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Slavery has been part of the culture pre islam and on the advent of islam there were still slaves in the time of the prophet. Islams message was directed towards the emanicpation of slaves and the rights of slaves as well. The freeing of a slave became a charitable act in islam and the wealthy muslims freed lots of slave and Bilal was a living testimony to this act of charity. Bilal was freed by Abu bakr (May God be pleased with them all). Other companions like Wukasha and co were freed slaves.

In surah Balad (Q90 v12 -13) Allah was talking abt the steep path to paradise and the first issue or act Allah talked abt here was the freeing of a slave.

However, during wars slaves were captured as this was the norm in those days even in west africa history of the 16th century and earlier and they were were deemed to be causalities and war booty.

The main point is the message of islam was to free the slaves. It is unfortunate that some countries like mauritania still keep slaves and this is so unfortunate 1427 years after the prophet some people still practise this.

Having said this , the slave practice of the earlier era i mentioned is not comparable to the transatlantic slave trade of the europeans.

If i have said anything wrong please my other bros should correct me.

And God knows best.

This woman looks like a masqurade. She fits a horror film and doesnt need a mask as her sight alone would scare the living day out of children.

JJYOU:
yea yea with some dodgy watches, batteries and loads of beggars too. mostly in front of churches they intend to burn down some day. more like creating victims and pains than curing. how can God hear people full of violence and hatred? if you were God for 1 minute would you hear a group of people like that?

I know you are more intelligent than this, honestly re read your post and make a judgement. Dont put yourself on the same level as todak, noetic and davidylan.

Even in islam we believe God answers the prayers of people of all faith and i have reference for that.

Back to the topic , miracles dont really mean anything islam as people can have miracles in thier personal lives everyday. It is not something we propagate as a sign of piety not is it something we go on preaching about. The devil himself can perfom various majic and evil men can do perform "miracles " in their own right.

Our faith reveloves round worshipping the one true God and not around miracles.

The christianity i grew up to know is on the same page as per this , Anglican,Methodist,Baptist catholic all dont preach this sort of miracles. It is the christianity of today we here all this things of which everyday various allegations of acting and falsehood are levelled against the miracles workers.

Why the CAN champion the banning of miracles on Nigerian TV.

May God guide us aright.

You do not understand the meaning of that word if you do you would not be asking such a question.

Dont be childish with your dont run and hide. I affirm my stance i aint debating with someone who cant treat others with respect. I have tried and excercised patience but i maintain my stance.

uplawal:
i believe in ISLAM now but need someone to put me through

Can i just get you right please. Are you asking for guidance on islam and want to know more abt the faith? If yes i can inshallah gladly help. Also i see you wanted a bit of expansion on Deut 18 v 18

What is the point in debating with someone who ends all his sentences with insults. . .  slowpoke ,  dolt and so on.

What is the point of debating with someone who says there was never an islamic civilisation?

What is the point of debating with someone who says only a fool will say islamic civilisation existed.

Perhaps he needs to see the meaning of civilisation again.

What is the point a debating with someone who says islam forces women out of school , then says the reason for iran having high women in the schools they were supposedly to be banned from is because men join the army . . . . . i just laugh.

what is the point in debating with someone who uses the actions of few people based on culture to reach a conclusion that 1.2 billion people practise the same  . . . .  this is just a crime to intellectualism i will always say. Apart from Afghanistan and thos border areas how many muslim countries have u heard their women not going to school or stopped from recieving education on a national scale.

Honesty and objectivity is a virtue.

There is really no point debating with you. If there is any othe person in the house who wants to have this honest debate based on mutual respect and free from insults then please your more than welcome.

davidylan:
that is your own idea, the quran does not say any such thing.

The arabic word used regarding the wine is not khamr and those verses states it will not intoxicate. Please do your research before you write.

It was my first time i think on the family section. Kai osisi no go tire o but i think oyb has done a gud jobe there anyway.

See me thinking she has taken some rest, how wrong was I. Mukinah talk to your friend nah

Bastage please try to keep your tongue or your hand in check while you type. It is detestable insulting a person on hear by calling that person stupid , it is very low to now call a faith of 1.2 billion people stupid. Only if you had done ur self the favour of reading about this subject in islam.

The Arabic word is in the quran is khamr which means intoxicants and does not mean alcohol. By the way alcohol is derived from Arabic and original Arabic word just to digress. Back to the issue intoxicant includes drugs, alcohol and any damn thing that intoxicates and makes u lose ur mind or controls u.

So your rattling about drugs been permitted in islam is just a concotion of your imagination. The fact that some muslim smoke hashish does not make it right . Muslims are human and far from been perfect. Islam is the faith and not the one that has problems.

One should note hear that hashish is different from Sheesha though.

I am not sure of the one on youtube as i havent even listened to it. I was jsut talking on the audio tape AC said they had. Very good point u raised though thanx for bringing my attention to that.

This guy onenaija unfortunately echoes the decay in nigeria's educational establishment. Please onenaija read wide and get enlightened this pictures have been around for a while and it is drug money like someone mentioned.

He his the same person that came on to say northerners lack civilisation and contribute nothing to the nation. Perhaps Ibori is from Kano state as well.

What sense will it make for AC to falsify such tapes especially the aftermath embarassment. They actually sent the tape to The NSA in abuja , its most probably correct and true

Nothin new except we have some new bashers joined the leauge and sum are taking rest like osisi and funmi.

Bastage

A man that fails to regard his hostory can never live to be a great  man. The poster posted a question about islamic civilastion the decline and the sudden re emergence and wanted insightful contribution. about four peolple posted and said there is no  islamic civilisation which is absolutely false and u have subtly agreed it did exist but declined. In intellectual discourse we look backwards, look at history and then move on to the contemporary to see what is happening. Thisis the spirit of a debate. I have not started anaylysis in the least all i was trying to do was to bring peoples attention to the past.

Bastage:
There is no Islamic civilisation. Perhaps there was in the past but it doesn't exist now.

This is an oxymoron, there is none and then perhaps there was. In the field of history the islamic civilisation is acknowledged.

To butress my point of earlier posters lets frst define civilisation and then we could proceed.

According to princeton dictionary

civilization: the social process whereby societies achieve an advanced stage of development and organization .
Now how can any intellectual say there is no islamic civilisation.

You could hate islam which is fair but denying the obvious is crime to intelleculism.

Now we could go on to analyse islamic civilisation vis a vis modern times.

Bastage:
The claim that Islam birthed much of science is a fallacy - it merely helped to encourage a climate where scientists could work. But is it doing that now??!!! Emphatically no!!! Islam forces women away at schools, insists that teaching has to be compatible with dogma and in Pakistan alone is responsible for the destruction of thousands of schools. Get real!!! Living on so-called past victories whilst the Islam of today is slowly destroying them is hypocritical, ignorant and just plain false.

Burble on all you like about "great Islamic civilisation" but show me one instance where it survives today. Statements like "it was responsible for creating this or that 600 years ago" are not only misleading but totally irrelevant to the times we live in today.

Could you show me an islamic reference or justification for the statement in bold. This is categorically wrong. The extreme teachings of some of the taliban regarding schools has noplace in islam. I have said countless times edcation of women is mandatory in islam and u educate a woman u educate a nation. I urge u to please take that word back "islam forces women out of school" you could put taliban and i care less. Saudi arabia for example has several universities for women, Many of the gulf countries do and in Iran 65% of undergraduates are women so what are we saying here.

Aisha RA was a scholar and transmiteed thousands of hadith, there have been may women scholars in islam, women hold significant place in islam and the cultures of some people should not be the basis to judge islam. In african traditions women never used to have any right and were sex tool for men, in europe women were second class citizens and could not vote, opression of women has forever been with humanity and it is not islam that started it not does islam condone it. This has been the culture of many races since time immemorial lets be objective please.

Islamic civilastion had a resurgence around the 40's and particulalrly in the 70's there was a re awakeining of the islamic identity which is why there is a struggle today. Lets focus this debate on islamic civilisation vs western civilisation in this century and we could move the debate foward.

honestly the ignorance displayed here is phenomenal. Inshallah when i am less busy i would give an insight into islamic civilisation in the last 1420 years.

A civilisation in the islamic world when europe was leaving in the dark ages , a civilisation that was spread to europe through andalus. A civilisation english people learned from the andalusians and general spanish and pportugeuese people.

Many people never know how the science of navigation came into being. Some are not aware how the clock we use today was developed. Little are aware how the astronomical breakthrough came about and the history of the persicope. Ignorant people never seem to remember the main players in the develpment mathematics. Little do we know the social security veeb practised in western world has been with islamic civilisation thousands of years ago.

How can we forget the encouragment of sciencein islam at a time eurpoeans were killing their scientist cos of the notion that the earth was flat. Little do we remember the islamic civilsation spread from the east to the west to Africa and beyon. The civilastion and islamic architecture of which the taj mahal is stil a living testomony. The great civilisation still standing with evidence in spain till date.

How is it only the criminal penal code of islam you peole choose to single out? Amputation.

reindeer:
islamic civilisation?

ok, that must be what we see in Zamfara state nigeria, poverty, ignorance, unbelievable infant and maternal mortality rates and yeah, polio!

If it is not ignorance how can you single out zamfara state in the context of Islamic civilisation that spans from the gulf of Arabia to the caucuses of Russia. A civilisation that moves from India to the depth of west Africa. You single out the poverty of the zamfara and polio to islam. Honestly please for the sake of intellectualism it would be wise to eat your words. The poverty and famine of Christian ethopia must have been due to islam right or the shacks and slums of the niger delta Nigeria. Somebody says meningitis . . . gosh lets have a healthy debate and intellectual discourse based on maturity and not sarcastic comments that inflames the flames of hatred.

This toic is a very interesting one that we could have a healthy analysis on. If you guys are up for it I am down for it but if it is based on these useless and sarcastic comments trivilising issues to zamfara state when we should be looking at issues globally as most of us live abroad anyway then we would be doing a great justice to the topic.

Honestly as an arsenal fan i feel we were outplayed by liverpool yesterday but what i praise is the ability of thos young boys with 5 of the first team not playing and were able to withstand the tremendous pressure liverpool threw at us from the start of the game.

Arshavin was simply clinical and took all the chances we had. 4 on target 4 goals with reina saving nothing for 95 mins. Even arsenal had no corner kick as far as i remember.

The negative i take away is silvestre and Bentdner. Bentnder had 90 mins to show if he can play at the big stage yet he the few balls his legs touched was a disaster. Arshavin did not have a great fottball game but the few times he touched the ball the result is what we see. In my opinion Bentdet shud just be kept as a fringe player and nothing more.

Silvestre is an accident waiting to happen at old trafford. He had a mixed game yesterday as he was the cause of 2 golals and he also made some impact but overall he his shit.

Nasri was my best player yesterday putting aside the clinical arshavin for his goal. Fabregas was pretty average and had a quiet game Charragger never gave him a chance to do anything with the ball.

Seun and me too as it is getting on my nerves. It never use to be like this pls let us have the option to use it if we want and not for that box to be automatically checked.

chidichris:
Lagosboy,
i don't believe nigeria plays brazillian attacking style football rather what we play is nigerian football style. abt mourinho, ur ideas are not needed. the special one is coming and the arrangements are done. on the other hand, if u want platini to come, u can go ahead and work towards that. we will be here to wait.
if u do not want mourinho, the only option u will have will be to travel to cotonou while we recieve the Igwe.

Lols.

That was just my personal opinion. Nigerian football is based on entertaining attacking football i remmeber the wonderful 94 squad and 96 oylympic squad those were truly ground football. Not the ugly boring football berti vogts came with. Westerhof and Bonfrere jo are both dutch and play wonderful football . The kind Rijkaard played with at barcelona, the kind Huddink plays and is doing with chelsea , the kind wenger imparts in his kids.

Abromovich kicked out mourinho partly cos he wants to see dat kinda football.

Me dont have anything against the special one but dont like his football philosophy.

I aint gonno go cotonu though lols

There is nothin mourinho has to teach except how to play defensive football. How to score one goal and shut the game off.

Nigerians play brazillian attacking style football which Wenger, Rijkard and probably Hiddink play. Let Wenger, Rijkaard or Hiddink come to Nigeria to lecture and not JM.

Siasia is Nigerias best manager. Amodu should be kicked out and Siasia brought in.

yeswecan:
First Iran has refused to identify Israel as a state. Ahmadinejad made it clear he is ready for talks but will never identify Israel as a state.

Please understand the religion connotation of this war. The Muslims view Israel as their archenemy, the land Israel occupies is known as the most sacred land for the Islam and they will do everything possible to get the Israelites out of that land. Saudi Arabia is viewed as a sacred Land because no Israelite has ever stepped a foot on Saudi. Late Prophet Mohammed instructed the Arab that no Israelite should be allowed to step a foot on that land. Sorry for the diversion am tiring to bring out the point that Iran will never subscribe to any diplomatic channel. This is about religion, not just a normal war.

If you can read Ezekiel, from the old testament of the Bible, you will understand the religious aspect. Americas will not Support Israel here but at the End, Israel will defeat the whole Islam world.

Christain zionism at its best.

Only if we could look at issues without our religious bias and sentments. How come there was no crises in the region until 1947, how come the jews lived side by side with the muslims for hundreds of years in that region, how come the jews always found sanctuary in muslim enclaves all through their history , even when they were persecuted in europe.

Please leave the issue of religon out of this and lets anaylse the issues politically.

I just wonder the rationale in Israel possesing nuclear weapons and them not wanting iran to have nuclear technology. All animals are equal but some are more equal than the other innit?

Israel attacking iran would trigger fire in the whole region, thos gulf states would dare not support the US in such attacks as Iran would wipe them out in one day. The arabs will join the persians and it will be a colossal crises in the world. Israel will even never survive to regret it in my opinion. This is not 1981 iraq and i know Obama is wiser and will not be foolish to allow Netanyahu push him like a dummy.

He will remember his campaign rhetoric and the premise of change on which he assumed power.

My people why is the world ok with israel having nuclear weapons and not iran i still cant fathom.

garbage could be a nice word my sista. honestly i am just trying to give him the benefit of doubt to understand the motive behind this trash.

Horus:
No dont pride yourself,there is nothing to be proud of when your mind is brainwashed by alien externals force without you even aware of it. Before you talk about someone else brain look at your first. Every nation and races on earth, except the so-called African sticks together; a so-called African can see one of his people needing any kind of human help, or being abused in any manner by an Arab or caucasian enemy, and will just stand in awe and look or laugh. They call this minding their own business, and they are afraid of the Arab and caucasian enemy, and don’t want to be mixed up in it. Don’t you know that your African people are your business?.So use your insult and sarcasm only against the enemy of the Africans,not against your own African brothers.

I am jut wondering how u have singled out arabs as been responsible for black extinction in Africa.  You simply forgot the 300 years of trans atlantic slave trade by the Europeans. You forgot the years of colonisation of Africa by the Europeans.

I wonder if the arabs was responsible for Nigerias civil war or for the tribalism in Nigeria. The arabs must be responsible for the hutus killing the tutus in Rwanda as well. The arabs must have been behind the tribal clashes between the luo and the kikuyu of Kenya.

You talked of Libyan harassing Nigerians which I also detest but u have failed to mention the many atrocities Nigerians commit in their country. Africans are more racist than the arabs take it or leave it. At least arabs don’t really kill themselves for being from different clans and stuff except the recent Iraqi clashes which the US created due to Paul Bremers divisive antics. Africans have continually killed themselves for useless tribal issues. Even in Nigeria people from the same state Delta for example the urhobo and istsekiri crises of the late 90’s, the ife and modakeke crises of the late 90’s are appalling to say the least. Please wake up and look at things in a wider perspective.
The issues of Sudan is crazy and sickening but people of sudan are mainly black as well so I don’t understand when people say arabs are killing blacks. People of sudan are considered black arabs and people of dafur speak Arabic as well. They are all blacks but of different tribes so it is black on black. Does Bashir of Sudan look like Fahd of Saudi to you in terms of complexion. These people are called Nubil a kind of black arab. Although there are many full arabs in sudan as well. It is part of Africas tribal issues.

@El razur

#why not speak to your friend devaidylan about throwing insults all about. If you go to read this thread from the begining you would see he is the Chief originator oof insults to this thread and i called his attention to that. I see you feel personal about it when Richy called u a name u dont like,it will be wise to advise your friend in arguements to restrain from insults for us to take you serious on this.

Insults should have no place in debates and i beleive we should all act matured. From today till eternity i shall not support the state of israel until it vates the occupied terrirtories and so will most of u guys ever support Israel so whats the fuss about insults. Lets table our points across and it is a fact we are all guilty of bias towards either Israel or the neighbours of israel so again whats the fuss.

Iran is an independent state and any act of aggression against it by Israel should be met with an ovhelming retaliation to teach those zionist pre emptive strike is gone with the killer George Bush. Obama is wiser and will not authorise pre emptive strike by Israel unless the US wants to fight on 3 front s now ;Iraq, Afghanistan and then Iran.

Hell no!!!

rhetoric means absolute nothing. Does rhetoric warrant attacking the nuclear facility of iran?

Even when it has been said several times what he said in farsi was not the correct translation the media hyped in english.

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switch47:
i dey Chop Dog dey wag tail----I no be ARMCHAIR FAN like you o----- Dem no know me for Emirate----at all----if i must follow a team as a fan Na doxology FC of Ugbekemu Idanre town for Western Nigeria wey no dey use boots play sef be my indiginous team-(at least d team sabi me for we area)------------even mumu Chelsea know you sef??-----WE ,WE, WE ,WE, We go do this , we go do that, our team this my team that-------Dem know say you exist sef??colo mentality!!! i enjoy watching great premiership sides with history and pedigree----Arsenal , Man united , liverpool are great clubs and delight to see-----not some ill luck -blood money club that will rise rise rise and MARK MY WORDS FALL!! and the higher you climb the bigger the fall-----i can still remember a certain slowpoke 'captioned' john terry ible final miss at moscow-----that is the story of chelsea!! chelsea's ending this season will be worse than that----WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT!!



Wetin be Una Chiff ??(achive) Una no go still carry anything-------dem dey dream of silverware?! Una no go fit bully EVERTON -------una go soon comot For champions league-----and the premiership is still extremely REd=======liverpool or United whichever comes first!! HE GOAT wey go market get bear bear THE ABOKI wey carry the Goat get Bear bear NA WHEN MARKET START WE GO KNOW WHO BRING WHO COME MARKET!!

Simply hilarious!!!!!!

I n as much as i would have loved Ahmednijad to have been a little bit subtle in this speech , i just wonder if Bush calling 3 countries Axis of Evil was any better or Hilary's comment about obliterating Iran if it attacked israel despite israel wanting to attack an Iran unprovocatively.

I have asked myself not to involve in arguements where a party cannot put across a point without insults and name calling. I wish i could continue this with you but i dont think i qould like to go further.

Before i go though just to let you know the UN security council ordered not the UN. Even at that the order wasnt based on the fact that it was illegal rather it was based on non compliance with inspection.

Pleas no single commentator has ever said the nuclear program of iran is illegal.

here is El baradai's comment in december 2008

TEHRAN – IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei in a telephone interview with Al Hayat newspaper has reaffirmed that Iran’s nuclear activities are “legal”.


“Iranians are working under a legal framework. They have permitted the international (atomic energy) agency to monitor their imported materials,” ElBaradei told the London-based newspaper published on Wednesday.

On the nuclear activities of Syria, the director stated, “The agency still awaits further explanations from Syria.”

“However, the International Atomic Energy Agency cannot deprive Syria from its right to become a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group.” -

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=184534

You could say its from a tehran paper but a single google search would reveal this comment to you.

Nuclear weapon is what could be termed illegal according to the security council but a nuclear program is certainly not illegal according to international law.

Iran was asked to suspend its program because it did not comply with inspection dats all David.

Please understand that legal and illegal is not a subject of emotions or sentiments neither is it based on pre-emptive analysis rather it is based on facts of the present and not what they could do with it in future.

I will always like to analyse issues and thathas been my stance on NL but u cannot call me names and expect me to swallow that without raising an eyebrow especially when i dont call people names or throw insults and anyone here can confirm that. I expect the same in return !!!

Difference of opinion in politcs or debates does not warrant name calling , maturity should be key and we should be able to express ourselves without derogatroy words.

Islamaobot is in every word derodgatory and if your really wanted to score a point u would have said muslims and i would have taken u on regarding that.

No need for religious sentiments here please!!