₦airaland Forum

Daviddson:
You don't know as much as you claim to know. The guy is completely right. They always draft for war whether they have millions of soldiers or not. You think they'll send all their already trained soldiers to war just like that without having a reserve? Both ladies and men are drafted, no matter how rich your family is.

You have time to be educating people who choose to remain ignorant. They think the US military will deploy already trained soldiers to the front lines. During the gulf wars, some Nigerian youth that got US citizenship were deployed to Iraq less than 6 months after becoming citizens.

Besides the recruits through draft, retired veterans would be called as reserves to man positions left by soldiers deployed overseas, or you think US will leave itself undefended because it is fighting a war overseas.

Randy100:
Your ignorance is raised to power ten. As it stand now American has 3 million soldiers and there is no need to draft young men into the military now.

So says an ignorant person residing in a remote corner of africa. The real Americans are afraid that a war with Iran can lead to a draft.

US government agency website crashes amid panic over military draft

In the aftermath of the US drone strike that killed the Iranian general Qassem Suleimani in Baghdad, the phrase “World War III” began trending on social media.

More startlingly, a US government agency which registers young men for a potential military draft saw its website crash.

“Due to the spread of misinformation,” the Selective Service System (SSS) tweeted on Friday, “our website is experiencing high traffic volumes at this time … We appreciate your patience.”

It added that it was “conducting business as usual” and emphasised that a return to the draft is not imminent: “In the event that a national emergency necessitates a draft, Congress and the president would need to pass official legislation.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/04/us-military-draft-iran-selective-service-system

lurex2rhyme:
B4 not na my mouth u want hear am. D even do some Nigerian na. Buhari ist year in office wen he wanted to take 70 persons to un assembly us no reject some people? Wat did we do. We allowed it because is their country.

You people can argue off point. What concerns Buhari wanting to take 70 people to the UN with the refusal of US to grant Iranian foreign minister visa to attend the UN? Are we talking about the number of people the foreign minister want to take to the UN?

Randy100:
Ewu. America is a country where people love their country. He did not force anybody to be drafted in the military.

False.
There is so much arrogance in ignorance being shown on nairaland.
During a war, all able bodied men between 18 and 25 are drafted into the military. It is called the draft and it is compulsory. You are given an 8 week military training and sent of to the war front.

Trump, a young athlete, avoided the Vietnam draft by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs.

PatriotTemidayo:
How do you know his hands are dirty?


Does Dangote have 20heads? Who says his wife can do a business worth Billions of dollars?

If his hands are not dirty, how come his wife could not explain to US authorities how she came about $16 millions?

emeijeh:
And there are a lot of billionaires there?

And there are no lots of billionaires (in dollars ) here?

specco:
Which country would you want to rise? Iran, Iraq, Syria, Russia,, Libya Can't even imagine the world then. You dont value what you have until you lose it.

China or Russia.
US has only been the world's superpower for less than a 100 years, Rome was the world's super power for close to 500 years. Greece was the world's super power for more than 700 years.

lurex2rhyme:
My brother that un building is in d territory of the united states of american. like it or hate it, they regulate who gets into their territory n who does not.

Then you and Trump are telling us that because the UN is housed in the US, then the US is the UN.

wowcatty:
The UN will have to get the hell out of the US then! What rules of engagement are we talking about here, that will allow the US to open its door for the same govt that just threatened the potus? The UN is really not adding any value to the US and obsolete, good the organization is broke now and will soon re-evaluate what it stands for. The toothless UN couldn't do anything to Iran for not following through on security council resolution that banned Soleimani from leaving Iran, yet want to do something about the US protecting itself, I don't think so! Anyway the UN has its hand full right now and will think twice before getting involved and give Trump reason to pull out of the useless UN, after all, its building in Geneva or wherever it is big enough to house the dumb congregation of globalists.

The UN is useless and yet has been able to keep the world relatively peaceful for over 70 years. Without the UN, I am sure the world would have experienced a nuclear armageddon, which you most likely will not survive. Remember the role the UN played in averting a nuclear war between the US and Russia in the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Remember what led to the formation of the UN after the failure of the league of nations.

Trump and his supporters can be arrogant and destroy the UN because it feels it has amassed deadly weapons. But when a world war starts even the US will suffer.

emmachukwu99:
For now Iran is a threat to the US and such measures are for security purposes... unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it.

So you expect Iranian foreign minister to pose a threat to the US, between JFK airport, the UN building and the Iranian embassy a few meters away, for the one or 2 days that he will be in new York.

Since you say Iran is a threat to the US, why has Trump not expel all Iranian diplomats and close down their embassy in the US?

MrMcJay:
Why is the Iranian minster crying for American visa? He wants to eat Big Mac in New York.

Let him stay in Iran and say whatever he wants to stay. Worst case scenario, let them add him to WhatsApp group let him talk there.

The Iranian minister is not interested in going to US, he is interested in going to the UN. The UN just happened to be in the US.

madridsta007:
It will be tough.

They can easily use a representative, one who has an American and an Iranian visa and is an Iranian nationalist.
There are going to be countless of them.

Will the representative be an official of the Iranian government or a random Iranian picked from the streets?

This move has destroyed the very basis of why the UN was created. The UN was supposed to discuss issues of conflict between members to avoid going to war. It was created after WW2. So how can Iran present it's grievances to the world, and have an opportunity to discuss with the US if it cannot even enter the UN because, it is housed by US?
The UN general assembly needs to be moved to a less war hungry country like Switzerland or it be scrapped altogether.

SpecialAdviser:
I agree with you. But my question is "Why is it that Islam is always seen as the useful religious tool?"

Religion itself is a useful tool for political domination. Christianity also employed violence during the middle ages and during colonisation. Now they use more subtle means.

Many people dont know the origin of the killing of Soleiman. Iran has been planting shia militia proxies to somount Sunni militias. Then they started bombing American interests.

It's all about projecting national interests. The US project national interests by arming and training various governments or sections within the government and label them allies -ie Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Iraq. Iran uses religion, they support Shia groups, and then train and arm them to promote their own interests. Since both Iran and The US are trying to project their influence within the same space, clashes and conflicts are inevitable, and hence the proxy wars. Iran's proxies bombing US interests in the middle east, while US bomb Irans proxies and interests.

So the war is all about Sunni vs Shia again.

Part of it.

Trump's bombing of an Iranian government official can be seen as a terrorist action. Iran has never targeted US officials. Yes, us soldiers (and iranian soldiers) and contractors die in the course of the proxy wars, but no direct confrontation had involved government officials.

The US has no right to bomb Iranian general as there is no formal declaration of war. Even though the US and Iran are involved in a proxy war, the US and Iran are not at war, and the killing was not carried out in a battle field but at an airport. It's like the Iranian leaders ordering the bombing of the US joint chief of staff at the Mexican airport when he visits Mexico. The whole world would term that a terrorist action.

Shibaraba:
When person beat your sister you wan go fight when you reach the house you meet 3 men Wey big like yokosuna na that time your vex go come deflate you go come dey ask "wetin she do".

Iran threaten France show support, UK show support, US dey, Israel auto support. Intimidation Don enter. They will be cowed to submission. The war is over before it even started.

Which France and UK showing support? They are just being diplomatic. Nobody, not even Israel or Saudi Arabia (Irans worst enemies) supports the assassination of Soleimani. You think if Israel wanted to assassinate Soleimani, they would not have done it all these years?

This is General Pompeo complaining about lack of support from Europeans -

Pompeo: European response to Suleimani killing ‘not helpful enough’

Mike Pompeo has expressed disappointment with European reaction to the US killing of the Iranian general Qassem Suleimani, suggesting the UK, France and Germany have not been sufficiently supportive.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/04/mike-pompeo-european-response-to-suleimani-killing

Trump is just trying to blackmail it's allies into a war with Iran

nototribalist:
Wetin we do na?

Why will everything Islamabad affect Nigeria, are we now a moslem country?

Because everything Israel and the US affect Nigeria. As some Nigerians are ready to die for Israel's cause, others are ready to die for Iran or Saudi Arabia's cause.

philip0906:
No one gives a sh1t about Iran. Iran is completely useless in the mix. They have no value to add to first world countries so no one will stick their necks out for them.

You are just yarning rubbish. If Iran is completely useless, which country is completely useful then? Nigeria, Cameroon, Zimbabwe ? Iran/Iraq was the cradle of western civilization.

We are not talking about sticking necks for them, let macron, Johnson or Merkel send troops to fight Iran on the side of the US and watch public reaction. Who do you think will allow his son or family member to go and fight a war solely started by Trump.

kratosonofzeus:
how do you know they were lying about saddam Hussain issues, were you there, what you don't know is that, these u.s has alot of classified files and details which are not public they keep it classified, so tell me how do you know Suleiman was innocent after he allegedly involved in the murdering of Americans indirectly, you can't shit on U.S and get away with it, besides he has been on the U.S watchlist for so many years

You people reason through your ass just to support all Trump's actions no matter how stupid it is. Trump and Pompeo are now bringing in utterly ridiculous excuses for the assassination.
There was a 9/11 commission, that investigated everything related to the 9/11 attacks, they found zero links between saddam Hussein and Al qaeda, in fact he did not even allowed al qaeda in Iraq. Same with Soleimani, there was no link of Soleimani to all qaeda, in fact general Soleimani helped the US fight the Taliban in the early days of the Afghan war.

philip0906:
Now the chickens are coming home to roost. I was telling some nairalanders that when push comes to shove, ALL American allies will rally round the USA.

France have already shown support, now the UK. Germany and co will soon join in. It is normal for friends (in this case allies) to disagree, but that bond cannot be seperated.

You know what this means? Iran now know that they are on a long thing The world Powers are already against them, they have been boxed to one corner already.

It will now be folly on their part, to make any suicidal move

Forget support half heartedly support shown by the leaders of Germany, France and UK, their parliaments and people will not support a war with Iran instigated by Trump. Besides they all don't like Trump, they are only tolerating him as US president.
These leaders have to play the balancing game. They can't show too much support for US because their people don't like Trump and they can show any support for Iran because that would annoy Trump. Remember, the US is still critical to the defense of Europe through NATO.

airmark:
You guys think America is stupid like Nigeria, treating terrorists with kid's glove. The best form of defence is attack, not even when the man had even killed many Americans and never hid his hatred for the country.

This is your Suleimani boasting below, before he got cleaned out. Nonsense.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03JezGLy5qA

So boasting is now a crime that warrants assassination, in that case Kim Jong un should have been assassinated long ago. What of Kanu that promises to destroy the zoo and bring Buhari's head on a plate? Maybe python dance is too mild, Maybe Buhari should have bombed his house with his family and dog in it.

From the video, you see his main grouse was against trump for pulling out of the nuclear agreement and various threats against Iranian leaders. Did he order or encourage anyone to attack the US? Did he lie when he talked about Afghanistan? Is the USA not still fighting the Taliban (a small inequipped militia group ) with over 100,000 troops and still unable to defeat them?

I am not holding forth for Iran, and I am definitely not supporting the Shias and all their destabilising activities, my problem is the use of assassinations and gra gra being employed by Trump. It will exasperate and complicate issues.

garetz:
Are you living on planet Mars? The JCPOA was dead the moment the US pulled out of it over a year ago.

Have you read the JCPOA? You guys just swallow whatever Trump shits out of his ass.

This is the agreement - https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal/1651/

I hope you can read it and comprehend it. This is an agreement signed by five of the most advanced countries of the world with participation of the UN. It smacks of arrogance to think you are wiser than all the people involved in this agreement.

garetz:
What exactly are you arguing, are you saying it wasn't Soleimani's militia that attacked the the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad? if that's what you are saying, then you are either being dishonest or you've not been following the news at all. That they carried out the attack is not in dispute by anyone, not even by the Iranians. And you're already trying to move the goalposts by talking of heavy weaponry, did anybody claim they attacked the embassy with heavy weaponry? At least you admit the attack on Saudi oil fields, another Iranian provocative action just like the attack on ships in the strait of Hormuz and the attacks on the compound housing American citizens. Stop trying to paint Iran as a victim here, they have been looking for trouble and they got exactly what they were looking for.

Why is it so hard for you to show any proof that the so called attack on the US embassy was carried out by Quds Force led by Soleimani.
The CNN report says the attack, which is actually a violent protest was carried out by The Popular Mobilization Forces, which is an umbrella name for some 40 militias that are mostly Shia Muslim groups, but also include Sunni Muslim, Christian, and Yazidi groups - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Mobilization_Forces

My argument is that if it was the well equipped Quds Force led by Soleimani that attacked the US embassy, they would not be using fire bombs and heavy logs to try and breach the walls and doors. They have powerful missiles and sophisticated guns.

As I sad only a tiny section of the embassy was attacked. The embassy is over 100 acres and the embassy staffs were never evacuated from the embassy.

Here is the cnn report of the so called attack -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFLbJJckn4

garetz:
There are videos of his militia leaders leading the assault on the embassy, most of them have either been killed or arrested. this argument is mute, no one, not even the Iranians are disputing the fact that his militia forces attacked the the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

I have been waiting for the videos showing Soleimani's men attacking the US embassy in Baghdad. I hope you will not show the video of a small number of protesters protesting (sometimes violently) in a small corner of the US embassy and writing "we are Soleimani's supporters" on a wall.
The embassy is on 100 acres - the size of Vatican City. The embassy was not attacked with heavy weaponry, like the type of missiles used to attack Saudi oil refinery a few weeks back.

Iraq’s prime minister says Soleimani arrived in Iraq to deliver a response to the Iraqis from Iran about a Saudi offer to de-escalate tensions. They was supposed to meet. - https://mobile.twitter.com/hxhassan/status/1213830321478737921

This means Soleimani was in Iraq at the request of the Saudis to discuss de-escalation of the region and not to plan imminent attacks on US troops and embassy as said by Trump and Pompeo.
It would make Saudi Arabia look complicit in the assassination.

garetz:
There are videos of his militia leaders leading the assault on the embassy, most of them have either been killed or arrested. this argument is mute, no one, not even the Iranians are disputing the fact that his militia forces attacked the the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

I have not seen the videos. Can you please send links?

Ceasardgreat:
Quote: You don't threaten the USA and stay free, you must live with the consequences.

You think they are Nigeria where from the head to toe knows gibberish.

But you can threaten Nigerian presidents and Nigerians and don't have any consequences?

Now what will you say if Buhari gives kanu the Kassoggi treatment?

Aarenasbaba:
Is classroom a church? Don't constitute nuisance jawee

Don't mind fundamentalist Christians (born agains), they would be first to shout blue murder if a Muslim starts preaching loudly in class. They shout the loudest when muslims demand sharia.

Why not organize preaching in your private room or church and the invite people who want to hear your nonsense. A classroom is a place for learning and not for religious activities.

basilico:
The media is just sick. Hating Trump over someone who
- Organized Benghazi
- Mined at least 6 oil tankers
- Brought down an American drone
-Repeatedly fired mortar shells at US based
- Raided US Baghdad embassy
- Killed over 600 hundred Americans in Iraq.

- the Benghazi US embassy attack was carried out by members of the Islamic militant group Ansar al-Sharia , a Sunni groups - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack
Sunnis and shites don't see eye to eye.

Yes oil tankers were attacked by Iran in the gulf of Hormuz, but we're any of them US tankers? Besides how come you are holding only one man responsible for an action carried out by the Iranian government?

- The drone was violating Iranian airspace. Do you want the Iranians to the escorting US surveillance drones spying on their territory?

- You have evidence that General Soleimani ordered the attack on US embassy in Baghdad? Or you ascribe all actions carried out by any member of the Quds Force to Soleimani?

How many Iranian and Iraqi citizens has US troops on the orders of their Generals killed over the decades? Are you insinusting that it's fair game for Iraqis and Iranians to bomb US Generals and citizens wherever they may be in the world, even in allied countries, without informing them?

GeniusWannabe:
Yet those judgemental atheists who don't know jack will keep accusing Christians of intolerance.

We judgemental atheists accuse both christians (mostly pentecostals ) and muslims of intolerance. We further accuse muslims of being violent in addition to intolerant.

Let me add; that muslims used to be very tolerant people. When growing up, at one time my best friend was a Muslim. When growing up we never had any disagreements, his father who was a very prominent alfa in Lagos, took me like a son, even though I was a Christian.
I spent 2 years in sokoto, and had the best time of my life. My Muslim friends never attempted to impose sharia on we non muslims on us. So I am annoyed that muslims in general have become ultra intolerant and violent.

Aegerine:
A company policy overrides national constitution? na wa oh.

It is a matter common sense to know that any policy, rules or regulations that is inconsistent with the provisions of the constitution will be deemed to its extent of inconsistencies null and void. That is the reason why the attorney of the company had to apologize having realized their mistakes in the matter. Stop forming too know.

I hereby put to you that you are either ignorant if you are not aware of the above, or you are real the terrorist if you are aware but just decided to attack someone is totally oblivious of your existence because of the flame of religious intolerance which has totally consumed the you and your Paul believing crew.

When it suits you, you shout constitution. When you impose sharia in a country with secular construction you forget constitution is supreme.

Why are you guys not trooping en mass to Islamic countries with sharia law, but instead you troop to the US and Europe, predominantly Christian countries and claim fundamental religious rights. Can I claim religious rights in Saudi Arabia or even zamfara?

SimplePlan34:
I don't know why such topics are on front page. No country on earth is a match to the USA in an open war even Russia. U are talking about a country with a navy bigger than the next 5 biggest navy nations, the country with d biggest Airforce. A country who spends over a billion dollars every 24hrs on its military since 9/11. Trump would have full veto powers in a time of war dats what he wants Iran is only using demslves as d scape goats.

The biggest navy, airforce and trillions of dollars did not win them the Vietnam war, the Korean war and the Afghan war. All the wars they won was fought with allies against a poorly organized and not determined foe.
Iran can obviously not fight a conventional war with the US, but Iran is master of unconventional or asymmetrical war. This has been shown in the hezbollah wars and the Houthi war. Iran would just be hitting taegets of US and it's allies and run. The US will retaliate back by hitting targets inside Iran. This can go on for decades. The US cannot invade and capture Iran easily. It will come at tremendous costs in terms of casualties and costs. The US can't take high casualties.

Kapeter:
Chad brother wey mumu. Chad or any other country wasn't suppose to enter Nigeria to join in the fight against Boko haram. They were only supposed to protect their own side of the border.

Boko haram cannot be defeated, it's political abinitio and they have sympatisers so instead of wasting your troop for wetin no concern you, use that energy to protect your boders so they won't near you land again.

There are Chadian forces in Nigeria and Nigerians forces in Chad. The Boko Haram fighters operate from Chad. The carry out attacks in Nigeria and run back to Chad through the lake Chad region. Our troops in pursuit was always required to turn back at the Nigerian Chad border.
With the arrangement, the Nigerian troops did not need to turn back at the border and the Chadian troops need not turn back at the border too.

garetz:
Was it not his militia forces that carried out a rocket attack on a compound housing US citizens?
Was it not his militia forces that attacked the the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad? They even wrote "Soleimani is our leader" at the U.S. Embassy. And you're saying the U.S. has to wait for the idiot to claim responsibility before acting?

And you believe that Soleimani would order the attack on US embassy and then order his supporters to write boldly write on the US embassy walls "Qassam Soleimani ordered the attack on US embassy" or "we are supporters of Qassam Soleimani" if you believe that then you will believe Trump would order his supporters to carry a placard reading " I withheld aid to Ukraine to help my 2020 re-election" on the senate floor during the impeachment trial.