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damzbaba: Most contributions are voluntary. Regardless of how many times, donations are called for in Churches, people can not give what they do not have. While I agree with the fact that these schools are very expensive, how much really is the value of a quality education? We cannot begin to compare the fees of Government schools with Religious private universities because of the difference in funding and budgetary allocations. The fees are heavily subisdized by the government. For these private universities to be equally affordable (subsidized) the congregation will need to donate more. You cannot even begin to compare facilities, accomodation and privileges some of these private universities provide with that of some state owned schools. Even Religious universities abroad are expensive. The best that happens for congregation members is a percentage fee waiver. If we agree that both rich and poor contribute towards the building of these schools, are we agreeing that the poor contribute more in terms of donation? If the universities built by the funds of both poor and rich were opened to all their kids, which funds would be used to run those universities? Wouldn't the poor have to contribute more and pay fees at the same time? What would the criteria for entry/admission be? The best the universities can do is to make a number of merit based scholarships available to all members' families regardless of economic standing as a means of creating fair opportunity, while accepting students who can pay fees to help them continue a sustainable model. Running a university is no small feat. Religion aside, in business and shareholding, not all shareholders have the same privileges. Some seat on the board, some pull strings and have their kids/family members employed by the companies, and others just wait to receive their dividends. Religions Universities are not charity institutions.

You need to upgrade your scope as far as what quality education is. So in your own understanding, you think an education you earn from those universities is quality? I have been to Bowen before and I can not pass that university for a Secondary School as far as global standard is concerned. So where is the justification for charging that much? If it is true that they charge 650 per semester, that is 1.3m per session just about 600k more than how much I paid then per session in my university in the Netherlands without any subsidy. (this a university that is constantly in the top 100 world ranking. Google Wageningen University)

So the point is this, if u can afford to pay that much for Bowen or any of these "rip off universities" why not use same for quality education in the real sense and at global standard somewhere in Europe or North America?

This my advice,
Cheers.

Lets get something clear, I have looked through Islam and the concomitant problems, and i have realized that how the religion became synonymous to violence is not inexplicable. But most people dont get it. One of the problem is that every non muslims have the misconception that violent Muslims in the Arabia have the highest understanding of Islam and therefore see their actions and in-actions as a yardstick to measure and judge Islam. This is wrong! Absolutely.

The problem is actually poverty, effects of war, illiteracy and dogmatism. If you look at parts of the Arabia that is poverty free, with higher education per capita, economically viable and war free, such as the entire UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and so on the situation is completely to the reverse. If you go further east, Indonesia is a single nation with the highest population of muslims in the world. Those people are not violent.

But look at Pakistan and Afghanistan specifically, these two are ranked as one of the countries with highest level of illiteracy and poverty in the world, Then they "headquarter" the Talibans and the Al qaeda's etc. Just like northern Nigeria is ranked a region with the highest level of poverty and illiteracy in Nigeria and then they have the Almajiris, Boko Harams etc. These factors are more of the problem and and not the religion. Their constant claim that their faith in Allah is the motivation and the justification for their barbaric acts is simply their blatant inability to separate their violent culture from religion due to their low level of intelligence as a result of long term starvation and deprivations from just everything that could nourish their brains. They just have to justify the action somehow.

I feel for the non violent muslims and I understand that this time is actually a hard time and a difficult situation to deal with.

Cheers.

ojjp: Believe it or not, it is demonic. prayers and deliverance ll only help u. It happens more in some environment than the other.

But please tell me how. Honestly, I will like to read if u have some points. How did u arrive at that conclusion? Has sleeping paralysis actually caused any harm to anybody? All the guys that claimed to have shouted JESUS, do they still experience it after then? The guy that claimed to have read a verse in the Quran, was that the last time he experienced it? Let's be a li'l bit scientific here. If those guys say "I have never experienced it after shouting Jesus or reading quranic verse".. then ur claim might be correct. But that may still not be sufficient for such conclusion because we need to look further into frequency of occurrence.

If u shouted JESUS 2 months ago, and ur frequency of sleeping paralysis is let's say 2ce a year, that means we have to wait until at leastna year or 2 to draw our conclusion that no more experiencing sleeping paralysis is as a result of the efficacy of shouting Jesus or reading a Quranic verse. Therefore we can at that point assume that the person is delivered. Do u have a similar prove... en hey! not a cock&bull story eh!

Hahahaha... it is funny to find out that this happens to alot of ppl. I thought it was only me. The only difference is that it never bothered me. I never attributed to evil spirit or demon or anything mystical, normally I'd just wake up breathing a lil bit faster and I'd be like "damn!!! this funny stuff again" I can imagine if u believe in demons, the effect on you will be aggravated by imagining that a demon is locking u down. My own approach is... I know when I am awake and paralysed I just kind of relax and do the 123 count... and whooop! wake up. Although u 'd wake up throwing ur fist in the air, scaring girlfriend or wife next to u on bed but well at least u are awake and well... she'd understand what.

palugy colina: it should be noted that the woman who gave birth to the baby is the biological mother of the baby..
She aint a grandmother but a mother..she carried the baby for nine months..
Abeg make we use our head here..

OMG! so ur own head tells u that carrying the baby in her womb for nine months is the factor that makes her the biological mum? Incredible!!! So would u tell me that a fertilized egg laid by one hen but incubated and hatched by another hen makes the incubator hen the biological mother of the hatched chicks and not the hen that actually laid the eggs? U better beg ur head to comprehend simple biological logic

To those who are asking questions like, who is the child gonna resemble or does it mean the husband indirectly impregnated his mother in-law? But such questions shouldn't arise at all because what was implanted into the grandma's uterus was the fertilized egg of her daughter. What she had was gestational surrogacy. In this case, her son in-law's sperm fertilized her own daughter's egg and she only offered to carry the growing fetus in her womb. She contributed nothing to the genetic make up of that child.

Oh well, that's her grand child tho, so he or she can look like her but that would be as a result of of lineage and not surrogacy in this context.

odehaj: The Bible is ONE but written in several versions using simple words and translated in several languages even down to your dialect, so that knowledge will spread. God loves knowledge&He is NOT an author of confusion. Great inventors sit with d Bible. Isaac Newton said,"I read d Bible daily".The write brothers,Henry Hays etc were xtians and Bible lovers that's where wisdom is tapped.
But you people(muslems),anti-knowledge,anti-invention[b](that's why no Muslim has ever invented anything anywhere before&will never)[/b],you want to remain in darkness that's why there is so much of confusion today regarding your book. Apart from The Bible, all other books are reviewed from time to time to meet up with civilisation&new challenges, that's why the quran seems to be begging for revision.

I never intended leaving any comment here until I saw this GUY!!! Let me ask you, why did u write that in bold? by the time you find out that u are very brutally wrong, u will be so ashamed of your own ignorance unless u are just shameless. U need to seek knowledge beyond a narrow scope. Have u asked yourself who invented the fotocamera? even the world camera, where does it come from? Coffee is a powerful commodity in global agribusiness, who invented coffee actually? who invented the parachute, who developed the game of chess and so on... countless... u can find out by urself if u are willing to learn.

Well it is not my duty teach an ignorant adult, I would have loved to do that if u were a minor are U?

uboma:
can u pls expantiate more on what u mean by 'quality time'?

I am not trying to feel like a "to know" here but I would like you to bear the following in mind.

1) Expantiate as you wrote should be correctly spelled as expatiate
2) Once u have used expatiate, "more" can no more be relevant within the context

I know u are very likely to feel offended, forgive me pls and if you are still mad at me, well, still I am sorry.

braveheart2012: I know Mrs. Sumonu and her family well. She has lived in London since the seventies. She owns property in the UK and was quite well-to-do before she was elected into office. Mrs Sumonu doesn't need government money to shop in London or in Saudi Arabia! Ditto for Ajimobi! I have known the Ajimobi's since I was a kid! That man made a ton of money and was rich before becoming governor! I knew them when they were just a middle class family; they are honest and very good people. Their Dad worked extremely hard to get to where he is today (I witnessed his hustle myself). People need to stop commenting on things they know nothing about!

Look meehn, this kind of statement is pointless. The fact that u are a rich man or woman does not make u a righteous or perfect person in any ramification. It only gives u an advantage over others. U are trying to absolve Ajimobi and Sumonu of this ill because u know them I have also known Ajimobi since 1993 there in Oluyole Estate... he is arrogant! if u claim to know him very well and u are not aware that he is, I smell sycophancy. I look at every one that I know along Alaafin avenue back then in Oluyole, who didn't work hard for their money? even on his street... Do u mean he was way richer than the Oyo treasury

Look, what u need to understand is that Sumonu's action is ACN's game plan (reminds me of another guy in here trying to tell us Ajimobi doesn't know about it). The whole thing is not solely about money but a part of their strategy to constantly keep the lawmakers locked down to the Governor's interest like buying them cars, houses, taking their wives to London etc but unfortunately, whose fund would they use to execute such strategies? public fund of course. Don't u understand?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI]Dbanj needs to eat and gain muscle weight.

I'm tired of seeing him dance on stage like bags of bones.

Don Jazzy has the body, but he's urgly. DonJ does not particularly have a good body, but it' kind of body you want weighing you down in bed. Dbanja has neither a cute face or sexy body.[/quote]U can imagine what this Ileke wrote!!! very local mentality. B4 u misunderstand me, let me tell u this. I am not a fan of both of them but becos I am a Nigerian, I am informed about them. If u said Don Jazzy has the body, but he is ugly but does not particularly have a good body so what are u saying...and with Dbanj, so what is ur own definition of sexy body

If ur own Ideal sexy body is the typical so called "naija big boy" with pot belly, chubby cheeks and puffy head, it's ok, that's ur own taste I don't have problem with that but do not run down guys that are actually looking good and can pass for "sexy" in the ideal sense anywhere in the world. And to let u know more, as a matter of sexy, Dbanj would score more points than Donjazzy cos don jazzy is slightly overweight, the more overweight, the less fit and the more optimum weight, the more fit and the sexier u become. Ur problem is that u don't know the difference between sexy and beautiful or handsome. I don't have time to continue to lecture u about all that, it is left to u to upgrade or remain at the down grade.

The question is if Oyedepo was never a pastor, where would all his billions come from? How do the member of his church who are the actual donors benefit from these money spinning ventures? Different universities with different brand names to target different customer groups - Simple business strategy.
If some potential customers would not patronize Covenant because it's strict and the system is not very open, and since we are not ready to change our brand and packaging, let's establish another university with a totally different packaging and branding, we can use that to target this potential groups. I repeat, simple business strategy.
Now, if some ppl says we should hail him because he is helping Nigeria economically by providing jobs and all that, what we are saying is that he Oyedepo can do exactly the same thing by throwing the system open and let all the stake holders benefit one way or the other from the proceeds of these universities. As long as all the profits is going to Oyedepo alone so that he can by more jets and build castles on the sea, there is something very wrong.

Now, to all saying he is better than the politicians, may be u all have to have a rethink. Politicians usually don't wanna start any business with looted funds because of the fear of being arrested. Where would u say u ve got a 7 billion naira from to build a university as a politician? Remember even Tinubu a whole ex governor of Lagos is denying ownership of several companies linked to him. But which EFCC would arrest a pastor for spending a money willingly given to him by a group of ppl who love him so much that they are ready to die for him? That's the difference.

I am impressed about how ppl have contributed to this thread very reasonably. Fhemmy has given very relevant info so far and he has not over blown anything. Just wanna add. Prospective students do not need to complicate accommodation issues for themselves. To the best of my knowledge, most of these universities provide on-campus accomodation with with reserved space for 1st year students. I would advise u to take that 1st.

In case you are one who usually prefer off campus in order to feel the city life, u have the option of terminating or to put in a better term, "discontinuing" ur on-campus tenancy at the end of the 1st semester, when you would have learned about the environment, the system and where the houses are. You would also have made friends with whom you can share rents. If u make too much extreme calculations about ur accomodation b4 u get there, u are very likely to miscalculate and get in a mess. Please, go the easy way, keep things simple and smart, that is how u never can get things wrong. I have contributed on this same thread when it 1st started then and I still maintain that the homestay thing is not a suitable option for a mature student. I bet it with u, u likely wouldn't like it. For those going for undergrad studies, u may give it a try but for grad studies keep off pls, free urselves and do ur thing.

Good luck.

Can someone pls advise M.I to curb himself frm sounding more and more like Lil Wayne these days?

Jade William: Men also like girls that are soft (shed tears easily);have good sense of humour;smiles&knws how lighten up all the time.
[b]My man loves it wen I smile at d sight of him.[/b]My brothers said they like chicks that are highly aware of what's happening around d world& girls that can hold an intellectual conversations (not too quiet&dull);someone they can call up&sort 4an opinion or advice

I hate the 1st in bold, it can make me hate everything in a woman. I mean... how da heck would u be crying at stuffs that I consider too flimsy. I like to take my wife seriously when she cries but I wouldn't if she is the one who cries at everything... and then, she would start crying again that I am not caring cos I don't care when she is crying. So how is that romantic?

Meanwhile, I love the 2nd in bold, c'mon, I really can't get mad at a woman that smiles at me all the time... that will get me too smiling and saying "that's my mistress"

analryder: the whole of you including yourself in such survey and getting proud about it are all fools...soon it will be dawned on you to realise that where ever you are as long as its not your home, you will always take what they give to you...and for you to be complaining about been credited like the asians, then u are a bigger fool...cos even a blind deaf and dumb man knows how the asians have been impacting developments in their countries and communities. who will give you respect when all u do is to study there and at the end refuse to go back home..or even if u are staying there make the best of it...but instead u prefer staying to fight for menial jobs and be wanting them to respect you just like that...and when u go back to nigeria, u wont try to calm down but be bragging all out as if you own the poor country u left nothing good for not even a reputation. Stop all these rubbish about being credited over there and make the best of urself and for people around you...first u should see how the asians have been setting up companies and be employing themselves out there. For u,...u'll want to have all to yourself, big names, titles etc and at the end level zero

While I do not want to call u a HATER because u might actually mean what u wrote in honest sense but try not look like one. The point is, u are getting things wrong. I know loads of Asians who are not willing to go back home, I even laugh when some ppl are making reference to Indians. From my experience and observations so far, Indians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Indonesians etc are the major migrants, not we Nigerians and even the whole of Africa at least if compared to them.

U would be wrong again to think that the reason China and India are growing is because the group abroad are going back to develop the countries... Nah! misconception!!! they have their homegrown technology and in most cases, they even try to limit interaction with the West as much as possible while they are developing their technologies.

In basic principle of economics, ppl migrate to where the jobs are, the only Asians going back home are those who are very sure of a job at home. I don't understand most of u trying to blame Nigerians abroad for Nigeria's woes, what magic would one perform in a political environment where the politicians are as corrupt and as deadly as an archetypal drug cabal? Let's say not necessarily politics but one can also do business, so which business? U would run which business in an environment that is not conducive for running business? U need to understand what u are talking about and imagine if u were the one, would you go gamble with ur money where there is no security of anything? remember that money earned abroad is hard earned not through corruption or just sitting down in an office doing almost nothing and collecting very fat salary and benefits.

So let Nebeuwe rejoice if that is what makes him/her happy. We can only advise such ppl to look for possible windows of business or whatever opportunity in Nigeria because one can never tell but u shouldn't think it shoud be a must for them to go back home. No, not at all.

afroxyz:
Plese do any grad schools admit in feb? And also how long does the validity of GRE last?

But why Feb? admission is traditionally in September (Fall) or in few cases, January (Winter). February is just very awkward. But if u are looking into doing Phd, it might be possible to be admitted anytime (not sure about that) Be aware that most deadline for application to Canada is closing up by this time of the year, so if u are dreaming about applying to study in Canada this year, U are running out of time!!!

Paschal137:
So wats de best option for new grad students coming to canada 4 de first tym?

Well, depending on the setting of the campus. It is mostly cheaper to jointly rent a flat with other students and share the rent but that is understandably difficult for new students who has no connection yet to find room mates. So the reasonable option is to rely on campus residence for the 1st year and move off-campus in the subsequent academic years. In most universities, there is usually guaranteed bed space for 1st year students so be careful that you apply for rez accommodation earlier because some schools gives condition that there is no guaranteed accommodation for applications after the deadline even if u are 1st year student.

So check closely with ur school in case u r in the process of applying

Good luck!

Forget it,
the home stay thing is not advisable. This program is designed for very young people who are starting their first year as undergraduates (in canada, 18/17 yrs on average). How would mature individuals who are probably going for graduate studies be thinking of HOMESTAY? Abeg ppl!!!

And even if u think u wanna save money by adopting it as a strategy, for ur information, it is one of the most expensive of all options u can have as a student. Remember, as old as u are, u have to agree with them to keep to the rules in their house which is mostly
- do not stay out late
- You can not have more than x number of ppl visiting u at a time
- No house party
- No visitor of yours can sleep over the night in the house (including ur girl/boyfriend)

So ppl, think about it, as far as I am concerned, it is not worth it.

MRbrownJAY:
if you speak French, then check the following documentary, rather than put your head in the sand believing it doesnt happen.
the documentary is called THE STRANGE LIFE OF AFRICANS IN PARIS
here is the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEqKOPMrQG4&feature=related
and EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!

so because other desperate human beings are willing to lower themselves, it makes Timothy's story any better?!
keep using your inferiority complex to justify this degrading lifestyle.

btw: whats wrong with street cleaning? whats wrong with construction jobs? you dont make sense bro! it's all about getting paid PROPERLY for the jobs that you do (like people with proper immigration status do). Timothy, and people like him, are modern day SLAVES, thats the right term for someone who is getting paid "pittance" to do such jobs. . . . . . . .  and then these illegal immigrants (like Timothy) have the AUDACITY to turn around and play the victim?!

if the locals dont want to do these underpaid BS jobs, then that should be the alarm bell for anyone to stay away. . . . . . but because of their DESPERATION, they will do anything to survive, even if it is degrading, against the law or plain wrong!

i dont care WHAT they do, so long as it is LEGAL and that they are paid what they normally should (thats why there is a minimum wage).

Hmmm!

Well, good argument but the quoted minimum wage in that article is correct though but you would only get that if u have semi long term or long term contract. Most short term contracts are through job agencies and believe me, even if you are legal, you would only get about 1000 or 1200 or less for unskilled labour depending on the number of hours the agency is offering, that is the reality. The problem is the paper, once he can solve that, all his problem is solved. Everyone has different stories, some ppl might not have any family support back home, may be that is the reason why he ran away in the 1st place, so where does he wanna start from?

Let's not be harsh on issues like this, at least he is not doing crime so for me, I won't talk down on a guy like that, I would just wish that he can solve his problem

sweet9ja:
You this kind of thinking is what is breeding corruption in naija.
Yes, Nigerians are doing all sorts of things to survive out there, but to say 50% of all African LovePeddlers in France are Nigerians is really ridiculous.
Do you know that Brits were doing street cleaning in Amsterdam and menial jobs on construction sites in germany? Are you aware that Poles and a lots of East European are taking up jobs that even African refuse to do in the West?
Sit there and keep deluding yourself that you're better than the Timothys out there.

You are very right.
Are the Dutch themselves not doing street cleaning?
The reason why life is hard for ppl like Timothy is that Eastern Europeans have flooded western Europe taking up all jobs and are very ready to work for very very meager pay that any Nigerian/African hustler would never take so they create a good market for the so called UITZENDBUREAUS (job agencies) because they make better margin on each of them, hence they prefer to give them job and interestingly, they are very hardworking. What MrbrownJay is probably not aware of is that there are millions of Europeans most especially from the east whose lives are about at the same level with Timothy. They are only better because they don't have any insecurities from lack of paper and that is if they are not in the U.K
It is not Timothy's absolute fault that he is in that situation now, he only needs to be smart with the decisions he would take next otherwise he might remain like that for a long time.

What I do not understand about Timothy's aspiration is his dream of getting a good education in The Netherlands. If he had lived in The Netherlands for that long, he should have been very acquainted to the Dutch system so much that he should know such dreams is almost a "no way"

U never can get admission to any Dutch University as an illegal immigrant. U have to be legally resident in wherever country u are claiming residence, from which u would now apply for MVV as an international student which will give u entry clearance to enter the Netherlands with a study permit. So if he wants to study, his status must change from illegal to legal and in any case, he would have to step out of the Netherlands first and come back in again as a legal immigrant.

The problem is that Dutch tertiary education is not cheap, non is cheaper than 8,000 euros at both undergraduate and graduate level and recently, the Dutch Government has just removed subsidy on Graduate tuition for even Dutch students which implies that Dutch student will from the next academic year pay the same rate international students pay for their education at masters level. So how can Timothy pay this tuition with his condition?

I would advise Timothy if he is reading this to look at possibility of going to neighbouring Belgium. Though life doesnt promise so much in Belgium too but at least cost of living his cheaper and there are more illegal jobs possible compared with the Netherlands, with that, he can have little savings and plan life somehow. The dream of studying in Belgium is more realistic than in the Netherlands as tuition in most Universities are still subsidised even for international students till this moments. He should bear it in mind that however it is, he would have to go Nigeria 1st and come back in. U really can't change status automatically without stepping out and stepping back in.

I hope my info helps Timothy and some other ppl who might find it useful

Goodluck

Kobojunkie:
I cannot for the life of me understand how Nigerians would pretend that ALL Nigerians not living in Nigeria are living as slaves.  Aren't you folks projecting?

I personally have never met a Nigerian living as a slave here; many of those around me, and I am talking hundreds, choose the lives they have today.

Emigration has been practiced long before Nigeria came into existence; Banks and loans have been in existence for about as long. Why is it now evil for Nigerians to make the choice to emigrate, and choose to take out loans of their own choice? Again, aren't you folks projecting? Is this the only Nation world over that takes advantage of these? 

I mean what exactly makes one a slave? Having a 9-5 job or two? Working to pay off your house or buy the house of your dream? Choosing to work hard to live the exact life you want for yourself? I mean we are talking about individuals who choose to make choices they believe will change their lives for good. Since when did the dictionary meaning of slavery change??

As for debt, it is a personal choice, both here and in Nigeria. There are millions of people in the same Nigeria who are in debt as well . . . they take one loan or another from either those around them or banks and struggle each day to make a living and pay off their debt. Nigerians, and everyone else here has much the same choices. Take out a loan or work to pay the money off as you go. So, why is it a big deal that a student chooses to take out a loan and afterwards has a loan to pay off? Is that EVIL? Why are LOANS suddenly the MARK OF EVIL?

If you do not have a loan . . . .  good for you. Not everyone is YOU. Not everyone has parents, even in Nigeria who can pay their way for them. We are not all born with silver spoons. If you have a loan and you are WHINING NOW about a loan you VOLUNTARILY signed up for, then sorry, you probably need to learn what responsibility means. 


What debt and quality of life has to do with being informed completely escapes me.

I completely agree with this post.
Saying Nigerians in Diaspora are living a life of slavery is another mis-education. It is like the guy Shymmex is trying to do exactly what is mum did to him, generalization and a toxic distortion of fact. Diaspora Nigerians have saved Nigeria's a-ss for decades by constantly "western unioning' money home to support their families and as a result, most do not feel the no-money pressure in the country since they are virtually surviving on diaspora economy and not actually on Nigeria's economy so what about that?

It brings me to another point when Home based Nigerians would like to talk down on Diasporans as being cowards, lazy or unpatriotic to have traveled abroad but if they think very deep, they should know that the more Nigerians exit the country, the more advantage for those left in the country because competition will be reduced for limited resources. Just Imagine a situation where all Nigerians abroad decides to go back home, is that not a big problem for everybody? Because both the returning Diaspora population and home based population will have to compete for the same limited and even diminishing resources. So people need to think about issues very well b4 talking down on anything.

shymmex:
It's funny how clowns want to equate politics and foreign affairs with being connected to a place, I bet you during the last elections in America - I probably know more than most Americans know about their Country, Not everyone in a Country cares about politics and foreign affairs, but does that means they're not connected with what they experience living there on daily basis HELL NO!!! They're more connected because they feel it and experience it, not hearsay,

The funniest thing is that most of the people spewing this BS live in America - a Country with a highest numbers of ignorant people in the world, Most americans can't even show you where Mexico is on a map, Most Americans can even name all the states in the Country the live in, I bet you 70% of americans don't even know who their speaker of the house is, A lot of the so-called "diasporan" Nigerian just talk out of their arse, trust me,

In the UK most people don't even know who their MP is, does that they're not connected to the Country - and people living outside that know their MPs are more connected to the Country than them

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Shymmex

I tried as much as possible to understand you and I did. U are really angry at ur miseducation about where u come from but be careful not too misunderstand some other ppl here too. There is frustration on both sides and no matter how u slice it, frustration in Nigeria is greater than , (let's use U.K as a case study since there is where u grew up) so I say U.K

You are actually complaining about software problems such as stigma, morally degraded society, living on debts etc. I understand very clearly the ernomous psychological discomfort this can cause to anyone most especially as a kid growing up in the face of these adversities. But the problems in Nigeria are hardware, if there is no money, it means there is no money, if u can not buy a dunlop canvas even if it is cheap, it means u can't. There is no benefit anywhere, just try to imagine that.
Un-interestingly, Nigeria's problem is a combination of soft and hardware because the fact that u are Nigerian in Nigeria does not mean that u still dont face discrimination, stigmatization and even oppression. You can already have a feel of it here on Nairaland by trying to observe hostilities between Yorubas and Ibos just over trivial issues, the rich oppress the poor and we attach class to everything which in turn encourages stigmatization of almost anything. Imagine working in to an office and be treated like a worthless human being just because they have either observed that u are not of their tribe or that you are not wealthy enough to give them an impressive amount as bribe and so on and so on. So how saddening can it be when u experience these kind of rejections in ur own country. Remember also that our justice system is only functioning at the level of politics, once a common man is oppressed, u are oppressed, no justice. All these can damage anyone's psychological well being faster than the U.K situation.

For me, I am comfortable with ur argument that some ppl like to mis present life abroad as a kind of paradise but from my own experience, I think that the trend is no more popular, less and less ppl brag about being diasporans these days because ppl at home are sorting themselves out somehow and diaspora is getting more and more hardknock. But dont get furious at any Nigerian complaining about how Nigeria is not working because the reality is that Naija aint working and they have all the right to let out their frustration just like u are letting yours out too.

In my opinion, ur experience of U.K and Naija would have been very balanced if u were already an adult in Naija b4 going to U.K, in that way, u would have had a better understanding by ur onwself without having to live on the info mum and dad was feeding u with.

@Samyng

U see, all u wrote here is the reason why ur thoughts and ur reasoning have been distorted. May be nothing wrong actually about those verses but something is wrong with how u and many others prefer to believe them. Just like if I asked u, do u believe or know or only assume that these guys u mentioned are anointed MOGs?

U believe in CURSES? who would curse who? how? Let m preach this to u, U can only save urself from all these bondage of curses wherever it might come from if u fail to believe in it in the 1st place. All u need to do is good and nothing but good. Be clear to ur conscience. And u will never be afraid of anyone scaring u with all these curses. So u can have liberty in ur thinking and in ur heart.

Please be advised and u shall be free.

The poster just trying to coerce ppl into believing what he wants them to believe. Such strategy of his can only grab on those who can not really think by themselves.

Just beginning to give a passmark on the basis of a judgement from the periphery can't be acceptable. It depends on his strategy, lets have the break-down. What are the expenses of maintaining public facilities and subsidies?

This guys would re-present and re-fabricate an already existing project so that it can fall under capital expenditure. Anyway, lets assume that the budget is in its proper form but reading out budgets and announcing it on paper has never being a problem in Nigeria. The problem is always implementation of anything, budget, policy, regulations, law e.t.c so should we be discussing this?

iotama22:
Some of us may not like Bishop Oyedepo’s style because of some of his beliefs like not announcing church members’ deaths… I am waiting for the day he will pass away whether his death will not be announced! Bible says, “Do unto others what you would have them do to you.”

But with all due respect to our individual views on the allegation of child abuse or whatever we may call it against Bishop David Oyedepo, I do not see the merits of discussing it at all. Let me categorically say that the unction of God upon Bishop Oyedepo cannot be denied. For those of us that feel he is wrong by raising his hand against that child in the video, I suggest we read about Smith Wigglesworth and a book titled God’s Generals by Roberts Liardon… and we will understand that God allows his men to use different styles to exorcise.

Please let us not be carried away by the brouhaha of “human right” or “child abuse.” There is no point talking about this issue at all, especially to think that it happened like 4 years ago! God knows His styles and the kinds of judgments He dishes out against His men…

Our country is presently faced with grave issues and I think we should be discussing the solutions to these issues—fuel subsidy removal, insecurity, power outage, abnormal unemployment rate, unemployability, etc. not Bishop Oyedepo’s issue!
This is my humble view, I stand to be corrected, albeit.

God bless us all!

@Iomata
If u think we should nt discuss this blatant development and start discussing fuel subsidy, Have u asked urself what is the fundamental cause of all the problem u think we should be discussing? Is it not oppression, arrogance, injustice and blatant assumption that every little fault is an effect pulled by the devil as demonstrated here by Oyedepo?

U see, the effect of such dogma kills the brain, it disallow u to think because how would u further investigate the cause of a given problem when u have absolutely admitted that a devil is the cause. The problem of Nigeria starts from these so called Pastors who have encaged the people mentally and also the politicians who only wants to enjoy life at the expense of the majority.

Now u mentioned some books as your reference to understanding God's numerous styles of exorcism. My question to u, who wrote those books? are they God or gods? what makes u think that the sense in there own philosophy is above urs. This is where all the problem comes from, majority of ppl want others to think for them. Have u forgotten that the same Oyedepo write books? I would not be surprised if tomorrow he spins out a new book called "The Enigma of Exorcism" wherein he would concoct and conjure phantom phenomena as a means of justifying his action that a man of God as he claims has done nothing wrong if he slapped and assaulted a helpless young lady publicly on the alter. Unfortunately, people like u would start drawing references from such book to buttress your points.

there is fire on the mountain!

Emmzalon:
You dnt give money 2 a pastor to enrich his pocket,u give him money 4 your own gud,and datz wat we call sowin in christainity in case u dnt knw,and its even beta 2 sow a seed on a fertile land like d life of a pastor datz got much grace and riches sodat u can reap in a hundred'fold. And dose of u abusing d great man of God,pray 2 God sodat your conscience can precipitate back 2 u coz i'm sure it as walkd away a 100miles 4rm u,ah'ah! If nt so u shld knw deep dwn in your heart dat all dis derogratary abuses against d man of God is an imposition of God's wrath on your life,family and d whole of your generation. So u're beta ask 4 4givnez and tel God 2 remove his impending doom on your life and family,u shld seek a pastor coz i'm tellin u dat if u dnt,your situation wil be far worst dan dat gurl's,coz dose abuses are turnin 2 a doom on your lifee!

U see, this is where ur problem start from, U r a victim of lethal indoctrination from ur revered obnoxious pastors and u are unaware of it.
Cant u think so deep to know that there is logic in spirituality and in this scenario God would impose his wrath on he who called himself a man of God but slapped and publicly assaulted a helpless young lady in God's name, meanwhile God will bless others who do not claim to be man of God but condemned such an action as unacceptable, oppression of a man against another man, arrogance ("do u know who u are talking to" "u are freed to go to hell" and injustice etc.

So save ur head and keep shut if u aint intelligent enough to observe an obvious wrong.

RuuDie:
The man goofed big time by slapping the lady. . . . . . .
but heck, he is still human afterall - maybe he just didn't understand the lady, maybe he was being incited on purpose to lose his cool, maybe this is the devil already winning by creating such dissent amongst children of God. . . . . we'll never know, but the man will make mistakes publicly, privately; and he, at the very least, deserves to be cut some slack!

Did u say cut some slack? I can see a shadow of hypocrisy in your stance. How can u cut a dude some slack when the dude is unapologetic? Or has he apologized to the young lady? C'mon meehn U treat these guys as extraordinary beings when u want to revere them but when they messed up big time, u ask us to reason with them because they are human beings. He should be jailed!!! or pay damages to that lady, period!!!

mavinc4u:
it is quite unfortunate that most of us don't understand the way devil operates.there are many ways of driving devil away from somebody, it could be by prayer,talking in a low tone to that person,shouting at that person or slapping depending on the type of demon disturbing the person.It wasn't the poor girl that gave that reply but the devil in her.i think he should have spoken to her in low tone to understand the kind of devil in her;devil hates quiet talk and a quiet environment cos he is lousy and likes noise.is only when the devil provokes that it requires slap but you must be a holy man before you can slap.the girl came out for deliverance meaning she needed the deliverance but the devil in her do not want her to be delivered,i guess if when the pastor said the girl should go to hell,he was referring to the girl then is totally wrong cos he should know how the devil operates,physically the girl was there but spiritually the devil was the one operating.please our pastors should understand before they act,this shows that pastor oyedepo is a temperance man and should work on that through prayer cos nobody is perfect. REMAIN BLESS!!!

How would u substantiate ur conviction that there is a devil in that girl? Tell me, otherwise I would regard ur write up here as mere nonsense


About stagger

If Stagger is so confident about his claim, why is he talking about his own different copy without bring it to the fore? Stagger load your copy on here and lets see please and if u can not deliver urself by showing us a copy of truth in your possession as u have claimed, U are also freed for hell.


The lady is mentally deranged or ignorant thats the point and here is a cowardly pastor slapping her. I appreciate many dudes here who have condemned this act very seriously. Tank u very much all, it makes me feel good that we still have people with quality brain in their skulls.

@ ryhmz

I was about typing a reply when I saw ur input. I don't need to do that anymore. I agree with u 100%
Evil brain have been evil-brainwashed by the west's propaganda at coercing the rest of the world into adhering to their own beliefs U have fallen for it.

If I want to marry two willing women in the U.S, why would America stop me? Is that not trampling on human rights of me and 2 other willing adults?

Can somebody tell evil brain to just go sit down somewhere?

I met this guy Jide Macauly just this October at the Africa day in The Hague. He was one of the speakers, he discussed liberalization of man-loving-men in Africa. I was surprised that I was conversing with a Nigerian pastor, who is a man-lover and even has a church in Nigeria. I started googling all these things when I got home the same day cos I was like how come I dont know about this guy before now.

He was a cool guy and I asked him that when did he realize that he was man-lover and he said that he even wrote a book on the question I am asking because iy has been asked so many times. He said it is not about when or how he became man-lover, he never became man-lover because he is man-lover!!!! Meeeehn I just kept my cool thruout,  he gave me his complimentary card and some handbills and I was wondering in my mind, why does this guy think I wanna have these things?
So if he starts fighting Naija govt over man-lover issues, that means he is about to be very popular cos the white monekys around here will support him and draw it into international politics. Considering how he was accorded a lot of respect by even the municipality of The Hague.

What is wrong with 40? 40 is not old at all. maybe women feel very old at 40 but for a man, life's just starting. For me I would chose to remain 35 because at that, u can still be youthful if u want and at the same time, relate conveniently with the elderly without them thinking that u are too young for them to relate or do business with.

Those who are choosing to remain 19, 24, 25 etc are funny to me because there are many things u are yet to experience at that age no matter how outgoing u are and if u remain at those ages, u miss out of such experiences forever.