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@PastorAIO
Why are you playing the devil's advocate?

@nuclearboy
Thanx for the comments, we seem to be in tune with each other as far as the will of christ is concerned. It is my prayer that God would open the minds and hearts of our christian brethen to see and understand the truth about his word.

@PastorAIO
The humour apart, but i think the issue on ground should be heart breaking to all true christians. It should not be a joking issue. The more painfull part of it is that people celebrate these MOGs the more they distort and manipulate the scriptures for their own greed and selfishness.

chukwudi44:
@oladeegbu

pentecostals who are the most aggressive in collection of tithes has contributed virtually nothing to evangelism as most of their forays are to countries that are already christian centurues ago.They hardly go to non -christian ountries to evangelise.

The above is very factual they hardly spread the gospel, all they do is to spread their church branches to prosperous countries all over the worl that there is already a sizeable Nigerian population [ready market]to patronize them.

@chukwudi44
Happy newyear my brother.

ShdAde:
@kunle, what political agenda? and how do u conclude that all other gospel are in line with that of christ?

My dear, there is too much controversy sorrounding this so called gospel and it does not conform with several other established new testament books. For instance in the so called Gospel, barnabas claims to be one of the twelve disciples, this we know is fals as several othe new testamen writtings including other non cannonized ones never mentioned barnabas as a disciple. It is vey glaring to any discerning mind that is is a fake even though some muslims hold on to it since some parts of the writtings there conforms to there idea of christ which is a distorted view which emerged centuries after the death ad ressurection of christ. For more on the "Gospel" of barnabas you can read an objective account here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

Image123:
Let me say 'Happy new year' to you. It's good that you've clarified. Nonetheless, the Lord Jesus said in John 17 that Jehovah God is the ONLY true God, alluding that All other gods are fake and rubbish.

You are very correct i think the problem is with the various definitions and concepts of gods. Wishing you a wonderful and prsoperous new year as well.

jagunlabi:
Why not run both?Bankers and pastors rule the world,bro.

Like Pastor Erastus Akingbola

jagunlabi:
How did you come to that conclusion that it is fake?Outside the influence of one's own preconceived/indoctrinated belief, how does one know which gospel is fake and which one isn't?How do you objectively assess the fakeness and genuineness of any gospel writing?I'd like to know,please.

It was written in the third century contrary to the original ones written in the first century and there was obviously a political agenda in the writing of the so called gospel cos there are too many obvious distortions in it and it is inconsistent with the gospel of christ.

ShdAde:
@kunle and Toba, the prophet was persecuted. None of the wars he fought were started by him. He peacefully spread his message but pagans continued in acts of persecution against those who believed. He couldn t have sat back and watch his people being killed for no other reason than they were muslims. At some point,muslims had to leave makkah for the unbelievers.

So how do you explain the concept of Jihad? Which was a violent means of spreading Islam and is instructed in your holy books. Even here in Nigeria Uthman Dan fodio spread Islam to the western part of the country through violent means. the first Yorubas to convert to Islam [ the Ilorin people] had their land taken away from them and whilst they were force fully converted to muslims. Till today the northerners still control Ilorin and the indegenious yorubas have now been made second class citizens in their father land all in the name of spreading Islam.

Image123:
Kunle,
What's wrong? You're getting more lost. Jesus is the truth. You're supposed to have found Him but you denied Him and His words. 1John 2 says he is antichrist that denies the Son. The truth is not out there somewhere, He has shone already.

My brother, i have not denied Jesus as being the truth. But you have to be able to see the difference betweeen Jesus, the bible and the way we practise christianity. They are three different things. My statement remains that our knowledge of God and the supernatural is incomplete, even our knowledge of christ our saviour who was physically present with us here on earth is incomplete as the bible attests to that in John 21:25: which says:

   25 Jesus also did many other things. If they were all written down, I suppose the whole world could not contain the books that would be written.

So it would be wrong and arrogant of us christians to assume we know everything. i believe the bible as revealed enough to us to lead us to salvation even then it doesn't answer all the questions man kind would like to know about the supernatural. On the issue of one God, i am yet to read any where in the bible that says only one God exists, on the contrary the bible gives the impression that there are other gods hence the first commandment which says:"thou shall have no other god besides me" What the bible teaches is that Only God almighty{Jehovah} is worthy of worship and we should worship him alone hence the one god idea.

@nuella
Obviously, you are thoroughly brainwashed. Are you claiming all pastors who claim to be serving God are genuine? Didn't Jesus warn about false preachers who would come in his name to deceive

@the_seeker/abuzola and other ignorant muslims on this thread

Jesus directed that his gospel be spread all over the world and there are several scriptures in the bible to back it up. The fact that his own personal physical ministry was to the israelites does not over shadow the fact that the apostles were commisioned to spread the gospel all over the earth starting with Israel.

Luke 24:46-47:
46 And he said, “Yes, it was written long ago that the Messiah would suffer and die and rise from the dead on the third day. 47 It was also written that this message would be proclaimed in the authority of his name to all the nations, beginning in Jerusalem: ‘There is forgiveness of sins for all who repent.’


Mark 16:14-15:

14 Still later he appeared to the eleven disciples as they were eating together. He rebuked them for their stubborn unbelief because they refused to believe those who had seen him after he had been raised from the dead.[a]

15 And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.


Matthew 28:18-19:

18 Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19 Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Yes i have heard of it, it is one of the fake Gospels that written by those trying to distort christianity.

Despite all the criticism and condemnation of this man by mostly the PFN[a.k.a Pharisees Federation of Nigeria] the man continues to exhibit the true spirit of christ as exemplified by charitable works and humility. The man might habe his many short comings but he is genuinely doing the work of the kingdom contrary to his adversaries who are merely building monuments unto themselves and personal empires in the excuse that they are spreading the gospel through church planting.

Imagine what good it would do to the body of christ and the whole of humanity if Adeboye should become truly born again and use the billions they collect from their members world wide monthly to actually do God's work as directed by Jesus himself in matthew 25:31-40 rather than using it to build monuments unto themselves, luxury jets and indulging in ostentanious living. Imagine how many millions of hungry can be fed, imagine how many homeless would be given homes/jobs, imagine how many orphans would be given a new lease of life and sent to schools, imagine how many area boy and touts would be rehabilitated, imagine the real impact to society it would be, imagine the impact the body of christ would be having to the cause of humanity which is what christ really charged his followers to do. We christians should start thinking, are we actually following the teachings of christ or the teachings of our pastors which they package as the will of God.

Matthew 15:8-9:

8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 Their worship is a farce,
for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

@shdade
Even though Islam claims to be a religion of peace, the founder of the religion led seveal wars in the spread of his belief system. Why didn't he employ peaceful means like the Jesus to spread his religious teachings? That apart there are several injunctions in the quoran/ haddith which promote and encourage violence and religious intolerance, how do you reconcile this?

A well deserved honour, congrats BRF. Lets also pray that that 1mbecile that calls himself Tinubu would stop constituting himsef as a nuisance in the running of Lagos and stealing our funds via ABC & Hitech amongst several other front companies.

konfessor:
@houvest:you are an hypocrite. now if i say REVD king is a fake pastor, you will not caution me. instead you will encourage me.now what is the difference btw him and these thieves calling themself MOG? IF YOU CAN AGREE that revd king is a real pastor, then i will agree that okonkwo, oyedepo and the devil himself areb real pastors!

Very nice point good logic 

@Post
All i know is that neither Judaism, Christianity nor Islam answers all questions about the almighty God. There are more questions than answers which non of the religious books even scratched the surface of answering, but i know the truth is out there somewhere.

OLAADEGBU:
If Satan can achieve his aim of preventing folks from paying and giving their tithes and offerings he would have succeeded in limiting the glorious gospel from being preached in all the world.
Those who allow themselves to be used by Satan to discourage giving in the house of the Lord will find out that they are kicking against the prick as Saul of Tarsus found out.

Jesus is building His church and the gates of hell (Mammon) shall not prevail against it whether people join Him to build or destroy, the church is marching on and this gospel shall be preached to the ends of the earth.

Oga you are very wrong here, the apostles and the early christians were able to spread christianity all over the middle east, Asia minor, europe and north Africa centuries before the catholic church introduced the tithing scam to christianity in the year 585AD. You cannot use the excuse that the tithe money is being used to "spread" the gospel to justify twisting if the word of God. The gospel would spread with or without tithes. Apostle Paul recorded several times that he worked to support himself whilst spreading the gospel so if you genuinely want to spread the gospel you don't need to engage in fraudulent activities to raise money. That apart most churches that claim they spreading the gospel are not spreading it, all they do is to open branches in already existing christian communities were they can easily collect more tithes and offferings whilst ignoring the pagan and muslim communities who desperately need to experience christ more. Real evangelism is about helping the helpless and the down trodden, and sharing the love of christ with non-believers.

This scripture is very applicable to those who twist God's word for their own greed, also very apt for the topic

Matthew 15:3-9:

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God? 4 For instance, God says, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ 6 In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote,
8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 Their worship is a farce,
for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.

Joagbaje:
Tithing was not meant for the poor. but for the store house. the tithing for the poor was a special one every three years.

On the contrary it is tithing for the levites that is every third year, even then the poor were to share in these tithes as well. When would you heretics tire form twisting the scriptures . Also note that is a caveat entitling levites to aprtake of the tithes which that they were not allowed ot own property. This caveat is conviniently ignored by charlatans who claim to be levites today. The relevant passage is posted below:

Deuteronomy 14:28-29:

28At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Preach on pastor

JeSoul:
My dude was talking to me about this very point few days ago. You're 100% right and[b] I wonder how "communion" shrunk from its original form into what we have today.[/b] The early Catholic church?

Cost cutting strategies which leads to short changing the congregation and the poor/needy whichs leads to profit maximization

@Mr Agbaje
At this point i would live you to your delusions, at least on that day yopu would not be able to deny being told the truth.

Mr Agbaje
Abraham was recorded to have tithed only once in his life time, he did it of his own free will and it was not from his income or his personal assets but from war booty contrary to the type of mandatory tithing being heretically preached in our churches. Also there is NO instruction, injunction or commandment that the jewish people talkless of christians should repeat this abraham's one off practise. Using this excuse of Abraham to justify tithing is very wrong and opportunistic. In that same vein men can start justifying sleeping with their house helps becos Abraham a man of faith did it. Or does that mean we should also start sacrificing rams like muslims becos Abraham did it? Truth be told the fact that abraham was recorded to have done something once is not enough to justify it as doctrine in our churches.

@Nuclearboy
Thanx for the words of advice, really aprreciated. But if you go through my previous posts, you would observe that i have initiated several treads on topics bothering around the way we practise christianity today with emphasis on showing wre we are getting it wrong from the biblical perspective. All the same your comments are much appreciated and noted. Would try to change my tatics in the new year. I also seize this opportunity to wish you a wonderful and fufilling new year ahead.

@Joagbaje
It is funny that you quote from Hebrews 7 to support the obsolete tithing doctrine when it is in that same hebrew 7 that tithing is anulled and described as weak uselss and unprofitable, yet you chose to ignore those biblical facts. I would reproduce the chapter here for you and others to see.

Hebrews 7:5-19:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Kindly note that it is the commandment to takes tithes mentioned in verse 5 that was changed in verse 12, anulled and described as weak and unprofitable in verse 18. Please make sure you read the whole chapter to get the full context of the scripture.

I am really happy for tudor, he doesn't know it but he is preaching the true gospel of christ. Keep it up.

@princekevo
For your benefit i have decided to post the hebrew scriptures which condenm tithing so you can benefit from it. But knowing that you are dliberately ignorant about the truths that relate to tithing you might just ignore it.

Hebrews 7:5-19:

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Kindly note that it is the commandment to takes tithes mentioned in verse 5 that was changed in verse 12, anulled and described as weak and unprofitable in verse 18. Please make sure you read the whole chapter to get the full context of the scripture.

princekevo:
2. tithe was only material and never monetary. (Am still waiting to get any passage from the bible that stated that). All the passages where this law was giving by moses, there was never an exeception. Even the levites that were not farmers god mandated them to pay their tithes from the tithes the get from other tribes of isreal. This is my first time to hear that tithe was limited to some people. meaning those with monetary income are not supposed to pay tithe, but to consume from others tithe, becoz they are farmers. Who be monkey then and who be baboo ? what a heresy?
In Malachai 3. the bible used the word the whole nation. there was never an exception, both the farmers and non farmers. This law came to the whole isrealites as a nation. Non was exempted, Why are you people coming on NL to spread heresis that the Tithing is only meant for people who can bring something consumerable in the presence of God. So if am a farmer and you are a banker , businessman of civil servant, at the end of every year, i will bring a tent of my land and animal increase, which is my own income for the year for us to consume in the presence of God, while you bank yours, coz your income is monetary. I ask again who be monkey and who be baboo? So you think God is so silly to make such partial monkey-baboo business exist in his presence or his house.

In reference to the highlighted above,  it is you who should show us from scripture were tithes is described as money. The bible is clear that it is only those that produced from the land that were required to tithe from their produce and nobody else. i am sure you know it is wrong to add or subtract from the word of God talkless of twist it as is being doen to justify this tithing scam. Also even though in those days most people were farmers most famers had other vocations as farming is not a full time or year round vocation. Even up till today in most agrarian communities farmers have other Jobs they do in between planting and harvesting season were they made income from like in those days. They were never asked to tithe from this extra income, just what they produced from the land of Israel that God personally gave and shared amongst them. That apart i am sure that you are aware that the levite tithes was done once in three years, the yearly tithes was consumed by the tither and monthly/ weekly monetary tithes we practises lacks biblical basis. Before we continue arguing too much on this obsolete and defunct practise of biblical tithes which your pastors twist for the sake of filthy lucre, you may not be aware that the practise of tithing was clearlly annulled for christians and described as weak, useless and unprofitable in the book of hebrew.

PS: You are yet to address a single one of the posers i raised in my previous thread. I am still waiting if you have any substance to post.

@nuclearboy
thanx for your concern and words of advice, i do agree that i might not be going about this in the best possible way however it is really difficult going about this any other way becos people would not even give you an audience if you try and suggest that their pastor or G.O is fallible. They see these people as demi -gods who can do no wrong. However this is a public forum were we all come to discuss express our selves and exchange ideas. I discover i can express my views in a more articulate way in writing than i can do verbally cos in verbal communication people tend not to hear you out and start arguing even before you make your point. But on this forum at least you have the opportunity to completely express your views in writing without being interrupted. I know i have made a lot of enemies for myself on this forum likewise i have made a lot of friends and i believe i have been able to impact a few people with the true gospel of christ and what it really means. Christianity is a journey and not a destination and we all have to strive to know the truth and walk in it. I myself i have many short comings as a christian and i cannot claim to be living a perfect christian life. The only thing i can claim is that i genuinely strive to do his will.

By writing on a public forum like this some preachers would read it and might re-asses the the doctrines they preach if it matches up to christ's standard, other believers would also read it and might learn a thing or two about the true gospel of christ and take their preachers to task, and even non believers might come to see real christianity in better light as opposed to popular church dogma. I have been told by at least one atheist on this forum that if it is the way i explained christianity to him is the way it is being practised it would make more sense and be more meaningful to humanity. Even though i still have reason to believe he is still an atheist, but i can at least say i pricked something in him

noetic15:
Abuzola Congratulations . . . .I hope u win this award for many years to come.

That is if he doesn't get arrested for terrorist activities before then!!!