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Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂😂so a message that contains Jesus hating poor people is not a fraud?

I never gave you an answer... I have defended the one I started with of which you too understand better that there is no scriptural evidence to proove that those Jesus visited were poor... If you want to start a new conversation you can let me know

GothamCities:
If that's your understanding, it is not theologically sound.

He said he was poor but he made many rich. That doesn't mean he was rich. A poor man can make another person rich. A sick person can cause another to be healed. His confession about himself takes precedence before the outcome of his actions. You're looking at the outcome without considering the precedence. Very faulty logic and unwholesome theology.

There's no need to answer you anymore anyway. Thanks for your time.

He had nothing physically but has everything by faith in Christ because Christ is the embodiment of all riches.

Theologically of you are sound you would have known that there is no scriptural evidence to proove that Paul or even the Apostles were poor... We wouldn't have had this argument if you were theologically sound...

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂So Paul was making people financially rich in his gospel ministry?

the other guy dropped a scripture, it's there for you to see and read... Lol

GothamCities:
Did he say he had nothing? Yes or no?

Do he say they were poor? Yes or no.

Done for now. Please have s nice day. I don't have time for unnecessary arguments.

he made many rich and also
Possessed all things so he wasn't poor even from the scripture you dropped...

Truthseeker10:
So is this message a fraud?

I will rather not be hasty to lie just because I want to paint a pastor as fraud... That's why I asked for scriptural evidence so that I can make sound judgement unfortunately none of you could come up with one... It was nice having this discussion with you ..

GothamCities:
Even Paul made references to himself and the other disciples as "...though poor, making many rich." 2 Cor. 6:10.

If you cannot draw inspirations from the events I described, draw one from Paul's direct statement in 2 Cor. 6:10.

2 Corinthians 6:10 As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things. infact the scripture you dropped proves that Paul was rich.. he made people rich and possessed everything... You still haven't shown any scriptural evidence that the disciples were poor

spiSeyi:
There's nothing like more anointed! Based on your context the then Apostles were kingdom focused while most of today's apostles are after their stomach

so based on which context can you say one era of the apostles was more anointed than the other ..

GothamCities:
I don't like it when you keep stressing that I'm lying without first confirming the said lie. It's not a good way to discuss scriptures at all.

Mathew 17:24 -27 was where Christ was asked for tribute money and He had to send Peter to fish for it. Peter took a coin out of the fish money simply because there was none available in anyone's purse at the time.

It seems you're only doing this for arguments sake as you completely ignored the reference to Judas. I would not continue with you if I find this to be the attitude you bring to these issues.



Did I say there was no wine? I told you that the wine finished and there were no funds to immediately buy more. Go and read again. Mary said they have no wine, because the wine finished and there was no money money to buy more.



I thought you knew the scriptures enough to mentally navigate scriptures yourself and have underling without reference.

Let me tell you, the disciples were poor during Christ's presence and afterwards. Paul actually was taking offerings of the gentile churches to feed the disciples in Jerusalem after Christ's departure. 2 Corinthians 8 and several other scriptures highlight this situation.

When the disciples , Peter and John appeared before the Sanhedrin in Acts 4:13, were they treated like rich folks. They were termed ignorant and ordinary men.

They were actually not rich. Jesus associated more with the poor than with the rich. In His parable of the rich man, He put poor Lazarus in a conspicuously good position in heaven while also condemning the rich whose entry into heaven would be like that of a camel passing through a needle's eye.

Do not ever think the person with a suffering opinion to yours is lying without first giving that individual the opportunity to fully establish his viewpoints. I can take you far deeper into the scriptures if you have the time.

The scripture you dropped didn't say the Disciples were poor that he asked Peter to go to the fish... The bible never said Peter or any other disciple was poor .. so you still haven't dropped any scriptural evidence that says the disciples were poor...

Were the Apostles then more anointed than the Pastors/Apostles of today?

GothamCities:
The disciples were poor, who doesn't know this? There was a time there was nooney to even pay tribute. None of the disciples could help. Jesus had to send Peter to catch a fish in the river with some coins in its mouth. Judas sold his Master for 30 shekels of silver. He needn't do that if he were rich.

Rich people often throw parties with a lot of funfair. Food may finish but not drinks. If there are too much people, food may finish, and since food is not something that could be made available in an instance, there'll be guests who won't get something to eat in that party. But for drinks, they'll instantly order for kore in absolute surplus to ensure that everyone has enough drinks.

What did Marty tell Jesus? "They have no wine." The couple were just about to be disgraced when Jesus intervened. If the wine finished, and they had the means to order for more, Jesus needn't not make wines for the couple. Mary said they have no one because they couldn't even afford to get more.

provide scriptural evidence from the Bible that the disciples were so poor that they couldn't pay tribute... That's a lie...

As for the wedding, the wine finished, don't tell me there was no wine.. there was wine but the wine finished... That in no way mean they were poor... Even the rich folks run out of items that's why they restock when they are running out of items... Lastly you still haven't provided any scripture that says the disciples were poor or that the couples at the wedding were poor...

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂when it concerns Ibiyeomie telling a blatant lie, "that would be all for now". So when are you going to ask Ibiyeomie to tell you where the bible says that Jesus hated poor people since you seem to have a problem that Jesus could have visited poor people even though the bible does not specify?

Truth is like I said on my first comment, I don't even agree with some of the things him or many other pastors/priest say cos you can sometimes see obvious manipulation to extort money from members...

GothamCities:
All His disciples were very poor folks. The first wedding he attended was that of poor couples who could not provide enough wines for their guests.

Ibiyeomie was absolutely wrong. He was heretical.

Ibiyeomie might be wrong about many things but you don't have to lie to prove he is wrong... About the wedding he attended, there is no scriptural evidence that they were poor... Wine finishing in wedding doesn't mean poor..
There are some weddings I have attended even for the food to get to me was a problem but they are rich couples... Many factors could play a part to it... As for the disciples, there is also no scriptural evidence they were poor... You can drop scriptures to back your claim

Truthseeker10:
Did Ibiyeomie say that?

at least you have accepted tactically that I never said that... That will be all for now . ..

Truthseeker10:
You've not still told us where the bible says that Jesus hated poor people oo.

there was no time I said Jesus hated the poor, provide evidence I said that...

ottajah:
Jesus visited Lazarus sisters....Mary and Martha and Peter house where He healed the mother in-law...The Bible never recorded that thses person were materially Rich!

exactly, the bible never said they were poor...

Mom007:
I'm not trying. Go and do it yourself. U have a brain in your head and eyes too. You have the same 2 hands. And I am hoping the power of deductive thinking. If after all I wrote up there, you still feel the need to make this daft statements, just to proove whatever point you think you have, then just go on believing that Jesus hates the poor ok... salvation is not for everyone. Hellfire must be populated too afterall.

that's because there is no scripture like that

olamoses75:
you’re exactly like your monicker

yeah, your anus also smells especially after defecation... So technically everyone has or have had a smellinganus at one point and will still have as long as they are alive..

immaculatesense:
Is there scriptural evidence that Jesus took his bath?
The answer to your question is NO.
No answer mine. Does the fact that there was no scriptural evidence to show that Jesus took his bath shows that Jesus never bathed? Please, answer my question.

Thanks.

it just shows you agree there is no scriptural evidence.. thanks..

PHIPEX:
Maybe you can tell us whether Mary Magdalene who was fetching water from a well was rich or poor?

Same Jesus who had to feed hungry multitude with bread and fishes? Met with Peter and John who toiled all night fishing, if by these you don't know these were all poor people then you don't deserve a minute of my time.

Don't be a nuisance

I never said they are rich or poor... You are the one trying to prove that the disciples were so poor they couldn't pay tax and you couldn't show me a scripture that says they were so poor that they couldn't pay tax...

Krismas:
U cannot be a big man if u no go school or employ someone wey go school.
My point follow.
How many rich men fish by themselves? Name just one u know.
Peter poor like church rat. Its clear from the stories

like I said... You didn't provide scriptural evidence.. this is not to say the Pastor is right but at least counter him with Truth from the scriptures and not assumption.

Krismas:
The pastorpreneur in question is the LIAR Ibiyeomie, who said jesus never visited the poor.
How did Ibiyeomie know Martha was rich?
Otherwise Ibiyeomie na LIAR and his preaching na scam

LoL... At least you now agree there is no scripturalevidence Jesus visited the poor

PHIPEX:
You can also request for any evidence that Jesus ever ate breakfast. So why not go and preach that Jesus never ate breakfast because we can find it in the Bible.

I am happy you couldn't provide any evidence... Lol

Krismas:
Peter get money, na him e no go school?
No fisherman back den had money. It was a smelling job for wretched people.
Make una dey wyne una selfs.
Pastorpreneurs

no be every big man wey go school so your point no follow... Provide scriptural evidence say Peter poor..

Krismas:
The fake man of god said Jesus never visited the poor.
So the real question is, how did he assume Martha was rich?
When its obvious she lived in the village and waited on tables herself with no servants.
Back in those days, u can't be rich if u don't have servants

truth is there is no scripture to proove that Martha was poor... Yes I agree that many Pastors/priests try to manipulate their members to get more money from them.

Yemike:
Jesus was a family friend to Lazarus's family and visited them from time to time.
He visited Peter's mother in-law that was down with malaria.
Visited the man by the pool of Bethsaida who for 38 yrs couldn't visit the hospital.
Most of His disciples were illiterate and poor.

in all of this you didn't provide any scripture to proove that they are poor

Krismas:
Answer the question.
Which rich woman lives in the village and has no servants?
Abi where was it written in the bible dat Martha was rich?

now you get the point... It was not written that she was rich or poor so no need to lie with the scripture just because we want to attack the Man of God .. truth is I am not even comfortable with that statement from the Pastor but we should have a scriptural proof to counter such... It's not about emotions but what is written...

Mom007:
No, You missed the point. Stop doing this pastor said this, or that pastors said that. Search it out yourself. It's the same bible you are supposed to be reading that they are supposed to be reading as well. It was a normal thing for Jesus to be with the poor. He was always with them. It was nothing remarkable. His whole ministry was first and foremost, to the Jews, a poor and downtrodden people because at that time, they were slaves in roman territory after having being carted away when Jerusalem fell to Jerusalem enemies. Read your Bible so nobody can bobo you. The fact that He dined with a few rich was only remarkable and worth mentioning because it was totally out of character for HIM.

at least you were unable to provide a scripture where Jesus visited the poor... I appreciate...

olamoses75:
Mary and Martha that he visited, they’re rich abi. What about his own family? Are they rich? How many rich people are among his twelve disciples? The first four disciples are common fishermen, yet people like you keep preaching on how Jesus hate poor people. The 5000, and 4000 people he took to the wilderness and eventually and miraculously fed, are they rich. How many rich people did Jesus even visited? Maybe you should also answer that

you are not even sure... Don't guess just bring a scripture that involves Jesus visiting the poor that's the best way to attack a Pastor that says Jesus never visited the poor.

Truthseeker10:
Jesus hated poor people?

Apparently you didn't follow the conversation before commenting...

immaculatesense:
I don't know where you saw an agreement sir.
The supposed pastor accused Jesus of discrimination and you want me to support him?
He said "Jesus did not visit any poor man BECAUSE THEY ARE POOR AND HE HATED POVERTY."
That is an allegation against our faith which should be round condemned across the board.

Thanks.

and I asked , is there a scriptural evidence to proove Jesus visited the poor?

Krismas:
Luke 10:38-42

38 Now it came to pass, as they went, that he entered into a certain village: and a certain woman named Martha received him into her house.

39 And she had a sister called Mary, which also sat at Jesus' feet, and heard his word.

40 But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? bid her therefore that she help me.

41 And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things:

42 But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.


a. Jesus went to the house of Martha
b. Martha lived in the village
c. Martha had no servants cos she was serving alone and needed the help of her sister mary
How many rich people live in the village and have no servants?

there was no where in the bible where it is said Martha was poor... So you are wrong except you have a scripture to back it...

Krismas:
Matt 8:14 Jesus in Peter's house.
Abi Peter fisherman get money?
Mark 1:29 Jesus go Andrew house
Abi CBEX pay Andrew ni?

Yes some Fishermen get money... No where for Bible them talk say Peter no get money.. so you are wrong except you wan show me the scripture