₦airaland Forum

Bullshit. Herders need to arm themselves too... it's dangerous for them too.

What we're saying is: no open grazing, do ranching to reduce the conflict. However, I'm not for stripping people of the right to defend themselves, and until the government can guarantee everybody's safety - whether farmer, herder, Northerner, Southerner, it really is not fair to imprison anybody just for bearing arms.

Please note:
1. I advocate strongly that farmers have the right to bear arms, and so I must advocate strongly the same for herders.
2. The source of the conflict comes from the encroaching desertification. We need to pay attention to this, for all this is just band aid.
3. I also believe there is a "manifest destiny" among Fulani that all of West Africa, from Mali to the sea is theirs. I don't subscribe to this selfish narrative.

ubola:
Please just asking to know. Whose traditional office is higher among the two, Alafin or Ooni. I know one of them should be greater than the other.

It's still under debate, and has been the subject of some bitter arguments. In fact the prior Ooni and the present Alaafin were at loggerheads for most of the former's time alive, indicating there wasn't (and still isn't) a clear consensus. The more recent Ooni is just respecting the current Alaafin's age, but I'm sure he will try to impose himself on a younger Alaafin once the time comes. I'll boil it down thus:

Ooni is the spiritual leader of Yorubaland. Oduduwa, the first Ooni of Ife (which is the cradle of Yoruba civilization), was posthumously deified, meaning he is now considered a deity and part of the celestial pantheon. His direct descendants are thus the children of a deity and the spiritual leaders during their reigns.

Alaafin is the political leader of Yorubaland, and is a decendant of Oranmiyan the first Oba of Oyo (the political capital of the eponymous empire). Oranmiyan was a Prince of Ile-Ife, a grandson (or son?) of Oduduwa, who, after going and causing a bit of a ruckus in Ile-Ibinu (Benin), eventually left Ife to found Oyo-Ile (some say as a result of quarrels with his brother the Ooni). He eventually became the ruler of the vast Oyo empire, which included his ancestral home, Ile-Ife, and thus his descendants, being the children of the first Emperor of Yorubas, are the political leaders during their reigns.

Both Ooni and Alaafin are descendants of the same Oduduwa, who - while he lived - was the political leader, and - in his passing - went on to become the spiritual leader. In my humble opinion they are two parts of the same coin - and thus equal. Together, they are the "leader of the Yoruba people". I use the singular "leader", because each descendant is a different aspect of Oduduwa, and is not whole without the other.

Abeg, Nairaland, please clap your hands for my attempt at a succinct explanation of a very complicated issue. I used to carry first in Yoruba studies

slim75d:
na so e suppose be na, when shark enter wata other fishes they show respect.
Unlike the tribe that doesn't have a big king or even show respect for their little kings

I like this aspect of Yoruba culture: people have levels, and it's natural to respect the hierarchy.

I also like the republican aspect of Igbo culture, nobody is above the other, and it's natural to question authority in any form.

Please appreciate different cultures for there are historical reasons for their development, and each has pluses and minuses.

I'm no fan of Buhari, but sometimes PDP needs to stop commenting. If he didn't sack them, they will release statement, saying he's harboring incompetence and should sack them. Now he's sacked them, they've released statement that he's covering up.

Knowing full well that PDP too is full of poop. It's not as if all PDP states are doing well under their governors.

This is the stadium Olubadan was refused entry to?

dangoteinlaw:
Are these politicians MAD or something?

Not only mad, but roaming without signal. Out to lunch! Can you imagine

But I guess, based on body language and Lai's threats, we must all say how wonderful this government and the economic situation are.

But these people were free to insult GEJ anyhow...

Romanoff:
I pray she goes and comes back home to him safely.

Amen!!!! It's sad that 37 years later, we have to offer up prayers that a person in this Nigeria can go and come back safely.

500m for 12 jets? Fantastic.
Imagine if govt just used this money to develop the places where BokoHaram is ravaging... 3/4 the reason we have BH is poverty.

But of course, would you be surprised to hear that these 12 jets would be used to patrol the South East instead?

What would be really useful, is if these pastors can use their "visions" to see useful things. How come none of them foretold of immense hardship, insecurity, expensive food, and the halving of naira value if Buhari was elected in 2015? Of what use are their prophesying skills?

And now here's this one stating the obvious

It seems a reasonable request from the electorate, but this being Nigeria, politics is not about what you can actually do for the people. It's about how to deceive people with #500 and empty promises.

No worries. But seriously, I don't even believe I'm commenting on this story, since it's so irrelevant to my life, but I just wanted to say, let the girl be... there's no need for abuse abeg.

Islie:
"but here, if you are stealing, it is done quietly..."

The one truthful statement in this entire interview... only difference between PMB and other regimes is that the stealing is done low key, with the notable exception of Gandollar, grass cutting, and snake swallowing. When PMB leaves, you'll see all the money that was stolen under this regime.

Very creative, and a wonderful thing for the crowd.

For those complaining he didn't sell out the arena: selling tickets in this Covid era is an accomplishment in itself. Burna and other Naija artists out there are getting paid for being entertainers, but here you are not getting paid for your entertaining views

Rubbish. The US is only concerned that they planned "to export from the U.S. to Nigeria “defense articles and items identified on the United States Munitions List (USML) and the Commerce Control List (CCL) without first obtaining export licences.”"

That is all. Next time, they should apply for license, pay their fees and taxes, and they'll be OK.

Afterall, you think US doesn't know that its weapons are being sold to all these countries? Which Muslim country makes weapons? I'll wait for an answer...

zlantanfan:
The Islamic jihad that has destroyed northern nigeria now

Should we blame Christian America too

They are happy training Islamic Terrorists to destruction but when it swallows them then it's America fault

Guess who created this messy country in the first place? And who sent troops to starve people when one part wanted to go its own way? Who assassinated some of the best leaders in Africa who were seen as a threat to their continued subjugation of African economies? Who helped destabilize Northern Africa (especially Libya)? Who funded the Taliban/Muhajideen in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the 80s and 90s? Who makes all the weapons and accepts the money being used to purchase them?

The answers do not include a single Muslim country.

Jeromejnr:
One man's lack of efficenct strategy has caused chaos across nations.

The Democrats doctrine:
1. Reverse Trump policies.
2. America last
3. When it inevitably leads to worse results, blame it on Trump.

Is it also Trump that is responsible for the Southern border crisis?

Meanwhile Kamala Harris is busy talking about buying Christmas presents early.

1. Trump started the troop draw down... reversing the policy would actually mean staying.
2. It's OK, it's not everything America should be fighting.
3. Sure, that's politics... not as if Trump wasn't above blaming predecessors, and people he put into positions.


Let the Afghans fight for their country; let the rest of Europe - and Nigeria too - put their troops in Afghanistan since they're so damn worried.

Wow, he is the opposite of his name "lost hope, bad way"

I wonder what threats Buhari made to him.

https://www.nairaland.com/6719727/president-buhari-receives-hope-uzodinma

Anyway sha, when his state is overrun by open grazers he will know. Open grazing is what allows these herdsmen to stomp around peoples farms, damaging and eating crops with impunity. It's what empowered some elements to break the lock on my gate, enter my land, and have cows stomp over my blocks, and some concrete works that were curing on the ground, in the name of grazing. Why won't there be armed conflict?

These so called leaders need to realize that encroaching desertification of the North is going to make this problem worse in the next 20-30 years. Ranching is the best way because you can concentrate irrigation on a ranch to grow grass, and reduce roaming.

I can only imagine the insults they would have heaped on Jonathan if this was happening under his term.
At any rate, the North should please enjoy the change it voted for. We in South are just hoping the madness will not spread to here too.

So... what I'm hearing is that, any group that is able to get its act together can defeat the Nigerian army...

Remember, there was a deliberate effort to weaken the armed forces so they won't be able to mount coups as effectively, starting from guess who?

athaboi:
I pity villages in northern Nigeria.. they are seeing hell and there's no media to tell their story! The media only covers the coronation of olu of warri, apostle Suleiman, Bbnaija and those who are trying to revive the damaged image of Buharis administration

You want the media to cover the insecurity of the villages in the North? So that PMB and his cabal can send DSS to shut down them down? Didn't you get the memo that any criticism of PMB will ensure you get harassed, arrested, accounts frozen, home invaded, and other dictator-era tactics? Abeg, it's nobody's fault that we want to just focus on harmless entertainment to see us through to May 2023.

dblock:
Like if you go to University studying any course in Nigeria and you get an achievement between Average and Excellent. How likely are you to get a decent job in the job market.
If unemployment is so bad, why do people bother going to university?
To linger around until something comes up?
What is the unbiased, impersonal truth to unemployment in the entire country.

To be honest, good grades do not count for anything in this country anymore... only long leg. Most people are better of using that time and money to start a business, ideally manufacturing. We don't make enough, and we have too many people trading (mostly selling things made abroad, which drives their economic growth).

Trouble is any type of manufacturing is risky and takes a lot of time to become established and profitable, given the climate, but I would like to suggest our youths go into things like food packaging, dress making, shoemaking, farming. Yes, I know that farming has become quite dangerous under PMB, but for instance, Gov. Okowa in Delta is actively training and empowering youths in various agricultural and livestock endeavors.

One example of what can be done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2hoQxJJly4
start around 8:11

Well done, and I would enjoy this soup you've prepared. For me I would substitute small piece of catfish and goat, instead of the dried/stock fish or chicken. I'd leave off the onions and put tiny bits of ehu and alulisi.

Combine this with fresh pounded yam. Mwah!!!!

I still pound my own yam, cuz it's hard in this day and age to find anybody willing to pound it - it's all that powder stuff.

You know he's right...

Unfortunately, good ideas, genuine love for people, panache and style do not win elections... in Nigeria at least

Meanwhile tens of billions was spent on jet fuel and misc., venue, gifts, and security for a certain young man's wedding recently...

Our leaders are lucky we're not as violent as oyinbos... otherwise like the French elite before their Revolution - gorging on meat and wine - they would be saying "hi" to the guillotine by now.

This is great news... I just hope our leaders will let this survive.

Unfortunately:
1. Softbank's investment will halve before 2023 as PMB and Emefiele's backflipping will mean naira will reach 900 per $1. Since Opay's profits are in Naira, translating that back into dollar means less money coming out.

2. Since we don't have rule of law, expect Lai, EFCC, or DSS to direct CBN to freeze Opay's account, because you know, na Naija we dey. But they may not be successful since Opay has investments from Sequoia, IDG, and Opera.

If only we can all hang around and survive till May 2023...

Chatflick:
Islam always in the news for evil. Only God knows why he included Islam as a natural disaster on earth. Any muslim that keeps fighting for God is simply an idiot. Logically, it doesn't even sound right to fight for someone you claim is all powerful. In simple terms, Muslims are the most ignorant set of people in this world and out of 10 Muslim, 8 are potential terrorists. Argue with BBNaija

Please stop this diatribe. Reverse the clock a mere 30 years and you would see nearly 500 years of the misery Christians wrought around the world: from genocidal acts in the Americas, East Africa, India; slavery of practically all of West Africa; slavery in all of the Americas and the islands; a couple world wars and killings of millions of people, including two atomic bombs on civilians; lynching and hanging of black men in US, Jamaica, Brazil; Apartheid; deposing all kinds of rulers, from Oba of Benin to assassination of Murtala; killings in Kenya, South Africa; devastation of Vietnam and Korea, while aiding genocide of Biafrans.

Oh and before they took their madness to the world, Christians brutalized each other all over Europe; invented all kinds of madness to maim, torture and kill people who didn't believe their flavor of Christianity. I mean, tens of millions of people were killed in all kinds of conflicts, in Spain, France, UK, Italy, Germany over the course of 500 years or so.

An estimated 100 million people killed in WWI + WWII, mostly fought by "Christians" - admittedly there were many Asians involved. Muslims didn't start, instigate, arm, equip or materially fight in this war. Those who did were mostly conscripts from Europe's colonies in North Africa and Arabia.

It's only since 1990s that so-called Christians have been relatively benign. Phew, religion of peace indeed.

Gerrard59:
Tell that bullcrap to Gokada founders and those behind investbamboo, Chaka etc.

You know what, you're absolutely right. I've been really trying to stay hopeful about this country, but I tire. These businesses you mentioned here (among many others) were started in the hope that this county can actually become something. I feel for the founders and now that I think about it, I would advise anybody who can, to japa as soon as possible. Every day, we wake up to nonsense new policies.

Welp, hopefully the youths, and the young one running startups will remember all this in 2023. After voting for old cargo, please don't come and complain that old cargo does not understand new economy.

Limassol:
Do you actually belive what you just typed? If yes,then you must be high on God knows what.

Just one point to consider: how many Nigerian residents visit Dubai weekly? I say visit for tourism, not to go and hustle. How much is ticket and hotel? Whatever business they're doing in Nigeria is fetching them more money to fund their trip than OP will see from the family sponsoring him to the abroad.

I haven't added the weekly visitors to UK and other countries. How about all those guys going to buy spare parts in China monthly? Or the textiles and wigs importers? We just read an article about somebody making millions being a middle-man to rice traders. And all the real estate being built? Who's buying all those luxury cars? Not only yahoo boys or corrupt officials oh.

People will say it's Nigerians abroad spending all this money, but most Nigerians abroad can hardly come up with $500 monthly to say they want to invest. In spite of the bad rep this economy is getting, things are happening, people are investing, spending, and building.

20 years after US came in to help build things, the Afghan army remained ineffective and corrupt. If a country can't defend its territory, oh well.

And by the way, who signed the agreement that US will pull out back in 2020?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51689443

"Flashback: Trump said in April that Biden's decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan was "a wonderful and positive thing to do" but criticized the timeline and said the U.S. "should get out earlier."

And most Americans wanted the US out of foreign countries, especially Afghanistan.

Now that the Taliban have (predictably) taken back their land from an Afghan army that can't protect its own territory, people are starting to blame Biden. Where is Qatar that brokered the deal? What are the concerned neighbours of Afghanistan doing?