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Dios:
Macalurs and Ka

The bible says, the bible says, the bib>>>>>, >>>>>>>>> The bible says a bunch of crap that don't make sense. It's a book of fantastic illogical stories written by the equivalent of hollywood screenwriters of the middle ages.

Angry bulldogs on the prowl. The concept of God beats your imagination and you are confounded! Go back to Christ, his yoke is easy and his burden is light.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 ]Hi cgift,

I've enjoyed your rejoinders to a great extent - especially the one on Leviticus 12 that clearly demonstrates Mary was not without sin. That was excellent - and I would like to 'obtain' copyright permission to use your ideas in expounding on that subject later on.[/quote]Expressly granted my sis. ;DNo wahala. Infact write a book on it


[quote author=pilgrim.1 ]However, I'd also like to beg you bros. . . small-small for them big brother Catholics. We don't want them to feel we deliberately launch our reponses at them to taunt their convictions. As we share Biblical truths with, and invite them to discuss (if and when they might be willing), then we might make 'em see more readily why our basic premise is for them to go back to God's WORD instead of setting their hopes on the traditions which they have not been to soundly defend.

Grace to you, my bros. . . more intelligence to you. [/quote]Pilgrim! You don dey bend? notin like small small o The kindom of heaven as bible talk am suffereth violence . TNo be physical violence i dey call for o. Dis one na cyber-violence! Me i go yearn like 'elDee talk for hin song'.

Okay, not to worry. I will relax a bit and be more subtle in my rejoinders.

Cheers!

Dear all,

i hope all of you are not closing this thread. Okay. It seems long enough. Me i have posted a counter on the new thread. I don do am b4 i see say na only catholics im put am for! hin for put am for the top say 4 ONLY CATHOLICS: hin go put am for bottom. No blame me o abeg!

davidylan:
This islamic habit of borrowing heavily from the bible to fill up the gaps in their fraud of a religion should be clear evidence to anyone confused that islam is not from the one true God.

Is their quran not lacking in substance?

ebos: Hi Carlosein, Oby1, Viee, Parmperme and all

You guys should continue with your Catholic faith. I love your respective positions and the prayers posted so far. They are really nice prayers, but to be honest, ebos is seriously lacking behind. I need your prayers. I have not participated in all devotions from 2004 till date- I mean May or October devotion. I tried to attend this year’s May devotion but was only active for just 4 days. Poor me!

Dont worry purgatory dey for you at least

ebos: @Pilgrim,

Hello, Hello, Hello – I don’t have problem with you in any way. You have done absolutely nothing to me, only that I’m over tired of the sneeringly rejoinder(s) here. If you can point-out any of our explanations you have conceded to be at least near truth, then we will know there is hope. Regrettably none you have accepted. I discovered that every point raised by Catholics was caricatured. No one has called you a devil; My Catholic guys can't call you that. They may make statements on how devil operates, but they can’t call you devil. Just go through the posts of our Protestant friends and even yours - they call Pope all sorts of names, Mary a devil etc.

Cheers and May God forgive us all

The Mary we refer to na the pagan Mary wei una pope them import from paga religion. Jesus no say make una honour im earthly mama

thes guys are just wasting their time worshipping a moon god and honouring a man who is lower than them in morales!

[quote author=ebos ]Every Catholic member has the entire wherewithal available to him or her to make heaven. We have Jesus Christ present at the Blessed Sacrament, we receive Him everyday, it is not symbolic, it’s real Jesus, and He dwells in us each time we receive Him.[/quote]That was why you people where burning people who deared to declare that it is only symbolic at stakes earlier abi? God will avenge the blood of those people.

There is somthing i'm not getting: you say it is the flesh and blood of the 'real Jesus' abi? So why do you people then still commit sin after taken it? You know Jesus never sinned, so if you eat his life body, he livs in you and therefore you cannot sin again. If you drank his 'real' blood, and since the blood of a being is its life according to the scriptures, you should not be able to sin again because his 'real' blood now flows through your veins. So why don't you people suddenly become 'superhuman'? i.e. sinless like Jesus? Or is my analogy not correct?

Oh! Probably, the bread will digest and the blood too will dissolve and then your 'superhumanly attributes will dissolve too abi ?. (_{Is my analogy okay Or wetin i dey talk sef? )} May be its like this: when you eat "Jesus" during the eucharist, you will 'behave' like Jesus in the 15 minutes the food is your body and after that you are somebody els entirely after the thing don digest! _{Oh my God! I hope i am getting myself}. Okay, guys, lt me know exactly the import of 'Jesus' in you when you 'eat' him please!

[quote author=ebos ]What a privilege! Those who rejected Christ teaching on His Real Body and Blood withdrew from Him from the beginning and we still have such people today who have continued to doubt the same Christ teaching in John Chapter 6. It is only Catholics that have adhered strictly to this teaching and have not withdrawn from following the Living God.[/quote]Do you know why those people ran away? They thought Jesus was referring to his real body and blood! They could not understand that Jesus was not referring to his real flesh to mak cannibals out of us! You can start another thread to hav the full meaning of the communion exposed to you. For your info, we do not become members of the body of Christ by participating in the communion. We become his brothers and sisters (spiritual family) by doing the pleasing Christ of God. See Mat. 12 : 49

[quote author=ebos ]Catholics worship only the Living God, while only Honour (and not worship) is given to Mary - the Holy Mother of our Saviour.[/quote]She is no longer Jesus's mother. You probably think that she will be carrying the appellation mother of God in heaven abi? You only deceive yourselves. Who tells you that there is a special place for her in heaven. She is like one of the other saints in biblical times.

[quote author=ebos ]Regrettably, Satan has continued to dissuade the easy deceived ones that it is wrong to confess their sins to Priests probably to add more souls to his blazing agony. Thank God for the truth in Catholic Church, the Pillar and Foundation of truth.[/quote]Hold it there bros ebos! That's why you guys have subjected yourselves to some srange dcotrines like if your priests tells you to do something wrong, you shall not be held liable because it is in obedience to the instruction of the priests abi? Even your popes have severally acknowldge this. Its a pity: LICENSE TO SIN Ebos, DO you also know that in the RCC, you are permitted to commit a lesser sin in as much as the lesser sin being committed will prevent you from committing a gretaer sin? Which doctrine is that ? Christs? You know its not from Christ but from the pits of hell!

Come to think of it: i know very much ebos that you (ebos) can lie under oath! Are you asking why? Why not? This is how it works: (_{i know you know this sha}) In as much as you hav confessed to the priests during the confessionals, you can go to a law court and tell a lie as a witness because sinc you hav 'confessed' to the priest, 'it is no longer there'. Kai! See doctrine o my God!

[quote author=ebos ]It should also be taken into consideration that no portion of the scripture itself teaches that the Bible is the only source of our authority or fact or information. [/quote]No wonder. You have finnaly hit it on th head. So the verse which says that 'nothing should be removed or added to the scripture is of no effct with catholics abi? Una weldone. So you guys have other sources of truth. Well since it is not from Jesus, it could not have being inspired by the Holy Spirit and since it is not from the Holy Spirit, it must be from demons!

[quote author=ebos ], it was written by the Church (Catholic) to help and guide us, but it does not contain every truth as last Chapter of John 21:25 put it, “there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.[/quote]It is written by you people abi? Yet what you have written condemns you. You have set traps for yourselves and are falling into it! Now tell us some of those things Jesus did (outside the pages of the bible now) that supports Mariolatory, where he said Mary (not him) is the Savior of Rome (_{shakes head}) and where he bowed down to Mary. Oya bring them on and shoot yourself in the foot!

If it was written by the Holy Ghost, it will not contradict the wordings/workings of Jesus because God is not a God of confusion that you guys would want us to believe here.


[quote author=ebos ]The above verse was supported by II Thessalonians 2:15, it says “Brethren stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word (orally) or our epistle (written) – Note by orally. So, Catholics have been accused often time of following some traditions which most people ignorantly believed to have not been in bible, but we often ask them if they have not come across the above Chapter in Thessalonians. We have also asked them many times without answer - to show us where it is written that the bible is the only source of our facts or information or authority.
[/quote]That is where the prolem lies. By doing this, you have opened a very gap to the machinations of men to infiltrate your doctrines with strange teachings. NO wonder! Because you do not depnd o the bible, you are forced to accept what one man taught or even what the devil has passed down 'orally'. Dont you know that what is not protected is abused? Your popes and priests from the very founders (not Peter) have put man-mad doctrines in there. Peter was married so where all the other Apostles. Instead you mandated celibacy (another strange and decietful doctrine). Man-made! Your openess to 'other sources' of truths have caused your leaders to err! They are dragging you along to the pits

[quote author=ebos ]Consequent upon the above, I’m begging, please, we need only Catholics in this forum and you are required to share your experience being a Catholic, how pretty you see Catholic doctrines[/quote]It is not a sin if i intrude. I got to this portion before i ssaw it! Sorry anyway! You can't delete it!

diyobdw:
You i keep remembering the fact that satan has be granted the grace to tempt humans and gather as much followers as he can.

am not falling for that.



i and still take a stroll,

yea! just like the fraud he put together and called Quran is still deceiving you people today

even person wei get only one post sef they talk about nairaland party

may God save ur souls. Inspit of this burning Contract scam you ar still thinking partying? all ur fun will be wiped off the next day i bet you. no be 9ja?

olabowale:
In the past, I stayed away from you, but now, you need thorough education and it is in the classroom or the professional live alone.

Olabowale,

Let me tell you that you know the major ills and slips of your prophet but you have deliberately refused to just bolt away from that time bomb. I keep wondering that inspite of the overwhelming evidence that proves that Islam is a fraud (a potpourri of various religions) and largely an adaptation of the prevailing culture of the arabians, you peopl refuse to simply see the truth. Their is no shame in discovering the truth; infact there is more honour in recovering from a sliding past.

What sort of vain religion shrouds the identity of its god? Your god does not describe himself. You say it is to being him down to the level of humans and that is blasphemy according to you people. Your god's name is an adaptation of one of the names of the one of the gods of the arabs; the moon god. Your prophet lived a life only of violense, lewdness nad hate and yet you say Islam means peace? Your have classified lands into two (land of WAR and land of islam). The land of war is where you have 'infidels" - there, muslims are told to first grow largely in number mainly by reproduction and when their numbrs outgrows the original inhabitants, they should declare jihad and convert it to land of Islam. Does that make sense in this centruy.

Again , you have so much fatal errors in your professed holy book where your prophet commands the angels to bring a verse to always justify his mischievious deeds. A prophet marrying an 8-yr old, marrying the wife of his adopted son? Cant you see that he was just a fraud? Or are you saying that though the did all these things, we should overlook it and still regard him a prophet? God forbid. He lived too much of a low and ridicuolous live when compared to my Jesus.

Anybody still assigning the office of a prophet to mohamad is obvioulsy in a dream land.

God have mercy!

Muslims should seek salvation in Christ.

At least their prophet mohammad has said amongst so many things that :1.) He dos not know where his miserable life was going (i mean afterlife) alongside that of his followers - but Jesus said unequivocally that I am the Way, Truth , and the Life, nd of his followrs he said he goes to prepare a place for us. (John 14)
2.) That a true muslim should honour Jesus Christ as a true prophet of God. Thank God we have the story of the immaculate birth in the Quran
3.) It is on record that Jesus was a good man (never violent) and Mohammad was a warrior (who kuilld, maimed, and shared spoils of war.
4.) He was given to sensualities - so he was just an ordinary fleshly man - he married (even an 8 yr old) but Jesus never did. You cant deny that.
5.) Jesus performed countless miracles - Mohammed none!
6.) Jesus said too many categorical, unshrouded, direct statments about Himself and the Almighty God, Mohammed dos have a clue about th attriutes of allah, his adopted god! In xtianity we know that God loves us, cares for us, dwelss in us and so on but their 'allah' is too big that he cannot come down to live in the muslims,

Cant you see for yourselves?

In this genration where the world is clamouring for peace, muslims believe when they get to a new land that is not theirs yet (they call it land of WAR), they should multiply rapidly by birth and marryong 4 wives so that they can grow and fill that land. If they now can match the original inhabitants in number, they should declare a jihad aimed at converting the land into land of ISLAM!

Thats why USA is digging their grave with the lotteries and admission of muslims. That principle of multiplying in new lands to take it over in the course of time is in their minds. Becuase of the teachings they push down their oesophagus, I for one will never tak a muslim as a tenant bcause of the spirit of violence that lives in them. Not because i hate their persons, i detest their actions. They are unpredictable - your muslim friend can turn out to dig your grave in times of upheavals. Ask those who ever livd in the north during those crises.

You will b shocked that Zeuxs himself will bown down and be humbled in judgement when the Son of Man (Jesus) sits on the throne.

jagunlabi:
I can tell you one thing,none of us poor brainless africans know jack about the inner workings of this european religion dumped on our laps.So we really can't be so opinionated about the davinci controversy.Let the "owners" of the religion debate on the subject.They are better equipped to do so.

You are erroneously generalising everybody who believs in Christ. abi? But that is wrong! The only religion where they have "inner workings" if i get you correctly is the RCC. Protestants on a general scale do not have!

Dios:
That wasn't my point but if you say so . At least I evolved, YOU ain't nothing but a trained monkey. Now grab a banana and go dance for your kike.

Now you are behaving like one of your greatgrand fathers, thought you have completely evolved into a full blown human

This is all trash. Listen: God creatd chicken to lay eggs. So the chicken came first. You guys should not disturb yourselves.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=75506.msg1530955#msg1530955 date=1190747847]WHY has the Catholic Church taken the divine titles of God and Christ and ascribed them to Mary?[/quote]Because in order to legitimise their demonic doctrines of the Mary in kweshun who is not the mother of my Lord Jesus Christ but some invention of the papacy), tried to put a stamp of legitimacy of the babylonian doctrines :

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

Dios:
You are a black man who refers to the bible to trace his lineage, because i know you also believe in that noah story.

And I'm the idiot?

You must have evolved from apes

davidylan:
No wonder she cries so much about "inner beauty"?

So do you have a poblem with that?

mrpataki:
Please give me a scripture to back what you have just stated here? Every man shall give an account of how he has lived his life on the last day. Giving a vague honor to a MOG sparks off another silent form of idolatry.

May God help us all.

yea! my BLW guys need to watch it before they idolise Pastor Chris. He is doing great anyway but only God knows thos who are His.

mrpataki:
I advice, go into the scriptures to find out whether the catholic doctrines conform totality to the life of Jesus.

God Bless.

Bro! There is an anathema! Word of caution! They have been banned from reading the bible and given it a meaning of their own. So the scriptures is what the popes/priests say it is. They have sworn absolute loyalty. So that advice that they go to read the scriptures is nonetheless [b]futile [/b]my brada!

kulex2k1:
Yep! Catholics have been around we are still around and most definately we'll ever be around. OS stop the hating or whatever u think you're doing most especially u pilgrim.1 or whateva. God bless us all.

Get this straight dude! No one hates nobody. What's me biz with da hating? Lts put matters in da proper perspective is what we'al saying dude! So much incoherence going on in those cathedrals bro enigineered by demonic doctrines so unbiblical and aided willingly by androids who have surrendered their intellects to the priests! Catholics need a nw lease of life in Christ Jesus! Dats da message. relay it! Nice day!

Carlosein:
Holy Mary, Our Hope, Seat of Wisdom, Pray for Us, Amen.

Jesus My hope, you are the Wisdom of God, please pray for me. Amen.

tbay89:
IF You DONT BELIEVE HONOURING MARY IS RIGHT THEN GO AND HIT YOUR HEAD AGAINTS THE WALL, OR GO AND TELL THAT TO YOUR VILLAGE OBA.

BETTER STILL, TELL DEVIL, MAYBE HE WILL BAN CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR YOU

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Welcome the true papist! Why do i need to tell the devil when your leadership is in partnrship with him. They are pals!

ricadelide:
bros consider this scenario;
Two friends (and their parents) die. The two friends go to heaven. However, one friend's parents end up in hell and the other's parents in heaven.
Can we then call the one whose parents end up in hell an orphan in heaven? (considering that he no longer has 'parents'?)

_{i don tire for this thread}

Rica,

See ehn. These guys don drink otumopo! Dem don brainwash dem sote dem bin forget dia name begin call demsef pope
The most knowledgeable of them will soon come and tell you another doctrine supporting consaguinity in heaven you will see.

soldee: Holy Mother of God - Mary has this title because she is the Mother of Christ, who has said he is one with God. By the way @ Pilgrim, do u also doubt the divinity of Jesus?

You would have said she was the earthly mother of Christ and nothing more. If Christ said he is on with God, why did you not say that sh is also the moth of Almighty God?

soldee: Mother of Christ - Mary is the earthly Mother of Jesus Christ

I inserted that word earthly [/b]so that you can still be within control. Sh has since ceased being the 'mother' of Jesus because as Jesus said, in the Kingdom of heaven in which we pressupose that they both her now, there is no marriage, nor conjugal relationships and the likes. So in "heaven", she would ot carry the appellation of "Mother of God".

soldee: [b]Mother most chaste - Jesus Christ, being of God, cannot endure or exist within the slightest lack of chastity. As such, God made our blessed Mother free from ALL impurity and sin to enable her carry the divinity in her womb

By this erring assumption, you have called God a liar! You have nullified the effect of His Words where he said that "All have sinned" So the work of Christ on the cross does not affect Mary abi? Another heretic doctrine!

soldee: Virgin most prudent - Of all virgins, our blessed Virgin is most wise, ever careful and ever cautious. So full of divine discretion

Mary told you herself abi? You talk as if it was Mary who chose God instead of the other way round (_{shakes head})

soldee: Virgin most renowned - Of all virgins, our blessed Virgin is most distinguished, she is celebrated by her Son, by all the angels and by all her children.

Oh! Angels have left God to start celebrating Mary (ABSOLUTE DEMONOLOGY!!!). Ar you sure you have not edited that script from "worshipped by her Son?"

soldee: Virgin most powerful - Of all virgins, our blessed Virgin is most powerful because of her sole position as Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son and Spouse of the Holy Spirit

Holy spirit don get wifey!

I beg i don tire jare.

soldee:
, Indeed, it is bewildering that some professing Christians who claim to believe the Bible never call Mary blessed nor honor her who bore and raised God the Son in His human flesh.

So it is now a sin becaue i have refused to swallow the doctrins of demons. Show me from your bible (i dont mind the ones preserved exclusively for catholics) where any of the apostles said "Ave Maria" of Honour to Mary. So if i dont say that, i am not a true christian abi? Please show me the gospel or epistle of whoever where it was declard any of the founders of the early church did that. I am waiting!

A few of your posts caught my attention just in passing:

soldee: Queen conceived without Original Sin - our blessed Mary from the first moment of her conception, possessed sanctifying grace, even the fullness of grace. If God Himself had announced from the beginning of the world that Mary was destined "to crush the head" of the infernal serpent, she could not have begun her life by being wounded herself by his poisonous bite and subject to his power.

Jesus cannot endure sin in any form, and so could not have dwelt in a womb tainted by original sin.

So why do we have this ?:

Luke 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Why did Mary go up for purification from her sins? You guys have refused to come up to the reality of the truth. You are just shying away and your heart is telling you so but you would rather defend fallacies!

See more:

Leviticus 12:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. Your holy mary was declared unclean by the same Word of God. She herself knew it and therefore had to go and purify herself.

They just push things down your throat and you swallow it? The bible declares that all have sinned (including Mary - Original Sin) (Rms. 3:23) and you come up with your own version of the bible (with the devil deceiving) saying that logically, Jesus could not have dwelt in anything unclean and could not have come through someone who had original sin. I know very soon one of you will come up and say your popes too never had original sin or Peter too never had!

soldee: Queen assumed into Heaven - Mary was taken body and soul into heaven at the end of her life. Death and corruption are a result of original sin; but by her Immaculate Conception our blessed Mary is preserved from original sin and its effects. By her Assumption God honored her body that was always the temple in which He dwelt by grace. It was a gate through which the Son of God, the Divine Word, passed to earth and became Man. It was fitting that her holy and virginal body which gave flesh and blood to the God of all sanctity, the Victor over death, should never experience the corruption of the grave.

A doctrine in demonolgy. Need i say more? Assume I am deply worried. Assume for God? You will agree with me that you are not bible believing set of people. Your own form of religion goes outside the bible because you believe the traditions of your church equates or even surpasses the bible! Little wonder you people don't read the bible because some body has told you that you cannot depend on the bible. Well done.

Oby1:
May God have mercy on you for all the lies that comes from you.
Remember to bear false accusation is a sin.

That's the problem. Someone is making an exposition that your priest would never want you to know and you garner all emotional garbs and dock it sin. You even call it false accusation! You seem not to know that before you call something false, you would have investigated it and find it wanting. Which of these have you done? My laughs!

Oby1: If you don't understand or don't want to understand anything from Catholics, i think is better to remain silent.

Nothing new. Im not surprised i thought you or any other catholic would tak the issues out and tear them apart with solid explanations. But i can now see that you are not well grounded in the faith you profess. You dont even know what Catholicsim is: you are only following the dictates of some priests without taking a sometime off to pause, think and reflect! You really are not exposed to anything are you? This might be because you are inside. You need to come out before you can have an objectiv view of things.

Oby1: We have come to stay and i'm very sorry that there is nothing you can do about it.

No need to be sorry. I actually did not intend doing anything about it but only talk about it and expose some deep deception that ravages catholicism. God is doing something about it already 'cos he wont allow someone like you to go too deep only to find out you can't turn back. Go and ask a nun about one book in her hand she would not like you to see : The Secret Rules of the Convent.

Try ordering it from Vatican if they will not summon you to face a panel.

Yesternight!
Seriously? Many years ago

amin

stingersmi:
don't get confused, but the issuse here it that, y do we decive ourselves wit the church,
y?

If you are not too sure, go to deeper life where they will teach you holiness and stop complaining.

cant remember! Clean food all the way!