₦airaland Forum

For those saying privates in the Nigerian Army earn 13k a month and 2Lt end 37k, its not true. Right now a private in the Armed forces(Army, Navy & Air force) earns about 31k a month and a 2Lt earns about. Some junior officers in the military especially those who are pilots in the airforce more than some people who work in banks as contract staff (HND holders) presently. Some of them earn as high as 150k in a month; and remember no NEPA and water bills to settle; and no house rent to pay to any landlord.

The pay is a bit reasonable in the armed forces now.

gbolahan85:
Do you know the brainbox behind the success of Guaranty Trust Bank is an HND holder to date. For your information ,his name is FOLA ADEOLA.It is in your mind that you stay limited,free yourself of the thought of Discrimination and you will be surprised at the result.my advise is that you acquire more relevant skills and make impact through the numerous professional bodies. If our society gives us (HND HOLDERS) no opportunity to show what we can deliver,then we must make them yearn for our services by being relevant in todays career world.

And then the same GT Bank does not believe in HND holders, and employ them as contract staff and not as regular staff of GT Bank. Why is like that please if HND made the bank to be what it is today??

Ajike:
ishmael, i really like your thinking, may be that is really where the hatred come from

My brother that's the truth o. Nigerians like big big words. Degree looks big while Diploma looks small.

Look at the reforms Ghana just did. All Polytechnics are to award BTech Degrees. This is what we call educational reforms not the nonsense OBJ, his Education Minister and others did last year that eventually got cancelled by Yar'adua. Let Nigeria follow the foot steps of Ghana. See Ghana wey Nigeria dey look down at, their policy makers reason better than our own here in Nigeria.

@Hnd-holder

This is what we call educational reforms, not the rubbish OBJ and his education minister did in Nigeria last year that eventually got cancelled by Yar'adua.

Let Nigeria do the same thing as Ghana. Why is it taking Nigeria a whole century to do such a thing?? After Nigerians dem go dey say Nigeria better pass Ghana, say Nigerians get sense pass Ghanaians. Na now i know say Ghana get sense pass Nigeria. Na wa o.

Let govt change the meaning of the "" in HND from Higher National Diploma to Higher National Degree; may be that one fit help holders of HND. I think it's the word Diploma that the society hate.

Will nigeria as a developing country ever cross the thin line between developing and developed and enter developed fully without polytechnics?? Look at Taiwan, Malaysia and other countries, they are doing better.

The "" in HND should be changed from Diploma to Degree. Instead of Higher National Diploma it should be Higher National Degree; may be that could help, and make people respect products of nigerian polytechnics.

Just a suggestion sha.

onikoyi_a:
yah ishmael you really spoke well,but you know what we are very unfortunate to find ourself in this type of country so call nigeria thus lets kip praying i believe prayer change things,it change people and people change things,it is well amen,cheers

Thanx. God will help all of us whether HND or Bsc. Abi God dey discriminate?

richness:
it was unfortunate that i was not part of the debate and when it died down but permit to bring up again the issue.

i was particularly appalled by the responses from hnd-holder who said hnd in nigreria is equivalent to some postgraduate in some other countries, i will like him to supply proof. also he claims a phd, did he get that from the polythenic.

he even said a hnd holder cannot become a rector in a polythenic; imagine a system discriminating against itself and you dare say it is better than the university it embraces.

please don't decieve yourself does making ddecisions for or against the hnd are all university graduate. the hnd themselves has no say in this matter

my proposal is that hnd should be scrapped but nd retained. hnd has taken us no where and it will be relevant in the future educational system. you can be sure of that because those making the decision are not hnd holders.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Well said my brother. Those heading polytechnics, those making decision for/against polytechnics in nigeria are all university graduates. Until people who passed thru polytechnics (holders of HND certificate) start taking decision for polytechnics there wont be any significant progress in the polytechnics.

@akinalabi
That is where d discrimination starts from (home), before it extends to the larger society.

ayoade117:
bro, if what is in my mind can be executed it will realy assist us. if feel polytechnic education should be abolished. what joy do you have going to school for four years ,go for your nysc and come bace home only to hear that you did not go to school!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    who is to blame? i guess the government.

My guy i'm in the same school of thought with you. It should be abolished so that people wont go and waste their time there, only for them to be rejected by employers at the end of the day. The one that pains me most is the government; some government parastatals discriminate HND holders. What reason(s) have they given for not wanting HND to be given the same treatment as Bsc?? No body has ever come out to say any thing meaningful.

ibadan poly, yabatech, imt enugu, kaduna poly, bida poly, kwara poly all do HND in statistics. Uni ilorin, uni ibadan, uni lag, ife, UNN, unical also do Bsc in Statistics. Unilag call theirs Maths+statistics. Apply for DE and go for Bsc.

did your name come out? beware of hnd sha.

Dont do HND o. Pls do Bsc and go 4 ur Msc.

@Ajike
if you are in doubt try and carryout a survey you will come to agree with me that most parents who have children in uni and poly tend to respect those in the uni more; and in terms of pocket money, project money and all that, the child in the university gets more than the one in poly. It may sound naive, but i tell you it's the truth.

bunna:
WHAT IF SOMEONE DOES OND FOR 2YEARS AND TAKE DIRECT ENTRY TO THE UNIVERSITY FOR B.SC DEGREE
WONT THAT BE A GREAT IDEA OR IS TAT NOT POSSIBLE

Better. It's a good idea. After ur ND apply for DE and go to the university where u will graduate with a Bsc; thats all.

I tell you don't let anyone decieve you to go close to HND. Even in our houses parents and neighbours discriminate against HND holders; they give more pocket money and respect to kids in the universities than those in the polytechnics.

when u are in the polytechnic they console u by telling you that hnd is equivalent to a degree, not knowing that even the government parastatals and ministries hate hnd certificate; they discriminate hnd holders, they even started it before the private sector.

My own advice is that people should stop patronizing polytechnics; rather go to a university and get a Degree. HND is as good if not better than some of the Degrees, but who cares about that?? since nobody cares why not go and get a Degree and save yourself some stress. HND is a stressful qualification in Nigeria.

But i thought the don't offer Accountancy in the universities but Accounting?? How comes Uniben gave u Accountancy and not Accounting?? YabaTech offers Accountancy, while ABU Zaria offers Accounting from what i know.

Polytechnics in Nigeria are looked at the same way we look at Technical & commercial colleges today. Universities are looked at the same way we look at conventional secondary schools that offer pure secondary and comprehensive type of education.
Ask yourself ,do people like or want their kids to go to Technical/commercial colleges??

Wether HND or Bsc the most important thing is to be able to impress people by being innovative.

ariblaze:
@pain

which set were you ?

Fauziyyu Ma'aji was my mate and i think the boy Pm

Fauziyyu Ma'aji was actually the Provost Marshal of his set. You guys passed out in 1996 abi?? Do you know Ezekiel Aluko?? i think he's a year your senior.

how can alpha jet of all jets be deadly?? It's used for advance fighter pilot training and as a light bomber. if you call alpha jet dealy what would you call F-16/17??

segoye2:
please don't join the army one can still get a good job some day and some how.

Why do you hate the Nigerian Army with the great passion? They are the best and well organized military sect we have in our country today. They are the best we could ever count on. I love to be one of them my dear. Next time you hate, give reasons for your hate or else, keep quiet in such public place!

Segoye2
Clapham Common,
Unite Kingdom

Wetin you dey do for UK?? Come to Nigeria and join the Army as an other rank and see if life no go tire you.

@Pilot955, Which company where u in? When did u pass out? Na wa o. So Exboys are on this forum. What regular intake were u in ACA? I'm sure You met Kuponiyi, Oraeki, etc I heard they are in 301FTS Kaduna. Well I hope say I never blow your cover sorry O !

@pain

Hey, so you know Seun kuponiyi and Emeka Oraeki?? They are my friends; they are in 301 FTS now for Transport pilot flying. What about Suleiman idris? Do you know him? What about Fauziyyu Ma'aji? You know him too? They are all ex-boys in the NAF.

ChiefS:
Hi Ishmael between NOUN and HND which do you think preferable?

NOUN awards Bsc, so go to NOUN.

@HND-holder
HND holders are treated as outcasts in Nigeria. Even Government paratatals and ministries discriminate against holders of HND certificate. Companies and corporate organisations see HND holders as the best materials for contract jobs. They are employed to do the same work together with holders of BSc certificates, but their own terms of employment are always different, usually low pay and no good benefits compared to employees with BSc. But the funny thing is that they do the same job in the same office; but they are seen as the best materials for contract jobs.

my brother, fashi thar HND thing and go for Bsc. Why worry ur self to get HND form?? Buy DE form and go to the university and do Bsc, that's my own advice.

henrijin:
this disparity between the bsc and hnd holders really pains me because the hnd holders are actually better than their bsc counterparts.actually,the polytecnics were established to produce middle-level labour.this middle-level labour as i had heard comprises of the nd holders.so,what the difference since hnd is higher than this middle-level management.if u look at this critically,you will see that before you get an hnd, you must have done a compulsory one-year work experience.with that experience,the hnd is better than the bsc.for me,i hold a hnd in accounting and w]ould not do any bsc programme but would rather go professional.i suggest the govt should take a drastic step if the nation is to develop its technology.

That's what they always say that poly graduates are better than uni graduates; but why is it that uni graduates are preferred to poly graduates?? That's the question i' ve been asking.

oloksman1:
ismael
lekso ya too sii teashing

that is to say, if you teach, you don't seem to improve(academically and otherwise) but if you lecture, you are posed to young intellects i mean the jambites, undergraduates, your colleagues (that would bring new idea,challenges, alternative solutions,problems etc)then tell me how you wont develop and improve.
besides , young and ambitious lecturers step up ,polish themselves and before you know it,
they are into MTN,Celtel and glo companies probably travel overseas to acquire more.

mio wa argue BOBO yii jare ,ishe ni KOKO

ko soji are ee, ABI THIRD CLASS LO GBE JADE NII?

NO HARD FEELINGS O JAREE"

i hear you!! Ore mi, moti gbo. mistake lose; mi'oni 3rd class. Olorun ma'je.

Teachers and lecturers do the same job jo. Or do lecturers preach while Teachers teach??

oloksman1:
NOW,ismael said we are good for teaching alone
i quite disagree because
we lecture and most of us acquire more to worth travelling out to market our values (see yung lecturers in your univs)

Now what is the difference in the job of a teacher and a lecturer?? No be teach all of them dey teach?? I hear you;Lecture ko, Tutor ni.