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AkinEgba: 1. Muslim Students Paralyse University Of Ibadan Over Student Preacher-PM News, Lagos

https://www.nairaland.com/411387/beware-islamic-republic-uncovered-ibadan

2. In Oyo, father allegedly kills daughter, attacks pastor, others for converting to Christianity

https://www.nairaland.com/1853269/father-allegedly-kills-daughter-converting

3. Yoruba Christians and Muslims fight in Osun over Uniform and head gear

4. Osun schools segregate based on religious affiliations

http://www.punchng.com/news/pupils-wear-religious-regalia-to-school-in-osun-sing-different-religious-songs-in-assembly/

http://www.punchng.com/news/osun-muslims-warn-can-against-opposition-to-hijab/

http://emotanafricana.com/2011/12/02/hijab-war-in-nigerias-osun-state-offshoot-of-the-growing-religious-problem-in-nigeria/



So in SW people have been attacked and killed based on their religious preferences. In Igboland specific individual Catholics and Anglicans may bicker among themselves, much like Rome and England bicker, but no one has been killed due to religion, except in revenge for killing of Igbos in the North, which is is even more ethnic than religion.

Two religions in Yorubaland
One religion but different branches

spot the difference
If igboland had as much muslims as Christians you all would be in constant battles

Have u ever heard catholic vs Anglican or any sort in SW?

We are still much more tolerant than any ethnic group you can think of

olayincar: You said u are christian, and you still have gf at age 16.. So worse
Only God knows maybe u can quote bible off_head self

Can I tell u the true » you can't serve two masters at dsame time
God N satan no
Focus On the things above..
He that hath an ear, let him hear what d spirit is saying

But wetin concern satan for here now

I support Ijebu state
Okun state should be actualized too, Okun state should be the priority

quid: Bini people own their towns and villages surrounding Benin City. No more no less.
Stop spreading baseless conjectures here.

Travel from Onicha-Ugbo through Agbor, Ibuso (igbo-uzo) to Asaba and notice that these places speak Igbo language.

Exactly what I think but then try telling that to Bini people who's greed and pride make them claim every single thing.

Maybe now you ibo know how it feels when you follow them claim Oduduwa, Lagos and Ijebu

bigfrancis21: The Yoruba Jews are at it again. Macof and PAGAN9JA let's see what you make of this.

even the op knows he was joking, let him go ask his Oba, the Awujale

Mad people everywhere
Pls go to ur village and ask ur fathers for your history and stop this silly Jew worshipping

bigfrancis21: It is very surprising why Igbo-hebraic relationship talks arouse wanton sentiments and sudden concern, masked under the spirit of so-called pan africanism, among non-Igbos, when it is clearly an Igbo-related matter supposedly left to the Igbo to decide for themselves.

Some members from the south-west area on this forum have severally linked their origins to Israel, Mecca, Arabia, Egypt and whatnot and I have observed not one non-southwest member flocking in to drop anti-supports. But when Igbo-Hebraic relations are mentioned, 'supposed' pan-africanists swoop in uninvited to render needless hullabaloos and extraneous renditions.

chulla12: This is what I tried to articulate in that other thread. I don't believe that Igbos are really Jews. I am actually Igbo myself, but you don't see me stressing over others who believe in this kinship.

What is the agenda with those who try to lord over our history so much?

chulla12: For those wondering about the difference in tribal perceptions and how they affect people's reaction to claims by certain tribal groups, refer to the below threads:

1
https://www.nairaland.com/1362494/yoruba-origin-history-canaanland-connection
How peaceful and free-flowing the above thread is . 16 pages of pure elucidation lol.

2
https://www.nairaland.com/822725/true-identity-yoruba-people/1
Only Pagan9JA protested in this one...but even he didn't expend as much energy (writing epistles) to convince others of their non-jewishness.

3
https://www.nairaland.com/706150/yoruba-canaanite-narrated-muhammad-bello
Waaaow! Look at the above link...not one word to protest the discussion or accusations of "identity issues."


4
https://www.nairaland.com/1331624/yoruba-origin-revisited
Another one? I see Pagan9JA with his one-line rebuttals. But other than that, peaceful and undisturbed.


5
https://www.nairaland.com/1092081/might-want-know-yorubas-part
See this one o! Even many of the so-called intellectuals are divvying up the pieces for critical analysis. Pagan9JA at the helm again. But I didn't see as much disdain and reproach as you would see in an Igbo-Jew thread.

This is because of the total lack of knowledge and worship for middle Eastern figures.
I have severally attacked many who try to tarnish the image of Africa more than it already is by linking us to despicable middle eastern people who's culture aren't half as old as ours.
Akan have been called Jews
Ewe have been called Jews
Yoruba have been called Jews
Ibo have been called Jews
Efik and their kin have been called Jews
but none are Jews.
As it stands, most Igbo are Bible lovers, who hold Jews in high esteem.
It's no surprise that such people who have no sense of their own history would cling on people they practically worship

No single evidence, all baseless hypothesis that sound ridiculous to the intelligent mind.
Like how a Bible character from around 3000BC is Eri who didn't enter Anambra until 1000AD

Today if u confuse the gullible it would be my people next on the agenda.

Pagan 9ja I think Goosebaba is right.
Knowledge is very important here, you can't practice what you have no idea about.

Many think Ekwensu is the Christian devil, if they can be educated well enough to appreciate the concept of Ekwensu, we can start talking about people honouring the God

chulla12: Actually this claim is more mainstream than you think.

I was taught this exact history in secondary school: Lamurudu was driven away from Mecca because he refused to accept islam. He alongside his followers journeyed to where Nigeria is, where his son, Oduduwa, took the helm in Ife.

Really?? I never had such lessons in school.
Well then again Nigerian government has no agenda for history
Lamurudu doesn't exist in Yoruba history, all I've seen on that name are silly internet articles

chulla12: That the Yorubas claim ties to Saudi Arabia
(i.e. Mecca) and other parts of the semitic
world is also not met with derision or claims
of "identity issues."

Because a drunk so called historian wrote in a book that Yoruba share ties with Mecca doesnt make it true.
this is only considered among Muslim youths who know nothing about Yoruba

amodu: Pele o lobi o lako, pelepele la n pamukuru pele.

If I have utter those statements that infuriates and bring dis-repute to your religious belief due to my own religious belief, you should have corrected me in a polite and mature manner just like the Chief Imam did with your colleagues without any rancour rather than attacking my personality abusively.

So I still stand on my demanded apology.

I am not religious, I don't have religious beliefs. I am simply Yoruba
You insulted the Yoruba with your comments

bigfrancis21: I am entitled to my beliefs, am I not? And you are entitled to yours, in the spirit of pan-africanism right? Do you have to force yours on someone else?

The ethiopian Jews and the Lemba who are black africans were discovered to be related to the Jews...I don't see you boiling up to 100 degrees celsius over that discovery in the same spirit of pan-africanism...but whenever the Igbo-Hebraic relations are mentioned, you charge up like a programmed human locomotive suddenly stung on his buttock by a ravaging bee.

The Ethiopian Jews are little clans and families that can trace their origins to a mixed of Hebrew mothers and Kushitic fathers.
Dna testing has also proven their claims
Same tests on Lemba people show they either descended from Jews/Arabs or have a common origin, Bantu tribes around them have known and always considered them "outsiders". Their culture and religious practices are identical to Middle easterns.
The name "lemba" means foreigner...
So I don't see anything particularly crazy about their claims

But Igbo, where does the Igbo culture confluence with Jewish culture to suggest genetic bonds? Language is totally different, culture, traditions even worship
Igbo identity is rooted in this Niger area
It's simply because of the high rate of Bible lovers coupled with the gross lack of knowledge in history

maclatunji: Imagiine what the comments would have been if the thread's tite had read: "Oba of Ikorodu gets Christian Burial".

The same comments here against Islamic rites on an Oba would have been directed to Christian burial rites.
Both religions have no place in Obaship system

amodu: What the both of you have just done speaks volume about you.

We are on this platform to educate ourselves and exchange opinions which will definitely differ.

Our discussion doesn't warrant abuse. I never abuse you, why do you have to?

If you can't cope with the argument why not just ignore.

I demand an apology from you both.

Did u read ur posts??
U insulted me first with these

Gone are those days; days of darkness;
when they all worship idols.
Islam have arrived
Christianity have also

the fact that they accepted reality of
belief and worship (worshiping the true
God)

This is maximum insult on me, all Yoruba pagans and our ancestors.
I wouldn't say you insult the Gods, because the same gods you insult you appease in one way or the other in ur everyday life without even knowing.

But you have tagged my ancestors as evil men worshiping false God while it is ur Arab masters like Mohammed that are good men worshiping true God right??
Why should I respect a person who is already a slave at mind and soul?

Beautiful

This is the real rich Igbo culture and people I love not the despicable jew-worshipers that paraded themselves as Igbo

amodu: I didn't see this before....

Gone are those days; days of darkness; when they all worship idols.

Islam have arrived
Christianity have also

Do the Oba rule over the traditionalist alone?
Is yoruba land now occupied by traditionalist alone?

Co-existence with other religious believers is mandatory as they are also true off-spring of Yoruba land and for the fact that they accepted reality of belief and worship (worshiping the true God) doesn't mean they should be deprived their entitlement.

because you have stupidly stated the bold I leave u to ur delusions and utter ignorance

I am tired of constantly trying to impact knowledge on senseless sons of slaves like u all around who know nothing about their ancestral spirituality, culture and traditions

Do u people not even realize that It's only Delta state people that say Oyibo??
Most far eastern igbos don't use that word

Even Urhobo and Itsekiri maybe also Ijaw use the word too

tonychristopher: as you were told and I am telling you the meaning of son is omorodion... do you have challenges in understanding . I have lived in Benin and I know the language

why are you just daft and incorrigible

And am telling u an actual Bini man says Obi means son
you must have problems comprehending simple words

amodu: His corpse was taken to a mosque because he his a muslim and religion doesn't forbids anyone from being an Oba/King.

Also he his a king of 'religious sect' (Islam, Christianity and Traditionalist). Not for traditionalist alone.

And likewise Ikorodu is not a traditional empire, is it?

If you can't dispute all that I've written above therefore, your last statement regarding punishment has no basis.

you are only a waste of time..read up my previous posts and stop trying to waste my time

Bolt3: The origin of the word is difficult to ascertain, some people believe the name is coined from the Yoruba translation of "peeled skin" or "skinless" which in Yoruba translates to "yin" - scratch "bo" - off/peel. In Igbo language demonym takes the form " onye + the place of origin" of the person, hence, and Igbo person is called " Onye Igbo". A Yoruba person is called " Onye Yoruba". A German is "onye Germany". Thus the first white people were called "onye ocha" for singular and "ndi ocha" for plural meaning "white person and white people" respectively. This was because the Igbo people of those days did not know from where the white people came. Interaction between the Igbos and the white people resulted in the white people trying to refer to the Igbos with a name similar to what the Igbos called them, but there was problem in pronouncing Igbo words due to presence of double lettered alphabets which involve nasal pronunciation,in some of the consonants such as 'ch', 'gb', 'gh', 'gw', 'kp', 'kw', 'nw', 'ny', 'sh'. These were not present in English language hence the difficulty in the white man's effort in giving the Igbos similar demonym as the Igbo people had given to him, instead a name resulting from a mutilation of Igbo words was produced "Oyi ibo' instead of " onyi igbo' meaning 'Igbo person' just as he 'the white man' was called ' onye ocha' meaning 'white person'. It was this 'oyi ibo' that the Igbos later started referring to as 'white person' in a way of mocking the white man for his inability in saying "Onye Igbo". This would later be adopted by other Southern Nigerian tribes as the standard name for the white man and coupled with dialect variance one obtains different pronunciations such as "Oyinbo' in Yoruba and other western Nigerian tribes. Also, 'Oyibo' means English Language in Igbo. In general usage it may refer to individuals with various skin complaints such as vitiligo or genetic conditions such as albinism.

Completely false but a funny story tho. Where do u people come up with these revolving around Igbo people??

Oyibo is an igbo word that has it's origins with the Yoruba "Oyinbo"

gawu1: To ascribed this mental set to muslims or northerners only is'nt it hypocrisy? It's our Nigerian mentality. I have seen a lot of forks prayed ernestly for a win for Argentines over Nigeria in the last world cup just because they were fans of Messi and Barcelona. So, it's not matter of religion or culture. Even a critical appraisal of the fork that brought this issue, one can judge from his tone that would favour any team other than from northern part winning caf cup. Take a look at our national team, despite Ahmed Musa's contribution to our winning the nation cup & qualification to last world cup a lot of voice mostly of southerners still suggested that he should be dropped from the last w/cup team during the selection. Musa scored two beautiful cum intelligence goals that later secured us second round yet no major headline in his credit from our southern dominated news media. Can you guess why?
Take a look at the massacre going on of palestines by the Israelis. I read a blog which tried to seek opinion of who should be blamed, Palestine or Israel. The muslims blamed israel, as the christians too laid blamed on the Palestine. The problems were that most analysis were not based on objectivity rather than religion affiliation & sentiment.
So we should not make it as if only the northerners or muslims are the guilty once on this. When America & west power conspired & dislodged undemocratically a democratically elected gov't in Egypt recently a lot of christians in nigeria couldn't hide their joy. What's you take on that? We are all guilty!!!

Everything you put down here still boils down to the factor of sentiments and prejudice caused by religion.
Everyone wants to support things attached to his religion

This is one troubling thing in kid society today.
So much ignorance in our traditions, culture, history and spirituality

From my brother Goosebaba from this Thread

t's an individual thing. One has to be
determined to study or understand the
concept of worship and God of their
ancestors. When one has been indoctrinated
into believing that the names of God in their
native tongue is associated with demons.
The missionaries kept what works for them. It
would have been destructive for them to
completely demonize all names. Till today,
Nigerian still use the names of their ancestral
Gods interchangeably with western names of
abrahamic gods.
When someone calls on Olodumare,
Chukwu, Oghene, Osanonbrugwe in prayer
and say through your son we pray.That tells
me they do not know the philosophies or
folklore behind those names. I always ask
when did Chukwu accept his only son for
sacrifice.
When did Ekwensu plot coup against
Chukwu. When did Esu plot coup against
Olodumare..? And they always come back
with God has many names. But they discard
the creationists beliefs behind each name.
Mental slavery is a dirty who.re..!

I blame christianity for all this evil in the minds of young Igbo men that should possess more intelligence than this

@ AlfaSeltzer you nid to see what evil Jesus has done again

megacity: The implication of this marvelous discovery is that all Igbos will go to heaven when they finish here on earth since the Bible is clear that all Jews Will be saved

Any sensible person who reads this thread particularly this post of yours can see the reason behind this Israel/Hebrew claim

1. u are a Christian, been so all ur life and all Bible bullshiit means alot to u
2. U admire the Jews to a point of worship...you can't help but wish to be like them..but hey! Why nt claim to be them?
3. You don't know your Igbo history, culture and traditions, you are a complete nuisance in matters concerning the Igbo people

In short words you are a Hebrew slave

deols: Being a Yoruba king is not equal to being a worshipper of Orisha. The Oba was a Muslim and was buried according to Islamic rites. Simples.


MAY Allah forgive his sins and grant him jannah. May the Queen live long.

May Allah bless the Kingdom and Nigeria at large.

numericalguy: You can be a good Muslim and still be an Oba.

Being a Yoruba king is simply that "BEING A YORUBA KING"
Now who is a Yoruba king?
A position tagged "Oba" another name attached to this position is "Igbakeji Orisha"
Second to the Gods, not second to Allah.

Allah has no business in Yoruba matters, he doesn't exist in our culture because we don't know him here. If a man is a Muslim he can't be the representative of the Yoruba culture and traditions.
He is a propagator of Arab principles.

A Yoruba king is the representative of the ancestors.
Our ancestors weren't muslims, they were pagans.

So if the man can't kill his belief in Arab deities he should probably go to Saudi Arabia to be Emir

We had better not have an Oba than one that brings shame upon the Obaship system

tundeism: The Rademo Ruling House actually begged the Olosugbos to respect the wish of the king to allow the Muslims pray on him and it was evident during his life time dat he was a practicing muslim if not the Imam will not pray on him. And that has not in anyway distorted the traditional rite. So stop causing confusion here

Which is why I blame the afobaje chiefs for letting this sacrilege.
They have all insulted our ancestors who established Obaship

This is a form of promoting Islam with the obaship powers being one to promote strictly Yoruba values as mandated by our forefathers.
Nothing concerns an Oba with Islam

caseless: what are u saying? What has being oba got to do with personal religion? Late ATTAH OF IGALA, Dr Aliyu Obaje, died on the throne and was buried according to islamic rite. Abi ar u saying yoruba ppl uphold that culture than igala pple? Infact, oboni that took over now is a traditionalist and shall b buried according to traditional rites. So wat's d fuse? I'm sure if he was buried according to xtain rite, u'd not hav said this.

We are Yoruba not Igala, if Igala want to sell their throne to Islam we won't.

An Oba is a person who can promote the values of the Yoruba not be a promoter of Islam...this is an Emir's job
its because of useless obas like this that Igbo people call us Fulani slaves

ibedun: I think Tinubu was right about these useless Yoruba Obas. When you think they have presided over mass sell off of our Land to strangers , they have allowed their domain to be overpopulated by strangers, they have failed to assert our authority on our land, allowed foreigners to dominate our market and commerce leaving indigenes unemployed, succumbed to the FG without a fight and knowing that we are operating a fraudulent constitution in Nigeria without protest etc etcd

True! Most of these Obas have been a shame to Obaship..
Starting from their mingling with foreign religion And absolute ignorance in the old Ifa system and general history of Yorubaland

OdenigboAroli: Why do you have to lie about this.
Obi doesnt mean first son in Bini.

Obi means son in Bini
I once met an edo man called "obiosa" it means "son of God" as I was told
So your beef is with Benin people who say they own delta-Igbo Towns and Onitsha

numericalguy: hahaha.

sorry dude, there wont be seven human heads for you to bury the late Oba with. This Oba was a Muslim and such evil and barbaric acts will not reign even after his death.

This isn't about human heads you dumbass..most rituals to bury obas have been done without human sacrifice.

This is about the pride of the Yoruba and the Obaship title, if this Obas family want to be muslims they should be striped off their royalty....oba is to paganism as emir is Islam

amodu: They aren't Afobaje Chiefs but White Cap Chiefs of Lagos representing the Oba of Lagos. These are the muslims among them as they were caught unaware. So they didn't disrespect our sacred mosque.

Why should an Obas body be taken to a mosque?? It is Oba and not Emir??
Ikorodu is no Muslim emirate where Yoruba traditions aren't regarded.
The Oba is a representative of the kingdom not Islam.
This is a direct insult to the throne and I urge the afobaje to strictly punish the late Oba by suspending his house from Obaship till further notice