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Image123: Oh so Mark is allowed to throw jabs at me and go free, but Image123 is so cruel if he tries it? There is no hard time getting points, learn some patience and willingness to wait for others and not be self centred. i know 24hours is more practical for me, that's why i suggested it. It's not impossible for one to post like say 11pm or even 1am for instance. Not everyone is so chanced to wake up and then rebut or reply before 11am or 1pm. One may wake up to go out or not be chanced for a reply till like the evening, say 4pm, 7pm etc. Anyways, i do nt owe you explanations and illustrations.

not really a jab. Not even meant as a jab. Just speaking the truth.

Pastor Kun: Evidently and by his own admission Rhymeyjohn is not very frequent on the forum. I don't think he would be able to engage actively in the discourse, I would like to suggest Image 123 gets an ally amongst the more posters here.

I would agree. If they have such a hard time getting their points up and corresponding prior to the Discussion, what will it be like during the Discussion. Might be good to go solo or better to find someone that will be there to hand him tissues when he is facing the hard facts.

No wonder Image wanted 24 hours instead of 12. Sure you don't want a week between answers? A month? A year?

frosbel: ^^^

Image123 and co have FLED

i am hopeful they have not fled. I have expressed my concerns with the interim Moderator, and through his conversations with Moderators an with the Discussants, I believe he has pieced together a great guideline for the upcoming Discussion.

Edited to add: I believe the rules to be both fair and impartial for all participants.

Proverbs 22:29 Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.

rudedough: Oh i see and i guess the debate hasn't started yet. How do i join the discuss or is it an open discuss? I'll love to partake in the discuss but i don't know how. When is the discuss starting?

Both Candour and myself have our ducks in a row. Apparently our opponents, Image123 & Rhymeyjohn, have not as of yet.

As soon as our opponents have their points ready, the Discussion will begin, I think.

rudedough: Ohh i see. My apologies. So where are the tithe collecting pastors on this thread? Are they Gombs and The_Mind?

Those are cheap pastors now. Haba!! Pastor who haven't studied more than 10 chapters of their bible.

There are many who are for and many against. Most have not come in the thread.

As you can see, some have. It is the hope of Candour and myself that all who read the Discussion will learn the background of the Biblical tithes; i.e who was required to tithe and who was not, what the tithes consisted of, how often the tithes were given, etc..

rudedough: Now where is Pastor Miwerds and Pastor Candour? The supposed "Theological Discussants On Tithing."

Just like every other tithe collecting pastors, I guess they've absconded from the thread because the truth has come to light.

RudeDough, I am against tithing, nor for it.

The Bible does not teach it.

I have been reading the thread for the last few hours. Even clicking like on some posts.

However, I have decided to reserve any more of my comments concerning the tithe for the actual Discussion as advised by my ally Candour.

I believe twelve hours is a fair amount of time.

Twenty-four hours would be stretching it out longer than necessary.

Truth does not become a lie just because an atheist, or even a demon, speaks it.

Even an atheist tells the truth at times.

rudedough: Exactly what you'd expect from a Pastor when you've caught him red handed in the act of deceit.

I didn't write the bible bro. Everything I've written on this thread is God's truth fresh out from the holy bible. If anyone's soul needs saving or salvation, it's yours and your fellow croony pastors who interpret the bible out of context to extort their members.

Please stop threatening your members with false interpretation of Malachi 3:8-9 while you rob them blind of their hard earned money.

I'll be waiting for Miwerds and Candour or the Pope whenever they wake up so that they can show me where God said "PAY YOUR TITHE" rather than "EAT YOUR TITHE".



Goodnight.

Took a while to listen to all the posts after waking. Heard this one and had to reply.

I do believe that there was a command to pay tithes. Notice the following verse:

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

In the above verse, our Lord rebuked the Pharisees for their neglecting the weightier matters of the Mosaic/Levitic Law, admonishing them, "these ye ought to have done." But in the same verse, we see that He commended them for paying tithes, telling them "do not leave the other undone." They were to pay their tithes.

So, I do believe tithes were paid. However, the tithes paid were not money... they were food. As you so rightly pointed out, they were eaten.

Thanks for your contribution to the thread.

It is time for me to sleep some. Be back in a few hours. God bless.

seemylife: Logging in as anti-tither

welcome! The Discussion has not started yet. Opposing Team is still getting their points together.

brainpulse: . If you are truely led in your course by the spirit of God there are proper and orderly ways of doing things that will not portray the qualities of the spirit of anger, disrespect, disaffection, ungentleness which are the spirit of the lastdays. I believe you need more of the infilling of the spirit of God if you are truely Born again

What is this "more of the infilling of the Spirit of God" you speak of?

When one trusts Christ, the Spirit is given to him at that moment. How can there be more of the Spirit when the Spirit is already abiding in the Believer? There is no such teaching as "more of the infilling of the Spirit" found anywhere in the Bible.

Some doctrines I just do not understand.

frosbel: 1. Gods house is his People not your church.

"However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:" - Acts 7:48


2. God does not use money. He expects us to use our money , not to maintain buildings, because he does not dwell in building but :

"For there was not a needy person among them, for all who were owners of land or houses would sell them and bring the proceeds of the sales and lay them at the apostles' feet, and they would be distributed to each as any had need" - [b]Acts 4:34-3[/b]5

Both wonderful truths! The building is not the Church, the Body is. Should be building be crumbled, He is in His people and they in Him.

DrummaBoy: Ryhmeyjohn, Image123, Mark Miwerds and Candour are hereby requested to look up the changes that has been made to the proposed rules, regulations and format of presentation as we have agreed so far. Please let us discuss any objection to them. Also you may ask any question on them. And they are still proposed in that they are subject to changes.

For the duration of the Discussion, providing no underhanded manipulation by opponents, I will agree.

DrummaBoy: Replied.

Thanks, Brother! Just sent you a Reply to your Reply.

DrummaBoy, I just sent you an email with my concerns.

Please respond as soon as possible.

Thanks!

I agreed to a no bashing discussion with Rhymejohn and the one person he chose as an ally.

It will be impossible to properly discuss the Biblical tithes with the constant accusations being hurled.

Note: I am not pointing fingers at Rhymejohn. He has been gracious in his posts thus far. I believe he and I can have a reasonable and rational discussion.

DrummaBoy,

Now you should see why I requested the thread be closed to those who are not part of the discussion.

I have to listen to all the barbs and false accusations. One shouldn't have to wade through a cesspool to swim in clean water. The Bible says "Neither give place to the devil."

Give him an inch, and he will do his best to destroy the saints.

Their agenda is not that truth be known. If it were, they would not come in falsely accusing as they do. Their agenda is to wear down the saints of God.

Image123: Candour said the below


And drumboy said


Sorry, i thought you were both agreed. My conditions stand, and i have also made my concession by agreeing to Candour's concession.

If you don't post in a tithe thread, what concern is it to you that I do? How is it hurting you for me to post in another thread if I see error and God tells me to give Scriptural rebuke, correction and instruction?

Does your demanding that we not post in other threads really boil down to you not wanting others who are wrong corrected?

OLAADEGBU: That is what you get when you agree to a debate that has been organised by anti tithers, you get set up!

Still defending that Scripture that isn't there, I see.

Goshen360: Okay brethren. I will start another thread inviting Gombs to tithe discussion between him and me, referencing\quoting what's being said and we both can continue.

Thank you, Goshen. God bless!

Image123:
No mind them. See soliciting oh.
Okay @drumb, no wahala. i'll take it up so far as my conditions still stands i.e the concessions Mark and candour are making/made not to talk about tithe in any other thread for the period of the discuss. That includes me and my "ally" BTW. And of course, also good now is Rhymeyjohn's permission since he is interested. Dunno how this ally thing works and if my tithing ogas will have the time. Its obvious we are all tired of endless tithe talk, don't know how it is such an obsession for the average antitiher here to want to talk about tithe. So, my tithe friends, if you're interested in ally work, oya oh start jogging, lol. If not, i'll do just fine with these fellows, i truly understand your stance.
Let's hear from Rhymeyj, if he agrees, i'll bring in one or two things and then we start.

I never made such a concession, nor will I ever make such a concession.

I have already said, "If God lays it on my heart to post in a tithe thread, I will do so."

I understand that there may be other posters who come to the thread and post during the discussion. I have no problem with that as long was posters keep posts to a minimum until a time designated by the Moderator, so as to keep distractions at a minimum and to respect discussants as they reason together in an attempt to arrive at some sort of agreement.

I respectfully ask that Goshen and Gombs open a new thread for the purpose of their debate.

This thread was opened for a theological discussion between Candour and myself against two other oppontents.

Unlike other posters here on NL, I have to listen to posts, and to have others debating while I am planning my presentation is distracting.

I hear some deception in posts that trouble me. Question from a tither asking for answers to questions, saying "no insults", then asking, "Can one be a Christian and not tithe." To me, that is calling into question one's Salvation.

Salvation is not hinged upon whether one obeys his pastors demands to tithe or not. It is hinged solely on faith in Christ and His finished work on the Cross at Calvary.

The tither does not want insults from the non tither, yet has no problem hurling insults himself? What's wrong with that picture?

Again, I ask respectfully that those who want to debate, please, please open a thread for that purpose so as not to distract me. I do not believe that is asking too much.

In Christ Jesus I beseech you.
Mark Miwerds

DrummaBoy: @Miwerds. If you want to start with ten points. Fine. Let see if its ok with Rhymey. Maybe after exhausting the first 20 there maybe a need to raise more points or end the discuss. As for locking down the thread to only discussants, its beyond my power. I will only encourage you ignore them. When hey tire they will stop. That is why i encourage we focus on the job at hand, you cannot rule out Tobiah and Sanballat in life. The best we can get is to ask d moderators to blank out comments that come in btw comments. Pls bear with us. Are all the other points of rule ok?

My Brother, I have no problem with the other rules. They do look good.

To be honest, I have never been in a "one-on-one" or in this case "two-on-two" discussion as the one we are attempting to enter. It will be interesting. I have listened to the rules a couple times and my hangup is the response things. But I am sure I will get used to it as the discussion proceeds, so I would not change them.

Olaadegbu, please stop referring to me as a criminal and a serpent. I am neither a criminal, nor a serpent.

You do much harm to your position when you falsely accuse. It is not edifying at all.

If all you have to offer is insults and false accusations, I wish you would cease from posting in this thread. I am here to see what the Word of God says, not what Olaadegbu says.

DrummaBoy,

Thus far, I have 10 points worked up. I am not sure if I can squeeze in another 10.

To keep the discussants from being distracted, I am wondering if it is possible that a Moderator lock the thread to only the four discussants and their Moderator being able to post in it?

Vile accusations from onlookers is not only annoying, but ungodly. Vile accusations only serve to distract and annoy. If allowed, they will only invoke like postings from the discussants.

If those who would be reading the thread would not be allowed to post, I see no reason why the discussion would even turn ugly. We are here to discuss Scripture and learn what "thus saith the Lord" concerning tithes, not to "bash" either tithers or non tithers.

OLAADEGBU: There is no twisting there. I quoted what you posted and it is there for anyone to read and come to their own conclusion.



This is the word of God and it does not teach "only agricultural tithe requirements" This is what Jesus said when describing earthly realities to explain heavenly truths when He said:

"I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess"

It is clear to all sincere readers that you are the one twisting the word of God saying that Jesus was not saying the truth there.

That little snippet you pulled out of its context is nothing more than part of a parable.

There were publicans, there were Pharisees. The Pharisees had a heart of self-righteousness and often said they did things they did not do themselves.

Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

The Pharisee in the Parable may have said "I tithe of all," but Jesus said "Do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

It is obvious that the Pharisee in the Parable could not have "tithed everything." Else, there would have been providion in the Word of God saying that the Levites had authority to accept "everything" as tithe. There was not. The Word of God clearly tells us what the Levites received as tithe... agricultural produce and livestock from the land of Israel.

There was nothing else tithed.

Candour,

I am sending a revised email.

Gombs: Knew it would get to this...so far anti tithers are involved, insults are imminent

Funny, the tithers are the first hurl insults, yet those who don't tithe are at fault.

Go figure.

Isaiah 5:20 (KJV) 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!