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what makes you think that if someone gave you a gun today, you won't go on a killing rampage against Hausas?
so in essence are you any different?

the beauty contest thing is so obvious. why would you try to hold a westernized contest in the north. it's like trying to host miss world in iraq. or trying to host a muslim festival in RCCG redemption camp. that is very silly. it seems the producers of the contest were begging for riots in the first place. it is the government's fault for not preventing it from taking place there.

I still maintain today that a lot of violence that goes in is very preventable. ie southerners stay away from the north. very simple!! or better still, try to assimilate into your environment. but no, we go up there to look for trouble and scream "barbaric northerners" while we continue to live in their land and carry out activities that are not encouraged by the majority of the people there

I am not completely siding the north, I think there is a clear lack of tolerance on their part that they need to let go of gradually but I can understand where they are coming from. christians in the north is like gays in nigeria. it is unacceptable way of life from the perspective of the violent protesters. it doesn't make sense to you but it makes sense to them.

If I were a christian southerner (which I am), you wouldn't see me in the north. even if i went there, I won't practice my religion openly. I will keep it to myself.
we need to learn to be more sensitive to each other's views.

as already mentioned, the northern rioters are also burining down imam and emir's houses. so the violence is not only against southerners. whatever the case may be, the govt ought to do something to arrest the offenders and deter future rampages from happening.

again someone is killed senselessly and condolences to the family, but why should the whole north carry the burden?

because many people do not like to think rationally.
to me,  the OP is not any different from the bigoted murderers. only exception is that the OP isn't in a position of power to act on his sinister desires as the angry northern rioters were able to.

aktunde:
I have never spoken for or against GEJ for once. The case of this guy will let us know if GEJ will perform well or not. If he fails to bring justice to the families of these victims, then he has failed already.

exactly. The leaders of the country should find a way to bring solutions to our problems. that is why they are elected after all. Let's all see what GEJ will do.
may the soul of the young man RIP

but ask yourself what you ought to do about this.what have the so-called good mallams ever done to prevent recurrences.
quite frankly your hand -wringing righteousness is vile to my senses.  i do not see you lot as brothers or compatriots but as a terrible  affliction from god. a pestilence and a damnation,a disease with no cure.

you tell us nothing new but confirm that we are generally ignorant about each other and guess work is poor ersatz for research/data .
one point of note ;recent events confirm that we don't really want to know  your people and the sooner we are shot of  each other the better

so, iwonbaoko, what have YOU done to prevent the recurrences? what do you think YOU could do to prevent it? what is YOUR step of action?
have you asked yourself that question? try doing that first.

not saying that I don't understand your anger. but let's not let blind emotions overtake our sensibilities

kuka700:
@jenifa d poster
i am hausa from katsina state. i think it is our northern leaders who ruled this country for long years that have caused us much problems. for all those years they ruled, they never did anything tangible for the masses. the government then was dominated with corruption and self enrichment. the masses bacame aware of this reality; and when buhari a person known for integrity presented himself, the northern masses accepted him as their messiah. thus he gained a large support from them. he vied for president in 2003 but lost; the elections were rigged. he want to the court but judiciary was bad. he vied again in 2007 but the election was more heavily rigged this time. the rigging was so provocative because it involved physical use of force by the incumbent govt then. it involved thumb printing, snatching and stuffing of ballot boxes by those in power. the masses were frustrated. they were shown power of incumbency. buhari went to court again but to no avail. this time around, in 2011 he said he was not going to court as it was useless; buhari told the masses to protect their votes and reject rigging. this potrayed buhari as the vilian while GEJ was calling for peace and condenming violence and thus seemed like the good guy.
as for the violence and killings that ensued after the elections, it was committed by northern agberos, street boys who have nothing doing but always intoxicated by smokng marijuana. they are uneducated, poor and unemployed. they barely have a good understanding of islam too. they are just waiting for any opportunity to cause chaos. they loot, damsge properties and kill. some of them also have a wrong perception of the wars islam fought against unbelieves in those days. so when such chaotic situation arise, they think its OK to kill the xtians. no educated northerner will do that.
for the born to rule mentatlity, ive never known of it. i dont know if the northern elites had any delibrate plan or agenda towards that effect. even if they did, the common northerner didnt know about it. however, what i know is that, the common northerner is in most cases religiously biased. he always has religious sentiments. this is typical of an islamic state. what the uneducated northern masses always forget is that nigeria is not an islamic state.
this problem has it roots in the issue of secularism. i believe xtianity also faced this prob at one time. in orthodox traditional islam, the church (mosque) is not separated from the state. so uptill this time, islam is still being faced with the issue of secularism. it almost seems that in islam, the church is inseparable from the state. however, these days, new ways of thinking and interpretation have begun springing up which seems to be giving way to secularism but it mey still take some time for it become fully accepted and integrated in islamic societies.
the almajiris are students. today, they are seen as nuisance becuase they do more evil than good. the almajiri system is an old educational system which was very functional in those days. it involved students living their homes to travel to a long distance to seek knowledge. it was a difficult endeavor that required patience and persevernce. with the system, the students learnt good morals and knowledge. plus it was free of charge. however, the system is not functional today because it produces more bad students than good. some people in the rural areas still believe in this system and because they cannot afford the cost of western education they still patronize this old system of education.
sorrry for the poor construct and language.

I appreciate this post very much. I am glad to see your comment.
I am especially interested in the highlighted part of your post though. when you say that new ways of thinking is springing up, how rapidly or slowly is this change occurring? among which class of people in the north? and in what forms are the changes occurring (ex. what are people doing differently/ that new thoughts are people starting to have)?

ekitibear and sefago, are you guys planning to become politicians or something?

anyways, which region do you think has a stronger manufacturing base or potential to develop one? SW or SE? I think SE. so you should be scared.
oil wealth is a curse unless you are choosing not to export most of it. or the size of your country is like that of UAE. which will be the case of SS stands alone.

Jarus,
could you try to find out what's going on in the fashion section. It's run down with advertisements it's hard to participate in any conversation. when I checked the moderator's profile, she hasn't been on NL since last year!!
can you appeal to seun or mukina to get someone to moderate the fashion section plz
thank you!!

SEFAGO:
Although I am not phucking you either, I do feel pedantic, so I would go the extra mile and explain to you some points about Nigeria. Christianity was forced on everyone  , the missionaries came with the bible and a gun. They did not just arrive in anywhere in Yorubaland or alaigbo with a bible and welcoming big smiles and hugs from Yoruba and Igbos. The missionaries were synonymous with colonialism and the slave trade, they dealt the shiite out of the igbos (read some history). If the British wanted to impose christianity on the Northerners, they could have done so easily. It might be more expensive than the diplomatic method of indirect rule but with their technological advantage (Guns versus Bows and arrows) they could have made every single Northerner as educated as the south and bible lovers if they wanted to. It would have of cause been a very costly campaign for the Brits but then they were getting a steady flow of cash from India-so what?

They just did not bother to do it because indirect rule was most effective.

More religious IMO. The cartoons created by the Belgian cartoonists and the riot that was an outcome had nothing to do with ethnicity.

the way I learned it, christian missionaries[i] tried[/i] to evangelize in the north but the emirs refused them and appealed to the British authorities referring to the agreement they made to let them keep their religion.
yes like you said, the british acquiesced to this agreement because they didn't have enough resources to control the north. it was costly.
but  I don't agree that northerners had no say in whether they were to be converted or not.

the british authorities and missionaries were separate entities although they both represented the colonization efforts.

besides, I don't fully understand the "gun" rhetoric. you can put the gun to the man's head and tell him to do what you want. but you can't put the gun to his head and make him believe in God. religious conversion is more of a psychological process done mostly through education and positive emotional appeal etc. you don't use guns to make people convert that will be very counter productive and would make them resist rather than accept christianity. or hide their true religion while they superficially accept yours.
in fact, majority of conversion to christianity in yorubaland took place through african converts themselves. ie british educated and converted a few who in turn converted the masses. bishop ajayi crowther stands out as a prominent example.
and the missionaries tried to provide education, health services etc in order to gain converts. they definitely did not carry guns shooting those who didn't convert.

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to me, religion and culture go together. the hausa identity and culture rests on their islamic heritage. so yea it is a religious thing but it is also cultural or ethnic so to speak.
besides the danish cartoons just served as a spark that ignited an already existing tension that was waiting to explode at the slightest provocation. this tension has a lot to do with ethnic+religious dynamics within nigeria.

if ethnicity had nothing to do with it, wouldn't you have yoruba muslims pitted against yoruba christians over the danish cartoons and in general?

Nadanbata:
Lol na theres no 'fierce' resistance to Christianty, Islam is the religon it will not change haha.

the violent clashes in the north often have religious tones to it. why do the northern protesters attack christians especially. ie churches are burnt, recently 50 NYSC members of National Christian Corpers locked in a building and set on fire.

if this is not a resistance to christian encroachment, what is it?

I love that you are here to answer my questions.

Katsumoto:
You have it all wrong; you need to go back in history and understand why the emirs and the British did not permit western education in the North. It had nothing to do with conservatism but more to do with control.

seeking or aiming to maintain status quo is about power and control. yes I know that. lol
but that wasn't my point. my point is i'm trying to relate it to present day events. ie asking nadanbata a question about why northerners are intolerant of southern christians today akin to the same way they were intolerant of british missionaries.

most people today don't look at the religious clashes as being about control or fight for self interest. they see it as irrational actions by a barbaric people.

read the post ystranger quoted from me, you will see how I used the comment as a segway to asking nadanbata a question about his views of religious intolerance today.

SEFAGO:
What are your thoughts on this matter? Why are you guys disinterested in education?

In every school I attended in Nigeria the bottom of the class was solidly composed of Hausa, the middle of the class Igbo with some sharing the bottom with hausa and the top students of the class Yoruba.

Do you have a reason for this? Culture?

read the article by sanusi. he mentions that the british intentionally banned education in the north.
i think hausas themselves also, because they rejected christianity, caused the lack of western education which came mostly through missionaries.

to this day, I think there is a fierce resistance against Christianity.
I always used to believe that the conflict between north and south is mostly ethnic rather than religious but really ethnicity, culture and religion are intertwined.

i'm not hausa so I guess nadanbata can reply to correct my post and contribute his opinion as well.

OAM4J:
You are forgetting a fact that our population size is still a plus for us. For instance, our market size attracts foreign investments. Besides there is beauty in our diversity.

Tell me, will you prefer US as it is or do you think each state will fair better on its own?

exactly. this is the #1 reason Nigeria needs to stay as one. I have said it before but we do live in a globalized world now where it's us against other countries. size definitely matters. but of course, unity matters just as much. how can we defend ourselves against foreign aggressors when we are trying to defend ourselves against each other.

yea US was originally 13 small  independent colonies as well. they united against britain. and then expanded even further. it makes sense.

Ystranger:
So Yorubas and Igbos are not proud of their culture, in your opinion, that is why they embraced western education?  So being close minded and lacking foresight = Being more conservative?

Interesting indeed.

yorubas and igbos are less protective/defensive of their traditional culture. yes
and if you re-read my post you will see that I didn't make any moral value judgements on the comment.

I'm not sure if you deliberately chose a clownish personality for yourself on NL. but I think you ought to have a little bit of self-respect.

OAM4J:
Breaking apart to me is not the solution. decentralization, resource control and true federalism will solve more than 70% of our problems.

I like this piece from Sanusi, it is an interesting read for those of you who have not read it before.

I'm in favor of staying united as well. I support the idea of federalism but I don't think it should be too strict otherwise, I fear that government in the three regions will be radically different it will be very hard to work together as a nation. then we might as well break into three separate countries.
how do you mean by resource control?

For me its simple. Dont blame the Almajari (homeless/beggers etc). They are a Product of the (knowing) faliure of Naija leadership (PDP). Blame PDP with ther $1000 suits. SMH.

Buhari didnt order no riots, it was spontaneous. And of course I condem all violence targetted at the minortites in the North.

Nadanbata, you know I wish there were more hausas on nairaland. your comments are definitely welcome.
hausas live in the worst poverty in nigeria so it makes sense that this is about resources. besides poverty, what else do you think is a problem?

hausas are much more conservative than the rest of nigeria and very protective of their culture. Even the british were barred from bringing chrsitian missionaries to the north talkless of them tolerating southern christians.

i'm assuming you are muslim. what is your opinion of southern christians in the north?

Crude Oil:
Okay. . . so because they did not kill any of your family/friend two days ago you have decide to applaud and appreciate them. No problem.

what do you mean by "they"?
you mean the 25 million hausa population or a couple of disgruntled rioters?

MEND had their own violent outbursts too. why aren't Niger Deltans labelled as barbaric?
obviously there is ethnic sentiments involved and we are not thinking rationally. let us try to reason logically and understand our issues other wise, free free to find another thread (there are tons of them already) to express your angry emotions.

Nairaland is represented predominantly by southerners and so a lot of the comments about hausas lately are very negative and I wanted to use this thread as an avenue to let hausa members (esp. those living in the north) to air their own views and opinion on the current affairs in Nigeria.

I personally am trying to see things a bit from northern perspective because I know we are all human beings and people tend to rationalize the decisions that they make. I think i've had enough igbo/yoruba perspective of the "barbaric" northerners. This thread is for Hausa to speak for themselves.

No abusive, condescending words allowed here.

these corpers were members of the Nigerian Christian Corpers Fellowship -NCCF
I think this is equally about religion as it is about GEJ.

happy birthday dear

this is such a fascinating topic.

I find myself more sympathetic toward namfav's posts but on the other hand, I can somehow relate to tweety121's posts.

just remember to dye your gray hair if you decide to release a music video.

Eko Ile:
Few months from now, you go begin holla marginalization, you go begin blame cats and dogs,

lol. today, GEJ is igbo has igbo blood, tomorrow  

ystranger,

didn't we make a compact never to mention each other's usernames? Please don't start with me. scroll up and click the log off button if you can't learn to ignore my posts.

step1:
This is one of the reasons parents need to stop teaching there children hate against other groups. Most igbos don't trust us because of the 1960's war but the reason is so annoying and stu.pid it make me sick. The sooner igbos trust yorubas then the better it is. Igbos in lagos are trusting yorubas until the JJC called chief Uche came to talk about the politics of Lagos. Trust the yorubas as they have trusted you and you would see change and unity.

lol. I always thought the mistrust was between igbos and hausas?
but yea I agree that parents ought to stop teaching their kids tribalism.

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=649817.msg8160501#msg8160501 date=1303185538]Nah, I think you'd have to offer everyone currently in Lagos. Or at least, force them to choose citizenship between the SW Republic and whatever other country they have a claim on. You cannot dispossess people of citizenship anyhow. . . I'm pretty sure it is illegal, will get you in trouble with the UN, etc.

But once they make that choice, you are free to then restrict citizenship to outsiders.

PS: Long time![/quote]of course if one wants to claim SW citizenship that's fine.
but if you re-read his post, he is saying that lagos should be an independent city state (or mini country).
I don't see the basis for that.

how have u been?

come on. Buhari should accept the defeat. I supported his candidacy and understand that defeat may be hard to take after spending so much money on campaigning but,

what he should be doing now is appealing to the rioters.

MaziUche0:
Lagos will remain a city state though. SW is going no where with Lagos.  

Igbos and Niger Deltans have a direct claim to that city.

I seriously do not understand this argument.
If Nigeria divides into three tomorrow (God forbid)  and you live in lagos, you just become an immigrant that's all. apply for visa and you can stay.

^ why do southerners reject them?

--GEJ is an incumbent so people are more familiar with him. besides, he hasn't been terrible so people are willing to give him a chance over someone like Buhari who's actions might be a bit more radical.
--GEJ has more financial resources to sponsor his campaign (it has been pointed out that there was over 70% voter turn out in the precints where he won. but less than 40% in areas where Buhari was supported).

@OP, I think you should be proud of who you are. start surrounding yourself with more northerners or invite some to join NL.
I would feel ashamed too if i were the only Nigerian among a group of foreigners talking about nigerian 419 scam and i'm trying to fit in with them.
or the only hausa among a group of southerners talking about violence in the north.
shame is generally a feeling of fear of being socially ostracized. you are ashamed because of what yorubas and igbos think? because you live among yorubas and igbos? you are trying to please yorubas and igbos?
You should explain more to us where this feeling of shame comes from. it's one thing to be angered or disappointed by your people's actions. it's another thing to be ashamed to be a member of your ethnic group.

Kobojunkie:
and from my experience up north, I know a lot of folks play the radio, but I don't know if I will say they really listen.

lol. they play radio but do not listen.  are they deaf or what?

El Guapo:
[color=#0066ff] Barely how many hours i prophesied about a potential assualt frm the Buhari Quarters, whats going on at Abuja, Kano and Jos right now??
Mr i've known Hausa for years though aint in the nation again, they're heartless, Jealous, and toooooo Tribalistic!
I knew it frm the onset that Even if Gej won those craps wont take it.
So u berra close this thread cos every appreciation wired in here arent coming frm the real staunch Hausa Buhari's supporters.
Thank You [/color]

why not create your own thread. one that satisfies your thirst for violence and commotion?

He lost the election to power of incumbency

I agree. I hope he runs again in 2015.

Chrisbenogor:
I supported BB for the election, but what I saw on saturday in rivers state shocked me. GEJ has a following that is almost cultlike. I hope he serves us well, as it stands he is still my president and I will as a patrotic Nigerian support him in my own little way. Congrats Goodluck.

nice comment.

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let's confront issues not each other!!

[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=648770.msg8150284#msg8150284 date=1303076076]^- I doubt Fashola contests in 2015 unless something radically changes. His best bet imo is to go into the Senate, wait for a better time.[/quote]I really hope he does.

ib55:
Hi all,
pls check out this unofficial stats:http:
//www.eienigeria.org/publications/29-resources/154-presidential-poll-results
(but 90% accurate) can u believe more than 70% voter turnout in only places where PDP won and less than 50% in places  where CPC won. Even Lagos had less than 40% turnout. I think its free and fair where they cant rig and vice versa. PLs help me out cos i believe we have open minded ppl on this forum(sentiments aside).

more than 70% voter turn out is very high.

why do you assume that the elections were free and fair?
maybe freer and fairer than what we are used to. yes. but most likely not perfectly free and fair in the ideal sense of the term.