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@hakunajay

Though i'm not a member of JW, I do like them and i also noticed some of these flaws you have mentioned. All churches or christian organisation has their own flaws, catholics, redeem, anglican, methodist and so on. This was actually why the bible advised us to 'test all spirits and hold forth to that which is good'. I have no hatred or disregard for any christian organisation, just that i always try to dig deep into their doctrines and look for any errors. Lest i forget, i attend God's Kingdom Society. Though we share some doctrines with JW, we also differ in some other things.

Growing up, l noticed your "Society" and l've always wondered what the difference between the two groups, seeing that their name is very similar (the "Kingdom" was a give-away! ) and l learnt your 'society' was a break-away from the J.W's.
Can you educate us further on the differences and why your side broke away from them.

Cheers,
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@ibukun obi:
Please allow me "reproduce the below" on another thread where we (anyone interested) are "civilly discussing" J.W's and their peculiarities.

After Cain killed his brother Abel, Jehovah told Cain: “Your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground.” (Genesis 4:10) When God spoke of Abel’s blood, he was speaking of Abel’s life. Cain had taken Abel’s life, and now Cain would have to be punished. It was as if Abel’s blood, or life, were crying out to Jehovah for justice. The connection between life and blood was again shown after the Flood of Noah’s day. Before the Flood, humans ate only fruits, vegetables, grains, and nuts. After the Flood, Jehovah told Noah and his sons: “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you.” However, God set this restriction: “Only flesh with its soul [or, life]—its blood—you must not eat.” (Genesis 1:29; 9:3, 4) Clearly, Jehovah links very closely the life and the blood of a creature.
  We show respect for blood by not eating it. In the Law that Jehovah gave the Israelites, he commanded: “As for any man . . . who in hunting catches a wild beast or a fowl that may be eaten, he must in that case pour its blood out and cover it with dust. . . . I said to the sons of Israel: ‘You must not eat the blood of any sort of flesh.’” (Leviticus 17:13, 14) God’s command not to eat animal blood, first given to Noah some 800 years earlier, was still in force. Jehovah’s view was clear: His servants could eat animal meat but not the blood. They were to pour the blood on the ground—in effect, returning the creature’s life to God.
   A similar command rests upon Christians. The apostles and other men taking the lead among Jesus’ followers in the first century met together to decide what commands had to be obeyed by all in the Christian congregation. They came to this conclusion: “The holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things, to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled [leaving the blood in the meat] and from fornication.” (Acts 15:28, 29; 21:25) So we must ‘keep abstaining from blood.’ In God’s eyes, our doing that is as important as our avoiding idolatry and intimate immorality.

This is our thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-720107.99999.html#msg8781792

Thanks in anticipation!

Thanks "everyone' that have contributed so far.
I particularly commend the "level of decorum" we have all displayed,.,.,.so far! (l pray the "you're a mofo, a low-life, e.t.c., crowd will miss this one!)

I will give a response in the evening when l am rested from todays "ups and downs"!

But in a jiffy, @Lagosshia.

The thread you referred has a very different context to this one.
That one wants to "prove" that the J.W is the "only acceptable religion" ! I guess only a J.W will buy that moreover, we cant even "prove or disprove" that claim!

Here, we are simply concerned at x-raying the practices, assumptions, misconceptions, likes and dislikes of the "group".
You can take sides (politely) but we will not pass a verdict of such magnitude!
[b]
Ours is more of an "exercise in observation" [/b]and J.W's (or any fan of theirs) too can buttress or nullify an "assumption!

But allow me to catch some rest and we will jaw-jaw over it, together with the other peeps.

Cheers.

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"Beware of the Greeks American/Europeans, especially when they come, bearing Gifts"!


Next is, they will give us "humanitarian protection", like they are giving in Libya right now!

Abegii, carry your wahala go, abegiiii!

Pastoral Preachings!

Everyone is competent and expected to “preach and educate” other members in a J.W meeting/church service.

They simply give out the “topic”, you do the homework (with assistance from more knowledgeable brothers) and you come and deliver it to the whole assembly, to the best of your ability.

This has a lot of benefits to the members and the “preacher” person, most of all, it builds the person spiritually and mentally.

Contrast this with other mainstream churches where it’s a “one-man-show” who preaches day-in, day-out and even on days he has nothing tangible to say but waffles meaninglessly (and boringly too!) back and forth with the occasional sprinkling of “God just told me now” or “God just put it into my heart what l should say now” but of course, we know he is just telling us that he is unprepared for today’s sermon!

I dislike the fact that J.W’s seems unconcerned about anything “political or governance in nature”.
They claim their government or interest, like Christ, is not of this “wacked system of things”!

I disagree because they are part and parcel of the “wacked system”, it affects them and their household, it affects their Ministry too.
Did someone not say “we die the day we remain silent in the presence of Evil”?

Are the J.W’s dead? Did Jesus Christ himself not “get involved” and clean the stables when charlatans were trying to take over the church? Why did he not just fold his hands and proclaim: My government is not of this world, do whatever you like?

Did he not contribute his tax, did he not lay down rules, teach and take “affirmative actions” by ‘alleviating people’s problems’ healing them, providing food for the masses, nurturing both their spiritual and physical needs (Something like a councilor or LGA chairman would do in todays settings).

J.W’s are rather too focused on the spiritual needs while neglecting the physical needs of people; that is what this “we are not part of this world and therefore will not contribute to “leadership and human management” in our environment, (which is what “Politics” is all about) is. (or should be about!).
If good people run away from politics, why should they then complain about "Odechukwu" or Alao Akala (a.k.a Soyoyo! ) or Tinubu a.k.a god-father Mafioso or Ojuyo'bo!? ) If roads are paved and good, wont they get to the Assembly ground safely and on time?
*If Hospitals are well equipped, wont their delivering Mothers face less risk and wont it further help them to void "taking blood" ?
*If food is acheap and affordable, wont their wards be better nourished?
*That Generator noise that makes them close the doors and windows on one side of the meeting hall could have been history if "NEPA" had not been looted blind by those they left the till for! l mean those of this world/Christendom!

As long as you're human in the midst of other humans, you dont just talk "the talk", you walk "the walk"!

Aaah, its late, got to catch some sleep before its day break!

Cheers to all, may tomorrow be better than today, IJN.

MUSIC, DANCE AND JAZZY!

I dislike the fact their “meetings” can, not even occasionally, get very boring! Even more boring is their “song of praises” (more like a recitation of some sorts!).
They don’t dance to their songs, of course, its not musical at all and will fit more in a burial service; no drums, no guitar, no cymbals, just one “concerto piano which can get off-key at times!
Wetin, na una kill Jezuus?
Whats wrong with dancing and rolling on the floor, just for your creator?

But the main stream churches really give meaning to the phrase that “God does not need anything else from us except dancing and praises”. One of the reason l could not become a J.W is that l love “praise & worship songs”, it moves my spirit.

If that is the only thing l gain in church in a day, l am happy with myself.
Even “bad-boy” David (father of Solomon in the Bible) knew the advantages of singing and dancing unto God and he actually has “taken advantage” of God on a few occasion, using these “key” (you can read it as “weakness”, in our own material world).
He will just play music to Jehovah and [b]l can imagine Baba-God himself, smiling and saying “You naughty boy, now you’re pressing my soft button! Go away and sin no more”![/b]

This is one thing l think in my own opinion, J.W’s are missing and they don’t even know it!

I also appreciate the fact that J.W’s have not cluttered their ‘Ministry’ with often fictitious embellishments of “healing and miracle” as is the case in most of these prosperity churches.
They have sick people and they have poor people amongst them but l have not for once hear them “organize a revival” promising miracle healing and sudden wealth but then, l am also aware that they don’t have the highest mortality rate and neither can we rate them as the “poorest” in this country!

You can go to a J.W hall meeting without a farden in your pocket or just ten naira only, no one would harass you or look down on you for daring “the lord” with coins!
You would not be scared and swamped with invectives about how “a devourer will enter your purse” if you contribute “chicken-change” in church on Sunday but our dear main stream churches have completely outlawed “lean times” and the fear l have seen some exercise, just because they don’t have enough to contribute in church on Sunday (some would actually prefer to stay home that face such humiliation) is mind-bending.

I just dey come again!
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Most of all, l love the fact that they actually “take time to dig deep and study the Bible”, even the smallest 6yr old J.W kid will floor most Pastors of any main stream church, by their in-depth knowledge of the word of God; The Bible! Check out the boldness with which even these young ones can face any size of audience and you will marvel.


l love the Awake magazine, its very informative but l am aware that they have reduced the urgency with which they “market “ their magazines nowadays (Guess they are responding to the reality of the recession as well!). I dislike the “The Watch Tower “ magazine to some extent, it mostly used in propaganda though almost all Christian churches have woken up to such style but and even The Redeem Church has “propaganda books” for as little as our 5yr olds!

Have you been to their “Kingdom Hall” (Church) before, even as a first timer?
They would “acknowledge you personally by shaking your hand”, from the "Elders" to the 5yr old who sees it as normal tradition .
They will try their best to make you feel welcomed and even call you “Brother or Sister” but have you attended one of our main stream churches as a first timer?
Except where they ask you to raise your hand if this is your first time (The J.W’s know themselves so much that a first timer would stand out like a sore thumb!), you are virtually non-existent afterwards and l know peeps who have regularly attended a particular Church for more than one year and they are still strangers to each other in that church!
They don’t just give a hoot!

(Am l being biased here? You be the judge)

Ofcourse, if you are "loaded", its just a matter of weeks before you get “recognized and elevated to the front seat!, and you could become a Deacon in a twinkle of an eye!

In the J.W hall, anyone can seat anywhere, no “high-seat” for the rich and mighty! I still remembered that some decades ago, l reluctantly followed my old peeps to the J.W assembly at Sango Otta in Ogun state and there sitting beside me on the “floor and wooden bench” was one of those considered “rich” in those days, one Oshopey man who had this Oshpey Industries somewhere around Palm-Groove/Onipanu axis of Lagos!

I attend redeem church right now and in my local church, we have these “executive, very cushioned and confy chairs” (about five) that only the Pastor, his wife and two or three close pals can seat on! That is what l call segregation, in the house of God!
Let us know, how is it in your own church about this "special seats"?

Cheers, l dey come!
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Are there things l don’t agree with, in the J.W’s doctrines, of course, they are many!

For example, if you study or showed interest or even get baptized as one of them and then later on, you discovered that they have some “untenable positions” in their doctrine and for such, you would like to attend other churches (aside their Kingdom Hall), they will quickly append you with this derogatory term: “Backslider”!

Another is “dusting their feet-off" at the doors of people who don’t want to attend or listen to them!

From Bible account, this is supposed to be a sort of “curse” on that household!
I marvel, why would a “Christian” want to put a curse on another Christian, simply because they don’t agree with your doctrine (Though more importantly, the Bible also says “Curse without reason shall not land”!).

I see it as not exhibiting the spirit of Christ who preached forgiveness and tolerance.
I recall that God blessed Solomon because “He did not asked for the death of his enemies”, when God gave him the freedom to ask for “anything he wished”. That is a worthy “Christian example”.

*I love their persistence and their “going from door to door” as commanded in the Bible.

*I love the fact that they have not made “money and prosperity” the center of their Ministry, unlike other Christian Churches.

*I love the fact that they adhere to the Biblical principle of giving in secrecy, such that your right hand does not know what your left hand gives”; Unlike our current main-stream Churches who will force, threaten and invoke hell-fire, just to empty your pockets and if you prove stubborn, they will ostracize you and remind you that “all your problems are caused because you dont give enough to the church; like who does not have challenges? Even Jesus did!

LIKES AND DISLIKES

CHRISTIAN GROUP, SECT OR CULT?
Okay, there are a few things l disagree or dislike with Jehovah's Witness "Group". I am tempted to use the phrase "Sect", others have used the phrase "Cult" but l think that is derogatory so, l wont use it. I will leave the judgement "open" on that.

What is a "Sect"? What is a "Cult".
These are English words and using their definition, we can examine the J.W's and see if they "fit-in" to those definitions.

Here is one:

CULT: A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult?oldid=0

Here is two:

The specific Christian definition of a cult is “a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.” In simpler terms, a cult is a group that teaches something that will cause a person to remain unsaved if he/she believes it. As distinct from a religion, a cult is a group that claims to be part of the religion, yet denies essential truth(s) of that religion. A Christian cult is a group that denies one or more of the fundamental truths of Christianity, while still claiming to be Christian.

Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/cult-definition.html

Just two examples for now.
Question: Do J.W's fit into these definitions? You be the judge.

For simplicity, l will stick to my use of the phrase "Group" to define them.
l must ask: Even as they are Christians and would not consider other Christians as Christians, (they call others “ Christiandom”), if they would not accept others as equal and forbid marriage between them (as Christians) and others as “christiandoms”, do they fit the definition of a Cult? Do they have the right to call others "Christiandoms" while arrogating to themselves "Christians"? Who call is this?


BIRTHDAYS

As it relates Birthday celebrations, the “excuse” they give (Jesus never celebrated his birthday, Peter’s head was cut-off during such a Birthday celebrations), are myopic, in my own opinion.
Every Birthday does not and did not end that way!
In fact, such celebrations can be used for good or evil, just like the J.W’s festivals at Igeduma or Sango-Otta in those days, can be used for good or evil!
It is not the Birthday that was wrong, it is the way it was celebrated, back then!
Is it then a case of "moral persuasion" not to celebrate Birthdays or a "biblical injunction"?

if it is the later, it is sacrosanct but if it is the former, then it is only obligatory but not a requirement and therefore, not binding!

Cheers, Lastpage

They wont be raptured!

Again, the Bible says “The meek will inherit the earth” (Book of Psalms!)

If J.W’s believe they are “meek”, don’t they have a right to lay claim to that prophecy?
For those that also believe they will be raptured to heaven, you equally have a right to lay claim to such belief!
No need to badger each other on that?

Issues that will come under this have to do with "the little flock" and the "big flock or multitude" that the Bible talked about.
Other issues that would come into play are the 'Last Supper", those who can partake of it, why everybody cant (unlike how it is done in Catholic and other Christian churches like Redeem, where everyone eats it), the 144,000 and their significance.

There isn’t enough space and time to start examining how true or genuine each of those “beliefs” is, I wont want to just "skim" it as it is very important but lets leave that till another day or someone else can pick it up from here.

DONT "EAT" BLOOD

Yes, the Bible asks Christians not to “eat blood” (Leviticus 7: 26.).

So, l guess the question is “How can one eat blood”?
You could eat it directly by “ingestion” (direct drinking, as part of a mixture of drinks, a part of ingredients used to prepare food, e.t.c).

What about “indirectly”? Only an analogy would explain this: If for example, your Doctors says you should not ‘take/eat cocaine’, as it is bad for your health; You then refrain from snorting it through your nose, drinking tea from coca leaves but you say, l am free to inject it into my body using a Syringe & needle.
Question is: Would you suffer the same consequence as if you actually used the other method?
The answer is of-course YES! Thus, we can see that “blood transfusion” is not different from “eating blood” as it were.
This is why J.W people refuse blood transfusion.
May l add that there are “well researched blood expanders” that are not from blood but does the “same work” (in terms of clinical rejuvenation) as if you took blood. Thus, they are not actually committing suicide as some would think, there is an alternative moreover, the bigger benefit, not counting the side effects of blood transfusion, is obeying God’s command.


They dont believe in TRINITY
What does Trinity mean? It means that Jesus is the same “physical entity” as God (Jehovah) and it is also the same “physical entity” as The Holy Spirit. 3-in-1, as we usually say!

J.W’s say “There is a God (Jehovah), the Father of Jesus Christ (his Son) and the Holy Spirit is the power by which he comforts/empowers his children.

So, we have two opposing positions but what did the Bible say?

*Bible talks about God “The FATHER” and Jesus Christ “the Son himself” – 1 Corinthians 15: 24, 27-28.
*Jesus sat at the right hand of God ( Mark 16:19. or can anyone sit at the right hand of himself?).
*Jesus (the son) was a physical entity with God (His father). John 1: 1-4.
*Even Jesus himself called God (Jehovah) his Father! ( cant remember the exact place in the Bible, right now! I beg l no be Pastor o! ).
*Jesus said only “His Father” knows when the end will come (Mathew 24: 36).

In all, Christ keeps referring to his “father”, Jehovah God, as a distinct “physically personality “ from himself but in terms of “unity of purpose”, he says “they are one”.

Now, we should not confuse “their unified purpose” with their “different physical personality”.
This is where most churches and peeps make mistake and get confused!
So if Christ himself says “he has a father in heaven”, if Jesus said he will send the “holy spirit” to his disciples when he gets to “his father”, to comfort them in his absence, why do we keep saying this ‘equality and sameness of Trinity” stuff?

Cheers, Lastpage.

Pertinent issues:

They Drink ALCOHOL/BEER!

This one would be very short: I know a lot of places where the Bible “cursed” drunkards (those who linger over wine, those who get intoxicated and loose self control): 1Tim 3: 2-3, Isaiah 5: 11, 22, Proverbs 23: 29 – 35, Proverb 31: 4-7.

Now, every where “wine” is used in the Bible, it is not referring to “Pure Heaven”, it is referring to “Alcoholic wine” (1 Samuel 1: 14), one that is intoxicating and makes one drunk!

The Bible did recommend the consumption of wine in a number of places (1 Tim 5:23).

Jesus himself turned water to wine so the people can make merry!
Thus, J.W. peeps are not committing ANY SIN by drinking alcohol.

They or anyone for that matter would be sinning against God “If we drink to the point of stupor”, point of intoxication or if we get drunk!
In this, it’s a matter of “individual capacity” to tolerate alcohol.
Now, l challenge ANYONE to show me (l neither drink nor smoke but l am interested in the outcome of the result) in the Bible where it says “Thou shall not drink alcohol/wine or where it says if you drink wine/alcohol, you have sinned”. Show me, please. Its like the J.W saying “don’t celebrate birthdays”, it is just a moral posturing corroborated with one or two nasty historical events! Its not always going to be so and its never always so!!

Cheers, Lastpage!

*Are they the only ones serving God? Absolutely NOT!
(Salvation is not by “one’s Denomination, it is by “individual appraisal” at God’s hand.)

*Do they have “excesses and black sheep” within the fold? Absolutely TRUE!

*Can we take one part of the Bible and discard the other parts? Absolutely NOT!

*Are certain things in the Bible left to “individual discretion”? Absolutely YES!

*Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a good Christian organization? Absolutely YES!

*Do they feel superior to other Christians (and this is wrong!)? Absolutely YES!

*Do they have a ‘somehow narrow’ understanding/interpretation of certain biblical doctrines? Absolutely TRUE

*Can we learn a lot from them? Absolutely Yes!

MISCONCEPTIONS
They dont pray using Jesus's name!
They do but start their prayer using and directing it to the father; like this : Jehovah our heavenly father, bla-bla-bla, (and then end it like this), we ask for all these in the name of your only begotten son, Jesus Christ our Lord, Amen (all then chorus Amen)

Notice they dont "repeat the "Amen" at every line of prayer (why? does anyone know why?) but only at the end! Mainstream Christian churches repeat the "Amen" for each line of prayer. Again, why? What does the Bible say about this or what inference can we draw from Biblical accounts?

Good people!
I have been reading this thread and it is educating. Each time l want to reply, something crops up and the reply gets "LONGER".
It was so annoying but l know it will be unfair to "load all that reply" into someone's thread and somehow, the issue is bordering on Religion, more so, on a "Group" that is either most-misunderstood or most disliked: You can choose your pick!

For example, l wanted to explain why J.W's drink Beer without a care!
I wanted to ask why they dont celebrate birthdays but l knew this thread is not about that.

BTW: I am not a J.Witness "member". I have mingled with them very well, for so many years! But l refuse to be a member!
Believe me, for any "group" you willingly join, there are responsibility and obligations you must be prepared to shoulder otherwise, DONT JOIN!

Again:

*Are they the only ones serving God? Absolutely NOT!
(Salvation is not by “one’s Denomination, it is by “individual appraisal” at God’s hand.)

*Do they have “excesses and black sheep” within the fold? Absolutely TRUE!

*Can we take one part of the Bible and discard the other parts? Absolutely NOT!

*Are certain things in the Bible left to “individual discretion”? Absolutely YES!

*Are Jehovah’s Witnesses a good Christian organization? Absolutely YES!

*Do they feel superior to other Christians (and this is wrong!)? Absolutely YES!

*Do they have a ‘somehow narrow’ understanding/interpretation of certain biblical doctrines? Absolutely TRUE

*Can we learn a lot from them? Absolutely Yes!

I have created a "fresh thread" to discuss the "Jehovah's Witness" Group of Christians, the likes, dislikes and misconceptions "as l see them" over here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-720107.0.html#msg8781792

Please fell free to make your contributions and dont forget to "tell us if you're a member" or just an "independent observer" like me!

I was reading an innocent thread about someone who was wondering whether to marry a Jehovah's Witness (J.W) lady, himself not been one. I did not want to derail the thread but wanted to "air my views" and encourage others to openly air their views too, about the Jehovah's Witnesses as a Christian group, what you like about them, what you dislike about them and so on.

Its not and endorsement or otherwise, (like they need one anyway!) but just an avenue to "discuss, vent and appraise" everything you think about the "group". I have attended their services very well and l have attended other church organizations as well, in my own search for "that which is better, if not perfect".
Please, lets make it civil. That will be well appreciated so we can focus

Here is my take:

I would suggest that EVERYONE tell us before hand, their own religious denomination(Xtian, Islam, J.W, e.t.c).
If you’re a J.W. let us be able to “situate your comment” in that context. It is a fact that the way a J.W will ‘talk’ about his/her denomination would not be the same, when a “Redeemer or Catholic” (for example) is the one doing the talking.

Having said, I am NOT “a baptized” Jehovah’s Witness but l have mingled with them at ‘close quarters’ for over twenty years because my parents are one of them! I have attended all meetings you can imagine, from Igeduma to Sango-Otta bi-annual festivals. I have attended the Lords supper and l have spent countless hours “drilling them” when they come have Bible studies with me. I did all these because l felt “knowledge is important” especially that which concerns your spirituality.

I will break this into "short briefs" so as to address issues with "attention span" that occur when write-ups get lenghty and as we all know, all lengthyof religion are "long thing"!

I will address a few "misconceptions/pertinent issues" first. Why? Peeps seem to focus on such things the most.
Next, l will address a few "likes and dislikes" l have for them, in a comparative manner.

Cheers and good reading.

BTW: Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we can all live with that in a responsible way.

@Sagamite

Since we have Silver Back Gorilla, Odechukwu Jonathan as president, I bet he will not order an investigation (or at least a questioning interview) into how a life time public official can afford to pay £70m (circa £300K) on just ONE TRANSACTION when his salary can not have been over £20K on average over his career!

Dont you think that if not for any other thing, being a comparatively older man (your Dad's age), The "sitting" President of a sovereign country and that country is your country of origin, NIGERIA, you should not go about being so "openly insulting" to his person?

You may have "issues of governance" with him and you can voice them without the insults, especially the personal type of insults?
The looting was not even about him, it was about Sir Mike Okiro!

BTW: Would you write the same insults "online" of Cameron, the British P.M.?
I've seen Brits criticize him, especially of recent with the hacking scandals but not in this kind of debased, gutter stuff some Nigerians just spew out daily! Just a suggestion.

This is not an invitation to "download all the grammatical insults" you can find, l wont even respond afterall, l am not "bigger or better respected" than the President of a country of 150Million peeps, so calm down and "self-regulate yourself".

^^^^^At least, he has a "good word" for his estranged wife!
Lets wait and see/hear what she would call him, when she comes out with her own side of the story!

Lets hope it will sound like "Frank was a dedicated father to his kids" or something like "He is a woman beater and monster to the core"!

You know women naaah? its only when its rosy

By the way, this is not a laughing matter.
For a man (and l know Frank is a serious man) to put EVERYTHING ON A SCALE, including the three children and decide that "the center can no longer hold", believe me, it wasn't a hasty decision.

Being a Public figure, it is better he makes it public BY HIMSELF than allow the rumor mills or those useless soft-sell papers to make a killing, with their own twist to it! And what better avenue than Twitter or FaceBook?

Now, l would rather a man divorce his wife, than be provoked daily, into beating her (and be labelled wife beater) or get himself/herself killed in the process of "in na manage eeba".

Such is life, at times, no one can help it. I hope they both find the happiness they so deserved, AFTERWARDS!
And l hope they would not "use the kids as "pawns/weapons", to spite each other (standard procedure, if na abroad!)

The Met Police have confirmed that she died from an Over-dose of drugs!

I just hope we all learn one or two things from her "life story".

Too much of ANYTHING is BAD


O'dikwa dangerous!

Life is short, make the best of it, while you can! (that is, if you can remain sober! )

R.I.P Amy! Next time, please dont say "Noo-Noo-No".

"And when you see these things happening, No that THE END has come"!

The "end" of that contraption called NIGERIA!

Please, bring it on, what we fail to achieve at the round table, we can achieve, even faster, with bombs and bullets!
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.And there would be light (Peace) after the darkest hour of dawn (the kabumms and booms)

Either way, we split! Chikenna

First,let us not be mislead into believing that silly "coffin" that came-in around October 2010, YAR ADUA WAS LONG DEAD BEFORE THEN!

With time, we will begin to see the ruse and extent of cover-up they designed, just to ensure power remained among the Northerners.

Does anyone still remember all those Stewpid religious leaders who said they saw him doing "arm-wrestling" and running 100M relay?
Bloody spiritual dupes!

Again, if Yayale himself is accepting that he was made "Acting President", by the late President, then he should be charged for sedition and subversion of the Constitution, knowing for fact, that it was a wrong thing to do.

Ahmed Yayale should be tried and sentenced accordingly: 30yrs with hard labor!

I bet he would be one of those causing panic and making the nation ungovernable now!

All the "closet" Boko Harram sponsors will get exposed, bit-by-bit.

If a "Deputy Commissioner of POLICE" can buy a land and pay a DEPOSIT of #70Million, while in active duty, how come we are surprised that Policemen "rent guns" to armed robbers?

In saner climes, this kind of revelation is enough to put Mr. Okiro in jail FOR LIFE but not in Nigeria!
Next you will hear is that he is contesting for state Governor!

And we still wonder why Nigeria can NEVER experience any meaningful development, even in 2099!
Till Christ come sef
(shakes head and spits on the thief's picture)

Impressed by the submissions of the CBN boss, the Deputy Speaker, Emeka Ihedioha, who presided over the session expressed appreciation for the enlightenment provided by Sanusi on the two issues and declared that the motive for the invitation had been achieved.

Ihedioha said: “A number of us or all of us are satisfied with your presentation. We are better enlightened now on the issues.”

Anytime there is a "dirty deal" to be made, guess where 'they go'?

Reminds one of the Nzeribe and Chukwumerije era!

I guess until the "process and procedure" for RECALLING these irritant lawmakers is properly detailed and documented, we shall continue to have this kind of democracy devoid of representation! mtchew

Well, Siena was right afterall, for breaking the leg of that never-do-well!

From what l gather from this article, it is called REASONABLE USE OF FORCE TO PROTECT YOU & YOUR FAMILY! (Is his car not part of his family? Mind your sef joo )

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/no-charge-homeowner-over-burglar-stabbing-102227647.html

By the way, l look forward to the day when we are allowed to carry 'legally' fire-arms to defend our family in our homes, when th e'bad boys" come calling! That should be a natural thing, l think?

Wait a minute!

The inmates are still running the Nigerian asylum.

According to Mr Babalakin "There’s nobody who wants to give out money. This road was given to Nigerian Banks to finance; Nigerian Banks don’t have a long-term contract. We were holding meetings upon meetings, but you discover that all they can give is money for a year or two years and what you need is money for 15 years".

@Reference

Well if Bi-Courtney defaults on payments on MM2 why doesn't the banks take it over. That is a silly excuse. Banks have failed period. I am not holding forth for Bi-Courtney but who in his right mind will see a project that could potentially generate millions daily and not move on it.

I think we should inject some "logic" into our arguments.

1.) To bid for a project, you would have done your own due diligence:
a) secured source of funding for the project: Did Bablakin and his Bi-Courtney do this? How come he is running from pillar-to-post now?
b) evaluation of cost and benefits, challenges, a sort of SWOT analysis. Whats the story about witches and wizards now?

2) To actually "win the bid", your bid must be the best, in-terms of ROI to you and the government
a) Was this bid won on bribery of government officials?
b) Did those who awarded the project to Babalakin' Bi-Courtney not know that he has not "secured" the required funding from anywhere?
c) Are they not aware of his reputation as a perpetual bank loan defaulter, hence no bank wants to loan him money?

As regards the MMA terminal mentioned above, the Banks actually tried to "seize" the project so they can complete it and recoup their money back but the management of FAAN was "alleged" to be demanding for a "kick-back" of 60 Million Naira! from the banks, before that can be allowed. (Pls Note: I used the word "alleged" as was stated)

("Reference" in particular should take note. They tried and you're wrong for saying they did not. )

The issue raised about Julius Berger begs attention
In as much as l will like our resources to remain within our shores and our local companies encouraged, anyone with a fair perspective on things would agree that "You can easily identify any road, done by Julius Berger"! The standard is there for all to see. J.Berger did not go to Prayer city to seek "prayers against some spiritual demons" before completing their job, they did not complain about Nigerian banks; THEY JUST DID THE JOB THEY WON. Simple.

Concerning Nigerian Banks:
Its a business and they are there to maximize shareholder's profit, not play "father-Christmas" to some embezzling outfit like Bi-Courtney!
If any of you are shareholders of these banks, would you like your share profit/dividend to become zilch just because you want to "help" Babalakin to build road? C'mmon, be honest!!.

I can predict that the South African Bank will not give him the money on a platter of gold, if they will at all.
*Why should he be the winner of a bid, when he has no money to finance the bid?
*Why was the bid not revoked when it was obvious he cannot provide funding? is it until 5,000 more souls are lost on that road?
*Why has the project not been awarded to another reputable company that can find and provide funding?
*What has "Adeboye" got to do with this? Is he lending money to the project or is he just providing "Spiritual P.R" so as to further hoodwink our people?
*What has Papa Adeboye has to say about the "start-work, stop-work" that has been going-on in the last 8yrs, on that road? Does it take 8yreas to "banish those demons" that are "stopping the work" on that all-important road? Na waaO!
*Why did Pastor Adeboye not "openly" tell this Babalakin of a guy, the home truth? Why is he not always telling "thieves" that come to him for spiritual certification, some open, home truths? Maybe he has been telling them but we are not hearing about it neither are we seeing any positive results!
*Why does Babalakin want to "widen" a 3-lane road, to a 3-lane Road again or is someone playing funny here?

Having said all the above, l make bold to say that it is the responsibility of GOVERNMENT to take charge, when it concerns massive projects.
If the "private sector" is afraid for its money, IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALSO AFRAID FOR ITS CRUDE OIL RECEIPTS?

Its simple, give the shitty road to Julius Berger or any other reputable firm (Not Babalakin's Bi-Courtney with their lousy reputation) to build.
Two things:
1) Let the firm source the funding from anywhere, just build a standard 4-lane road, both ways.
2) If that wont happen, Govt should fun the project and in both cases, put a Toll plaza on it.
"Users" will pay for the cost of the road in less than 10years and all this noise and spiritual intervention stupidity would be over!

No rocket-science or why are we incapable of managing "basic little" things?

Hmmm.,.,., Woe-man inhumanity to man! Its really sad, such defenseless creatures like children need to be well looked after.

Now that the "emotions" have run their full course, a few things struck my attention and l will raise them here:

@doctokwus

What of d new husband people, nobody has questioned his role in dis.Behind every devilish woman deres an insane man.Mayb dey both felt he's d 'witch' of dere misfortunes,being from akwa ibom,were all kids are presumed witches until Confessed by death!

1.) Throughout the "story" anyone would have noticed the implicit "shifting of blame and responsibility" by the woman (and some posters here sef!) to THE MEN!
Its either it was her current husband's fault or the fault of her new husband who by the way is in South Africa when this was happening!

The question we should ask is:

a) If she had a turbulent relationship with her first husband, is it a must that she must "vent anger on an innocent child" who has no-hand in the matter? Why not look for a way to "suffer" that husband, as is usually the case?

b)  her claim that her second husband does not want to see the child (and thats why she wants to kill him!) is completely "hogwash excuse" as in such case, it is that man that would have been violent towards that child but she never made any claim of him been violent towards the child but rather it was her, his mother!

c) If the first husband was "abusive" as she is claiming, now that he is gone and out of the picture, why is this kind of wickedness still on-going? Does that not even give credence to the suspicion that she is the "violent person" in that previous relationship and that her violence could actually be what killed that her first marriage?

d)Looking at the wounds, they are recent and repeated. Could this woman not have relocated the child to another family member, if his presence is affecting her new relationship?

d) Could it be that the truth is that she actually wanted to get-rid of "all traces and evidence" of her previous relationship (and this boy ain't going away that quickly!) so that she can now "appear" fresh and sisi-eko? Is that enough excuse, to treat a child like this?

Let it be known that "all human, man or woman, are equally capable of evil and trying to shift the blame, burden or excuse for one's wickedness, shows how crafty and cunning some women have become"! Every Evil MUST be blamed or traceable to a MAN!

Now, some have suggested locking her up for years, breaking her head, or even killing her!

I say this is completely unnecessary!.

All she needs is "counseling" by matured people.
Make her see why it is wrong ( l am sure she knows) to treat a child this way.
Punish her a bit (verbal scolding and threats of jail if it happens again), should be enough, remember, we cannot give the boy another mother!

The boy should be removed from her "presence" until she feels she really and desperately wants the boy back (an begs for it).

My thinking is that, "Of what benefit is it to the boy (now and in later years) , if his mother is sent to jail on his account"?

Like one spouse being sen to jail for another in cases of "domestic violence" (l know women will say its okay as long as its a man that goes to jail   ), it will only make a "broken relationship worse and irredeemable".

Mark you, the mother must feel remorse for what she has done but its not killing or jailing her that builds remorse, it is "the realization and acceptance of having done wrong", through counselling!

Again, we all seem to assume that "parenting skills" come naturally?
Not true, especially for a woman who "produced a child" at 19yrs, when she was still maturing!
Simply put, she was not matured enough to deal with her situation and she vented her anger on the child.
So, what she need is "training and teaching" as regards "how to be a good parent".

Same goes for men (and school teachers) who beat children excessively;
It is not how vicious the 'canning is", that makes the child learn the lesson or change, it is the "gentle and loving talk, the explanation that comes before you even raise the cane", that gets into a child's inner-core. As a very matured parent, l know this.
I hope this will help other parents in similar circumstances.

Until we hear from her husband (current and former), l think it is foolish to  heap blame on them, just because she "uses them as a convenient excuse"  or did they "program her" to be wicked to her child? Nonsense.

BTW: Did anyon notice she is carrying "another baby" on her back? Wish we could examine his/her body for evidence of abuse (or not), it could shed more light on how her mind works towards her children.

Am sure the Poster herself must be having a good laugh seeing how insulting and sometimes uncouth, our Naija ladies are to each other! Wetin?

Yeah, thats what we gat to live with, ourselves!

@poster: Relax and enjoy life with your man;
otherwise, like "quicksand", the only way you'll go is "down-down"! Cheers.

^^^^^My Insurance company installed "a tracking system" in my car as part of the comprehensive insurance package l did with them.

Would it not be good for ya if you work with them or how do l pay for something l can get "for free" (as part of the package ofcourse!) from them?

Or do you offer a particular "selling point" that differentiate yours and gives me a better advantage?

Dont mind me joo, l was just wondering aloud!

Dont lets get gray hairs about Sanusi, he will "vacate" at the last minute, MARK MY WORDS!

Does anyone remember that when Mallam Ribadu was head of EFCC and all efforts to remove him failed, how our nice and courageous government sponsored him to a grade-A course in KURU?

Well "Mallam" Sanusi would soon become "Dr. Mallam Sanusi", by the time we send him on a PHD program in Afghanistan!
It will last for another four years and when he returns, he will "resign" voluntarily!

S-I-M-P-L-E-S!
The good things of life are "simples"!

I guess some "O.C in-charge" had removed you bumper in an effort to use it to deflect bullets!
And the mechanic nearby paid a few quid for it!

Sorry about your experience.
The Police are one of is the major "Obstacle" to revamping this country,.,.,,, ,., and they carry guns!

No joking, you may be a Boko Haram Sharia supporter (secretly! ) but l submit that yours is one of the most intelligent posts l have read on N/Land, in a long time! You took your time and you did it well.
Three Gboosas to you!.

If l may add, Iran now produces and exports 2.56 million cubits of "Kerosine" every day!
If just to "Teach us" how to refine crude oil into Kerosine (so those poor women and villagers can have peace and stop cutting them trees down), L say lets befriend Iran!

As long as they dont "attempt to Islamize" the country, we are friends, in a MUTUALLY BENEFITING RELATIONSHIP, devoid of religion.

Just like the West, including America, will "use and dump" any country, IT'S  A MATTER OF "SELF-INTEREST", no  permanent interest, No permanent Enemy!
Even Ghadafi was the "best pal" of France, U.K and America, just a few weeks before March 17, 2011. (Just check out the red carpet they gave him in France!)

Of-course, Oil and his Pan-African ideas at making Africa "independent" of Western extortion made him a "marked-man" from day one, "The Protest Rebellion in Benghazi" was just an excuse to finish him-off!
And every one benefits: The West gets the "sweet oil" and Libya's sovereign fund while the Rebels get power and their turn to loot!

@haka-nai

It doesn't matter.if we are neutral then we could benefit from alot of countries.Presently Iran is far more advanced than us and prefer to build there indigenous technology,even if it means reverse engineering.So if that is true then let them help us with the technology required to start,Since the west won't give us.About if we would piss the west?We won't it will make us more appealing and important to them if they realize we could have a choice.Which they so hate.
Whether Iran is evil or not i don't know.Simply because the west say so doesn't make it true.It will be silly to hurriedly crest them so.since they pose no immediate treats to us.Also they could be used as a means to an end if we know better.Considering even countries in Europe still deal with them and still visit them and host them.Wetin concern us.We sometimes like to play into the interest of western powers who never like us except when it suits them.
In the global arena number and power matters.The saying no permanent enemy or foe is a good way to start.They need relevance and we could also find something worth while in them.Last i checked if you most know the west refuse to give us space technology along with its knowledge.That was why we opted for the likes of china.You should know that the west will never give us anything good.It is also know fact that they give aid,which is not what Africa needs.the last i checked our meeting AU and EU.They tried to rip us off.So what matters to the west is there interest and i bet you if tomorrow Iran sucks there balls.you would see and change of attitude and it would still not change there imperialistic attitude.
Internationally we must learn to open our eyes and get everything from everyone that could make it better for our citizenry.Nigeria first and others next regardless.That includes even the west.
If you don't believe lets say today out of your willingness you say we don't want to export our oil to the west we want to sell it to African nations strictly.out of love for our own.Before you know it,una image go begin spiral internationally and next trouble go start.The government will be targeted next.The same way saddem did there dirty deals in the gulf and later said no.The same way the ayatollahs said no to imported technology and external influence/interference.
We can't fight the west and we can go against her but we sure can make her like us more.A visit to iran will not change our policy and will not change how the west think about.So let him go if he wish.Chechnya rebels are not getting any military hardware form Iran,how?Simple the Russians said we support you and you give us your word that no body from our Islamic militant groups gets support from you nation.So if today Iran poses security treats in terms of arms shipment then we could sit on a table and say you want a friend then you must be on same page with us about our security period.Not crest  them evil and refuse dialogue.Even Israel will not reject meaningful visit or dialogue with them.Because Israel would want a divided middle east and it will serve her even more if she could get more allies amongst the Persians/Arabs.She also has an agenda for that.Talk-less of u,being neutral to both interest.
Simply mind our business will do and exploit what is good to us in everyone.

BTW: *Iran gives arms to Hezbollah = America give arms to Israel! (Equation balance)
*Iran is considered a 'terrorist supporter' = America also supports countless terrorists, worldwide
*Iran wants a Nuclear weapon real bad = America helped Israel (Iran's neighbor!) to build Nuclear Weapons!
So, what is all the U.N security council's noise all about?

I think the world was better and safer during the cold war days where you're either a "Soviet-aligned Communist, or an American/Western allied Capitalist!
At least no "Strong Power" just marched on "weaker African" countries, without thinking twice, even with a "good excuse"!

From daring Boko Haram came a threat yesterday that the Islamic militants have listed the Presidential Villa, Abuja as target. Their spokesman, Mallam Abu Zaid, who spoke to journalists on phone in Maiduguri, Borno State yesterday, also called for the removal of troops of the Joint Task Force (JTF) troops from the state, maintaining that their presence was a sad tale for innocent people.

The group said that it knew its targets, adding that members of the sect may consider temporary ceasefire should all the soldiers on the streets of Maiduguri are withdrawn

So all the bombings they have been carrying out: Bombing NYSC secretariat, Police stations, killing Corpers, robbing banks, e.t.c IS NOT AFFECTING THE INNOCENT MASSES?

These Boko Haram peeps dont have a clue of what they are getting in return!

JTF should cut them to pieces! (any one who is not one of them or their secret supporter, should leave the war zone)

If a hen perches on a line, neither the hen nor the wire will know any rest!

Surrender or get wiped out; Now is time to swallow all That "GEJ IS WEAK" nonsense!