy piece ofjunk in your hads, you therefore need to resort to a book that has answers to life's questions with certainties. Wonder how you guys try to smuggle MO into the bible by hook and crrok means? Ever wondered why MO directed you to the people of the book? Wondered why christians will never seek legitimacy to the bible from quran or any other inferior books?

(Since you are a Christian, what has God told you that is specific to you and no other Christian do not know, because of your PERSONAL encounter with Him? Give us specific details and it must be different from the run of the mill Christianity/Christian claim).

And why do you think you will understand this part? Your spirit is simply dead and not alive to spiritual things of Christ. So, no amount of explanations will serve you. Its the work of the Holy Spirit himself that will quicken your spirit man to be able to under Him.

As I have claimed, over and over again, my blood is an Ijebu blood. In my over half a century that God has allowed me to be alive, I have not Islamically worship Satan. Yet whenever I read the Qur'an, I have been commanded to start with a declaration of seeking the protection of Allah Almighty against Satan the accursed. If I were to enter the Bathroom, regardless of its beauty and cleanliness, I seek the same protection. When I yawn, the same protection. When I see things that can make my heart sway towards evil, I seek the same protection. When a husband and wife meet in bed, they seek the same protection. How then do we in Islam, have satanic influence over us, if we are idealistic Muslims?)

The only thing you clearly need protection from is your lack of judgement on things that are not esoteric.

nwando:

look olabowole,I have been very respectful to you as a person but if you begin calling me names like in your earlier reply on an issue not addressed to you,you will hear from me.
I don talk my own finish

I like this cyber-respect o! Olabowale gets irked easily and exposes himself to the ridicule of we his children's mates. Please pardon him. Look at the issues and not the adhominems nwababy.

mdsocks:

I have said, he lacked creativity and didn't copy the rubbish about the four coners of the earth written in the bible?

My friend go to sleep if you have nothing to contribute here. How many times have we explained the meaning of the four corners of the earth to you on this forum? This is what we keep saying about the duplicity of muslims. You tell them something and they later bring it on as if you never treated it.

Did you do geography at all? If you did, you would have known that the North, South, East and West are referred to as the four corners of the earth, i.e., the four cardinal points. They are also referred to as the ends of the earth.

When someone says that men came from the four corners of the earth, it implies from all over the world. Just dont display your foolishness now. In your desperation to decry the bible, you keep nailing yourselves and when we ask why you and your cohorts try smuggling MO's name into the same bible, you will be at a loss.

What manner of thoughts goes on in your minds for God sake?

olabowale:

@lafile: Read my entry after what your associates wrote. I only gave a fraction of
what makes a a Muslim out of prophet Adam. Again not all Muslims are prophet,
but all Prophets are Muslims. If you disagree with me, present your argument, in the
light of the definitions of Muslim/Islam and Prophet/Messenger. To help you to a better
understanding: All Messengers are Prophets, but not all Prophets are messengers.

You are jsut hawking goods that have expired like a sour milk.

For ther records, allah was not in existence during the time of Jesus Christ and He could not have therefore being submissive to allah. Allah existed before MO and MO only raised allah from one of the pagan gods since it was regarded as a high god.

Again, Jesus Christ never submitted to the work of men's hands, an idol. By your lame defination of whom a Muslim is, then all true christians are muslims abi but they are not followers of MO.

And lastly, do notdeceiveyourself saying Mohammad was a prophet. He was not. He never hadf any prophetic quality in him. No miracles, he lacked understanding of science, he lacked good human relations, he lacked the ability to tell of future events accurately. All he had was his slit belly when he was young and the frequent epileptic seizures that made him convulse and call for blanketsto be put on him during those infamous times of his.

Again, MO was no called prophet of Jehovah God. I wish you the best in your game of probability you play with your soul.

Bankole01:

The real reason is muslim women do not wear underwear and muslim men being randy dogs, will start tearing at the women right inside the mosque. So to prevent chaos and mad orgies, they had to be separated!!!!!!!!!!!!
yunk yunk yunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want to discountenance that statement. Please lets get serious no porn here please,

emmydee:

hey girl friend, u don't sound real. u actually wanted that to happen. next time you feel sexy, drag your husband and let him have u front and back rather than seeking it elsewhere.it's just like taste, once you are tasty, first drink enough water before looking 4 alcohol, ok.

95% of men wey hear this thing go lynch their wives. chai! man sabi jealous o!

make this guy come Ikorodu nauw! hin go get new three bed room flat for N120K 2 yrs! I beg, come enjoy ur life for Ikorodu my guy. Only you three bed rooms. oya come sharp sharp

Why feeling for me? I asked u a question and you have not answered and u are feeling. Will you still call me a muslim if I say I believe in allah but do not believe in Mohammad? Afterall, it was not Mohammad that introduced allah to mankind, allah had been in existence before MO was born.

Pls answer my question? Again, here it is: Will you still call me a muslim if I say I believe in allah but do not believe in Mohammad?