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Ikomi:
So you want us to take that as an answer?

ikomi, if you are of the ikomi's i know my question is how did you become a taliban loving man?

mukina2:
You need help.

it is good to know your true colour is gradually coming out. you love it when your satanic brethren spills innocent blood shouting satan is great but u dont like it when they shed one of your own.

i have good news for you boarders are increasingly being tightened so they are more likely to continue killing themselves which is fair cos your life and blood is not better than the people they have been killing.

a mother gave birth to the innocent people you so much hate you cause the enormous pain you guys cause worldwide

spikedcylinder:
My point is, you need to set aside your differences with your ex wife and allow your daughter to visit her mother.

it would be nice to know how a young girl ended up staying with the dad in the first place

mukina2:
You cant seem to stop making very stupid statements. i think you need help

u want to use me learn how to insult people. it is very easy being arm chair mujahadeens like they do here on NL asking for ban for saying a cleric daughter did boobs job. i think they should go to war theatre and see what battle really look like and come here tell the story.

olabs know i will not deliberately put him in arms way but he hasnt seen wars and fight so let him go taste and lets hear his opinion.

abi na your oga?

[quote author=cooldud62* link=topic=282658.msg4022739#msg4022739 date=1244900436]@cheemoney, you are so creative, you called me cooldude69! you know i like that, i will consider that username when seun banns me next
you claim you left the forum long time because of people! I can bet my neck you have a million usernames lol
Just like kabloeee said, what kind of husband will you be even if all you are saying are even true?
for someone like you who own all you claim to have, your wife should care less about saving money from your wedding budget, even a wedding planner should handle the project.

@cheemoney, i am not hating you at all, i am pointing out your inadequacies. if you do decide to hold your party again though, contact me on 08036832482. I wanna attend with a big boy like you but pls dont include your wife in the arrangement! If you tell her to buy Moet, she might decide to buy Eva to save a little change [/quote]u may wish to note that how you spend money matters a lot in your being poor or rich.
most poor spend and never save or invest . the rich save and invest some more. pls dont come up with the poor dont have to invest cos you will find most rich never had to invest at the beginning too it is always a matter of judgement, sacrifice and priorities

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=264305.msg4021122#msg4021122 date=1244851068]Oyb this is around midnight in Nigeria,don't you have a wife to cuddle?
Abi she banish you for couch
be gone[/quote]oyb, ansa simple question na.

TV01:
Hi All,

I tust this finds everyone well.

I haven't posted for a while and the frequency of my posting is greatly reduced. Having said that, I still visit as often as I ever did, following any thread that catches my attention, but for the most part being content to reflect on the views of others.

I have followed this thread from the beginning and was again planning  - and happy -  to remain on the sidelines and hear other express their views.

I'm neither seek a high profile or attention, so I would really rather I was personally left out of this. Having said that I took no issue with Kunle making mention of me during the discourse, after all I have no reason to believe his intent was in any way malicious. Neither will I object to anyone referencing anything I've published or even personally discussed, as long as it is accurately quoted and contextualised.


So I'm posting for two reasons;

The first is to respond to $osisi' post - #158 - earlier today.

Hi $osisi,  I hope you are well. We have had very little interaction on NL and not directly for some time. We both have a body of postings and I'm sure have had occassion to read each others entries. I must say I'm rather saddened by your post earlier today and I'll explain why.



As an entre intended to both wound and calumnise, could you have done much better? Your pointedly referencing and ascribing a "form" of Christianity to both Kunle and myself is at best religiously censorious.  Which would suggest you are an arbiter of what are "true" and "form" strains of Christianity. At the very least if you are allowed to express you opinion  - wrightly or wrongly - about individuals, does not Kunle have the same right to express his opinion about strains of denominationalism or worship traditions?


I can only shake my head in wonder here, as I have never once suggested anything remotely like that. Wonder as you cannot fail to understand exactly what you are doing here, by falsely ascribing to me a stance I have never taken.

And for the record I will state here; simply I'm still on my journey. Neither do I believe that doctrinal excellence or scriptural supremacy is key. I am always ready to be disabused of any wrong notions I may hold, but please address the notions and refrain from ad hominen invective.


Again, you maliciously ascribe something to me that cannot be verified. I have my understanding and position on certain religious or faith practices and doctrine, but would you disallow me that? Or am I obliged to confer and agree with you on every point?


Not content to falsely ascribe things to me and take issue because I have expressed an opinon, you progress to labelling me heretical and a probable cultist. Are you trying to flatter me ?


Both wierd and funny?? - In a sense, isn't Kunle on the verge of leaving your "fold"? Why not encourage him/us? Shouldn't you be glad?

And in all the religious landscape, are you sure its TV and Kunosh the Bible is warning you against? Two individuals without profiles, no following, no platforms, no power, influence and dare I say wealth. Who are not soliciting for followers or seeking to establish - neither belong too - a denomination or institutional church?? Or asking that you subscribe to their beliefs/doctrines or follow their paths or asking for your resources? Please don't take my word for it $osisi, but I'd say no! !

Eeeerrr, my desire to impress you exactly matches my desire to decieve you. No prizes.

So then, is perdition your prognosis?

Lots has been said on the word "perfection" in relation to believers and the church in this thread and I was briefly tempted to write on that very point. I yet may.

All Kunosh has said - and please correct me if I am wrong - is that the various forms of institutionalised religious christianity are in his view so far removed from the scriptural blueprint that he has doubt if they are still in essence the true church refered too. Ergo, he may no longer worship in that setting.

He did not say he no longer believed, he did not say he would no longer fellowship, he did not say he was seeking perfect people or a perfect church. If your view is that he is in error or danger, why not show him scripturally why that is the case? Why not address the issue, possibly delivering him and others in the same position.


I missed the bit where you actually referred to the topic or addressed the issue? Your intent becomes even more obvious. The effect? On me personally zilch. Some may be wrongly coloured in their opinion of me - but again for my own sake, no qualms.


$osisi I bear you no malice or ill-will, indeed my desire for you remains the same as for everyone - that we all seek and find the truth of God in Christ Jesus.


The second is to say if anyone would like to quote me, please take time to do so faithfully. Or just ask and I'll happily answer as best I can.


Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

God bless
TV

why do you "truth" telling/ "yea i am right" people find others  truth so hurting?

ttalks:
Being sarcastic towards him does not help matters.
I'm not defending Kunle; rather I'm simply trying to point out some things which u might be misconstruing about him or his posts.
Plus u know he never claimed to be the only one doing things right; that would be wrong interpretation of what he has been putting across. [size=13pt] i didnt know he didnt say that cos i have given him plenty  opportunities to deny same.
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Why don't we just say what we want to say about issues without being sarcastic/cunningly slanderous/mischieviously provocating towards others?!

no laughing matter i was quoting him word for word. he is a 1994 graduate with proper home training unlike some of us.  so you see why we cant afford the bible let alone read one and understand.

noblezone:
Was Abiola's death worth it?
What improvement or positive change did his death bring to Nigeria?
Is Nigeria better or worse?
Was his decision to confront Abacha the right one?
Would it had been better if he had gone on exile and fight from there?
Did he die for Nigeria or just for his personal agenda?

Finally, it it worth it to die for Nigeria?

mmmmmmmm abiola died for nigeria. believe anything

luka12345:
Theres no need to be homophobic, if you dont like gay people then just please move along. I am going through alot of pain and I dont need to hear these hurtful remarks now to.
If you do have some advice for me and want to help me then id appreciate it. I am a human being, even through the internet believe it or not.
I have a heart and a family who loves me and I dont deserve to be treated this way.

Luka

sorry i know the truth hurts. you are expecting to much from him. his life is already influenced by demons and you are expecting him not to lie. how do u expect fishes not to drink water?

you should be looking for help in delivering yourself from this lifestyle. you need help. others have been through it and got dilevered and now lead heathy and happier lifestyles now. try it you may enjoy and find lasting happiness.

[/quote][quote author=georgecso link=topic=283618.msg4022556#msg4022556 date=1244897859][size=16pt]Why are the Muslim world mute over this cancerous plague known as the "Talibans"? In recent days these so-called Taliban have unleashed terror on the innocent people of Pakistan.

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has condemned the killing of an anti-Taliban cleric in a suicide bombing.

In a late-night broadcast to the nation, Mr Zardari singled out the killing of cleric Sarfraz Naeemi at a school in Lahore by the Taliban.

He said the Taliban were brutal people who were working against the sovereignty of Pakistan.

Mr Zardari also announced bonuses for the armed forces and pay rises for government officials.

In the attack on the Islamic religious school and in a simultaneous suicide bombing at a mosque in the north-west garrison town of Nowshera at least six people were killed and about 100 injured.

A leading Sunni Muslim scholar opposed to the Taliban, Mr Naeemi was known for his outspoken views against suicide bombings and militancy.

He was one of the few scholars who had openly supported the ongoing military operation in Swat and had labelled the activities of the Taliban "un-Islamic".

Mr Zardari said: "We are fighting a war for our sovereignty. We will continue this war until the end, and we will win it at any cost."

The president paid tribute to the bravery of soldiers fighting what he called "this war on terrorism". [/size]

truth is that they didnt find others to kill so they are killing themselves which is fair on them. i wish olabs and his likes can go enlist though

Funke Akindele, Cobhams Visit Heart Of Gold Hospice

By Sandra Okafor, Lagos


Funke Akindele Actor of the Year at The Future Awards 2009, Funke Akindele, led a team of other award winners including ace music producer, Cobhams Asuquo, to the Hearts of Gold Hospice in Surulere, Lagos, recently.

Under the interventions arm of The Future Nigeria Project, the organisers of the awards took Funke Akindele, Cobhams Asuquo, Mosunmola Umoru (Business Owner of the Year), Dr. Adedayo Osholowu (Professional of the Year) and Emmanuel Etim (Best Use of Advocacy) to give donations and draw attention to the continuing needs of the orphanage and its children.

The Hearts of Gold Hospice is the only of its kind in the country, and takes care of children with special (physical and mental) needs including terminally ill children.

The winners were then given a tour, showing first hand how she has managed very little resources to save many lives.

“Some have referred to the kids that are here as children that no one else wants,” Funke said, just before leading the other winners to present their cash and material donations.

“Indeed, it is easy to love children who are cute and who are looking healthy. However, the true test of love is what we feel towards disadvantaged children who need society’s attention most.”

As Cobhams took one of the babies in his arms, Mrs. Adedoyin christened the child as Olufunke after the winners had presented their gifts.

She also got Cobhams’ commitment to be on the Hospice’s board of trustees, and revealed that Governor Babatunde Fashola of Lagos State celebrated his birthday last year at the orphanage and has kept to his promise by completing an estate for them which will be opened on his birthdaylater this month.

The staff and the children had a swell time with the visitors, especially Funke who was in her ‘Jenifa’ character throughout the visit.

“You could see how the visit warmed their hearts and lifted their spirits,” female farmer and Business Owner of the Year winner, Mosun Umoru said. “I think that was just as important as the money and the items that we brought. You could see how stressed out the amazing staff of the orphanage and Mrs. Adedoyin were, and to be able to put a smile on their faces and to have a superstar like Funke Akindele just be so down to earth and share her time and resources with them… I was glad and blessed to be part of this today.”http://www.tribune.com.ng/13062009/enter2.html#2

tunku:
Man it feels good to know that Nigeria isn't the only country practicing selection. Wow, even amongst candidates stacked for the supreme ayatollah in an election that doesn't throw up much surprises they still managed to rig the results to such a massive level that you'd have to commend them for the brass balls needed to undertake such injustice. Mousavi will still ultimately answer to the Ayatollah and its not like he is a liberal either, he just wants Iran to focus internally on itself. Seriously this is amazing,why rig a showpiece election when the outcome wouldn't affect the ruling class by much?

what did you expect from an islamic state?

Abuzola:
THE QUESTIONS NOBODY WANTS TO ANSWER -

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      What about the Bible? Who actually wrote it?
    *

      What was the original language of the Bible? (Hebrew? Aramaic? Koine Greek?)
      NOTE: - The Bible was never in English during the time of any prophet (not even Muhammad) - because English did not exist until after 1066 AD!
    *

      Does the Bible exist in the original form anywhere on earth? (No)
    *

      Why does the Catholic Bible has seven (7) more books than the Protestant Bible?
    *

      Why do these two Bibles have different versions of the same books?
    *

      Why are there so many mistakes and errors are from the very first verse right up to the very last verse?
    *

      Why do 'Born Again Christians' teach concepts that are not from the Bible?
    *

      There is no word "Trinity" in the Bible in any version of any language
    *

      The oldest forms of Christianity do not support the 'born again' beliefs
    *

      Jesus of the English Bible complains about the 'crucifixion'
      ("Eli! Eli! Lama sabachthani? - My God! My God! Why have You forsaken me?" [Mk 15:34]
    *

      How can Jesus be the "Only Begotten Son" of John 3:16? When in Psalms 2:7 David is God's "Begotten Son?"
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      Would a 'Just' God, a 'Fair' God, a 'Loving' God -- punish Jesus for the sins of the people that he called to follow him?
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      What happens to people who died before Jesus came?
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      What happens to those who never hear this message?
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      What about innocent children who die although their parents are not Christian?
    *

      Didn't God create Adam from dirt? -- So, why does he need Mary to make Jesus?
    *
      And what about God?
          o How can God create Himself?
          o How can God be a man?
          o How can a man be a God?
          o How can God have a son?

    * The Bible says "Seth (is) the son of Adam" and that"Adam is the son of God." [Lk 3:36]
    * Can't God just forgive us and not have to kill Jesus?
    * And what about Jesus?
          o Jesus did not even carry the cross --  Simon Cyre'ne, a passerby did! [Mk 15:21]
          o Jesus of the Bible was NOT on the cross for longer than six (6) hours -- NOT three days -- (from the 3rd to the 9th hour) [Mk 15:25 & 15:33]
          o Jesus of the Bible did not spend three days and nights in the tomb -- Friday night - until Sunday before dawn -- is not 3 days and nights!
          o Jesus DID NOT claim to be God - or even equal to God!

restless sinner. who swear for you? you devote your time to read a book you despice. Jesus is Lord

and He is calling you to come to Him and experience the love and beauty of knowing Him.

ttalks:
@JJYOU;

You know that there is a difference between bashing or 'bad-mouthing' the church and then speaking against the errors committed by some members of the church.

If you really go through Kunle's posts and articles objectively, you'll notice that he is doing the latter and not the former.

His methods or approach might be crude, but his intent is well placed/right.

Try to view his posts objectively rather than have a preconcieved notion about him; cos I've noticed that most of ur responses to him or his posts are based on a conception you have of him and not objective.

We can't all say we're not guilty in some way or the other in some issues that we accuse or label others of; even you.
But the right thing always has to be done.

thanks for rising to the defence of the great saint. i know he is a 1994 baptist graduate plus being a well brought up boy but dont you think he missed the mark when only him and bros TB joshua are the only one doing good in nigeria? it is okay coming here to defend him i suggest you have a midnight call to him afterall he aint going to church soon.

[quote author=petres_007 link=topic=282213.msg4022204#msg4022204 date=1244890050][Deep sigh]

Its taken quite a while to get over the shock of reading you guys’ comments on this thread. It is very clear you do not know how serious this issue is.

For now I briefly address something a trend I’ve noticed on this thread (no pun intended). The issue of everyone posting to express their opinion. Now I understand that this is site s a public forum and of course, anybody and everybody can express their opinions and even start threads etc. Its okay to just barge in post your opinions when the topic being discussed is um… maybe something like “Are Men More Intelligent Than Women?” or “Why Do Poor People Have So Many Kids?” or “How Open Can You Get With Your Feelings?”… You know… topics like that. But it’s not okay (though its allowed, as this site is a public forum) when the topic being discussed is something very sensitive, and if I may add, something the Bible clearly speaks about… I mean it’s improper for you to just come in and spew out your opinions!

The issue the poster has raised very serious one. And I MEAN VERY SERIOUS. And the bible has much to say on this issue. Now, I don’t know Kunle, but I can tell you that his decision to stop attending church because their teaching and practices are clearly unbiblical, is VERY CORRECT!!! The bible is full of instructions to Christians to turn away from anyone or any group that teaches anything different from what Jesus and what his apostles taught. I don’t know how most of you posting here have missed it!

Someone even said here, that this is how sects/cults starts – someone thinks everyone but him is in the wrong etc. and then goes of by himself, gathers followers etc. What nonsense! That’s not what he bible says! In fact, to tell you how serious this issue is, there curse on anyone who teaches anything different from the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as taught by the apostles (and by extension, the scriptures of today).

Here it is:
6 ¶ I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and turning to a different gospel--
7 not that there is another gospel, but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed.
– Galatians 1:6-9

And again:
17 ¶ I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them.
18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by fair and flattering words they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded.
Romans 16:17-18

Jesus himself warned of false prophets, and even commended a group of believers for detecting some guys who claimed to be apostles, but are not:
"'I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear evil men but have tested those who call themselves apostles but are not, and found them to be false;
– Rev 2:2

Would’ve presented more scriptures believe these three are enough to pass the point across.

My point again?
When its an issue the bible clearly speaks about. You’re opinions are not welcome. You either take it or leave it! The bible says to stay away from false ministers and organisations. If you’re a Christian you should comply. If you’re not, don’t comply give your opinions. Its so simple.

In the book of Revelation, the bible tells of a LovePeddler, an asulterous church organisation riding a beast, the message to God’s people within was very simple, as all the others throughout the scriptures. COME OUT OF HER!!! End of story. If you remain there (in churches where the word is being preached), YOU WILL COMPROMISE! Its only a matter of time.

And I want to use this opportunity to reach out again to anyone out there who by God’s grace, is tired of delusion out there in the name of God and his Christ, anyone who’s looking for a place to fellowship with believers, who by God’s grace (and not because we’re more intelligent than anybody else) are earnestly contending for the faith handed down by the Lord Jesus and his apostles, which is well preserved for us today in the scriptures, I invite you to join us in our “church”. Interestingly, we’ll be starting (tomorrow the 14th of June 2009) a very juicy series on the validity of the bible, we’ll be taking a look at the council of Nicaea and related issues.

Please contact me. My name is Peter, and my email address is petres_007@yahoo.com

God bless![/quote]kunle there is an invitation for you.  

mr peter, would you be accepting tithes and offerings too?
which church / orgainisation have you passed thru or come out?

you appear not to have noticed that almost everyone is saying that kunle have histoty and record of bad mouthing the church of Christ in nigeria.  how could you have missed that?

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=282213.msg4022106#msg4022106 date=1244887893]It's alright to agree and disagree; but how does the case of your father, grandfather and you of ceasing to attend church set an example for other Christians?







    Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;
    but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    Hebrews 10:25

    Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou.
    These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
    Isaiah 65:5

    How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time,
    who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
    These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
    Jude 18-19[/quote][quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=282213.msg4021840#msg4021840 date=1244879518]May God bless you with His good Hands and never take them off your life for ever!  You have just captured the essence of what many people have been noting all along in sounding the note of caution. The history of many cults within Christendom began with those same features -

           ●  everyone else (except themselves) is in error

           ●  nobody else is doing the will of God except they and their friends

           ●  they understand everything about God's ways and can't be corrected

           ●  Christianity has to be narrowed to their own idea or nothing else works

           ●  the whole 'Church' has gone wrong and they alone are standing upright

Dem plenty - but when the results come up after a while, all arguments come to an end as the display speaks for itself.[/quote]always glad to call you my dear sister. you are a blessing to the body of Christ.  

travelxpat:
@ KunleOshob
i totally agree with you.i have even reduced the number of times i go to church now.all i try to do is have my personal believe in the TRINITY .i have a lot to discuss on this issue .My father stopped attending church service from the age of 29,my grand father stopped attending church at an early age.But the distinct thing about them is that ,they lived a righteous life ,they were convinced about CHRIST and as far as i know ,they made heaven.Doctrines are been , let me use the word synthesize in this part of the world ,every church wants to be a pacesetter,so they hardly listen to the voice of the Holy spirit these days.
90 percent of the churches have motivational speakers as pastors ,so its more of attending conferences or seminars in sheraton hotel where two or three are gathered am there in there midst but how can you confirm that in the church today
I leave the rest from here.but i hope to get a better understanding if am wrong

glad to say you are so very very wrong. why must the devil have best speakers? why do you equate mediocre speaking and preaching with the christian church.  you need to go get the early christian books and where you can get the tapes and listen to them.  i have some old  AW Tozer tapes not clear by todays standard but you call these today motivational speakers.  would you call martin luther king jnr a motivational speaker?  you forget there is actually a rev. before that name.  read this

Luke 16:20-28 (King James Version)

20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24[b]And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame[/b].

25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26[b]And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.[/b]

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, [size=14pt]that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment[/size].

it is cute to be ignorant in this part of eternity especially when you have the likes of kunle and his buddys leading you.  the rich fool would have tot he got away with it. but there is God in heaven that doesnt break His word.  
i think one major disadvantage every nigerian has in life is words means nothing to us. God is not like that my brother.
He mean what He says and say what He means.  one day all  we have done on this part of eternity will be weighed and brought to jugdement.  what we see as not neccesary today may become greatly neccesary tomorrow.  it is a duty we all owe ourselves to live right by the book ( BIBLE ).  paul said we are all in  aearthen vessels but vessels filled with th epower of God to live and do right.  fellowship with the brethren is always right. go read a book how to live with saints below and see what Gods purpose for fellowship is.   fellowship is not about taking your money as most of you think.

remember that song

o what a weeping and wailing when the lost were told of their fate.  

the good life of service to God God and man is a life worth living.  forget about people upsetting you and think of what God wants from you and just get on with the business of being a good Christian first i bet you will begin to enjoy yourself more.

mactao:
I disagree when you say I have no clue what true Christianity is all about. But it's very annoying that you misinterpreted my post. If you read it at all, then you know that when I say "attending church", I mean "attending the assembling of Christians", not going to a building. I do not think Christ resides in a building.

_{And to think someone followed you blindly in your misinterpretation. Gosh, what do we use our eyes for?}

thank you.  thank you so very much.  you wonder what some people brains are for. hope akara dont continue its frying routines on the inside.

[quote author=$osisi link=topic=282213.msg4021319#msg4021319 date=1244858081]It's interesting that KunleOshob mentions TV01 another individual with a form of Christianity.
Believers should be careful about any Christian who tells you he has read the Bible thoroughly and now knows the mind of God  concerning every issue and everyone else is in error.
Or one who spends time critizing virtually everything in "his faith" and has a ready answer for all questions.
That is  the beginning of heresies and cults
Could these be the people the Bible tells us have crept into the fold ?
I am not impressed
I am not deceived.
May I never come to a point in my life where I feel like I have arrived in faith and now  know all there is to know about God and his ways.
That is the point Kunle and his best friend seem to have come to.
That, my friend,is a dangerous position to be in.
I do not envy them at all.
They may be on a quest to seek out a perfect gathering of non tithing believers meeting under a mango tree under an umbrella of love
But the moment they join it becomes imperfect because they are imperfect themselves
The Bible says that those who are led by the Spirit,are the sons of God.
Every believer should pray to be led
[size=18pt]The letter kills but the Spirit gives life.[/size]  especially loveless/lifeless letters
Let him who has an ear,hear.[/quote]you know we will gladly pay second dowry  for you. you are a blessing to my bros and the body of Christ. if most women were like you and some few good heads here men will walk on waters again.  you are always a breathe of fresh air on matters like this and i thank God for your life.

like i said in an earlier post faith is fragile. i cannot point to another post he has ever seen anything good in the church apart from TB Joshua showing how to give money away.  you wonder where TB Joshua printed the money. Pilgrim1 must have stayed with  this guy more than she stays with her family to make him see the error of his ways.  he was out to recruit his likes to his 1 man slow poison fellowship.

over and over i have told him there should be more that unites us than the issue of tithing and not tithing but he loves his 1 min ovation from the likes of huxley, tudor and co.  how a so called christian finds time for god haters i dont understand. well there will always be CINO (christians in name olnly) amongst us.

the church of God will always match on becos He that own words have spoken it. the gates and weapons of lies and discouragement will never be able to function properly against it.

davidylan:
i attend a good bible-believing church and i'm not seeking to leave it.

bros david you know i love you but my brother there is time for everything. there are loads of other programmes you can watch than what tct ius doing with richard roberts and murdoch.  you are too inteligent to be supporting the stupidity of kunle here.  you have your remote control to influence your TV not the other way round.

i can vouch for nwando, pilgrim1 and others that there will be no one of us in support of anything ungodly and even immoral allegedly done in the name or house of Christ.

there is a spirit behind of every action.  if you are sincere you will admit the activities of kunle in the last one year cannot be of God. he is on every thread any ungodly person opens to criticise the body of Christ that is of he in not opeining one himself.  i have had a word with you and gamine on this matter somewhere and it seems you guys ceased but kunle think it is his crusade to spoil the good work churches are doing in nigeria cos he is the 1 standing right. that is not true.  

some of you dont remember the darkness and idolatrous nation nigeria was in the 60's and 70's.  some of you didnt see the idol worshipping and celebrating in nigeria that God is using christianity to remove from that nations land.  i grew up  seeing killed goats, dogs, chickens, snails mixed with yams and red oils for demonic sacrifices in various junctions which thankfully i dont see now.  it is easy to see the errors and abuse in any system.

we must not throw the baby with the water out sir.  Christianity is still generally a major force for good in that land. i remember where God brought us from and i dont want to go there.

Horus:
Why so many pastors are peadophiles?.

Reverend David Waters, 61, targeted the schoolgirl after he claimed to have suffered a 'crisis of faith'. walking in dangerous waters " lost faith". why not sex drive na only faith.

sodom really dont have bible

ElRazur:
Using JJYOU's logic, I think you should be shi.tting in your pants mate.

you must be on drugs.  what is my logic.  this was my earlier comment on this

enjoy yourself. you have not sorted out the neo nazis you have in nigeria politics you are worried about 2 BNP european parliamentarians.

how does only 2 meps they will most certainly not retain come next election constitute a threat to any one in england?  you dont know how politics work in this part of the world but are quick to think thugs run freely here like they do in your village.

oyb:
http://www.spiritualitytoday.org/spir2day/863821murphy.html

excerpt

seems they had a different interpretation back in the day 

sadly it seems that something which i have said in the past has come to the fore - Christians constantly reinterpret the bible to suit the situation/times   


everyone has been 'interpreting ' verses from the bible

on Nairaland, i was told that the sword was a metahphor, a parable, though pope pius X didn't seem to think so, as he used it as a rallying cry for the crusades. tomorrow, if everyone is arguing that the bible shuns violence/soldiering , can we expect different methaphorical interprataions of the verses previously quoted

you wish christians will sit watch you kill them with your sword because you have no understanding . if you checked your songs of praise you will see a song there called " onward christian soldier" search and see its wordings.

gone are the days of the pacifists. there are just causes and wars. your likes should not be able to assault people like you did in 9/11 and not pay a heavy prize. along with your ability to do nasty things in the name of your mullahs should come heavy consequences too. mustapha should have said that in his quoran.

ElRazur:
I did not understand your first post, hence the "Say what?" post I made - Which is effectively asking you what are you saying.

You can come across as retarded sometimes. This is a thread about BNP, Britain and Nigerians living there, yet you don't want me to worry? But, I should instead worry about Nigeria's neo nazis? Erm. . . Okay.

being born of retards you should be able to identify another retard like your people from afar. i wonder why you bothered queing for visa when you knew the BNP exist in the UK. at least they had the grace not to ring the election unlike some nameless place.

enjoy the hospitality while it last.

ElRazur:
Say what?

enjoy yourself. you have not sorted out the neo nazis you have in nigeria politics you are worried about 2 BNP european parliamentarians.

how does these fotos excuse the babarick killings you guys do in the name of your mullahs?

oyb:
Why else would the scriptures liken the Christian life in so many instances to the life of a soldier?
The Bible calls us soldiers of the Lord
The Bible is called the sword of the Spirit
The Bible tells us to put on the whole armour of God.
The Bible recognises that soldering is a noble profession and wants us as ready,quick and sharp as career soldiers who must not be caught unawares.
Why on earth would the Bible use a profession that Christians are abhored from going into to compare the Christian life to?

osisi, you seem to be confusing parables and metahphors with real life

do soldiers fight with bibles? do meek soldiers win wars ? you are shifting into the absurd . do you want to claim that the marines on parris island are expected to be meek?
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how can you not physically harm people during war

offttopic, great - so what would you say about Americans turning Russians against their government during the cold war? isn't that unbilblical? turning people
to treason against their government?


The Crusades were a series of religion-driven military campaigns waged by much of Latin Christian Europe. The specific crusades to regain control of the Holy Land were fought over a period of nearly 200 years, between 1095 and 1291. Other campaigns in Spain and Eastern Europe continued into the 15th century. The Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims, although campaigns were also waged against pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians, and political enemies of the popes.[1] Crusaders took vows and were granted an indulgence for past sins.[1]


so how to explain that?

offtopic

so what tribe was Cornelius?

YOUR DEALER DEY TOWN ABI?

HOW DOES BAD VOTING SYSTEM AND MOST LABOUR VOTERS STAYED AT HOME LICENCE PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW HOW PR VOTING SYSTEM WORK TO BRING NIGERIA INTO THIS MATTER?

wbb

oyb:
you are contradicting yourself . how can i be a soldier at war and not be violent? is there a non violent way of attacking my enemy on the battlefield? is killing a man a non violent act



soldiers engage in acts of war. based on that a christain soldier going by everything you've said, christains are free to do any of the above without fear of rebuke from God.

how can you reconcile being a christan with this?  these people who did this weren't tried as  war criminals. so they were doing nothing wrong. do you think Jesus would see it that way?

WHY UNA NO DEY TIRE? SEE MOLE KILLING THEMSELVES

[size=18pt]17 die in Islamic sect–security task force clash[/size]
From TIMOTHY OLA, Maiduguri
Saturday, June 13, 2009


Seventeen persons, including traders, were shot in Maiduguri, Borno State on Thursday morning, following a clash between members of the state special security task force code named, Operation Flush, and an Islamic sect.

By mid day, palpable apprehension permeated the city, as it was feared the incident might degenerate into a religious upheaval.
Saturday Sun gathered that members of a famous Islamic sect, Mohammed Yusuf Movement, taged a funeral procession along the Customs area, apparently to bury some of their members who reportedly died in a motor accident on their way from Biu, where they had gone for an Islamic programme (Dawa) the previous night.

Sources said two commercial motorcyclists, who were stopped by soldiers and police officers attached to the joint patrol task force for violating traffic rules, had identified themselves as members of the sect on a mission to bury their deceased colleagues.

“The Operation Flush people arrested them because they rode recklessly and did not wear helmets. But these people started arguing with the soldiers and police, claiming they were going for Aikin Ibadah (God’s work). It was then their people, who were coming from behind, started shouting Allahu Akbar (Allah is great) and tried to challenge the authority of the security men. Unfortunately, the task force men thought the sect was out to foment trouble and that was how they started shooting sporadically,” an eyewitness told Saturday Sun.

It was gathered that the decision of the members of the Islamic sect to force security men to release the commercial motorcyclists compelled the Operation Flush officers to shoot, fearing possible attack. Fourteen members of the sect were shot while stray bullets reportedly hit two traders around the Customs market.

The victims of the clash, it was gathered, are critically lying ill at the accident and emergency unit of the University of Maiduguri Teaching Hospital (UMTH).

Acting Chief Medical Director of the hospital and Chairman, Medical Advisory Committee, Dr Alim Madziga, told journalists that the hospital’s emergency ward had not receive such number of accident or emergency patients, adding that they were compelled to deploy most of their medical officers to attend to the patients because of the magnitude of the victimsh and the degree of injuries.
“We receive quite a number of injured persons in the early hours of today (Thursday). A total of 17 persons were brought to the accident and emergency department and 15 were admitted while two were treated and discharged,” Alim disclosed.

He explained that 14 members of the group were critically injured from gun shot, while three got wounds from stray bullets. He gave assurance on the determination of the medical personnel to carry out their duties.

The commandant of the Operation Flush, Col Ohanatu, was not available in when our correspondent visited his office, while his deputy, John Abang, an Assistant Commissioner of Police (ACP), told Saturday Sun on phone that he could not volunteer any information as he was busy with other schedules. The Commissioner of Police, Mr Chris Dega, could not be reached. He was said to be attending security meeting at the Government House at the time of filing this report on Thursday.
However, security has been beefed up in the metropolis and public buildings to forestall possible breakdown of law and order, as members of the sect were alleged to have vowed to fight back.

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2009/june/13/newsbreak-13-06-2009-001.htm

Lagosboy:
JJYou listen i am not one that talks about compettion of religion if you follow my posts well. I dont give a shit about churches growing somewhere. What i am talking about is someone calling a faith demonic thats is my point.

It is immaturity and stupid discussion " oh my faith is better than yours" From now till eternity there will be muslims and there will be people of other faiths till the end of time so wots d fuss. You guys are just becoming annoying day by day and JJyou some of your recents posts have betrayed your maturity i must say.

The fact of islam being the worlds fastes growing faith is a known fact and not propaganda of any sort, I am relaying simple fact and none of your hate messages will remove a hair i say from islam.

you dont expect me to support u on a polygamy do you?. islam is preading accordingg to who?. so is crhistianity growing in the moslem dominatted world

jagunlabi:
[center]The Origin of Amen[/center]

      Amen is perhaps a word like no other. It is certainly used hundreds of millions of times daily to conclude prayer or supplication to omnipotent beings, and as a way to acknowledge the spiritual presence of something, or some “other” than one’s self. But from where did “amen” originate? And from what history or tradition?

Etymologically, the word’s root is Hebrew in origin, with its use spreading to eventually encompass Christianity and Islam. Amen is found in the Bible, of course, but also in the Quran and in Hinduism. Amen is a shared response to liturgical rites and a means of affirming sacred scripture. Beyond Judaism, in the fading mists of early history, the word can be traced to ancient Egypt and a particular line of pharaohs, that of the Amun or Amen –hotep lineage.

      While there is absolutely no historical proof for the patriarch Abraham, there is plenty of evidence for the existence of four rulers of the Amen –hotep line. The last of these, Amen –hotep IV is today known as the heretic king, the most ancient ruler to whom history can attribute another origin, that of monotheistic belief. Amen –hotep IV, or Akhenaten as he is known, founded his new religion at the expense of the Egyptian neteru, the many faces of the trinity Amen – Ra – Horus, all of whom were banned under his short, ten-year rule, their images defaced and their temples destroyed.

      During an indeterminate period of the Amen –hotep lineage the first Biblical character with a historically verifiable presence joined the Egyptian court. The biblical Joseph was perhaps a contemporary of Akhenaten (Amen –hotep IV) or of his forbears. The influences of monotheistic thought on this Semitic addition to the court of the Amen –hoteps could well have carried forward as an early form of proto-Judaism.

      Though religious leaders will scoff at the coincidence of the relationship of the word amen to its royal forbear, it is virtually certain that much of the Hebrew language, as well as Aramaic, was derived from earlier Egyptian. In fact, at the time of Moses, a distinct Hebrew language had only recently come into existence. Moses, the Prince of Egypt, likely spoke Egyptian which made him unintelligible to the fledgling Hebrew population. In the Bible God suggests that Aaron speak for Moses, not because he stuttered, as biased scholars would have it, but because Moses needed an interpreter to speak to his Hebrew flock.

      The very usage today of the word “amen” is an interesting conundrum. Is amen a holy affirmation, or is it simply a part of our collective memory of history’s first monotheist, the Pharaoh Akhenaten?

      Amen.

The source, http://theamenheresy.com/the-origin-of-amen.aspx

what is your point?

mobuch:
mikky angel,

i want to know if after marrying a white girl in norway and getting the green card, if i can still come home and bring my nigerian wife to norway?how possible is it?

of course you can even bring the while viggade with you and please dont forget to be nice to your white woman you may still need her in the future. i dont know why it is within you right to do things like this. how do you and your naija wife hope to be happy at someone else expense?

[quote author=Tùdor link=topic=282213.msg4017826#msg4017826 date=1244805552]Otukpo and JJYOU
I love you despite your insults. . .[/quote]tudor ihow can i insult a confused inteligent man like you? wish u have love to give