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davidylan:
Seems you[b] islamobots [/b] only realise that when your islamic brethren are being given a dose of their own medicine. If they had walked out on Netanyahu would you also be crying that he was a democratically elected leader of the Jews? slowpoke.

Ahmedinejad's Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism . . . many of these EU countries have felt firsthand what 9-11 was like . . . i'm not sure they were interested in the sanctimonious drivel he had to say.

I have ever since realised asking you to change is like asking the sky to turn green. What has religion got to dow with this discussion at hand. What is d meaning of islamobot by the way other than a dergotatory way of addressing muslims. Likei always say u are an embodiment of how not to be a christian or better still a symbol of been unchristian.

Analyse the issues at hand without adding your relgious intonation to it. Let me remind you its the politics section.

Respect begets respect.

These same leader can stand and condemn other leaders and they dont want another leader to criticise them.

Take it or leave it Ahmedinajad is a democratically elected leader of his people and Like Obama said US should deal with them based on mutual respect.

@Horus

Are u asking a genuine question u want to understand or u are accusing muslims of fabricating the kalimatu shahadah?

Your answer would determine the kind of response that will suit you.

Listen my guy here we go again . . . . . . deliberate lies and falsehoods

Iran's nuclear facilitiy is not illegal and the UN does not call it illegal.

Truth , fairness and justice . . . . . . this is laughable where is fairness in Israel having nuclear weapons and preventing a neighbour from having what it calls nuclear facility to generate power,

Where is justice in some countries having nuclear weapons and preventing others from having it.

Need is say more.

Please dont let me start to dig out the countless times u have lied on this forum please dont push me.

I have not lied anywhere in my comments above. The UN has not call irans facilities illegal i repeat it has called for cooperation and inspection.

The funny thing is in staurday sun one of the girls confessed she has HIV and was happy the soldier might contact it while he was doing the disgraceful act. such men deserve to have their penis chopped of and served to the dogs as sausage.

davidylan:
you're just[b] saber rattling as u[/b]sual. Are you aware that Israel is also a sovereign state and thus it is expected that Iran should NOT make provocative statements such as planning to wipe it off the map? Imagine if the president of Congo threatened to wipe off Gabon from the face of the earth. Heck if the jews had made such a statement about Iran you would be protesting violently and calling on the UN to sanction Israel. Its nice that you remember stuff about sovereignity . . .

The IAEA does not deem the nuclear installations in Iran as "legal" . . . you violent hypocrites shld at least pay attention to the truth. The IAEA published a list of breaches of its safeguards agreement that Iran was in violation of and labeled described as a pattern of concealment as far back as 2004 and according to its report made this recommendation - On 18 September 2004, the Board of Governors adopted resolution GOV/2004/79, in which it requested Iran, inter alia, to “immediately suspend all enrichment-related activities, including the manufacture or import of centrifuge components, the assembly and testing of centrifuges and the production of feed material, including through tests or production at the UCF, under Agency verification.” The Board also called again on Iran “as a further confidence building measure, voluntarily to reconsider its decision to start construction of a research reactor moderated by heavy water.”

Iran however responded by ending its voluntary cooperation with the IAEA in 2006.

Israel is much smarter than the US, it would rather bomb tehran off the map than invade it. Should "ragtag" militias choose to attack it, they only have themselves to blame. I'm sure decietful hypocrites like you would only be too happy to return here to sob on behalf of "women and children".

Moyin its high time u changed. what has my comments got to do with verbal attacks on my person, or calling us violent hypocrites and stuff. Making replies without thses kind of words will go a long way in adding substance to your arguements. We are both grown ups now and there is absolute no need for these kinda comments in these kind of debates my guy.

you support israel and i dont period so w can lay out our arguments in texts without personalising it please.

I personally think Arshavin should have started or bette still brought in after 60 mins and Song should have replaced Denilson. Diaby should have taken out and Nasri brought in.

Wenger wanted a phsyical presence that was why he had Diaby on to counter Chelsea;s phsyical presence but after 60 mins at 1-1 he should havve made a treble change. The play was baalanced and no team outplayed the other but the weakling in our goal was our menace. He was an accident waiting to happen from the 4th minute. Its just a shame we have been unlucky with injuries all season, just when all our attacking players were comming back , the defence went into recession as well.

bloody shame!!!

Last yeat it was a spectacular 1-1 draw with an acrobatic Tim Cahill goal.

This year it could be another tight one. Everton are bloody difficult to be beat i am going for a draw for this one.

True Ade and RVP are out but Gunners shall triumph. Eduardo shall play and either Bentdner plays alongside him or Arshavin plays behind him. The only worry i have is the weakling in goal plus Silvestre.

I think it shall be a good game though as both teams i think will play open football cos liverpool cant affor to be cautious and would be gunning for an early goal.

Fabiansky i beg u make u stay for ur line.

Gunner for life!!!!

Onenaija:
I am not a tribalism or hate the northern

Anyone taking this guy seriously has issues. It is bloody obvious this guy lacks or is deficient in intelligence, literacy and education. Like kobojunkie advised please for the sake of intelligence STOP!!!

Thor:
It is very true. But even though they may not be civilised or have any culture this is the fault of the backward religion (Islam) which they follow.

Seems like you are on the same page with Onenaija.

You live in Kensington, it would be worthwhile to run a search on majority of the choice property owners in the borough of Kensington to understand the backwardness of your statement and not of islam. The former Mayor of london livingston and even present go read and understand their views of islam before you make such silly comments.

Israel must be joking to be thinking of attacking Iran a soveriegn state, and attacking its Nuclear installation which is legal in international law and even the IAEA deems it legal.

Iran aint no rag tag militia israel must remember and if the US supports this action all the US bases in the gulf are well as good as gone. No ship would pass through the Persian gulf and the economic factor shall be colossal.

Israel would also be ready to face the rag tag militia who humbled them in 2006 Hezbollah and be ready to fight on 3 fronts.

Iran is not Iraq of 1981 and Iranian influence in the region is ever growing. I bet Obama would neva give Isreal such foolish authority to go attack Iran.

Seems like the Lekki area innit? Can anyone confirm?

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noetic:
why be an hypocrite?

No need to ask irrelavant question cos your hypocricy here doesnt apply too me.

noetic:
why not ask ur brethrens to stop the peddling of falsehood and derogatory claims about sacred christian beliefs.

If a muslim can deduce from his knowledge that Jesus is NOT God and was not crucified (which contradicts my beliefs) and also that the bible is "corrupt"then I should be able to deduce from my knowledge and the numerous obtainable evidences that:

See the fact remains these issues you raise are the very reason why muslims are muslims and christains are christians. The divinity of jesus and crucifiction is the main difference between the faiths and it did not stem from any muslim on this forum rather it is the core islamic belief. These difference and irreconcilable and i dont understand how this will lead you to call the prophet of islam names or call God with those derogatory names. I am not combative and not ready to go into any verbal combat. All i am saying is be civil and matured all these name calling is offensive to say the least.

These differences you are dwelling on has been there for 1430 years and so how does this justify the personal attack on the prophet of islam (PBUH).

Pls my guy be humble enough to accept insults has no place here. If any muslim does so as well i would call him to order.

noetic:
your bias is legendary. What you have failed to understand is that it takes two to tangle.
How come some forumites are never insulted? thats because they dont insult people.

You get what u give, no one will sit back and watch u insult what they hold sacred and then let u preach about morality and decorum.

Could you tell me just once, where i have insulted anyone here or thrown derogatory words to any prophet of God or attacked christians as a people? It would be wonderful to quote me just once.

I made reference to non muslims here because this section is supposed to be for muslims and when u guys come here i think u should all play by the rules. The muslims here dont attack each other , at least i havent come across one.

It is unfotunate this section should be about learning new things and help others grow in the deen of islam but the constant distraction and bad intenioned questions saps the energy that should be directed to more meaningful and beneficial things.

This is has been my campaign here all along. To be honest many post i should contribute to i dont cos of these insults and low words. This is even a religous section and it is quite an oxymoron that we cant debate without insults and attacks to the noble prophets, God and ourselves.

Once i contribute to a thread and the response is insults and stuff i just prefer to stay away and not get dragged into the mess. Patience and self restraint is taught by all religions and we should practise it.

I must say many of the non muslims that come to this section are guilty of these and i urge them to change and lets analyse like matured minds, with that we could really enlighten each other and have meaningful religious discussions and less hate words.

Horus:
Ask the Orthodox Sunni Muslims are pilgrims committing a sin when they board a plane or a ship?
According to their hadith, yes. They are sinning because an airplane is a likeness of a bird and a ship is a likeness of a fish which would be considered making an image of Allah’s creation. (Refer to Hadith #838, Volume 7 in the section “Are Pictures A Sin?”)

With all due respect if you do not know something it is wise to ask before making affirmative statements. Images in that hadith refer to statutes - 3 dimensional images and not even pictures we take today.

Plane or ship being a sin is a very ridiuclous statement, when many verses in the quran talked about ship been sailed on the sea by Allah's command. When Allah said the ark of Noah sailed with his name. Please knowledge is power and enlightenement is a very good thing. It is wise to ask before making such blanket statements next time.

noetic:
ok. I have been corrected, Aisha was 9.
so blabs would u give ur 9 year old daughter to mr mohammed to have sex with ?

is sex with a 9 year old not paedophilic?
mohammed was definitely a slowpoke, inhumane and a sex pervert. what explanation do u have for this despicable act?
considering that he did it in the name of allah, allah must have been an idiot, and a very inhuman thing.

Gentleman, i have been sifting through some of your posts and this i would say got under my skin. Lets be civil and understand and respect the sensitivities of other faiths. If we must debate and argue lets do it but within the confines of intellectualism, civility and decorum which frowns at throwing of insults and derogatory words not just to a person but to the symbol of a faith. I can assume your a christian from your posts but no muslim can ever say a derogatory word towards Jesus not to mention calling Allah with those words.

It is is ignorance i would say leads you to call Allah in those term as we have established time without numbers that arab christains call God with that name, that yoruba call god as olorun , that igbo people call him chineke , that hausas calls him Allah or Ubangiji. I cant believe a true christain would refer to God in those demeaning terms all because he hates a faith and the people of that faith refer to God in a particular language.

Referring to the prophet of islam in those words is simply ridiculous and you could be humble enough to apologise and continue with your debate. There is absolute no need for insults and that is why people get baned from this section.

You say muslims should stay of the xtian forum but there is no christain section on NL what we have is a religious section for peoplle of all faiths and it is only islam that has a separate section.

In as much as i detest the thieving politicians, i dont think it is right to be happy at this kind of misfortune for anyone. I would be happy to see his hand chopped off after he has been tried or direct punishment of any nature for his criminal acts but not to be singing at someone involved in an accident.

It is cowardly and uncivilised for anyone to laugh at this in my opinion, remember 60 other people were involved in simlar situations.

incredible match.

Fabulous great piece of football ihavent seen in a while. As a neutral it was an elating match.

Absolutely marvelous

omo if Benitez pulls this miracle . He earns my respect for life. I am not a chelsea fan and i despise Liverpool but if Benitez achieves this feat he his a super manager ,

This game is damn interesting

May God bless the soul of the late Sheikh.

Good to see that there are still steadfast clergies who are incorruptible by these evil politicians masqurading under the banner of islam. I used to think this particular governor was one of the few sincere govs in the last dispensation how wrong was i if this story is indeed true.

Kano residents pls shed more light for us.

Although it is now two years, the corrupt Nigerian Police Force in connivance with the political authorities in Abuja and Kano has deliberately refused to release even the preliminary report about who actually plotted the politically motivated assassination of one of Nigerian’s foremost and respected Islamic Scholar, late Sheikh Ja’afar Mahmud Adam. The Islamic scholar was murdered while leading the Subhi prayers in his Kano residential Mosque on Friday April 13, 2007. We can authoritatively reveal that the former administration of Chief Olusegun Obasanjo under the then Inspector General of Police Mr. Sunday Ehindero, the Kano State Emirate Council under His Royal Highness Alhaji Ado Bayero and indeed the Kano State Government knows why Sheikh Ja’afar Mahmud Adam was assassinated in cold-blood and indeed the sponsor of this dastardly assassination.

We can confirm from the overwhelming evidence gathered during the period under review that the Kano State Governor, Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau, who is supposedly� an advocate of the Sharia implementation through an expensive programme called A Daidaita Sahu and the creation of the� Hisbah group through which billions of naira in Kano State wealth was wasted and siphoned, was the one that plotted and sponsored the cold-blooded assassination of the late Islamic Cleric. It has become clear that prior to the April 2007 gubernatorial election which saw Governor Shekarau in a desperate and frantic effort to return as governor for the second time by all means, the late Sheikh Ja’afar had become one of the most visible threat capable of making it impossible for Mallam Shekaru to get re-elected. Considering the late cleric’s large followership, his authority and the influence he commands in Kano State and beyond, Shekarau realized that his disagreement with Sheikh Ja’afar may cause him his ambition to rule Kano State beyond 2007 and therefore the need to plot a permanent solution against the cleric became inevitable. That was how the plot to eliminate Sheikh Ja’afar from the face of the earth was conceived, orchestrated and executed.


The unprecedented orgy of murderous rampage at both Panshekara, the headquaters of Federal Road Safety Commission as well as in Sharada Police Station where innocent souls were mercilessly murdered few days before the brutal assassination of Sheikh Ja’afar were organised to cover the plan of his assasination and to eventually justify that his murder was not politically motivated and that it was perpetrated by rival Islamic sect.

Unfortunately for the Shekarau government, there was no evidence even after the assassination to suggest or to agree with the police and the Kano State Governemnt that the attack was carried out by an unknown rival Islamic Sect. The sophistication of the assasins and the automatic AK47 they used against Sheikh Ja’afar clearly shows that they were paid to kill the Islamic Scholar. And if the attack was perpetrated by a rival Islamic sect as the authorities insinuate and fabricated, all the faithfulls in the mosque would have been killed. But their target was only Sheikh Ja’afar and as soon as they were satisfied that he did not survive the multiple gun shots, they left the scene.

  [b]Misunderstanding between Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau and late Sheikh Ja’afar became sour when the late Scholar realised that Governor Shekarau was not sincere about the implementation of Shariah and that he uses the Hisba Board as a conduit pipe thereby making nonsense of the Islamic legal system. The irreconcilable disagreement forced Sheikh Ja’afar to resign his appointment as a member of the Hisbah Board and since then, he became a consistent critic of Shekarau’s unislamic conduct and mismanagement of the public resources by accusing him of using Islam to deceive and mislead the people. It has not, ofcourse, gone down well with Shekarau who began to look for several options of dealing with Sheikh Ja'afar. Attempts to make him compromise through inducement had also failed.

  What probably caused Jafar his life was his decision and threat at the peakk of the election season to expose the massive financial scam carried out through the Hisbah by Mallam Shekarau. The late scholar had also accused eminent clerics of benefitting so much against Islam and the masses and threatened to expose the huge scam. That was what caused him his life because Govenror Shekarau knew that the late cleric as a former privileged member of the Hisbah board was in possession of damaging dossiers and he was fully convinced that Sheikh Ja’afar had the moral credibility to convince and change the opinion of the people of Kano against him. Having tried him several times, Shekarau also knew that Sheikh Ja’afar was not the kind of cleric that can be compromised with financial inducement. That was how the decision to eliminate him was taken. Mallam Shekarau had tried unsuccessfully to induce Sheikh Ja’afar like he has done to other Islamic clerics but couldn't get him. Even the hitherto vocal chairman of the Supreme Council for Sharia Dr. Datti Ahmed was bribed and compromised by Shekarau when the former insisted on exposing the killers of the cleric. Since then, Dr. Datti remained quiet and abandoned the struggle.[/b]
In fact, among all the national dailies in Nigeria particularly the northern based ones, only the Desert Herald newspaper that was bold enough to criticize the Kano State Governor and the Nigerian Police Force regarding the assasiantion of late Sheikh Ja’afar. The recent edition of Desert Herald which were cleverly indirect because of the dictatorial and murderous tendencies of the government, shows clearly the people that were responsible for the murder of Sheikh Ja’afar. Nigeria is the only country where leaders will commit all kinds of crimes openly yet the people will be afraid to say the truth because of fear or greed. As clearly demonstrated in the confessional statement below, the contract for the assassination of Sheikh Ja’afar Mahmud Adam was awarded to one Alhaji Abba Gana by Governor Ibrahim Shekarau at the cost of one hundred million naira. It was Alhaji Abba Gana that contracted one Mallam Tijjani Garba who was already widely known as a hired killer by the police authorities to execute the plot at the cost of fifty million naira. The Job was successfully carried out by Tijjani Garba but the police under the then leadership of Mr. Sunday Ehindero uncovered the plot after it was executed and threatened to expose the scandal if Governor Shekarau failed to under take a bargain. It was monetary as well as a political bargain. And the former president Olusegun Obasanjo was fully involved and co-opted.Nigerian Police Force


When Governor Shekarau leant that Tijjani Garba have made a confessional statement in the force headquarters and incriminated him, he immediately contacted Chief Olusegun Obasanjo and began to penetrate the force Headquarters through his ADC. We reliably gathered that Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau gave another sum of one hundred million naira through his ADC to Mr. Ehindero to destroy all incriminating confession and documents that showed his involvement and to thereafter frustrate the case.

Chief Obasanjo was also approached by Shekarau to assist in killing the case. it is a well known fact in security circles that the former president who was directly or indirectly involved in the assassinations of Chief Bola Ige, Harry Marshal and Chief Chuba Okadigbo. He demanded Shekarau to ensure that Umaru Musa Yar’Adua won the 2007 presidential election in Kano by all means as a condition of his intervention. Chief Obasanjo out rightly told Shekarau that he must ensure that General Muhammadu Buhari is defeated in Kano and asked the governor to decamp to the PDP. While the governor pleaded no to do the latter, he accepted and work vigorously against General Buhari at the presidential polls. We can also authoritatively report that Governor Shekarau because of similar reason also accepted to fund the Yar’Adua Campaign including printing and placement of bill boards. That was the reason he went against General Buhari and not because of his disagreement with the former General as he claimed in interviews.

Alhaji Abba Gana who was directly contracted by Governor Shekarau to kill Sheikh Ja’afar and who subsequently contracted the job to an expert, Tijjani Garba, also handles Shekarau’s illegal businesses. Abba Gana was once arrested in London with the sum of ten million pounds belonging to Governor Shekarau on his way to deposit the money at HSBC Bank London and Royal Bank of Scotland. The money laundering scandal was later referred to Nigeria but the police took advantage of the situation, benefited immensely and frustrated the case. It was among the reasons the then Chairman of the EFCC, Mallam Nuhu Ribadu indicted and disqualified Shekarau but he was eventually rescued by Chief Obasanjo because of the sealed deal of ensuring Yar'Adua's victory in Kano by all means.

Governor Ibrahim Shekarau is believed to have diverted over thirty billon naira belonging to the Kano State Government and through the local Government Joint Account in Six years through fraudulent programmes like the Hisbah and A Daidaita Sahu. While he has also generated billions of naira internally, what he had done so far is not commensurate with the billions of naira he has collected. He had become so dictatorial, autocratic and deceptive over the years.

What remains to be seen is serious efforts by the Nigerian authorities to investigate the Volume of allegations and confessional statements which openly confesses the involvement of Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau in brutal murder of Sheikh Ja’afar . May be not in the present dispensation because President Yar’Aua has not yet commenced even the process of doing justice to the innocent souls of imminent Nigerians like Dr. Chuba Okadigbo, Chief Harry Marshal, Sheikh Ja’afar Mahmud Adam and Chief Bola Ige that were snuffed out by his predecessor. Being a beneficiary of Shekarau's largesse coupled with the electoral fraud in his favour in Kano, Yar'Adua is also not likely to investigate Shekarau's glaring involment in the murder of Sheikh Ja'afar.

But from the evidence so far before the Nigerian Police and which were distorted, the present Kano State Governor, Mallam Ibrahim Shekarau is the masterminder of Sheikh Ja’afar Mahmud Adam’s assassination and it was purely for political reasons. But for how long will he remain as the governor of Kano State? Watch out for more details.

*Citizen Reports are not directly investigated, verified or vetted by Saharareporters

http://www.saharareporters.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2331:revealed-how-gov-shekarau-plotted-the-assasination-of-sheikh-jaafar&catid=42:exclusive&Itemid=160

~Lady~:
Also the compulsory muslims prayer derives from the Christian prayer, I bet you guys didn't know there is something called Christian prayer. Some of you may want to make a big deal out of this, but keep in mind that the Catholic church has existed since Christ and that when islam came to be, the Catholic Church was the only "church" (body of Christ) and it was our practices that muhammad copied for the muslims. There is Christian prayer and it is called The Liturgy of the Hours. This prayer is prayed every three hours in full, and at certain times, and is the prayer of the Church after the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, it is also called The Office, the prayer was a compulsory prayer among the Christians, mostly the clergy, but the lay too prayed it, and it is still prayed till this day. It does sound familiar doesn't it. So no muslims are not more religious than Christians, and Christians are not more religious than muslims. Each are equally religious in their own right.

I am sorry but this sounds like a fairy tale to be honest.

There is a difference between supplication and praying in islam. Supplication is when you ask God for sumthin and muslims can do this any damn time. The fixed pryer is an act of worship that involve bowing and prostraion is what we do at specific times.

Frankly speaking if you had said the muslim manner of praying which iinvolves prostrations and falling on ones face is not new but was done by other prophets of god (Joshua5 v7, Nehimiah 8, Mathew 26 v 39) i would have said wonderful but saying it is copied from catholism is simply false. Prophet muhammed (PBUH) never copied the prayer from catholism in the least.

@Topic

It is difficult to say this as the faiths have different mode of worship. In islam your life is guided by it in every damn aspect from finance to family, from business to using the toilet there are sets of guidance for which some might called rulings.

What will be the punishment for a catholic burning a pentecostal church

or an atheist burning churches

or traditionalist that burn churches

He should use valium or Nytol then silly man !!!!!!

Chai my sweet lagos don dey become better day by day. Lagos shall be great again and regain its rightful place among the great cities of the world. We shall develop lagos to the level of Dubai and Tokyo !!!!

tocdee:
These comments show how little of football people know. EVERY team has an off-day. Liverpool were poor by their standards but that's only their first home-loss in over a year. Arsenal were beaten at home by Hull, Liverpool by Chelsea, Man Utd by Liverpool, and Chelsea by Liverpool. That's why its a beautiful game.

There is nothing about knowing football. Chelsea hammered Liverpool and that is a fact, the sameway Liverpool hammered Man u. So wot d fuss abt knowing football in the comments.

From my statement it is so obvious i have a beef for Liverpool cos i am a fan of another club (Arsenal FC) so whats the fuss about.

If Benitz pull a 4 - 0 victory at stamford bridge then i would respect him for life!!!

What do u guys think abt an Arsenal v Barcelona/Chelsea final .

switch47:
since i dont see chelsea getting to the final---arsenal - liverpool/ barca is possible in the final!!

my guy u betta wake to reality , I am not a chelsea fan but i am more than sure they are in the semis already. liverpool need to win 3 - 0 at stamford bridge togo through and i dont see that happening . If Benitez could pull that through then he would have my respect for life.

@Purestboy.

This is a false statement you heard.

Muslims go to Meccah for pilgrimage and in fulfilling the 5th pillar of islam. The riual rites in Meccah symbolises the events that happened between Ibraheem (AS) , his wife Hagar (AS) and son Ishmael (AS) . The jamrat (stoning) is a symbolic stoning to reflect the location in which satan tempted Abraham and he pelted the devil with stones.
The devil is a jinn in islam and he can move anywhere and we do not say in the least that the devil is located at the places of jamarat. It is a symbolic stoning period.

[/quote]THISDAY learnt that Yar’Adua told the board that his plan was to use two years to properly study the situation on ground in the country and use six years to implement his programmes.[quote]

It is only in Nigeria thats this statement is possible. foolish statement