₦airaland Forum

loomer:
Oya begin blame us

It's either he blames GEJ or he blames Nigerians.

He already called you all criminals.

Has this fool changed from being the retrogressive Islamic fundamentalist that he was the first time that he stole power?

Where is the proof that he has progressive ideas?

Why has everything gotten worse since he came to power?

FunkyMetahuman:
like I said..


you only see what you wanted to see.

when amaechi and other PDP governors sued and shared the money, why didn't federal government saved its 51% share?
what happened to the federal governments 51%? what was it used for?
if fg had saved out of it's share, buhari will see it today, and we will divert all.our abuse to him.

do you even know what triggered the sue? you must have ignored that one cos it didn't suit you.

why was federal government borrowing to pay salary when oil was still 70$ / barrel if they have done wonderful job with the economy under Jonathan?
why are we still importing rice and flours in 2016, if the past governments had put proper measure to ensure self sufficiency ?

Jonathan didn't do more than obasanjo considering the amount of money they both controlled.. in fact, obasanjo still remained the most visionary president we ever had, forget his mistakes.
with the little obj, he saved more than enough for yaradua to get us of of 2007 oil doom. no debt with huge external reserve..
that's a president with balls..
and most of the projects we are talking about today started from the days of obasanjo.
he had those ideas.
even railway transformation started with him.
don't compare sleep and death.





as for electricity, only federal government has the power to handle it, (states dont have financial muscle unless we go back to regional government) plus stable power is not rocket science. build more power plants and enhance distribution.
everyone will have power.
central government handles power in China.

You talk of the money that the states sued for but what did those states do with the money? Rivers state is notoriously wasteful, especially under Amaechi - what did he do with the money? We know that the money was not saved because they then demanded bail out funds. And why did you refer to 'PDP governors'? Are you going to lie that no APC governors were part of the suit? That none called for bail out funds? How do you differentiate between APC and PDP when much of the APC was in the PDP just a few years back, including Amaechi?

Some states are more than capable of handling power generation - Lagos, AKS, CRS, Rivers, Delta could handle their own power needs if they were not forced to feed that power back into a national grid that is shared amongst less productive states. The question should be how the other states can be brought up the speed without handicapping those that generate sufficient power to supply businesses and homes locally. We should also ask why certain states have no done nothing to increase their electricity generation while others have - what are such states doing to attract businesses to their environment if they cannot provide power? Do you not think it laughable that a nation the size of Nigeria is trying to maintain a national grid? You used China as an example without understanding that China does not have a national grid. The imposition of a national grid is symptomatic of the other issues within Nigeria, a diverse nation laboring under a destructive unitary system imposed and kept in place by those with ties to the military governments of the past.

You ask why Nigeria was/is still importing rice and flour when it was the previous administration (GEJ's) that instituted reforms in the agricultural sector. GEJ's government encouraged casava use instead of imported wheat, which is what a responsible government should do. Why did OBJ's administration not have such visionary ideas? Why did he fail to implement such if he did? Which new policies does this current administration have to increase agricultural output?

Why is it that you are so pro-OBJ and so anti-GEJ when the former has been a member of Nigeria's corrupt criminal elite for much longer?

Or have you forgotten that he was also a member of the crooked military establishment that destroyed Nigeria for decades?

Why do you not ask yourself how himself and Atiku came be so fabulously wealthy as public servants?

Why did OBJ push for a third term if he was such a 'visionary'? Which of his policies shows that he was 'visionary'?

Under GEJ was when Yaba became a tech hub, what is the current administration doing to increase ICT skills and access?

Nigeria became the largest economy in Africa under GEJ, they at least had the sense to rebase the economy - why did OBJ not deem such necessary?

Why did GEJ preside over freest, fairest elections in Nigerian history whilst OBJ presided over electoral fraud?

You say that I only see what I desire to see but from what you say it appears that you walk around blind. The level of ignorance that you display with your responses is astounding to me.

You ask me if I know what an IDP camp is - it means that those people are not able to return to their lands. Many of them are farmers, or so they claim. That fact completely negates whatever point you thought you were making about increased output. Yet another lie that you have posted without shame.

Stupid post.

Why is this on the front page?

It is irrational and irresponsible to have children, assets and no will.

All you are doing is creating problems for the future.

I love amala but I always have to remember to eat more of it otherwise I will be hungry very soon after eating.

FunkyMetahuman:
having a good idea is different from implementing a good idea.

while I admit that Jonathan had good ideas, did he have the balls to implement any if them?

he had good plans to build second niger bridge.. ( I remember the famous quote) i will go into exile if I didn't build second niger bridge. where is second Niger bridge today.

they gave shitload of excuses and reasons why that haven't done anything on Lagos Ibadan for 16years.. a project that shouldn't take 2 or atmost 3years.

they had good idea of improving electricity, all they could deliver for 16years was less down 3thousand dollars after spending enough money to build 30000 megawatts.

they had wonderful idea of ending corruption with technology, while they give our treasury to the likes of dasuki.

they had good ideas about saving for raining days when oil will be useless, but they had zero will to do it. - okonjo iweala.

and you think Nigerians should praise them for having ideas but abandoning the ideas?

shiitttttt
critical thinking ..





do you even know the meaning of idp camps?

I wonder what happened under OBJ that electricity supply is where it is too and I don't believe that they had a good idea to tackle Nigeria's electricity problem. Anything other complete decentralization of the system is foolish. Let each state generate its own power and attract investors. Then we shall see more clearly who is moving forward and those who proudly live in the 19th century.

I feel that OBJ was simply an extension of the military era. There is no way that such a character should have been president in a democratic nation, likewise Buhari. We saw that when he tried to run for a third term on the sole basis that he kept the nation together and managed to save money all whilst failing to improve infrastructure.

Like it or not, when looked at objectively GEJ's administration did more during his tenure than any other government in Nigeria's history. There was a clear detachment between GEJ's PDP government and that of OBJ which is why the latter attacked the former as much as he did.

When the previous administration removed subsidy did the current charlatans in power not initiate protests?

And Dasuki was in a position where he would legally have access to that money, that he took and used it for non-security related purposes is tragic but should be dealt with in court. You will never end corruption or any other manner of crime. Human beings make bad decisions and it is for the courts to deal with those who break the law.

As to your comment about NOI saving money, she did. The problem is that a cabal of governors sued for that money which they then squandered. The likes of Amaechi and the criminal in Edo state. What did Rivers state do with the money? What of Katsina? What do they ever do with the money that they receive.

Former Finance Minister, Dr. Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala regarding how lack of political will negatively impacted national savings over the past few years” he said, adding that contrary to the slant given by these loud headlines, Okonjo-Iweala did not indict the Jonathan administration in which she served.

“Rather, she was referring to what many Nigerians already know: the strong opposition by some governors to the Jonathan government’s efforts to save in the Excess Crude Account and the Sovereign Wealth Fund sabotaged this important national priority,” the former minister’s aide said.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/04/15/okonjo-iweala-did-not-indict-jonathan-administration-aide/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-09-21/nigerian-state-governors-to-return-to-court-against-wealth-fund

It's clear that your knowledge of past events is incomplete. I suggest you read up on what happened and not fall into the habit of listening to rumor as is the case in a nation obsessed with religious myth. Learn the truth and you can prescribe correct solutions but when you base your reality on lies, mythology and rumor any prescribed solutions are likely to be erroneous.

You keep repeating that phrase, 'critical thinking' but your responses suggest that you yourself have no clue what that means. Learn to think for yourself. Learn to absorb a breadth of opinions and commentaries and refrain from believing political jargon and you will see how wrong you are in your (adopted) analysis.

FunkyMetahuman:
apologies.. Thats for people who didn't support the policy.
The ban was for everyone, even though corruption didn't let the policy take its full effect. E.g, Import waivers for government agencies.

so, how is it anyone's fault that you refused to see what the government is doing but only wants to hear about problems going presently..

You see want you want to see my friend.

Last week, we saw agric minister distributing free seeds to farmers, nope, that is non of your business.

The insecurity, like book haram affecting our farmers and investors in the north has been thoroughly dealt with to a large extent.. Oh that one is not big deal.
But the economy saboteur of naija delta should be praised.

The news about refineries and modular ones being built, nope you don't care.
Our refineries are still working till today, though not at full capacity, can we say the same in 2014.

What about BVN that single handedly put a close end to ghost workers draining the nations wealth

What about TSA?

What about on going infrastructural project, e.g Lagos Ibadan express way? Abuja Ilorin jebba, Oyo to ogbomosho.
I guess those ones are propaganda even when its happening right in your nose..

What about power project like the one in Benin?

They are about to commence mabilla project that has been their since 1982 and no government deemed it fit to lay down a stone. A plant which would easily be the biggest hydro plant in Africa.
But do you care about that one? I don't think so.


You see what you want to see my friend.

BVN was introduced under GEJ.

Lagos - Ibadan expressway.

In fact everything that you listed that is positive is a left over from the previous 'corrupt' administration. Especially the agricultural and transport policies.

Which refineries are still working now? What is their capacity and how much are they producing?

The farmers in the North East where people are allegedly dying of malnutrition? Or the farmers who are being chased from their farms by violent Fulani herdsmen? Either you are lying or every media house and the various NGOs and international aid agencies are lying...

Why would there be any IDP camps if the Boko Haram issue has been dealt with?

Where did I praise any economic saboteurs? I see what you are doing, throwing in foolish statements that I did not make in a vain attempt to divert the conversation. It just confirms that you do not have a valid point to make. Everything that you've said can easily be rebutted by the truth.

If this administration had a workable plan Nigeria's economy would have not have contracted under this government. They would have simply continued the good policies from the previous government, assuming that was their plan.

Lagos really needs to remove all of these horrible danfos from the roads.

fromnigeria:
Please Whats your source as a human being ?

All human beings come from two other human beings.

Anything else is, at best, speculation. At worst, gross stupidity.

You cannot verify your deity which is why you hide behind the word 'faith'.

Facts can be supported with evidence.

FunkyMetahuman:
so its smart now but people like you wailed that we supposed to have the car company operating first before banning or increasing tax on imported cars (like any sane company would do that).. that's where critical thinking comes to play.. people with foresight already saw the policy was the right thing at the right time.


where is this government dashing out free money? please tell us..
last time I checked, they suspended most of their social programs while some people called all promises canceled.


pinning currency was as old as Nigeria and it is not buhari s policy..
and pinning currency was to check mate inflation.
but now that it has been floated, has it changed the situation?
the inflation we were scared is now up on us..

but people with foresight knows the hardship that comes with it is only temporary once other policies that are already in place starts taking effect.

e.g when refineries come online, the problem of forex will disappear as 40% of our forex goes into importation of fuel and related items.
when Nigeria starts making our own rice or the foods we import daily, the price of dollars will come down even further.

now the question we should be asking is, what is government doing to accelerate the process..
are they subsidizing rice seeds for farmers like they should?
what are they doing about refineries gulping our forex etc.


critical thinking.

You talk about critical thinking but couldn't understand what I meant by subsidising consumption.

And you're hear making foolish assumptions using terms such as 'people like you' when you do not know me or my opinion on past policies.

Why is that "people like you" can't argue policy without attacking individuals that you do not know? Why can you not avoid making assumptions based on nothing but your own ignorance?

I was in full agreement of the ban on older motor vehicles and I'm against government bodies, in particular, importing goods that are currently made in Nigeria.

For example no government agency should be importing vehicles when Nigeria has Innoson.

We have all asked what the current government is doing to ramp up production and self-reliance. The latest news is that this government has reverted to the previous administration's agricultural policy because as we can see in all arenas, this government has no feasible policies of its own.

They have no working economic policy which is why the Nigerian economy has slid in the manner that it has. For seven months there was no communication between government and business leaders. Inevitably, that destroys investor confidence.

No transport policy - the railways were from the previous administration. The same administration that they have been attacking for two years at this point.

This government is constantly talking about oil, ignoring the pledge that they made to diversify the economy.

They accused the previous administration of waste yet they have a budget with even greater recurring expenditure than any other government in Nigerian history.

FunkyMetahuman:
which consumption exactly?

you didn't tell us the policy he made?

e.g gej automotive policy, he banned cars of certain age from entering the country and increased tax on imported cars.. people started shouting gej made cars expensive, but in the end, we have more than 3 cars companies springing up.

last time I checked, the only policy the government has made so far about forex was to float the naira... so what other forex policy are talking here?

The Auto policy is an intelligent one - you tax importation so that you increase production, employment and consumption.

When you hand out free money you don't solve any problems - that is what I mean by subsidising consumption. Just as he did by continuing the foolish oil subsidy scam.

The decision to pin the naira to an artificial dollar rate and then sell to friends of the CBN is destroying the economy because people are falsely claiming to need FOREX for production and then selling for a profit on the black market.

FunkyMetahuman:
policies like?

Like his foolish FOREX policy.

Subsidising consumption by way of cash hand outs for those in poverty.

spartan50:
Why support him if you think he is an extension of the military era.
Look you are biased in your judgement and I think you should be more concerned about the economic policies this current government are implementing.
It makes no sense at all! And you know it but keep mute about it. Don't support this. The truth is your saviour is dumb and lost, so are his followers.

Where did I profess support for OBJ or Buhari?

My point about not being able to eat money is in response to people who argue that OBJ grew foreign reserves when it was more important for Nigeria to build infrastructure and bring in policies that would lead to improvements in quality of life (which he did not do).

And it's clear that Buhari is completely useless but I've known that for years. It is only because the ACN united with CPC that Buhari was given any credibility outside of the North.

You have misread everything that I wrote.

How does Lai Mohammed talk about the democracy that people died for then turn around and support a military dictator?

FunkyMetahuman:
most policies don't take effect immediately .. it takes time.

gej automotive policy was done in 2012, we didn't see the effect until 2015.


let's give the government a chance and if they cannot proof themselves we vote them out.

The policies that Buhari has instituted were tried previously in the 1980s and failed and have caused economic collapse elsewhere, most recently in Venezuela.

spartan50:
Keep leaving in the past. Obj met worse but he built up the reserve. Let your saviour save the economy and save you from hunger. I guess you don't how much for rice now? Wise up brother this is his challenge let him face it squarely and stop complaining... We don't want noise and you shut the hell up and focus on your life instead of defending numb skulls. God bless Nigeria

You cannot eat money.

Money sat idle does nothing for anyone.

You people are obsessed with 'reserves' rather than production or anything that would aid development.

Why don't you ask what OBJ did with all the money that was meant to be used to revitalize the electricity sector?

OBJ was simply an extension of the military era which is why Nigeria is where it is and why electing Buhari was foolish.

AZeD1:
GEJ blamed cabals.
Different sides same coin.

And we still see how cabals are using their influence to push stupid policies such as the FOREX policy on top of the foolish petroleum product subsidy.

The oil price has dropped but that is only 15% the economy - what happened to the rest? Why has that stagnated? Have any of the policies pushed by this administration helped rather than hindered this economy?

Any council headed by Buhari is a waste of time.

Stupid people do stupid things.

This is the result of religious faith, you can convince weak minded individuals to do anything.

Buhari's Nigeria where civil actions lead to arrest before trail.

No more free press.

No more peaceful protest.

Can the banks really afford to suddenly close for two working days like this?

Alezy:
I never thought these two tribes will ever fight em selves.

They do it all the time.

There was another incident earlier this year in Lagos that left at least one dead.

And didn't herdsmen kidnap someone in Yorubaland a few months back?

We can all see who the trouble makers are and yet the people east and west of the Niger prefer to argue with each other - why?

EdCure:
I'm in Benin. That puts me in a position to authoritatively assert that the worst Oshiomhole is far better than the best Igbinedion.

I am in no doubt that you share this same view with me, though secretly. Same way you're going to secretly vote for Godwin Nogheghase Obaseki this Saturday after enjoying the PDP mobilization money.
Who doesn't love good governance?

Lucky was terrible for Edo state but I fear that people will chose erroneously again.

Unless there is a debate in which each candidate is forced to discuss issues and present solutions then no one can vote with an informed opinion.

I've heard of people saying that they will vote for one candidate or another because he is a pastor or because they just want 'change' which is the same foolish mistake that was made at a national level and see what has happened...

This man is delusional.

What has he done where anyone would give him a promotion?

He's been a disaster at the NFF.

Foolish man.

Which 'excesses' was he speaking of?

People are finally awakening to the truth.

GEJ was much better than a lot of people gave him credit for.

GMB is the worst Nigeria has ever had - rational people knew this three decades ago.

Until Nigerians have the sense to fight their own leaders for their rights - good educational institutions, good transport networks and other amenities that will allow the economy to thrive then this will keep happening.

Stop thinking you have 10 hours a week to waste in church or at the mosque when some of you can't expect to have 10 hours a week of mains electricity.

manutdrichie:
Are you very serious that you dont know??

Tell me if you know instead of asking a question to my question.

Both of these people are a waste of space.

But what development do any of these visits bring?

How does John Kerry's visit assist the North?

They'll still marry children tomorrow.

They'll still have issues with fistula and polio.

And what benefit has been derived from diplomats visiting SCOAN?

Lawlahdey:
I don't understand... how do you even wake and decide to be an atheist??

How do you deceive yourself into believing in virgin births?

Illiterate men writing entire books.

Child marriage.

Men living for hundreds of years.

Men losing their strength because someone cut their hair.

And a host of other nonsense that fills the pages of Nigeria's two favorite religious books.

Maybe they shouldn't build in such an area if it can wash away the roads in such a manner.

Or maybe they need to hire better, more reputable contractors who won't cut corners in such an extreme fashion.