lastclaire4:


Where did you get your assertion also? I am not saying that guy is right.

Did i make any assertions?

I simply asked him questions. Read it again ma

proclinician:


U see this ur stupid mentality, as long as people continue to think like this, there may be no survivor of this disease in Africa.

You think the banker became ill and died 2 days after? Do you know how long the banker has been asymptomatic while also spreading the disease till the virus defeated his defenses and he died?

I am ashamed and i feel very for Africans. Look at black monkeys marching to their graves i don't know where they're going to.

Discipline saved china
Arrogance punished America and Europe
Ignorance will bury Africa if we do not wake up

Thank you sir or ma for this ur post.

lloyds:
The banker got I'll on friday. . Corona virus doesn't kill in 2 days...

Most of those deaths in Kano can't be covid 19 because it doesn't kill suddenly, it usually takes up to at least 7 days after showing systoms. .

Even Malaria has killed up to 29 persons in Nigeria since we began locked down.

I don't believe this desease can thrive in Africa like it does in the west.

On what evidence are u saying corona does not kill in 2 day

Who told u when the banker was infected

Do u know when he started showing symptoms

Do u know his previous health history

Pls, if u dknt have any evidence for ur assertions, consider making ur statements sound like questions, instead of statements or assertions.

teadrake:

Herd immunity may be our way out of this. Is simply the process whereby a significant percentage of infected population confers immunity to the rest of the population. This method was used in the management of pas outbreak but can we withstand its effect Thousands of people are already infected in Nigeria. Herd immunity might be the best approach

With upto millions of Nigerians dying.

In advanced countries, its up to 4 percent death rate.

In Nigeria with our lack of healthcare, poor nutrition and sanitation, it could be up to 10 percent death rate. But our warm weather might help to reduce that.

So all in all, to get herd immunity, expect that anywhere between 3 to 10 percent of Nigerians will die, that is 3 million to 10 million.

This looks like numbers and statistics, until u imagine that some of these will be people known to you and me.

Modified
Unfortunately, recent press release from WHO is saying that there is no evidence of becoming immune after having the virus. If this is true, herd immunity will not work. This means total destruction of Nigeria

Ghen ghen

DesignHave:

This pandemic is sure going to cost more people their jobs.

The main issue is that there's no way to help them out during this period. No way.
Every Nigerian is on their own and it's really sad.

I'm just glad this is opening the eyes of Nigerians to how our voting decisions and indecisions have a long term effect.
Just Sad

Are you sure it will open their eyes

I dont have the faith you have. I only HOPE it will open their eyes

Matrimonous come oooo. E don happen. I told u that corruption is the problem. If the thieves leading us can steal the air we breathe, they will

Matrimonous:
Tango123 I hope you didn't miss this thread.

Oga Matrimonous, having read the thread, I agree that just like you, the man has a good point.

Our main problem is our thieving leaders.

Their main priority now is not to save us, but more money, and 2023.

It's a pity. But it's the truth.

[quote author=Matrimonous post=88795216]Tango123 I hope you didn't miss this thread. [

Oga Matrimonous, having read the thread, I agree that just like you, the man has a good point.

Our main problem is our thieving leaders.

Their main priority now is not to save us, but more money, and 2023.

It's a pity. But it's the truth.

Matrimonous:
Tango123 I hope you didn't miss this thread.

Oga matrimonous, I haven't read it.

But I said previously lockdown for its own sake is bad. Lockdown is only to buy time to get ready.

The problem we have is that our leaders are thieves. Instead of using the lockdown to put things in place, they are still using it as opportunity to steal our money

neweraomo:
haa you should be isolated till we are sure you don't have the virus ooo..3 people tan

This is exactly why people are not being named by the government, because we will stigmatised them. Some people may even be lynched. Or their families killed .

I personally know 3 person who have tested positive of Corona virus

IMAliyu:

Let us do the math.

The highest number for mortality rate I've seen is 3%.
We have a population of 200m.
(3÷100)*200=6

So if the whole Nigeria were to be infected we would have dead 6million people (God forbid).
This would be deaths directly caused by the virus.
But we can't calculate the number of deaths that could occur because of unemployment, starvation, the global economy collapse, recession.

God save us all.

Your last paragraph said it all sir.

I accept I didnt do the calculations as you did. But I know the 3 percent mortality rate is in Rich countries with good healthcare. I fear it will be worse in Nigeria without good healthcare. No country comparable to Nigeria has had a huge outbreak yet through which we can compare.

Bad healthcare, malnutrition, hunger, poverty, illiteracy, lawlessness, these are the things that may make our case more than average global mortality rate.

Although the relative young average age in Nigeria may help reduce the impact. The vast majority of our population is less than 40.

Kano state is said to have ran out of testing kit. Imagine

Daboomb:


It is not just high population but also stupidity and ignorance!
Kano that still hosted a football competion in a jam-packed stadium as of Yesterday, during this Pandemic?

What other states should do is lock-out people from kano state from entering thier states because l can assure you, with the reckless behaviour of these fools, the virus will infect hundreds of thousands in that state alone, in the next one week.
Just dey watch.

If your assertion is true, that they hosted a football match, then, I weep for my country.

Indeed there was a country.

With the way Nigeria is going, I think this virus will have a field day in Nigeria. I think it will kill many, and reduce our population to maybe 150 million, from the current 200 million

I say this with tears, because I know even those who are responsible and respecting social distancing will be affected. Very sad

ojuu4u:


Bcaus women disappointed and broke ur heart, u shouldn't generalized it, women hardly break my heart, ........I can read BTW the line now.

Lwkmd

Hahahahahaha.

There are two ways to learn in life. From your own experiences, or from that of others.

I learn from both.

No woman has broken my heart because I have not been stupid since I became an adult and began making money. That's because i learnt from the experiences of others.

Choose ur style bro. Enjoy. Its ur hearts ur money, ur energy, ur time

ojuu4u:
thank you very much we av arrived in same conclusion, any lady that's free to date married men, its a free world... Leave them stop imposing ur opinions on women as if they are slave or subhuman

Where did I say women are not free to date who they want

Or where did I impose my opinion on women.

I challenged ur statement that suggested women should expect to have their finances taken care of by men. And that men should strive to satisfy women financially

But of course, any man who wants to spend on women is free to do so. Any woman who wants to depend on men is free to do so.

Each of them has consequences
For the man, heartbreak when the woman goes to a richer man. For the woman, dependency on another human being with attendant sacrifices and risks.

But to each his own.

My choice is clear. I dont spend money on women to get sex or love.

The only woman who is entitled to my money is my mother and my under age daughters. But I train children to grow up and be able to look after themselves, without depending on a man. Of course, when they grow up, they can choose their own path in life

ojuu4u:



Because you and ur girl are professionals , u dnt deem it fit to spend penny for her....congratulations once again .....first born of God. If ur narrative is true, I pity that poor girl having relationship with you. Of course I said earlier ,single guys get furnished accommodation and continuing having free sex because of empty promises of marriage.

Enjoy ur life bro. You are a free man. Live your life the way u want it.

If your goal in life is to make women happy, carry on. If your goal in life is to make yourself a slave to a woman because of sex or love or attention, carry on.

I have made up my mind on how to live my life. It works for me.

If yours works for u, carry go bro. Its ur life. Your money. Your time.

ojuu4u:
you should also reset ur brain that married and single who ready to spend will keep fucking and snatching ur girls........no wonder u are ranting...... The post hit u like bullet

Hahahaha. U make me laugh real hard. Lmao really.

When I was a teenager, I behaved like you described. I gave women money for sex. I believed u could buy attention and love.

But by early 20s, I realised that you can't buy love.

And to tell you the truth, for the past 5 years, I have been in a stable relationship. I did not buy her attention or love. She works. I work. She is a professional like myself. Our relationship is based on equality. She does not insult me. I have never laid my finger on her. Finances are shared.

But if someone else takes her from me because they gave her money, I will celebrate and thank God, that I did not spend a single extra day with someone who wants money, and not me

Improve ur believe in urself bro. Love yourself

If you do, you will not believe you need a womans love, sex, or attention to be alive and be happy

ojuu4u:



That's designed by nature the earlier you knw the better for u. You don't want to spend and yet u want women to be flock around u....uhmmmmmm..... U be presido son now......even guys rush male friend that rich

I dont spend on women. And I get sex when I want it, From women.

I believe in equality. Any woman who expects me to spend on her is struck of my list of friends. It's as simple as that.

ojuu4u:
The truth but bitter fact is that married men take good care of ladies far ,far, better than single, single guys will just be having free sex, all in the name .. Virtual and empty marriage promises,

A situation in which two or more girls will be meeting in the house of single guys and u must endure it,

Married men can easily set up business or pay school fees but for single, its story upon story, single guys break heart of ladies far more than married men do, pls go out and do ur findings very well, either u dated married men or not when u are single, it doesn't stop u from married a cheating hubby.

Y should a lady depend on a man for money.

Y should the single men pay school fees for a lady

Your post makes some sexist and gender based assumptions that fuel dependency in women, and encourages toxic masculinity in men

yerokunphilips:
God our eyes are on you ,we know we don't have what it takes to handle this . Even the so called world powers are overwhelmed, talkless of our nation . God you are help of the helpless ,help us as a nation ,as a continent and the world as a whole . We plead for mercy. All these we asked in Jesus Christ mighty name .

It's like una eyes don open for Nigeria. Some of us shouting since were told its malaria. It doesn't affect blacks.

Una eyes don dey open

Sorry bro, I dont mean u were among the people who said it was audio virus in Nigeria.

Corrinthians:
I have said what I want to. I pray Kanus fate doesn't befall you. Your hate is sickening.

Who are you recommending should forgive the other. Those who hated first, or those who hated because they were hated. Or is it both?

Is it the person or persons who began the hating? Or the person or persons that began hating because he or she or they were hated?

This man has come again.

Anyone who listens to him kn Corona virus is a fool

If I want to know about how to pray, I will go to a priest or pastor. If I want to know how to protect myself from Corona Corona virus, i will listen to epidemiologists and virulogists

Chriswazo:
Cruelty at it's peak, a lady for God's sake, mtcheew. Am pained really

Lady or man, the action was wrong.

Stop treating women as weaker. It is wrong. It encourages them to play victim and incriminate men unjustly. It also prevents men from speaking out when wronged because they will be told to man up.

Condemn the action sir, without any reference to gender of the victim

SafariBoy:
Please all kind-hearted nairalanders should help me out! I have exhausted my provisions and i have been managing to eat something good for some days now. Any assistance rendered will be highly appreciated. God bless you all. O.A.A , 2001690611, Zenith bank.

Hmmmm

Matrimonous:

Dear, both Ebola and Covid-19 are very similar with respect to modes of transmission. The major difference is that ebola proved to be far more contagious and about 20times deadlier than the covid - 19.
Both are being addressed in same ways with respect to stopping the spread like use of PPE and decontamination.
The major difference in the handling is that the white man brought up the aspect of lockdown which before now was unknown to us. It's needless to state that lockdown could as well have been instituted in the fight against ebola. Had it been Ebola that afflicted China there would have been a lockdown of course. So you see, there can really be no difference between how they can both be addressed.
This extra measure(lockdown) we've adopted on covid-19 which actually is also applicable to Ebola but was never mooted came from copying.
Anyone knows that between the two, Ebola was by far deadlier to us(reaching fatality rates of up to 90% as against 10% for covid-19) because tropics is home to it and if anyone of the two deserved an extra measure it's the Ebola.
At first I had personally supported the lockdown but as we got on with it I realized it was doomed. We haven't copied well as we don't have the means for it and then the news of sharing billions of Naira in just 3days to individuals that don't even want to be identified as poor was even sickening. I saw corruption at work. With all those billions shared how many Nigerians have facemasks?. The very things needed by the masses to check the spread and for protection were lacking and outrightly very expensive. What was done in making them available and affordable?
We have local factories wishing to produce facemasks massively and even a governor has declared he was only waiting for the Federal Government's green light to supply millions of facemasks from his state to the rest of the country. In a nutshell, government doesn't seem to be patronizing local production of key supplies needed against covid-19. I believe even sanitizers can be produced massively enough to drive the price down. I made the ones I'm using following WHO's guidelines as it became pretty expensive to buy.
On the last thing you've suggested on bringing up alternative steps we could've taken in a bid to contain the virus, that is something already within my wits but then it could take pretty much of my time to plan and list the steps. After wracking my brain on it right here on nairaland it do be just another comment. Of what use will it be after all the efforts?
If I were writing an article or research work to be published that do be my gain at least.

Good morning sir.

Your critique of the corrupt behaviours of the Nigerian government is spot on.

And so are the many things you said above.

But for the sake of those who read on nairaland and who may not have the time to do research, I wish to state again my disagreement with your point that Ebola and Covid are similar. THEY ARE NOT SIMILAR.

Yes ebola has higher fatality rate than covid19. But, there is a point which you have refused to accept. I will state it below

You can only infect someone with ebola if you have started showing symptoms. So if you are isolated at that point, you wont infect anyone else.

But with Covid, you can give it to someone even if you are not showing symptoms. That is why it is way more infectious. In the sense that you can travel from lagos to Abuja in a bus or plane, infect everyone in the plane or bus, and while in Abuja, as you take public transportation moving around to do your business, you infect even more people.

Now imagine that scenario. That man within one week of travelling from Lagos to abuja could infect up to 500 people (assuming use of public transport, which is the mode of transportation for most Nigerians). And he would not even know. Mind you, incubation period for Covid is up to 3 weeks for those who show symptoms. Some never do and still infect others

Compare that with ebola, he will not infect people until he begins to have symptoms, at which time once he is isolated, no more contagion.

Sir, whatever you write here about your well thought out critique of Nigerian government handling of this crisis, please dont conflate it with ebola as that will send the wrong message.

In same countries, lockdown is not lockdown for it's own sake. Lockdown is used to buy time so that they increase testing, provide more masks, increase hospital capacity, etc etc. In Nigeria, our politicians have always been corrupt, and they will and are using this as opportunity to steal more. And they forget that when shit hits the fan, even they themselves can also die. If the death of Kyari doesn't teach them that they are not immune to covid19, I can't teach them that.

Our lockdown should be an opportunity to slow spread a but, get testing extremely high so that we can isolate cases fast enough, introduce compulsory use of masks. But like in many things, our leaders will not do that. Instead they are busy looking for ways to steal more money.

So, let's differentiate political incompetence and corruption from epidemiological science. Let's differentiate lack of leadership from thorough public health principles. Conflating the two risks grave errors.

At next election, if we Nigerians want to, we can continue to elect people on the basis of tribe and religion. If we do that, we get what we deserve. And when shit hits the fan, then we face the consequences without complaining. He or she who brings ant infested firewood into his or her house is inviting lizards to a feast.

Matrimonous:

It's not about learning from poor countries but not copying rich countries on stategies we don't have the capacity for. I put it to you that had it been Ebola virus that we didn't implement lockdown on that those rich countries had faced, what they are doing now is exactly what they would have done.
Lockdown strategies won't work here. Let it go on long enough and anarchy could result. Even the law enforcement agents have killed more Nigerians than the virus and counting.
Most Nigerians are poor and rely on their daily hustle to feed. The government has no capacity to keep them at home or fend for them. People are starving with nothing to eat.
Not even as if the lockdown is even working as people are going about everywhere unprotected, without facemasks, begging for food and even fighting over food items with zero social distancing. It has also resulted in a hike in crime rates as one million boys no longer allow some residents close their eyes to sleep at night.
Rich countries that are implementing lockdown are not reporting these issues.

Shutting the ports is one right thing the government did and planning out strategies that suits our own unique circumstances is another thing they could have done than doing copy copy.
They are not even doing enough testing self. Ghana with its small population had done over 50,000 tests whereas Nigeria is still on 7,000.

Oga, u have a big point on lack of social supports for Nigerians by the government

U are right that Nigeria is not doing enough testing. What if that is the reason we are having low numbers of confirmed cases? I really dont know.

But then again, as I said, u are right that hunger is making people not able to respect the lockdown. And that has the potential of leading to social anarchy

So what do you suggest. You are raising valid points. How do you want the government to control this virus. Let's move away from what they are not doing. I will like to hear from you what they should be doing right now.

Whatever you suggest, dont say because it worked for ebola. As we both agreed, they are different viruses, affect different body systems, transmit in different ways, and people become infectious at different times.

I will really love to hear ur suggestions. You really sound intelligent. I love exchanging ideas with fellows like u sir

Matrimonous:

You didn't get my point at all.
My point is that we are doing copy copy in following the strategies adopted by countries where covid-19 is far more virulent. Strategies that as a poor nation we have no capacity for.
I went on to state that rather than employ copy copy strategies we should rather have fashioned our own way of combating it. A strategy we could better handle, one we have the capacity for.

Good point. But dont forget this is a new virus and no country has the answers. People are learning from countries that have successfully reduced the spread. Incidentally, no poor tropical country has done that. So we can't learn from them. Our own experts might be playing it safe. I dont know.

Personally, what I think we need to do is compulsory face mask for everyone. That at least should be the minimum. And serious contact tracing of current diagnosiled cases. Other than that, I really dont have an answer. As I said earlier, I am not an epidemiologist. I am not a virologist.

Matrimonous:

The fact remains that we are doing copy copy in following the lockdown of the rich countries we don't even have the capacity for.
Another fact you need to understand and the more reason we ought to have developed strategies that will work for us and which we could handle is that covid-19 is not home to the tropics unlike Ebola. For that reason it's no way as virulent here as it is in nations practising lockdown.
It was only one Ebola case that got to us yet imagine the level of damage it caused, how many died and how we struggled with it. We even had assistance from international bodies. One more Patrick sawyer at that time could have been a disaster.
Using when either of the viruses becomes infective isn't an effective line of defence because Ebola was far more contagious and 10times deadlier over here than covid-19 yet we didn't practice lockdown. No one gets isolated before the symptoms show and before it's confirmed to be ebola it's already spreading like wildfire. That's what counts. Countries where covid-19 was highly virulent and who have employed lockdown mechanism moved from one index case to over 100,000 within weeks. We are nearly two months with covid-19 but yet to even reach mere 500 cases so how can you compare our situation with theirs based on when the virus becomes infective?
Had the level of virulence we have here been what the West have had to deal with they could have wiped the virus from their countries long ago and had we had the level of contagion as they are facing over there we do have been finished long ago as a nation and no level of lockdown could have saved us.
If the funds been stolen and wasted on cash transfers were utilized on a better approach that suits our unique situation it could have served us better.

Sir, u are combining a number of issues. Let's separate them out.

We are now both in agreement that for the reason of transmission routes, infection rate, when people become infectious after contacting the virus, for these 3 reasons, we should not manage the 2 diseases the same way.

Are we in agreement with that? If yes, then let's move on to another point.

On whether we should copy European European STRATEGY and lockdown, that one is not for me to decide. You are raising valid question on this point. Ask epidemiologists who are specialists in tropical conditions. They are the ones to answer you. I am an expert in mental health conditions. Not in epidemiology and public health.

But know this, there is something we call precautionary principle. Covid 19 is a new virus. This is the first time it is affecting humans. Scientists are taking precautionary principle measures here. It is better to be safe than sorry.

Back to your main point which I argued against. You point was we should treat Covid 19 the same way we treated ebola. My main point is NO. WE SHOULD NOT. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT STRATEGY FOR DIFFERENT ILLNESSES. YOU DONT KILL COBRA (a snake that can spit and its spit can blind you) THE SAME WAY YOU KILL A PYTHON (a non spitting snake). YOU DONT KILL A MILLIPEDE (very slow moving) THE SAME WAY YOU KILL A CENTIPEDE (very fast moving).

I am sure you now get my point sir.

Matrimonous:

Kindly use this link to read up about the transmission routes of Ebola virus so you don't confuse others.
https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/index.html

Ebola has all the transmission routes of Covid-19 and more.
Additionally, being a tropical virus, it's by far more virulent in the tropics than covid-19 can ever be. Above all, it's well over 10times far deadlier than Covid19.

Did you not read in the link you sent me, that people become infectious with Ebola only when they start to show symptoms

With Covid, people become infectious even without showing symptoms

Some never ever fall sick, but they are infectious, infecting many people they come in contact with

Sir, from the little I have said above, just for the fact that people who have Corona virus CAN infect others with Corona virus without showing symptoms, and people with ebola can't, DOES THAT NOT TELL U THAT WE NEED A DIFFERENT STRATEGY IN DEALING WITH THE TWO DISEASES?

See below which is a screenshot of the page u sent me to

Matrimonous:

Exactly. Those were my thoughts too.
This lockdown is the white man's idea in checking the spread of covid-19. They have the means and resources for it.
We are just doing copy copy cats. Why was there no Lockdown during the Ebola epidemic and wasn't it contained yet it was by far deadlier than covid-19?
If we think out of the box we could find other means of battling this pandemic without doing copy copy.

We are not doing copy copy. We are following epidemiological and scientific advice

Do you know that the two viruses (corona and ebola) have different transmission routes and incubation period.

That is the difference here sir.

Have you asked yourself how long Corona virus can survive on a surface. Up to 72 hours sir.

Coughing and just speaking spreads corona virus. Was it the same for Ebola?

henryobinna:
exactly, I was wondering if they just sew materials into the ship of face masks they'll definitely be protective but will be very very minimal when compared with the required face masks.

These ones here might be good for dusts but I doubt if they'll be protective enough against the virus.

I don't know much but I just hope am wrong

There is a difference between medical grade masks used in hospitals. Even in hospitals, the types used in surgeries is different from the ones used in treating patients who have a highly infectious disease. So for example, a doctor in LUTH conducting an operation on a heart patient for open heart surgery will use a different mask compared to a doctor attending to a Corona virus patient.

I am sure you understand me now

The masks those guys in the video are producing is not the type to be used in treating an infectious disease patient. It is for u and me to wear when out and about, and reduce the potential of u passing Corona virus to me, and me passing it to u.

It is a mask for mutual public protection. U protect me, I protect u.

Check all over the world right now, the type of mask that they are producing in Aba is what the public are using for mutual public protection. But in hospital, those treating Corona virus patients use a higher grade of mask.

If Nigeria lockdown is lifted in 3 weeks, and everyone wears a mask similar to the one in the video, it will help reduce the spread of Corona virus.

Ayoefa:
[[s]quote author=horsepower102 post=88571893]All Aba needs a dedicated 24 hours power supply and good roads and that city will industrialize rapidly.

Unfortunately Aba is in Nigeria.

[/s]


Why haven't the Aba locality figured out a way to provide all that you stated? Must all solutions comes from Abuja.

There is a reason why it us difficult as a town, city, or state to generate their own electricity without the national grid.

It is simply because the grid is so inter connected. To the extent that whatever you generate and put in, it can reach people who are so far away from you that u cannot collect revenue and recoup your cost. Unless you will get permission to lay your own poles, distribute to your own customers across several streets, and make sure it is not diverted or tapped by those who are not connected legally to you as the electricity generation company.

That above is the reason individual industrialists and businessmen cannot go into power generation and distribution. No state government can even do it because wires go beyond state boundaries.

Even states that have independent power supplies still add it to the national grid mostly.

I dont even believe in state governments becoming involved in power generation. Governments are never good in business. Private businesses always do better.

What we need is enabling laws and environment for individuals and private companies to take over the power generation and supply in Nigeria