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mayowa94:
What if you travel back to Nigeria and came back to the UK after few weeks which entry date will be used to calculate the 12months?

You have only one entry date, which us the 1st time you entered the UK, the entry stamp will be on your visa vignette, any other re-entry will be stamped on one of the pages of your passport.

Poanan:
Someone said he is looking for a care job or an immediate job to make ends meet and u brought up write up on skills and how irrelevant his education his. I don't understand ....

Maybe if you've taken out time to read the guys message you will understand.

The person asked in quote "So my question is, what form of trade or occupation can he pivot into before it's too late?"

There is no place the poster mentioned that he is looking for a carejob, maybe you should read before responding

Westves:
Hello, guys. Friend of mine recently relocated to the UK with his family. From the gory stories he's been feeding me, abroad ain't all that is propped up to be. Freezing temperatures, monthly rent of £600, comparative cost of living, tuition, catering singlehandedly for the family cuz his nursing wife doubles as a student, on top of that, has to raise the sponsorship fee

He hasn't been making much progress with finding caregiver jobs and his options are limited. Can't do construction under this weather. So my question is, what form of trade or occupation can he pivot into before it's too late? My guy is bleeding cash so we are kinda desperate here

I'm sure a lot of guys got easier landing so I'm looking forward to any helpful resource you guys can bless us with. He is a naija graduate, if that matters. Many thanks

Being a Naija Graduate or UK Graduate is irrelevant. Alot of Graduates are unskilled and quasi-literate/psuedo-literate.

People are different and have areas they can thrive in and it's important your friend identify areas he can thrive with some efforts.

I have met someone who did apprenticeship in Instrumentation and Control (I&C) he earns an astronomical amount, and currently works as an independent making roughly £20k per week for off-shore and £5-7k per week onshore. He doesn't have any higher education qualification and says that there is a huge shortage of talents in their field making them high demand.
His client includes both chemical plant, oil & gas sector and really any big production firm that requires instrumentation.

His apprenticeship to him 3years to complete and he is just 27years old

[quote author=fabulous2019 post=127239522][/quote]Nope, see attached. Mine is not Healthcare visa and also not on the shortage occupation list so the cost is more expensive.
My firm usually outsource the visa application to a 3rd party so the additional cost of 1.1k for professional services.

Hence I assume your total cost will be far less than my own.

fabulous2019:
Good day house, I was on a skilled worker visa but have been dismissed by my former employer, the company is asking me to pay 10,000£ for the COS, because I didn’t work 5 years with them, and they want to serve me court paper, please anyone know the kind of lawyer or knows a lawyer I can get in uk, I live in Swansea (wales) because they did not use up to 3000£ to get my COS, please I need any good lawyer in uk

Thanks

Also did they send a breakdown of the cost and how they arrived at the figure? If not request for one, you will need it. If they inflated the figure (which is illegal) you have a case against them.

fabulous2019:
Good day house, I was on a skilled worker visa but have been dismissed by my former employer, the company is asking me to pay 10,000£ for the COS, because I didn’t work 5 years with them, and they want to serve me court paper, please anyone know the kind of lawyer or knows a lawyer I can get in uk, I live in Swansea (wales) because they did not use up to 3000£ to get my COS, please I need any good lawyer in uk

Thanks

Was this stated in your contract? Did you signed any contract saying that you will pay the sum if you leave the company within a specified period?

My contract had a phrase that mentioned that I will pay 50% of my visa cost (see attached) if I leave the company within 2years of joining and immediately I resume they sent me the total cost of my visa and asked me to sign and return it. The total cost in my case was less than 3k

If you did not sign any such agreement then they don't have a case.

babajeje123:
Please can the dependant of a Tier 2 holder study full time without student visa and be able to work full time?

Yes

justwise:
Your friend can swtich back to Cybersecurity when he settles with full right to live and work in this country, nobody pins him down to health care work for ever. He is thinking outside the box which is what education gives you. You studied Cybersecurity and you applied for jobs with no positive outcome then what? You keep waiting until your visa expires?

"If you are not able to secure a job in your chosen field after graduation and after 2 additional years on PSW, the chances that you will be able to secure a job after 5years of working in care drops by 80%"
~heroshark, Nairaland 2023"

I don't have any data to prove the above so I have to credit it to myself.

The reason for my argument is that the easiest way for people to into their preferred career without relevant experience is through the graduate scheme. Most graduate route don't expect you to have experience so they put your through a rigorous assessment to make sure they are picking the right candidate and once you are in they will support you to grow.
After 5years in carejob you simple will not qualify for any graduate program or scheme, and you will not have relevant experience to compete for non-graduate roles.

The notion that companies don't sponsor is false, I applied to 3 jobs as a student and 2 of them offered sponsorship right from the start and even covered the visa fee. Some might say it's luck but whatever it is, it's proof that most big companies will sponsor you once they are convinced that you are a perfect fit for them.

I work in consulting and most people in my industry move from graduate to senior level in 4-7years grossly roughly over 100k+ in salary and bonuses.

Working in care for 5years means that you will lose valuable professional experience and career progression.

In my industry there is a huge rivalry b/w companies, such that they brag about poaching talents from their competitors (this is off the book though). A rival firm will gladly hire you and ×2 your salary and sponsor you.
After people working with competing firms, the next set of people that we fight to recruit is people with mid-senior level experience working in civil service and local council. This is because the public sector constituent our major client portfolio, so having staffs that understand how clients think and behave is a bonus.

So for the students reading this, please do your due diligence, it will definitely pay off.

profemebee:
sometimes i feel we just want to argue beer parlour gists with emotions..

How can one deny or find it hard to believe the truth that Canada is harder to get in than UK? how

Thank you!

The rate at which people attacked me and my comment shocked me. I underestimated how many nigerians despised uncomfortable truth.

Someone even accused me of jealousy and hatred.

ehizario2012:
People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.

What is CFA?

I assume it means Chartered Finance Analyst? It's not possible to get chartered in the UK by just taking courses and writing exams. You have to demonstrate certain competencies by submitting case studies of how you've demonstrated those competencies in your current role, which is usually gain from active employment and working in the relevant field.
I cannot say for a certain if this also applies to finance, but this applies to almost all professions I've come across in my current role.

It takes people who are employed full-time 3-5years on average to be able to meet all the required competencies to get chartered.

So the idea that someone who works in care without any recent experience in finance will be able to get chartered just be taking a course and writing an exam is hilarious.

justwise:
When you said the above you are implying that though those Nigerians who rushed to the Uk through health care or student visa are educated but its not enough to get Canadian visa....simply means they are not educated enough..

I can also argue that many Nigerian that migrated to the UK using the student visa route in the last 2years are not qualified for the UK student visa.

But then again people will attack me. But let's examine it without bias or prejudice.

The UK Student visa is point base. To qualify you need a total of 40points.
CAS = 30points
Proof of sufficient fund = 10points

Many Nigerians (majority in my uni and cohorts) used fraudulent means to obtain the last 10 points. So genuinely speaking they did not meet the criteria and if UKVI had discovered they would've been banned.

The influx of immigrants that the UK is complaining about is mainly from Indians (+subcontinent) and Nigerians and these are also the group that uses the most fraudulent means to secure visa ( Selling of COS and Fraudulent POF). This is the truth and we all know it. But if I talk am, everybody go tag me as enemy of progress.

I personally can not say this outside the community but as na we we dey here, make we tell ourselves the truth.

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justwise:
When you said the above you are implying that though those Nigerians who rushed to the Uk through health care or student visa are educated but its not enough to get Canadian visa....simply means they are not educated enough..

I added 4 criteria, not just education. Why did you leave the other 3 and chose to run with just the education part? Why did you ignore the fact that I said many and not all [/b]and [b]not majority

Are you telling me that all Nigerians that migrated using the care visa or education in the last 2years have atleast a Masters degree, 3-5+years professional experience in a lucrative field, and under 35years ?

Again, I did not generalize it, you are making it sound like I said all Nigerians.

toughest007:
How did you arrive at 80%?!!! How many Nigerians have you actually scruitinized to reach the conclusion that they are not educated enough to secure Canada PR? You are clearly just quoting figures to suit your very poor defence. Yes, quickly go and Google something and reply me.

You don't even debate like someone that is educated enough to even get the Canadian PR. That you (and people around you) couldn't get it doesn't entirely mean those that came into the UK via the care visa can't.

People have reasons why they choose the UK or other countries they migrate to. Personally, I never considered Canada for migration cos of the extreme cold, their codes, their unit of measurement, doesn't fit well into my long term goals etc.

Again you just distorted my point.

The figure is out there, homeoffice released the number of people coming into the UK on skilled worker visa, and stated the percentage that arrived on healthcare visa. They also stated the number of Nigerians and Indian. So simply statistics will tell you this.

Secondly, I did not say that they are not educated enough. I said have the how many Nigerians have the Education, Skillset, Experience and Age . If you have looked into the Canada PR you will know that these four things are what matters.

By Education I don't mean having a bachelor's degree, you need a masters degree to score higher point, you need good amount of professional experience, you also need to be very young because age is also considered.

Now the question is Do you thing that Nigerians in that migrated to the UK have those ? I know some came here for a second masters but that aside.

You simple ignored all my points and chose to distort it to suit your narrative. How did you come about not educated enough which I never used
anywhere in my argument.?


PS: I have repeatedly said it before, I did not generalize, I did not even use the word majority of Nigerians, I only said many. Which means a good number, not all, not majority.

If you believe that all Nigerians that moved to the UK are over qualified and can easily get Canada PR, then you are not being entirely honest to yourself.

florixi:
Your point does not still hold water. Whatever means people use to japa is no one's business. Some people migrated via sea and sought asylum when they arrived, and most of them are doing very well afterward.

You need to take heart and take a painkiller because more people are coming into the UK, no be you get uk. If you think they are low-skilled people, then you can relocate to another planet because their employers are not complaining. It is only bad belle people like you who are in severe pain because you don't want to see any other person succeed except yourself.

That your cousin wey you dey oppress for naija, wey you refused to show d way , is coming this December! O yah vex again!!

You are turning this into a personal attack, which is very bad.
I came into the UK last year, so I am even part of the new cohort and wave of immigrant that I'm referring to. I am not even successful yet talk more of not wanting others to succeed.

justwise:
Again you are wrong, The UK uses PBS and Canada does not, so its quicker to get the UK visa because they use box ticking system.

The UK visa processing is a lot quicker compared to Canada that takes months and months when you apply from Nigeria.

Its even cheaper to get Canadian visa than what people pay to get the UK visa.

If you think that many Nigerians that come to the UK through health care visa does not have the education or skills then you hang around the uneducated ones.

You just reemphasized everything I said about. It's cheaper to go to Canada yet they chose UK that's more expensive without a direct PR option why?

It take more time to process Canada visa, which is why I said those that rushed to the UK. The emphasis on rush.

florixi:
Just imagine that line from an immigrant! Some of you will be worse than Suella if you manage to get to the decision-making table in the UK or whatever country you migrated to. I have said here before that some people are not just happy to see their fellow Nigerians migrating like them because they want to keep on oppressing those they left at home. but God passed them. Immigration issue na season film: when one series ends, another go start so no cause for alarm.

So an immigrant shouldn't have an opinion? Why are you all pretending ? Most people paying £10k to get a care COS from Nigeria, if they qualify for Canada PR they won't be paying such outrageous sum to come to the UK to do care.
Over 80% of Nigerians that migrated from Nigeria to the UK on skilled worker visa came through the heathcare worker route.

So when I said many Nigerian that rushed to the UK won't qualify for Canadian student or PR route I stand by it 100%.

I've met many that have been denied either Canada or US student visa b4 trying the UK.

Stop the hypocrisy and check the Nigerians among you, mostly those working in care sector, how many of them have the education (not including any MSc obtained in the UK) , skillset, experience and age to secure the top CRS point for Canada PR route ?

I know we have some very brilliant and talented Nigerians in the UK, so I try not to generalize.

The keywords in my post is Many not majority and rush (you can't rush to Canada, it's simply impossible).

justwise:
That is not true.

80% of Nigerian students in my cohort did fake proof of fund and were struggling to pay tuition, most of them are married with kids and average age above 30years old. There is no way many of them will be granted Canadian student visa unless they are on scholarship or going for PhD.

How is it not true ?

PS: I didn't say all, I said many.

Goke7:
The issue with the Uk's immigration system is that it is skewed toward reducing the number of people who want to settle down permanently and you can't blame people for looking elsewhere when all the music of bringing down net migration begins to play. As it stands today only the Uk among the Western nations requires you to be on a skilled worker visa for 5 years before thinking of becoming a permanent resident.

My main issue has always been why tie people's visas to where they work? Apart from the Global Talent visas what other visas are available for people especially for highly skilled people to obtain and be able to work? The other visa they call high visa or whatever it is called for those who graduated from top 100 universities and it doesn't make sense as folks still need to get a sponsored skilled visa to continue to work in the UK. With all the noise, it's still the healthcare sector that grants more work visas which is for care workers. it's obvious many UK companies do not sponsor skilled worker visas.

People need to plan and move ahead with their lives and if they see the Uk as becoming hostile, they will move elsewhere which is what the UK actually wants to achieve its goal of bringing down net migration.

Only the UK? Have you check Switzerland immigration policy? Or you just limited your analysis to UK, US Canada and then conclude?

hustla:
LOL

We arent discussing approval rates. Btw, Canada also lets in lots of people via the PR route and it has been on since forever and theyre still looking for ways to make things right for legal immigrants.

Also, for the approval rate UK, do they not collect money? Did they not increase IHS rates too? School fees also went up twice for my school and I heard they have removed discount they usually give and instalmental payments

Imagine boosting an economy with £42bn in 1 year and all you get na complain every 7 days

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/may/16/international-students-boosted-uk-economy-by-42bn-in-20212-study

Its their country tbf but mehn ...

Canada let in the brightest and most talented people through the PR scheme, many of the people that rushed to the UK will not even be eligible to enter Canada either through student route or the PR route you mentioned.

I don't know why this argument always boils down to comparing UK immigration policies with other countries like Canada and Australia. Each country is unique and will do what they think it's best for their country. If you don't like it then move to Canada or Australia (But then again most people can't because they won't meet the criteria)

The truth remains that why the UK had good intentions but people and immigrants alike abused the system which then makes it unsustainable and they have to restrategise.

People selling COS
People having fake marriages to bring in dependents
Student coming to UK without any means of paying tuition
People rushing on Student visa without any intention of studying and abandoning their studies for carework

These are the issues that is causing the problems.

hustla:
Interesting but you have to put it all together and see where I am coming from as this is not the first time I am speaking about it.

Can you tell me the immigration strategy for the UK? Will it be the same in 5 yrs? Since I have been here, they have changed policies for the worse at least twice. I know a PSW ban in the future isn't off the table because it is their way. Milk the cow and then discard it, per usual

From where I stand and as of now, for students, it looks like they're out to milk us sotey and yet, complains and complains. I can't say its not better than being in Nigeria, it is

If you check what each country has to offer students, the UK comfortably has the worst package and yet, the highest fees to pay for everything. PSW in AU was increased from 3 to 5 yrs, at a cost of about AUD1,800, less than the reported £2,900 for students from next year. Canada's PSW also is about £240

AU and Canada realised students would be battling the effects of this global turmoil you spoke about and asked that students can work more than 20 hrs/ week. UK did not offer or even think of it, instead, Unis increased school fees

I could go on and on but their current strategy exploits students and the least they can do is to stop crying about students every 7 market days as if they do not contribute shingbain to the economy. They want money but they dont want an increase in population, no be juju be that?

There is no perfect country or system but at least some stability is needed

What is the student visa approval rate for Canada and Australia compare that to the UK.

Canada and Australia has some of the most strict and unfair visa approval & denial rate, so they take in just a few students, whereas UK has an almost 98% student visa approval rate.

dave0450:
Please is there anyone or that know someone that give out loan in Manchester, I need like £2k , abeg if anyone know kindly link me up

All banks give out loan or arranged overdraft

ehizario2012:
Hi friends.
Naturally I'm someone who believes in hard work and stretching one's self to the limit to get things done.
However, I think some of our people coming into the UK recently need to slow down a little!
Too many sudden deaths recently, three that I am aware of.
One student slumped last week in Scotland, he was doing two jobs plus make shift kabu kabu. Another just placed his head on a table for a short nap and never woke up, he was doing nights in a warehouse and support work on day shifts. The third slumped on a shop floor in a warehouse...
The bills can wait please, everybody has a limit. All these run run is taking it's toll on the body, built up stress can be deadly!

This is not hardwork, packing shifts front and back is not hardwork, it's just greed and taking the easy way out.
As immigrants, our goal shouldn't be to increase the number of hours we work, rather to increase the amount we earn per hour.

Hardwork is doing an indepth personal reflection and mapping out key personal and professional development steps and religiously pursue it. Making yourself more valuable.
That is the hardwork, unfortunately many people try it and give up the next seconds after hitting one or two brick walls and will gladly stick to doing a 60hours shift every week on minimum wage.

We own it to both ourselves, our partner and our kids,

Raalsalghul:
"Bank Manager sues Metropolitan Police....."

Why add the color/ethnic group?

Or am I missing something too?

I don't think there is anything wrong with it. You can not talk of racism without adding the race of the victim. If not how do you now know it's racist in the 1st place ?

toughest007:
...and who told you people ain't making plans to own their homes and become LLs of several other properties, not just one?! There is a way to subtly put certain things than just always blurting out rent money is dead money everytime.

You think it's fair to classify gambling and olosho monies as entertainment monies and call the other one dead money, right? Implying someone saying healthcare jobs are useless jobs is also kinda reasonable.

That your last sentence eh!
The way you always use humour to kill a serious talk is alarming! This caused a guy here a while back to be seriously pissed at you. I read the brouhaha and laughed all through.

Yes, if anybody says healthcare jobs is useless the person is reasonable. Reasonable don't always have to be when people conform to your narrative.
Healthcare job can be a useless job for someone, and a life saver for another, it doesn't make any of them wrong for voicing out their stance or opinion.

I for one is part of the category of people who believe Care job is poor and unbefitting and will never consider it even as a last resort, but it's doesn't mean that there is no dignity in labour and that people that do care job don't deserve respect.

It's like Okada riders in Nigeria, we all hold the opinion that Okada riding is not the best job and won't hope for our children to end up as Okada riders, but that doesn't mean there is no dignity is labor (even when that labor is Okada or care job or cleaners).

In the same manner even those in care wouldn't want their children to end up in the sector as healthcare assistants.

Some of you will insult and treat Okada riders, bus conductor, and cleaners in Nigeria and see them failures. But because you moved to the UK and see yourself working as a cleaner you automatically want everyone to not criticise the job.

There is dignity in honest labour, irrespective of the country of the stated Job.

koonbey:
One. Not combined.

https://www.gov.uk/30-hours-free-childcare

'If you or your partner have an expected ‘adjusted net income’ over £100,000 in the current tax year, you will not be eligible.'

Alot of my senior colleagues do salary sacrifice of £15K-£30k just so they could benefit from this childcare thing and also to avoid paying the higher tax band.

I hope say one day I go fit relate to their struggles 😅

kwakudtraveller:
I got a question and this is just out of curiosity as I no be student and I’m not trying to break any laws. All these Outside IR35 jobs that I see. They only pay to companies, so does that mean that a student limited to 20hours can still do them since payment will be made to a company’s account and not their account. Or will the company’s name have to be under the name of the person doing the job? Curiosity wan kee me. Who get the answer to this question

You need to register a company, students are not allowed to register a business

LORETA:
Good evening guys,
Please my dependant visa expires 15th january,while my wife has renewed her visa for 3 years till october 2026
Please which link can I use to apply to extend my dependant visa.
What proof of funds is needed for this.
Thanks

You don't need proof of fund, if you've lived in the UK for upto a year

giselle237:
if u took a picture of the special delivery envelope then the tracking number is on it. Unfortunately the current waiting times for delivery are almost at 6 months.

Can people who have applied and received their passport within 2months comment on the Number of Pages and duration they applied for?

I applied for 64pages, 10years and got my passport in about 5weeks (Bio on 17th July, passport delivered on 23rd August).

I wanted to confirm if the no of pages and duration affects the processing speed. Also If you applied for the same 10years, 64 pages and yet to receive your passport after 2months also comment.

kode12:
What’s your source? I’d like to see the official guidance that says cutting and returning an invalid BRP is invalid if you don’t mind.

What are you trying to say? There in place the poster mentioned that "cutting and returning an invalid BRP is invalid" so I'm not sure where you get that from?

Also, it is mandatory to cut and return your invalid BRB, infact the email from UKVI made it clear and even goes further to state that failing to do so will amount to a fine of £1k

skayT:
Hello Everyone!!

I urgently need your advice.

I'm currently in the UK on a dependant visa(tier 4), as my spouse is currently studying in the UK also.

I recently got two different job offers.

1) IT engineering job

2) Health care assistant job.

Please which one should I choose?

PS: I have got like 5 yrs experience in the IT field from Nigeria. But folks are saying I should go for the health care assistant job cuz of higher possibility of sponsorship from the health care assistant job.

Although the IT company didn't say anything about sponsorship. But upon researching on the gov.uk site, I found out that they are actually on the list of skill worker(A rating) sponsors.

Cast and bind the thought of HCA role.

CoronaVirusPro:
For a family earning 5k per month, break down their expense and tell me how much they are saving to be able to net NGN20,000,000 monthly.

I did not say they will save 20m monthly. A family earning $5k a month can easily save %20-30 of their income. That's $1000-1500 per month. You can convert it to naira.

But that's not the issue, the issue is quality of life, they can own a house on mortgage and pay it off over a 15-25year period (just buy paying the same amount they pay in rent or even lesser). While many people in Nigeria has been paying rent for over 30years without the possibility of ever owning the house.

CoronaVirusPro:
Bad comparison!

The value you will get in Nigeria, is not same with that of Canada.

With 500k monthly in Nigeria, you are a king!

With $3000 monthly in Canada, you are still a pauper., but when you convert to Naira, you feel you are doing well.

Do you know how much rent, gas, groceries, phone and internet bills and not to mention the tax being sniffed out of you.


Your comparison is void. Value is different!

This is wrong! When you make statement like this it shows that you've never actually made much money in life.

Who told you that with 500k per month you are a king in Nigeria? With 500k in Nigeria you are just a regular Nigerian.
To buy a good Belgium car (2018 and above) will cost you and around 5-6million thats your 1year salary, so you will probably need to save for 3-4years to be able to afford it.

To earn 500k per month, you will need to be based in a city like Lagos, Abuja, PH, Warri or so and the average price to buy land and build a 3-4bedroom bungalow is atleast 20million, that's approximately your 4years salary, so you will need to save for atleast 10years to be able to afford it.

Totally that's 14years of savings to afford a Car and a House. How does that make you a king?

Someone based in Canada with a monthly income of $3000 will have a far better quality of life than you. He can pay all his bills and still save atleast 20% of his income, that's over 100% of your salary here in Nigeria already.

Another thing is that someone earning $3k per month in Canada is 100% certain that his wife will work and earn atleast $2k per month, which brings the total household income to $5k.

If you earn 500k in Nigeria, there is no guarantee that your wife will get a job that pays even if it's 150k.

PS: My analysis is based solely on the salary and not taking any side hustle or business into consideration as both parties can leverage that as well