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Bankole has declared total war against Yaradua ![]() |
Truth If Yaradua develops Nigeria, the so called world leaders will be seeking him. He should ignore the antics of the west. On another hand, I don't know the veracity of this news or even when its true whether it translates into US developing a cold feet to yaradua because the US Ambasador to Nigeria has already met him. China and Brazil has plegded to lead his innauguration. So those who refuse to believe that Nigeria has a new leader are on their own. |
Well I was waiting to see a new version of law, where spending government money meant for a particular project for another government project will be equated to spending government money on private bussiness interest. It is interesting that AC has carried its campaign of calumny over to the Senate, A Senate that could not be compromised for 3rd term, the same Senate that has been having field days opposing the President from Ekiti emergency, to removal of EFCC from Presidency to FOI Bill. All this while they were hounarable and distinguished in the eyes of AC and Atiku. Now that they have refused to attach sentiments to the PTDF scandal they have become shameful and a tool in the hands of the President. Victory for democracy is not only when it sounds favourable to Atiku or AC. |
Whats all the fuss about ![]() ?Lets say hypothetically Bush decides never to meet Yaradua, will that translate into Yaradua having to stand down. People do not even realise that if there is any world leader that will criticize Yaradua over his election, it wont be Bush. Reason being that his first term election to office was challenged at the Supreme court by Algol. |
Who ever thought Audu ex-governor of Kogi State will be humiliated, all would have thought his case was a forgotten issue. That is the Drive of the man mallam nuhu ribadu. Remember the EFCC has been given autonomy so Yaradua does not call the shots anymore. So the Ibori's and Igbenidions of this world should better start preparing there defence than wasting time romancing Yaradua. |
That sums up what Nigeria's self acclaimed democrats are all about. Tinubu and his cohorts have been burging the hell out of us with how undemocratic and vindictive OBJ is and how he wont let his deputy be. The same people who time and time again keep lecturing us about democracy cant practice what they preach, they even go as far impeaching someone that has resigned. LOL T[i]his country is so sweet[/i]. |
So these Govs are actually running away ![]() Shame |
@Ikomi If u clearly read the bottom part of my post I asked u to come with strong reasons.The use of the word ignorant by myself does not mean to insult you but to suggest that you are not aware of what the constitution says on this issue. However I like to appologise if you picked any offence with that. 1. The adoption of a sharia court by a state clearly states its fuction.Sections 262 and 277 of the constitution clearly states the jurisdiction of the Sharia court 2. The powers of the governor to be able to decree a code of conduct or not.This is democracy and not military, Governors don't do decrees anymore State Laws are made by State legislature who have a responsibility to ensure that it is consistent with the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. Section 1 of the constitution provides for the supremacy of the constitution thus any law inconsistent with this law becomes void. Section 10 of the constitution makes it illegal to have a State Religion. While sections 41 and 42 of the constitution gives any nigerian Christains and Muslims alike the right to live in any part of the country practicing their own Religion. Choosing an Islamic dress code for both Muslims and Non-Muslims amounts to imposing a State Religion. Thirdly wherever u see any inexplicit statement u try to analyse it to our understanding.Well you requested for a yes or no answer and I refer you to your previous statement which confirms that. ", I think the question in this argument is this. Does the constittution allow for the state governor of a state that has adopted the Sharia Court of Appeal to decree that the students of that state should have a dress code. I think this is a yes or no answer. If yes then no one should have any grudges against Shakarau ( if i got his name correctly),, "Now forget what the constitution says, lets even come down to common sense, Ikomi if as a Muslim you happen to be a civil servant in Rivers State how would you feel if your daughter has to wear the crucifix (the symbol of Jesus Christ dieing on the cross) everyday because she has to go to school. Because that is the state Governor's code of conduct policy. ![]() ?? |
@Ikomi You have clearly shown that you are ignorant of the position of the constitution on this. The answer to your yes or no question is : NO No Governor has the right to impose dress codes or any religion. As much as Shekarua does not have the right to compel students to wear veils, so too does the Governor of Rivers state or Anambra lack the right to compel any student to wear the crucifix. As much as no Governor has the right impose a Religion so too does no Governor have the right to ban any religion. The Religion you adhere to is a personal choice as provided in the constitution which makes it legal to be practised in any state of Nigeria. I don't understand why this is not clear. According to the provision of the constitution even the Governor of Abia can decide that there is an appreciable number of Muslims in Abia for that reason let their be Sharia Court in the state. That does not translate into people having a particular way of life in the State. It only means that if there is a Muslim husband and Wife living in Abia and they have dispute which they want to settle in accordance to sharia Law they simply have access to a court arround them instead of travelling to Kano or Sokoto. Why can't we simply understand that having a particular type of customary court, that draws it laws from a particular religion or culture, within a locality does not translate into having a way of life that must be adhered to within that locality ![]() ??The constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria defines who we are, every other law with inclination to any culture or religion is a personal choice. |
I will take that as a compliment ![]() |
@Afam @Mckren,Frankly the contents of this post is not worthy of reply from myself. I dont do war of words because I think often times they simply deviate attention from the real issues. I am only taking pains to reply this post because I have seen very reasonable posts by yourself Afam in the past and think you can do better. Once upon a time in telling me of your resolve to limit you argument to issues you understand or have much information on you quoted section 275 of the constitution and accused me of quoting only general section of the constitution and avoiding particular sections that dealt with Sharia. I went further to those particular sections of Sharia to unearth aspects that dwells on jurisdiction of Sharia law. Now that you are convinced the constitution does not support your argument you have prefered to rubbish the constitution in its totality. It is even funny that you go as far as upholding some outdated norms in our towns and villages which were informed by the medieval do's and dont's. Some of those practise which no one in this age wants to believe in. Do you think people are practising democracy for the sake of it? How can any society work without a central and common law binding them all. In our case the constitution of our country. I cant believe you are advocating that some traditional norms in the viallages should take precedence over the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. My brother I am so disappointed and will like to let you know that being Educated and Wise also includes accepting our mistakes and owning up when we make one. |
There will be no war, this is 2007 Nigeria and not 1967. We are not fighting no wars but the truth is that sweeping this issue under the carpet for fear of trouble is simply postponing doomsday which will surely raise its head someday. We have an attitude of blackmailing any talks about equality in our quest to uphold political correctness. We have tried too hard on that for so long and it has not helped us. Its about time we turn the chapter in our politics telling elite politicians that their game is up. A Nothern politician when they want to divert attention they talk sharia, those from the south east will talk marginalisation and biafra to achieve same, those from the south south talks about resource control to divert attention, while those from south west keep decieving people with Awo's teachings and odua. The truth is that they have a comon aim which is to divert attention from the real issues which are delivering basic amenities like health facilities, schools, roads, transport etc. Ibrahim Shekarua should show real love to his people by delivering on this rather playing on sentiments to score cheap political points. What a misguided government helping secondary schools to design school uniforms when there are more important issues. And people are proud enough to defend him. The truth is that we are even learning the game of elite politicians, instead of arguing the legality of a state governor compelling students to a particular dress code we are busy calling those who think the fundamental human rights granted by the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria on its citizens should be respected, haters. If advocating for the rights of non-muslims who live in the North as provided in the constitution amounts to hating then I have no regrets hating. This also means that those who wrote the constitution are all haters, even Gen. Abdusalanmi Abubakar who accepted a hate constitution is himself a hater. Talking about the constitution and its flaws, yes there are flaws in the constitution but on this one there is nothing wrong with it. Whoever wants to have a referendum on the constitution can start a new thread on that and also wait for the NASS to re-write it but for now the constitution as it is remains the working document and the reference point. It determines what is true and what is false. @topic One thing we seem to miss here is the actual position of the constitution on sharia law. There is a saying that "when an anomaly lingers for so long people tend to confuse it with the norm". That is what is playing out in Nigeria. The constitution did not advocate a way of life for people in particular sections of the country. It only talked about how a Sharia Court will be set up for those who need it. That a State is allowed to adopt Sharia court of appeal in its legal system because it thinks that most of their people are predominantly muslims and as such there will arise civil cases like marriage disagreement or inheritance of fathers properties where parties to the disagreement might choose to settle the issues in a Sharia court does not give any state governor the right to impose any religion or culture on any Nigerian living in the state. In fact section 277 which dwells on the jurisdictions of the sharia court of appeal in subsection (2)(e) provides thus " where all the parties to the proceedings, being muslims, have requested the court that hears the case in the first instance to determine that case in accordance with Islamic personal law, any other question." Thus that even suggest that Sharia Law is not even totally binding on Muslims themselves as an individual might opt out of the Islamic personal law. Let alone a none muslim. Besides that does inclusion of Sharia court of appeal to deal with civil and customary cases now translate into a state Governor deciding how the general public should dress ![]() ![]() ?The truth is that I have been praying for the past few days that Shekarua goes ahead to enforce his law then he will see that his game is up. We are about to turn the page in our national debate. He should stop decieving his people and improve their lives if he truly loves them. Enough of all these ethnic and religious sentiments. |
Let us keep our fingers crossed and not expect too much, there is a whole dark world that exists between "if the Nigerian government asks and the US state department agrees". Between that cycle a lot of intrests come in, bussiness, economic, security etc., and some of these intrests we are talking about will be put first by America or even some people in Nigerian government before the Will of the man Mallam Nuhu Ribadu. If I am Ribadu what I will pre-occupy myself with in the next dinspesation is to put in place strategies to checkmate looting and ensure accountabality in the first place because that will impact more on the lives of Nigerians rather than jailing Atiku. Though jailing corrupt ex-leaders sends out a clear message to the new ones but we need to find a balance point between what we wish to achieve and what we can achieve. |
Talking about fedralism, see below what my dictionary says about it federalismThe statements in bold tells a lot about our situation. "provided they do not violate the Constitution" . Shekarua and the Kano state legislature while they have all the rights to make state laws are on this occasion violating sections 10, 262, 41 and 42 of the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. It is also worthy to note section 1 of the constitution which talks about the supremacy of our constitution and any law inconsistent with this constitution being void. , "Until the middle of the twentieth century, the Supreme Court left the interpretation of many civil rights guarantees to the states, resulting in widespread discrimination against minorities" that quote tells you that those who have perfect democracies once experienced these and changed it. So this is the necessary growth our democracy has to go through. Yes there are flaws in the constitution, but am very sure this is not one of those flaws. We are simply on this occasion not adhering to the constitution. Dont get me wrong, I am not preaching hate against Muslims but we can only succeed as one Nation when we understand and appreciate the rights of fellow Nigerians no matter their ethnic group or religion. |
qualification does not matter in ministerial posts, the Present Home Secretary (like we have internal affairs minister) of Britain John Reid had in the past served as both Health Secretary and Defence. In Nigeria that would have meant Minister for Health - Defence - Interior Which could call for different career paths in University. |
If lawmaker don't want to debate it, a proprietor or parent in Nigeria should take the bull by the horn and drag Kano State government to an Abuja High court and publicise to the world including the BBC. By the time it becomes a national embarrasment lets see how it will not be a national debate. It is illegal for Shekarua to bully non-muslims to adhere to muslim dress codes, at least it is in section 262 of the constitution states clearly that sharia is only applicable to muslims. It is even illegal for any state to have a state religion it is in section 10 of the constitution. People are confusing the recognition of Sharia law by state courts and state courts of appeal and having a state religion. That the sharia law will be used by sharia courts to address issues where both parties consent or subscribe to the law does not translate to the constitution permiting a state religion. Shekarua is advocating a state religion and that is Illegal. It is even more illegal that he is compelling people who do not subscribe to that religion to adhere to it. sections 41 and 42 gives every Nigerian the right to live in any part of the country practising his own religion. It also makes it illegal for anybody to deprive him of rights he would have benefited from other parts of the country because of his birth. |
@Mamajama I am glad to inform you that the constitution of the Federal republic of Nigeria strengthens your position on this. View the conversation in the following thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-52087.32.html No one says Sharia should not be practised by those who want it, it already exists and is law. But trying to enforce it beyond its jurisdictions is illegal and will require the Constitution re-written by the NASS to do that. Non-Muslims are not binded by the Sharia law. If Notherners and Muslims are civilised they should learn to arrest and prosecute whoever they think is flouting sharia before a Sharia court of law rather than usurping the duties of the court by implementing it themselves on the streets. Attacking or bullying people to accept a strange religion is outdated. Guess what, here comes the begining of the end to this Sharia nonsense in Nigeria because when people kill people their compatriots in the name of Sharia they claim they are thugs. Now a recognised state government is bullying non-muslims to adhere to sharia, I think we have who to hold responsible here. |
Afam:Talking about confusing or trivialising the real issues, I simply don't know how prostitution found its way into this discuss. Cos the topic or the trend so far was not talking about prostitution or sex trade, but a state government compelling every student to a particular dress codes. Well wana talk about Prostitution or whether the constitution gives any woman that right. I like to also point out that I hardly know of any section of the constitution that explicitly dwells and condenms prostitution. As much as it is morally wrong it is not a constitutional issue so how Ilegal it is under the Laws of the land is even debatable. If you know any section of the constitution that condemns sex trade please bring my awareness to it because I like to learn. On whether it is allowed in states where sharia is practised at the moment, that simply does not arise because the practice of Sharia in any state can only be legal to the extent as it affects only muslims. I also think we need to understand what it means to practice sharia. sharia law should be practised in the sharia court of law and not on the streets. If anybody breaks the law it is for those concerned to take the offender to the sharia court who will decide whether it has jurisdiction to hear such cases. People on the streets should not usurp the duties of the sharia court by creating fear as that is lawlessness and terror. Talking about coming home to realities, I simply don't understand what realities you want me to come home to ? The reality that Nigerians living in some sections of the country have been for so long been deprived of their fundamental human rights as provided in the constitution of the fedral republic of Nigeria. Afam I urge you to read more on the sections of the constitution that dwells on fundamental human right (with particular interests in 41 and 42) and see how much we have been decieving ourselves as a Nation.[quote41. (1) Every citizen of Nigeria is entitled to move freely throughout Nigeria and to reside in any part thereof, and no citizen of Nigeria shall be expelled from Nigeria or refused entry thereby or exit therefrom. |
Not wearing hijab does not equate to prostitution. What we are talking about here is compelling people to subscribe to a particular religous dress codes. Like you let me deviate a little. I served in Sokoto, everyman both Christains and Muslims love beautiful and sexy girls. Let us stop wallowing in hypocrisy, these men who pass such draconian laws are the first to run to camp chasing NYSC girls from the south at Night yet during the day they despise girls. This is 2007 Nigeria and not 1857, if any man gets easily turned up by sexy girls he should change the dimensions of his pants and go for tighter ones. There are more issues Shekarua can do for his people if he loves them, he should shun divisive politics and trying to use religion to score cheap political points. I bet you, if you research very well he has a very hot girlfriend camped in Abuja. |
@Afam That the constitution talks about Sharia Court is not a blank cheque for any State Government to practice a particular religion as the constituion in section 10 frowns at having a state religion. The section you quoted talks about how the Sharia court is set up for those who need it, and I also like to draw your attention to section 262 of the same constitution quoted below 262. (1) The Sharia Court of Appeal shall, in addition to such other jurisdiction as may be conferred upon it by an Act of the National Assembly, exercise such appellate and supervisory jurisdiction in civil proceedings involving questions of Islamic personal law.What this simply suggest is that the Sharia court only has powers to preside over cases where both parties are muslims and simply has no juridictions in cases where either or both parties is or are non-muslims. In a situation like this I think section 10 of the constitution which makes it illegal to have state religion takes precedence. The sections of the constitution you tried to quote are meant for customary cases for muslims as regards mariages, families and related issues and will not be applied when the fundamental human rights of a citizen of the Federal Republic of Nigeria that is Non-Muslim is trampled upon. Afam One thing I have learnt in this life is to limit my discussions to issues I have reasonable information on so as to avoid making apologies when it is shown that I do not understand what I may be discussing.I am not going to demand your apology like you did me, because I do not think you were trying to decieve anyone by referring to particular sections of the constitution. However I do urge you to research also other parts of the constitution and apply common sense. Leave political correctness out of this, we can not have a Nigeria where a southerner can not feel at home in the North and yet he claims to live in his own country. Frankly is it not a shame that a Southern Nigerian feels safer in Tunisia or Egypt than in Kano ![]() ?? |
Afam On democracy, if the majority of the people in the state wants something and it is passed into law whether you are happy or not is another matter entirely just like the US creates laws that tend to infringe on the rights of some people especially those in minority.If you think that is an excuse to legitimise this, I like to also draw your attention to section 1 of the Fedral Republic of Nigeria which talks about the supremacy of the constitution 1. (1) This Constitution is supreme and its provisions shall have binding force on the authorities and persons throughout the Federal Republic of Nigeria.On this note I also bring to your attention, section 10 of the same constitution 10. The Government of the Federation or of a State shall not adopt any religion as State Religion.It can not be more explicit than that. Elite politicians should show our people some respect and stop diverting attention rather than improving basic amenities. What Shekarua is doing is illegal. Walking stark naked is in no way in the league of compelling people to wear veil no matter what they choose to call it, whether headscarfe or Hijab. If he is simply offering help in the design of school uniforms then he probably needs to be reminded that he has more serious things to do. |
@Afam I am sorry but "not muslim" does not automatically translate to "christain". Now get our argument here. We are not angry that a school has chosen hijab as a dress code, but a state Government madating everybody to dress in a certain way is unacceptable. Come to think of it there is nothing Christain about ladies cutting their hair, I don't remember my mother or sister being chased from the church because she has a long hair. Even at that rules like that are school based and some schools in the south do actually have their students carry long hair. As a matter of fact their should be more schools in kano with Sharia dress codes since thats the predominant religion over there but the few schools where people want to dress without the hijab, they should be allowed to do just that. People should not impose their religion on others, there is nothing democratic about it. |
Dansami I am so happy you are acceepting this as your culture. I hope that when students kill their teacher for desecrating the qur'an or people kill others for activities in Denmark you will also accept that as your culture. |
@Mazaje Frankly, you should apply reason here. I like yourself think people should be respected including their religous beliefs. If muslims want to wear viel nobody is against that. But a Governor saying that every school including Private and Public must adhere to a certain dresscode is simply unacceptable. What it means is that if there is a secular school in Kano they must henceforth adhere to a muslim religous dresscode. I hope you understand what school uniform means ?/ everyone wears it.The truth is that, no matter how we try to believe that we are one people and that we can make Nigeria work. Somepeople try to tell us that whole belief is a farce. It is easy to reach a compromise with anybody provided we know those things that can not be compromised, Shekarua has simply decided to disregard one of such things that should not be compromised in a multi-religous society like ours. There should be opportunity for both Muslim and Non-Muslims schools in any part of Nigeria, it is simply undemocratric and intolerant of Kano State to suggest that a Non-Muslim in a non-muslim school should dress like a muslim. This in my view is simply an attempt to divert attention, our people are hungry, no good roads, poor electricity. If he loves his people that much he should deliver basic amenities to them and not who is or who is not wearing veils or mini skirt. The Kano state govt should be ashamed of themselves |
There is no point attacking what Yaradua did or did not do in Katsina. I dont think anyone thinks he is some genius that will transform Nigeria. What we lack in this country is not ideas, ideas can always be hired by getting the best hands in your cabinet. What we do actually lack is the genuine desire to make a difference by those at the helm of affairs and that is priceless cos it can not be bought. If Yaradua can run his government with sincerity and genuine desire to make a difference then there is hope. Another point is that at this point in our National history we are so in need of genarational shift. Atiku and Buhari does not represent this shift, that is what this whole thing is about. |
The truth is that the news have shamefully tranfered there campaign of calumny againts OBJ to his daughter. They should be ashamed of themselves for peddling such cheap rumours, OBJ had always openly said he prefered the north central, with senators from Kwara state in mind, so is Iyabo from kwara? . So God knows how they worked this out. |
It is simply not easy to be President of Nigeria whatever you do people will talk |
[size=24pt]there wives will not be happy with that pics[/size]
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he chose Alhaji Modibo |
he chose Alhaji Modibo |
I will simply assume you can not justify the statement you made. |
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