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njelrapheal:
Please what do you mean that @bolded and how do one be freed from the body. Are you saying a simple gender reassignment would mean the person would then be free from the body.

In summary, yes.

The expression "trapped in a body", according to the medical dictionary is the feeling that one's gender is different from one's mind, heart and personality. A cute girl with visible jaw lines who is naturally inclined to engage in body building, play football, go on low cut, put on baggy trousers, fight, etc. may be feeling limited by her own body. She can't join the male team where she feels she belongs, she can't pull her shirt in public as she'd want to cause she has breasts to cover. She can't openly have a girlfriend in some places cause she's a girl. Such a person feels trapped in her own body. The fact that she has to be a man to live a fulfilled life implies she might never really be happy in life. The thought of this alone could lead to acute depression. This is where the option of transgendering comes in (for those who feel the need to).

In Nigeria, you have some extremely effeminate boys hated and bullied by thier mates. Even the adults aren't spared. They pretend not to care but many of them are very depressed. They cry at night and wish they weren't born. Some get suicidal. Yet, they can't change cause they don't even know what to change; they can't walk like your stereotypical men, speak like them or like football like they do. They are stuck in a life of perpetual sadness. But they can't transgender cause the same people that hate them also hate transgenders. It's like saying, "we won't let you be, we won't let you go". It's almost as if suicide is a better option.

Finally, I'd like to add that transgendering does not necessarily promote gay rights. If you feel attracted to fellow men and then you turn into a lady, you'll only end up reducing the gay visibility. This is not always the case but I just felt I should correct the impression. Thanks.

Cc: blueAgent

blueAgent:
Do you know that a couple of years ago Homosexuality was called a mental illness by American psychologists association even till today?
Years past people with such doubts would have recieved treatments and counselling till they overcome such challenges, which would have been better considering the fact that over 80% of them who undergo surgery to transgender often regret it later in life.

The movement to promote gay rights is one beyond the fight for human rights, the ones behind such agenda(The Elites NWO) have different motives than the advocates and liberals who are just naive foot soldiers.

Let's do this with an open mind, bro. Homosexuality was called mental illness and the earth was said to be flat. Yes, I believe you already know where I'm headed. You see bro, illness is defined as deviation from the normal state of health. Depending on what you call "normal state of health", virtually anything can be called an illness. If you believe that having melanin is the normal state of health, then being an albino is an illness. If you believe that being right handed is the normal state of health, then being left handed is an illness.

Another keyword in that definition is "deviation". What science calls an illness depends hugely on how the scientist differentiates the word "deviation" from the word "variation". Today, we believe humans have racial variations but if we had 6 billion known white people on earth with a few hundred known blacks, being black would have been a deviation and not a variation as we know it today. Again, if you had just 1 billion highly advanced and wealthy white people and even 100 billion blacks, race would still be a matter of variation. I'm just trying to point out that the words used to describe differences in nature aren't necessarily empirically decided. It's a function of visibility and numerical/social factors. These viewpoints do no really change the fact that some people are gay and need to live freely like all of us.

I believe we have every reason to acknowledge homosexuality as a form of human variation. Gay people aren't invalid neither permanently nor periodically. They aren't naturally distressed. They are many of them out there who are achievers in their fields. They are not harmful to society (extremely important). They are perfectly OK. It'll very unfair to call them sick people based on the opinion of some straight people. Calling them sick cause they are different is what led to the inhumane act of electroconvulsive therapy (electrically induced brain seizure) in Germany, corrective rape in South Africa, and other gruesome "treatments" they suffered in the past. It's a different story in Nigeria. I mean, who even criminalises sickness? Lol...

As for transgendering/hormonal therapies, I don't know where you pulled your "regret statistics" from. I'd say more on that if you give me a link. Please, I'm not doubting you. It's just that your statistics sharply contradicts the available data from the numerous surveys conducted in the past few years. There are two different transgendering procedures available today: surgical (GRS) and non surgical (hormone therapy), both of which are generally safe. We can have our opinions but it's not our duty to discriminate trans people who are making the most of the one lifetime they've got in a way that suits them. I don't know about NWO and I'm not pro gay cause someone asked me to be. I'm pro tolerance cause I know what discrimination looks like (homophobia, sexism, racisme, tribalism, xenophobia, classism, etc.). We don't need NWO to know that it's unfair to call the thousands of gay teens in Nigeria criminals. Thanks.

advanceDNA:
We are going to base these kids decision to change gender on a couple of psyc evaluations?
What’s in all these psych evaluation? Becos i know for a fact they are not an evaluation that go on for years to establish certainty... so they seem like quick conclusions to me...and that’s why I see it as a desperate move I tagged it earlier...

Wounded lab... you seem to know a lot and find some justification for gender change for kids who feel they feel differently inside from their anatomy??

What exactly is being male?
What exactly is being female?
What does it mean to feel like female inside?
What does it mean to feel like male??

I don't really know how to respond to this. Which part of my comment suggested I agree with the judgment?

Ok, let's try this again. You called my attention to this thread because you believe that as a pro LGBTQ nairalander, I'd automatically try to defend the court's ruling on the matter. My response to you aimed to decry that impression by letting you know that I (and many other Canadians) don't just defend something based on the need to protect a herd (gender, region, sexual orientation, etc). People are very individualistic and opinionated here. Of course, there's a division in British Columbia regarding this case but that division is not necessarily along the lines of sexual orientation as you would assume. That is to say people in the gay community (including supporters) don't necessarily have the same opinion regarding the case. Some agree with the ruling while some don't. Likewise, the anti-gay conservatives have different views. That's because this isn't about gay rights but about the rights that should or should not be given to minors. Again, I also assertively disagreed with the idea that the country has a grand scheme to increase the gay populace as you had posited.

I only shared the story to give you a clearer understanding of why the man was arrested (as opposed to the narrative that he was arrested just because he referred to the kid as his "daughter" ), and also to give you an idea regarding why a conservative person would even support the man's arrest. I never really shared any personal opinion. I needed you to first understand that my opinion is just that, my opinion. It does not represent the opinion of the pro LGBTQ people cause, like I said, this isn’t a gay-people-vs-straight-people case. A gay person may not necessarily agree with whatever I have to say and his opinion would still be valid.

Personally, I believe any adult has the right to do any form of body enhancement including gender transitioning. We don't choose our birth gender but it wouldn't make sense living one's life feeling trapped in a body when one can actually be freed from it. It's actually funny that Nigerians who don't support willful transgendering also do not accommodate/tolerate congenitally effeminate guys. What do you want these guys to do? Kill themselves? But then again, I believe a kid should only undergo such therapy if it's a medical need. In other words, even parental consent shouldn't be enough to let a minor transition into another gender. Otherwise, I fear we might have cases of promiscuous parents convincing thier kids to transition into their preferred gender (of course, this is far fetched given the prerequisites but not impossible). In summary, I disagree with the Supreme Court's ruling. However, I think the man is unarguably guilty of the charges brought against him. You don't flout court's orders and walk away with it. That would destroy the potency of our legal system.

Cases like this create awareness and could lead to amendments. Let's see how this one goes. Thanks.

advanceDNA:
Hypocrites.....

These white people say minors can’t give consent to sex....but think it’s okay for them to decide on something serious like gender change that isn’t reversible and is likely regretible...as young as age 7....children are taking hormone blockers... and their parents don’t have a say...

These politically correct nonsense is just a desperation to validate and increase the LGBT populace .....it’s irritating, it’s reckless, and it’s starting to become annoying ...


...woundedlamb...u are an LGBT apologist...what do u have to say..

I do not know you (not disrespect intended, I just don't remember usernames) but if you knew me well enough to have called my attention to this thread, then you probably also know I'm not just a freedom advocate (or "LGBT apologist" if you prefer that) but also a Canadian. Here, it's not always a You vs Us. Most times, people are divided based on personal opinions and not necessarily based on stuff like origine, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. In other words, this is a controversial issue even within the LGBTQ community here in Canada. Contrary to your take, transgendering does not necessarily "help" the gay sub-community (sometimes, it does the opposite) and there's nothing like an attempt to increase the LGBTQ populace. The LGBTQ community does not need population and Canada will gain nothing by trying to increase the number of gay people in a country begging for population. You need to begin to understand that the LGBTQ struggle is that of survival and nothing more. The gay kid in the streets of Lagos does not care about any agenda or conspiracy theory, he just wants to live!

Now about the case: a 14 year old kid can't just walk into a hospital and ask doctors to carry out such an extensive therapy on her and they'd do it. She neither has the financial resources nor the power. The law says a child of that age must get the consent of her parent or parents as the case may be (depending on whether they are still together). And even at that, a historical record and psychological analysis must be carried out to ascertain if truly the kid has masculine dispositions. In this particular case, the records show the kid has always been more masculine than feminine and the mother consented to it. The father opposed and took the case to the court. However, since the parents are already separated and the mother has custody of the child, the Supreme Court ruled that her consent was enough. The man was asked to adopt the kid's preferred pronoun (which he never did). Again, well within his rights, he took the case to the court of appeal. While this was going on, he was ordered not to divulge the identity of the daughter, wife and medicale personnel involved in public to avoid exposing them to the associated trauma of such publicity. For privacy reasons, the court also emphasized that he must not allow relevant documents (petitions, affidavits, letters, court orders, etc.) to come into the hands of third parties not “authorized by order of this court,” or with “written consent” from his daughter. But he dared the law, went online and let it all out. He was charged and he went ahead to do it again. He wasn't just arrested cause of the pronoun.

I did not tell you this to sway your opinion (I'm not in full support of the judgment myself). I just wanted to show you where the actual divide is. It is not a straight people vs gay people thing. Some argue that letting him go after daring the Supreme Court of Canada would set a terrible precedence. According to them, the man would have continued the fight within legal means. He could have gone ahead to appeal the court order. On the other hand, others argue that both parents should consent before such a therapy is carried out on a minor regardless of whether they're separated or not. They also believe the court order was unfair. Then we have the last group who believe a kid of that age should never undergo such a therapy regardless of the parents' consent. These three groups can be found even within the gay community.

She is still beautiful. She's just pregnant. Women change when pregnant, something we men must learn to respect and appreciate.

lilvicky68:
No be this one Mr eazi dey chop anyhow?

So it's now a crime to have a boyfriend? Just stop sexualizing women, it doesn't speak well of your background.

Oh... this is extremely sad.

Attack me all you want, I'll always maintain that Africa needs to start re-orienting the boy child. The masculine ego over there is so fragile/sensitive and the excessive desire for superiority is alarming. All these come as a result of the orientation kids receive early in life. I'm almost sure these boys didn't set out to kill her but just wanted to exert thier authority as "men". It's possible the girl turned down their advances or disrespected them or did something they considered an insult to their masculinity as the superior gender, and they decided to "show her". Parents see these dangerous tendencies but overlook them cause boys will always be boys. Shame.

CITEH:
Half bake stories? Wow. I have shared pictures, screenshots of chats, bank documents, what other evidence do you need sir?

Please kindly read my thread from the beginning. I was elaborate enough. The only way it could seem a bit confusing to you is if you do not understand crypto, thus; you can not understand how the said scam was perpetuated.

I left no stone unturned.

The Lovethaa guy hasn't responded yet to clear his name. He hasn't even defended himself, yet you say I'm the one shady?

Smiles. Not surprised anyway.

Guy, are you even reading what I am writing? It appears you're more interested in replying than in understanding my post. You left no stone unturned here on NL and like I said, that's why you're getting this positive reaction (I said this in my last paragraph). And I'm saying the moment you start removing some parts like you're asking is the moment it'll turn shady and won't be taken seriously anymore. Imagine telling this same story without mentioning crypto. It will be incomplete and people won't invest their time in half baked stories. That's why it will be better to trend the full gist online (including the crypto part) while protecting your own identity. That's my point. I don't know how else to say it. I wish you'd get your hard earned money back and be more careful next time. Good luck.

Lol... Nigeria is so different.

CITEH:
The person I quoted, said he was going to report to the Efcc. And I said go ahead, but do not include that it is a crypto transaction. Just say it's business.

Obviously, you failed to understand why I said so. But some persons who have once had crypto related scam experiences, and reported to the police, they will understand why i asked that crypto shouldn't be mentioned.

Even during the acquisition of court orders, your lawyer will advise that you do not state that it is a cryptocurrency transaction. There is a why.

My purpose is to create awareness, catch the scammer and get back my money. And I know the police won't mobilize to investigate or arrest the scammer once you tell them it's crypto. This is from experience.

So why would I encourage that guy to go ahead and state its crypto? Smh

You're the one mixing it up. Your post that you quoted while asking people to avoid the crypto subject wasn't about sharing the story with the EFCC or the police. The post was about trending this online to create awareness just the way you did here. And I'm saying there's nothing wrong with telling the full story since your own identity is not public. Otherwise, what awareness are you creating exactly? That someone is a scammer without a tangible story to back it up? Shouldn't the awareness also aim to let people know how to avoid such crime while trading? Besides, you said you've already reported to the police, do you mind sharing exactly how to told the story? Maybe that will help understand how to share your story without mentioning crypto.

Sir, the moment you start sharing half baked stories is the moment you become shady yourself. You're only getting this reaction on NL cause you shared a comprehensive story. The best you can do is to share the full story while protecting your identity. That way, the awareness will not only be to identify someone as a scammer but also to let people know how to avoid such scams.

CITEH:
Even before the CBN reminded everyone of their stance on crypto months ago, the law enforcement in Nigeria do not investigate crypto related scams.

Telling the police it's crypto might even get the complainant in trouble in today's Nigeria.

Nobody mentioned the police. Someone said he was going to share the story online and you are telling him to remove the crypto part (which is the crux of the story) simply cause it will create more doubts about digital currencies. In other words, you would probably dissuade him from doing that on NL too in order to protect the image of the currency. It doesn't seem like you really care about the money, you're more interested in protecting the image of the currency. And that's ridiculous.

gistray:
Mr foool
Don't u know CBN views on Crypto trades?
You're dullard of the decade

Sorry, I don't engage people like you in any form of conversation. Enjoy your day.

CITEH:
Kindly leave out the details of transaction (crypto) while reposting on Twitter please. Due to the sentiments and stereotype it attracts at the moment as a consequence of CBN and FG's stance.

Leave out the transaction and then say what?

I don't agree with this, OP. Tell your story exactly the way it is. People need to know the good and the bad, and decide for themselves.

One of the dogs in the last picture looks like brother Shaggy. Lol.

Please, how much does DSTV charge per month?

Oh... wow. Just seeing this! That wasn't cool.

advanceDNA:
This shouldn’t surprise u....u are in a country and on forum with a lot of straight people...even if the goverment legalized gay marriages, many people won’t change their views.....

Besides... every one knows rape is bad...it’s just that it’s now common like kidnapping.... so the gay thing will always be a big news than the rape news

I see. Well, I guess I'm surprised cause I'm not in Nigeria and have never really lived in the country long enough to understand the dynamics. Nevertheless, I believe what you explained might be the reality but definitely not ideal.

Thanks for taking your time to explain.

Lol... AnyDesk, Microsoft Teams and Skype4Business will soon join the game.

advanceDNA:
As u know..this isn’t canada or United States... until the laws change in Nigeria ...ramming d!ck into a fellow man’s yansh is as serious as rape...

Yes, forcefully sleeping with anyone is rape. But equating consensual sex between two people of the same gender with the inhumane act of rape would be watering down the gravity of rap and that would be unfair to rape victims; even the law does not keep the two on the same pedestal. So permit me to disagree with you on that, gay sex is not as serious as rape even in countries where it's prohibited. Rape is simply sadistic.

But that wasn't my point in the initial post. There's nothing consensual in this case so there's no defense whatsoever for the sex offender. The actual act of rape in the write-up above was perpetuated by a straight person. I just find it astonishing that the writer laid more emphasis on the case of the gay guy who attempted to sleep with a fellow guy, and then added the actual rape case as a closing note. This - coupled with the fact that people here are more interested in the gay guy's case - is more sentimental than logical and actually speaks volumes about how things are viewed over there.

There are two cases reported; one involves a gay guy who assaulted someone and the other involves a straight guy who actually raped someone. But Nigerians will overlook the more serious case to attack the gay community as if sex offenders are only found there.

DrFunmisticGlow:
speak for yourself.

If you are a woman instead of an XY hiding behind a female monicker

That's a man. Lol. Wonder why anyone would invest so much energy in sexism.

Lol... If Christopher Columbus discovered America (with the people living there), then this shouldn't be shocking.

Back then, the word "discover" was used by European explorers who were travelling far and wide looking for new resources (rivers, lands, people, etc.). The western world didn't know about the existence of the river till Mungo found it and made it known to them thus the reason they say he discovered it. Technically speaking, it's not wrong for them to teach that to their kids cause from thier perspective, Mungo actually discovered (found) a river they didn't know existed. However, Africa should have sieved out that part while taking in western education. Or better still, they could have phrased it as "Mungo park was the first European to know about the river Niger".

The first sentence is what bloggers use to pit people against each other: "people have been arguing...", "many have been wondering", etc. Meanwhile, they just want to start something for thier own amusement. These sisters are good in what they do. They've got fans both both individually and in common, no need to make them take sides.

Lovely!

Nice one from Nollywood! Is it on Netflix?

I need to know more about the director!

RIP to him.

Nice

Lol... Nigerians always going online to embarrass themselves.