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Thats why i said small. I want to start on a small scale. What and what can i do or buy with the 250k to start the biz? What are the most important things to get first??

Molasco, wetin you dey talk? What do you mean by entrance exam and entry requirements? What do you mean by the lecturers qualifications?? Pally when i was doing my HND all the lecturers had a minimum of Msc; some of them were Phd holders. Find out from NBTE if you dont know, all HND courses must be handled by lecturers with post graduate qualifications, else the HND course will be disaccredited. Abi you think say polytechnics no get Phd holders wey dey lecture??

How much do i need to start a small computer parts & accessories business in nigeria?? Will 250k be enough to start??

Yes, i still program with QBASIC, althoughi use VB most of the time. It's interesting.

Kitaun, whats up? How u dey na? Whether HND or Bsc; the thing be say our country is bad economically and technologically. Where the Bsc and HND holders for nigeria dey,wey people with vocational and craft certificates for other countries dey build their own country with their technical skills?? Nigeria sef no even get technical schools again sef. My uncle joined NNPC in 1982 as a technician after leaving technical college with his City&Guilds, federal craft and trade test certificates. And they did well.Today who born you make you enter NNPC with that kind certificate?? No encouragement for technical & vocational education in nigeria lailai.

Nunu, i'm fine o. I wonder why there is disparity btw HND and Bsc?? To me it doesnt make any logical sense. Even those that encourage it cannot give you any logical reason why they do it if you ask them.

Nunu, how u dey? Pepe i want you to check Daily trust newspaper today, you will see FUT minna admission requirements for Remedial (Pre-Degree) Program. It is the same 3 credits you said about polytechnics that they require. Let me ask you, is it the no of credits you used in going in that determines the knowledge and skills you gather? Does it have any influence on the grade you pass out or graduate with? Some people go in with 9 distinctions and yet they graduate with 3rd class while some go in with just 3 credits and graduate with 2.1. So at the end of the day who is better??

Obtain the form for him. Its N2500= But he should have atleast a pass in english oo. After some university pple go dey make noise say na only poly dey admit pple with 3 o'level credits.

Check Daily Trust Newspaper today 14/08/2006 you will see Admission requirements into Remedial program at FUT minna. 3 o' level credits. After some idiots will be saying that people go into polytechnics with only 3 credits. Why is the university demanding for 3 credits now??

na wa oo, so even in relationships and marraiges there is discrimination against HND holders??

yes o, some HND holders are actually the cause of this whole nonsense.

God save you say you no go zenith, you for regret. Eco pays better and they are well and better organised than zenith. Zenith na dagbo people full there, no let anybody decieve you oo.

The country believes that it is only Bsc holders that are relevant. Help me ask them what good Bsc holders have done to the economy of nigeria? Yes they have tried; at least they are responsible for all the problems of nigeria; under-development, unemployment, cultism, exam-malpractice etc. Name them!!

My dear no regret why you go for HND oo. Dont worry soonest things will change and you will have every reason to laugh. Its unfortunate that HND holders are given little or no recognition in nigeria, but the truth is that polytechnic education is needed to move nigeria forward whether they like it or not. Have you ever wondered why nigeria at 45 is still behind technologically and economically? The obvious reason is our government and policy makers have failed to give attention to technical and technological education which is what any nation needs to develop technologically and economically. Dont worry the battle will soon be over and the war will be won. Already OBJ have removed the ceiling placed on HND holders in the civil service. The problem now is the private sector. Cheers!!!

What does OBJ know about computers that he is launching for God's sake? The guy is only trying to make name b4 he leaves ASO rock. Let him try and settle the issue of nigerians owning their personal houses first and not personal computers. After all PC is a secondary if not a tertiary need to nigerians who are hungry. I beg make somebody advice that old man to comot him hand for wetin him no know about. Computer for all ko!! House for all ni!!.

Davidylan, thanx 4 what you just said now that you dont have any problems with HND holders. I know you believe that some of us that attended polytechnics are even better than some people with Bsc's. Yes, polytechnics were established to train middle-level man power for the economy at the initio, which is the National Diploma (ND). Much later government introduced the HND to enable polytechnics produce high-level manpower and professionals in Technical fields. Although government did not do what it was suppose to do to make the HND attractive, but the fact remains that they equally churn out good graduates. My own question is that, do you see it as right and logical for employers to discriminate against HND holders by not allowing them take part in any job aptitude test or interview? If employers want to reduce the number of applicants applying for just one vacancy they can as well use oral and practical tests to get the right person for the job. Using qualification alone does not guarantee them getting the right applicants for the job. Don't you see it as better and more logical to weed out unwanted applicants using oral and practical tests??

Pepe, is it what you go in with or the skills and knowledge that you acquire and and come out with that makes you a competent graduate? Tell us now. Agreed, people go into the polytechnics with 3 credits to do pre-ND; so also is the university. I know of people who went into the university thru Remedials and pre-Degree programs with as low as 3 credits. So what is the difference??

At which level? if it is O'level find out from WAEC. But you need a case study oo. else the thing will be too large for you to analyse.

We dont want polytechnics to be closed down oo, we want government to allow them to start running Masters and Phd programs; after all some polytechnics have the lecturers and equipments to run such programs more than some universities that are already running them. If you care to know, some lecturers in dept of accountancy and bus admin in some polytechnics (Kadpoly, YabaTech, IMT, Fedpoly bauchi) are part time lecturers in some universities (ABU, Unilag/LASU, ESUT, ATBU) where they lecture MSc and MBA students.

Yes oo, we see the world from tinted HND glasses just as you see it from tinted Bsc glasses. Thank you.

The problem is that even government itself does not know the relevance of mathematics and statistics in nigeria.Private companies and individuals too care less about mathematics in nigeria. People just do things in their own way in nigeria whether good or bad e no concern dem. Manufacturers will manufacture sub-standard products and sell dem to consumers and nothing will happen. This products would ve been of standard if mathematicians and statisticians were employed to handle the process/product control aspects of production which involves using a lot of mathematical/statistical techniques. Government sef no dey even use figures to plan, thats why the distribution of money to states and local govts is uneven and unbalanced. But check out oyibo people, if you be mathematician or statistician or operations research analyst you be hotcake.

Mathematics no dey pay for nigeria at all.

Better take corrections.

Pally, read and understand befor you make any comments. If na exam you sef don fail be that, and na you dey say some people no fit pass aptitude test. I wonder if you sef fit pass the test. I did not compare Bill gates with HND holders. I tried to let you know that it is not by virtue of qualification that you become better and intelligent than others. I said Bill Gates does not have more than High school cert yet he has done what the so-called graduates were unable to do. So because banks must look for a way to reduce the number of graduates applying for their jobs HND holders should be the worst affected. They are not even allowed to submit their CV's not to talk of writing the test. To you is it logical? Why not allow them write the test and fail before driving them away?? Whether you like it or not i will still say it here that the HND holders should be allowed to compete favorably with the Bsc holders in terms of looking 4 jobs in Nigeria as some HND holders are even better than Bsc holders.

Ayotunde, if you are sure that your HND was as good as a Bsc why then did you go back to repeat (i prefer using this word) doing what you have in hand already? Why did you not continue to get a masters Degree. I have a friend that has a Phd now, and he started from ND - HND- PGD - Msc and now Phd. Please learn from him. And for your information he is a Lecturer in Mathematics Department, ABU zaria - Nigeria. What are we talking about?? Come out rightly and tell us where you belong. You cannot be serving God and satan at the same time.

Davidylan, what course did you read in school? Is it medicine, vet. medicine or pharmacy? I want you to know that apart from human medicine, pharmacy and vet medicine that polytechnics dont offer, i can bet it with you that the polytechnics teach and train better than the universities. Accountancy(Poly) has been able to prove itself better than accounting(Uni) by the number of accountancy(HND) graduates that pass the ICAN exams with ease over the number of accounting(Bsc) graduates that enroll and pass same exams. Davidylan, whether you like it or not HND graduates are more technical than Bsc graduates in every field, you hear? No be grammer we want hear na person wey know the job and wey fit deliver you hear??. Simply because you get Bsc does not make you more intelligent than we HND holders. If you feel you are too intelligent because you ve a Bsc i can tell you that there are so many pple with qualifications less than HND that are even more intelligent and productive than you. Are you better than Bill Gates? And the guy no even get any qualification wey pass high school cert. Whether you employ HND holders in banks or not other companies will employ them and even pay them better than the peanuts banks pay after over-using you. Wetin you even sabi with your Bsc sef Bsc my foot!!!

i wonder oo, which one be d additional qualification?

Why you no advice Bsc holders to acquire additional certificates by going for further studies? Abi HND holders no read the same book with Bsc holders? Oyedemi by right everybody suppose get good job with his/her HND/Bsc certificate before thinking of going for further studies. Abi you think say Bsc holders read more than HND holders or know book pass HND holders? Bros, this is a war btw the rich and the poor, so lets stand up and fight it well.

HND must be made to be attractive to the society oo. Why is it that govt are still delaying the establishment of National polytechnics commissions?

In your own opinion, will you encourage people to go into reading any of the mathematical sciences? Because right now in nigeria people believe in courses like accounting, biz admin , economics, engineering, architecture etc. Why is it that the patronage for mathematics is very low? I believe nigerian firms dont really need mathematical scientists. What would these firms and companies be doing with mathematical scientists anyway?

that is it oo.

No mind dem jo. Na only noise dem sabi make.