₦airaland Forum

BlueRayDick:
You found yourself bleeding and the next thing you do is call your pastor

What happened to calling a doctor? What happened to visiting a teaching hospital? What happened to seeing a doctor that specializes in the woman body?

See what religion has done to us in Africa

That's what I don't get. The pastor merely repeated her own story to her.

khattab008:
Recently started reading again with a focus on self improvement/development books, as against my usual - novels, and it has been great. I plan to read as many books as I can this year.

Thanks for the reminder OP.

Both are good actually. SI/D books teach you how to develop a success mindset, while fiction teaches you about the human character while giving you depth when you don't even realise it.

BanevsJoker:
Why do people always say the road is not tarred, no pipe-borne water etc? Remind me the function of the Federal, State and Local Government, just sharing the nation's commonwealth? Building mansions in Daura and owning oil wells? Hold your government accountable and leave private individuals to enjoy the fruit of their labour.

Well, you're partly correct. In serious countries, you might see smaller cars and better roads because the government taxes you to build the roads.

Baselm:
Nzeogwu was not fighting a regional war like Ojukwu, even Northerners followed him to kill the Sardauna, he was loved within the rank and file of the army including the officers. He was fighting against the terrible government and he has successfully captured Northern Nigeria and even Northern top ranking officials have pledged their allegiances after he stated his cause. The coup was initially celebrated across Nigeria until Ironsi and co bleeped up. He already took control of Kaduna, including the newly formed Nigerian air force, so technically he had more military force than Ironsi had in the south.

Bolded is not true and Nzeogwu had no single soldier. Ok, he had six or so. I see you share Nzeogwu's delusions. His delusion was believing that since he was fighting a just cause, everyone would be on his side. I guess his background in intelligence gave him that arrogance all inteligence people have that they're free to do anything they like since they're fighting for the greater good. What he did not reckon with was the ethnic factor and the fact that his coup would end up being termed an "Ibo coup". He did not plot an Igbo coup but he carried out an Igbo coup - that's how it was seen. Nzeogwu was such a poor judge of human character he did not see how a coup carried out by officers almost entirely from the Igbo stock with victims mostly from the north and SW would be seen. And then he took control of Kaduna - which Kaduna? The coup was not welcome all over the country. What erupted in the north after the coup was seething rage - what with folks from the east bragging and singing that "Hausas are crying". Why do you think the pogroms happened? Read up on the matter. Hardly anything is true in your post - northern soldiers did not help Nzeogwu in his coup and none pledged allegiance to him. Being in Kaduna did not mean he had control of soldiers in Kaduna. You can't fight without soldiers.

Babacele:
Story. Story.

You dey mind Obiano. He pulled this one out of his backside thinking Shagari was some powerful and dominant president like Obasanjo was.

Baselm:
He has more chances of winning than Ojukwu did, yet Ojukwu engaged. Ure grossly underestimating Nzeogwu.

Ojukwu could raise an army because Easterners were filled with anger over the pogroms and felt the way to sort that was to establish their homeland as an independent country - they had a cause. Let's say you people are right that Nzeogwu was the Jack Bauer of the desert. Explain how he could have raised an army in the north.

Fineman87:
Yes. It is true that Ironsi negotiated to halt Nzeogwu's march to Lagos. That's why he could not execute them. But you underestimate Nzeogwu. He had total control of the North. That guy is super, do your research.

No, you overestimate him. Ironsi simply didn't want further bloodshed. That was his mistake - he thought he could stop bloodshed by letting people get away with murder. But Nzeogwu would not have won even if he had succeeded in raising an army in the north - which he could NOT have done.

Fineman87:
Bro, you don't know Kaduna Nzeogwu. He was also a northerner technically. Thats why he was buried in the north despite killing 'Sardauna'. He was in total control of the north and Ojukwu was in Kano, they would have fought Ironsi to standstill.

I don't agree with you. Yes, Nzeogwu's links with the north is a notorious fact. But if it came down to it, he killed the Sardauna. He was knaive to think he could get away with that and the Army would line up behind him and his coup.

Fash20:
I think the Government should find a way to regulate the birth rate or our population will grow out of control.

I guess they should. Nigerians "born" too much. I swear.

ezegenigbonine:
u call me a child, don't postrate and beg Wen u see my real face. so u better withdraw ur statement

I don't know your age. Just as you didn't know mine when you made the post I responded to. I'm not a child and I doubt you are. When you post, keep it civil. No need to ask people to talk to their father.

Baselm:
Only those who resisted arrest were murdered( Sardauna and Akintola), some were also murdered when the coup failed and Ademoyega and Ifeanjuwa were trying to escape , they wouldn't make it with those prisoners. You will hardly hear of any civilian casualty,even the likes of Fani Kayode were released, but u can't just release a military prisoner of war at a time u are volatile.

The punishment for resisting arrest is a bullet to the head - not handcuffs, scolpolamine, or anything like that? The Sardauna, Balewa, Akintola, Okotie-Eboh, Col Shodeinde, etc all resisted the soldiers?

Baselm:
There was no politics at play, it was just a rule of the Northern Oligarchy, Census was canceled and rigged, Western Nigeria was already on fire with Awolowo(opposition leader in the federal parliament) imprisoned. If they hadn't intervened, we would be in a far worse situation than we are now. I only wish they had succeeded.

Arabs and their Islamic revolutions is not to be used as an example. those guys are bigots. Jk. Rawlings kinda revolution is more apt.

The northern oligarchy became powerful because the NPC was ruling the country, right? Yet, the NPC was only able to form a government because the NCNC agreed to a coalition. Whose fault was it that the NCNC did not wrest sufficient concessions from their coalition partners such that a northernisation of national institutions was taking place under their nose?

We were not headed towards a civil war and the sort of corruption you had then was nothing compared to what you have now. And why the barbaric murders - why didn't they simply lock up the politicians?

When you advocate a revolution, you're TRUSTING those who will carry out the revolution to be any better or that the revolution will not be hijacked by people with a separate agenda like it happened in Iran. Goodluck with that. But you saw what military rule did to Nigeria. Ghana improved because Rawlings was sincere - he could have set the country on a part to improvement like he did without the killings. After all, Samuel Doe killed people in a similar fashion in Liberia and we know the result. You think the Arabs are less bigoted than us?

Baselm:
were they captured in the North?were they fugitives in the North? Who was in control of the Northern army?most of those soldiers don't know what to make of the alien situation, they simply do as they are told. if they are to make a choice between Nzeogwu and Ironsi, we know who will win. Nzeogwu ceremoniously left Kaduna for Lagos to form part of the unity government. Alas Ironsi wasn't a man of his words.

It won't necessarily have been a choice between Nzeogwu and Ironsi. Nzeogwu would have been knaive to think the northern rank and file would fight alongside him against northern officers getting him for killing the Sardauna.

winj3:
Ironsi was and is still cited by every military person of that generation as a COWARD (only IGBOs regard him as anything other than a coward)

Bolded is not true. He fit the definition of a coward in certain respects but you can't take away the fact that when the situation called for him to stand up for his officers and soldiers in Congo he did. I guess everyone has his strong point. But what makes Danjuma a non-coward and a better human being? Murdering his boss for ethnic vengeance?

winj3:
In Congo - All peacekeepers are usually cited for bravery in Congo, the m0ron is no different.

Ask why he was never cited for bravery in his own country, Nigeria!

I think the fact that Ironsi's actions also put my dad in danger means I don't need Danjuma to know how useless Ironsi was.

Ironsi's actions put the entire country in danger. I guess he was out of his depth as commander-in-chief - he was a professional soldier not a politician.

Ironsi actually carried out acts of bravery in Congo - he wasn't merely cited.

Baselm:
They killed the prime minister, Yes. but they have a leverage( the whole of Northern Nigeria which is bigger than southern Nigeria) and handed themselves over to Aguiyi, they weren't captured. They could have started a civil war at the expense of civilian lives which they have more resources and tactical heads to win than Ojukwu who did the same

You seriously believe Nzeogwu and co could have thrived in the north after killing the Sardauna who was considered a god by northern folk? No, they won't. If that was Ironsi's thinking, he erred. And sold out the country the way our leaders are doing today by releasing Boko Haram commanders and paying the terrorists millions of dollars. What you do is declare Nzeogwu and co wanted and send the troops after them like it was done with Dimka. They were in the north, but that did not mean that soldiers stationed in the north were with them.

ezegenigbonine:
Calm down and learn my boy.

You are a child. Your arrogance begets your ignorance - as is usually the case.

Baselm:
U might be a brave soldier and know nothing about governance,coupled with the fact he wasn't prepared for governance, he was just a reactionist who benefitted from the heroics of the revolutionists.

We need men like Nzeogwu, Ademoyega and Ifeanjuwa again to start another revolution in this country,but they must complete the revolution this time, not surrender to some opportunistic reactionists.

I agree with the bolded - he was a professional soldier, not an IT politician. As to your call for a revolution, be careful what you wish for. If you're wondering what I mean, take a pencil and write down every country that went through are violent revolution, including the Arab Spring and reflect on where it got them.

The problem was the first coup. The soldiers should have let the politicians commit their blunders and we would have emerged out of it. Maybe things won't have improved but they certainly won't have got as bad it turned out with the soldiers.

ezegenigbonine:
Ask your father or an elder of the history OK. I think they will explain to u well.
But let me educate u small.
After the killing of belewa, northerners called it Ibo cue because they called Kaduna nzeogwu who superhead the cue Ibo. And also because Ibo took over as the head of state, they were not happy so they plan a counter cue.

After the counter cue, Ojukwu been the governor of the eastern region ask for justice which they refused

And what's the point of your writing which restates what every six year old knows? I see you're the elder here - a very poorly-reasoning one though.

Baselm:
Were the likes of TY Danjuma who plotted the counter coup even imprisoned? They lived,died and some still lives freemen. Most of the 1966 coup plotters died in prison or during the civil war.

Ironsi promised that they would be pardoned and form part of his government as conditions for Nzeogwu's surrender of Northern Nigeria, he even had the air force as it was only in Northern Nigeria, he saved Nigeria from a civil war by surrendering because he would have won.

You. Don't. Give. The. Prime Minister's. Killers. A. Pardon.

You don't do it. Ironsi was knaive not to have seen what was coming. The fact that Danjuma got away with murdering the head of state and went on to prosper with his blood-soaked hands is a part of our tragedy as a nation.

ezegenigbonine:
My brother belewa and sardauna was executed not by Ibos but by soldiers who think they want to put things right. after all the late Kaduna nzeogwu is from old bendel, likewise others. But that's not the cause of the war because they were brought to justice by aguiyi ironsi. But y did gowon fail to brought ty danjuma to justice

And the other side will say Ironsi was executed by soldiers who thought they were getting justice for past crimes. The fact is that those who plotted the first coup were not swiftly tried and executed for murdering the prime minister.

77up:
Theophilus Yakubu Danjuma who killed Ironsi would later become Chief of Army Staff. He retired from the Army in 1979 and went on to become Chairman of Nestle Nigeria. He was appointed Defence minister during the regime of Obasunjo and is today a billionaire Oil mogul.


So Nigeria has been celebrating bastard since year immemorial.

Yes. We have a culture of letting murderers go.

winj3:
Aguiyi-Ironsi is a weak desk-clerk head of state whose mediocrity led to the civil war, his name and legacy (whatever that is) should be removed from the history of Nigeria!
He deserves no accolades or even mentions.

You've been reading Danjuma chapter 1 verse 1. Stop believing lies. Aguiyi-Ironsi was cited for bravery in Congo among other places.

ezegenigbonine:
After the murder, Ojukwu asked gowon to arrest ty danjuma to face law but he refused, that's how the war started. Ibos fought for revenge of aguiyi ironsi and fajuyi murder while Yoruba called Ibos fools.

Yorubas were responsible for Gowon's refusal to try Danjuma for the latter's crimes? Your analysis is simplistic - the Biafra secession and the war that followed it were not primarily about avenging Ironsi's murder.

Yankiss:
So, no troops from the West were guarding Govt house Ibadan? Apart from ADC, no presidential guards followed Ironsi to Ibadan. The two mean were picked up like rats from Govt house without resistance and slaughtered.

Nigeria wasn't always like it is today. You see those oyinbo countries where ministers take the bus? That's how we were. Recall the day Ibadan university students went to the Senate they simply matched in and beat up the senators - no police to stop them.

UnchangeableGod:
I respect the late Francis Adekunle Fajuyi for his principles, unalloyed loyalty to the late J T U Aguiyi Ironsi, as well as his friendship and courage. It shows that not all Yorubas are traitors as alleged. How I wish Igbos and Yorubas can remember this and sheath their swords.

Which sword? Yorubas and Igbos do business together and intermarry every day of the week. The idiots who spend all day calling people Afonja and Ipob don't represent anyone.

Lordave:
I hope not to read betrayal, Afonja, IPOB, slave and master" bullshít on this thread from rude and disrespectful scallywags. You imps should let us reminisce on the pucture in peace.



But Ironsi was a foolish man, sha.

You mean knaive. He was. But his real mistake was letting those who murdered the prime minister get away with it. That was wrong. He should have had them swiftly tried and executed and there would have been no counter-coup.

ValCon888:
There's nothing love cannot forgive.

True. But whether to forgive or not is your prerogative and nobody should as much as question your decision.

PassingShot:
Very possible.

I agree. Speculative but more than plausible.

ValCon888:
Its really horrible for her to carry out such an act without her husband's knowledge.

But the totality of the act is not enough for the marriage to crash - if he still loves her. After all, they can always have another kid.

But if he does not love her or want the marriage again, the act is serious enough for him to use as an excuse to start seeing other women.

If a man does not want you, even putting excess salt in his soup is enough reason for him to collapse the marriage .

This is nonsense. She broke his TRUST. Do you know what trust means? What else was she hiding? It's enough to end a marraige.

docadams:
From Atiku's own account, he wasn't present at the scene of the incidence. He was home that day being a weekend. So the much he knew was from briefing by ground staff.So his recent claim that he prevented the smuggling of money into the country is a fat lie

He stated the number of suitcases brought in, not their contents, was entered into the customs" station diary. So how did he know the contents was money. If indeed it was money, he should kindly state in which currencies.

Atiku cannot pretend in his current ego trip that he didn't know who the suitcases belonged to. In 2017, he pointedly stated in the interview with Thisday, that a powerful first class traditional ruler in the north was the owner of the suitcases. Even though in his usual cowardly disposition he couldn't mention his name, we all know who that traditional ruler was. Why is Atiku now yarning a new tale.

He claimed, he almost lost his job as a result of the incidence. He should have lost his job and put on trial! Here is a man who said the station diary of the customs was supposed to be a confidential government document but allowed a journalist to peruse it which was later used to write a damaging report against the government and its officials, a clear violation of Decree 4.

Atiku should be asked of what became of the investigation he claimed to have initiated on the 53 suitcase saga

I don't. Who was it?

MrBrownJay1:
This man will never see his 1st year marriage anniversary before he dies in mysterious circumstances. This man AND the sista are evil!!! So you date a babe, and when she can't marry you, you settle for the big sista?!?! And she agrees to your nonsense?!

But if parents didn't want younger sista to marry this particular dude, why was it ok for old cargo sista to marry him then?!

Aside the superstition you posted, can you explain what is actually wrong with what the man and the older sister are doing? Maybe we can then see how your post makes an iota of sense.