₦airaland Forum

"This is certainly because the Hausa-Fulanis in collaboration with the Yorubas are trying to stifle the economic progress of the Nupes."

GavelSlam:
All except the 2 etched out are free to run.

Peter Obi is actually the best candidate out of that list, the rest are media noisemakers.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/10188687_b49c6a9a3bbf4d319ba9b19138c4ebc0_jpeg_jpeg766ae90a48b667929ff9f082edef682d

What exactly has Seyi's great grandfather's achievement got to do with Seyi?

Wonderful!

Nigerian politics, never a dull moment

This idiot is back to facebook again.

Na this one be the governorship candidate?

When someone yesterday tagged the reprisal attackers who burnt a police vehicle as "criminals", a lot of mumus on this forum called out the MoD for calling them criminals; saying they were just angry people. Issorait... Even the most educated amongst us can expose their inherent foolishness when angry.

oz4real83:
It is not everytime you reveal your pains or losses to your enemies. It is wise to play "strong" to your enemies sometimes even in the face of pain, just to deceive him. Lai Mohammed has always been known to display high level of indiscretion when it matters most. I can't easily forget when he said Senegalese jollof was better than Nigerian jollof in the face of international lime-light. These people are clowns!!!

Cutting yourself to spite your face is pure stupidity. That one is angry doesnt make stupidity to be wisdom. Lai Mohd is right on this one. It is foolishness for Nigerians to go about burning mtn or shoprite outlets when 90% of these assets in Nigeria are owned by Nigerians, and when 99% of those whose jobs will be affected are Nigerians.

Black man and his love for destruction! When will the black man ever have sense?

stormborn28:
it is not stupidity ...it makes both government act

Destruction of properties under any guise is plain stupidity.

It doesn't matter whether it's in retaliation or whatever. The south african owners of businesses like shoprite, mtn multichoice etc are obviously the elite (probably even white) who are also hated by those same xenophobic south africans. Again, mtn, shoprite and co might be foreign owned businesses, but their Nigerian subsidiaries are largely owned and operated by Nigerians; also, 97% of their staff are Nigerians.

So anyone who thinks burning shoprite or vandalising mtn Nigeria facilities in Nigeria is a sensible retaliation against those riff raffs on the streets of SA, such a person is just being dumb.

lekzhortin:
Pls OP becareful of ur language.why would u use "criminal" for protesters ..

South Africans are burning Nigerian properties and attacking Nigerians in South Africa while Nigerians in Nigeria are burning Nigerian police vehicles as retaliation.

Those people the Op referred to as 'criminals' and which you prefer to be called 'protesters', I think the best name for them should be 'IDIOTS'

TriggerHappi:
Dude we need to send a message to the South Africans that Nigerians are not cowards and they don't have monopoly over violence... MTN like most South Africa companies make larger chunk of their profits from Nigeria if we hit them hard, they'll fall hard. Let us be proud of being called a Nigerian for once.

And why tag them criminals, they're patriots!

I may not know the best way Nigerians should respond to these acts of barbarism, but one thing I know for sure is that burning police vehicles, shoprite or mtn facilities in Nigeria will be a show of stupidity.

Bialegend:
My fren, your zoo should pay up. Westerners don't indulge on sentiments. You owe them and you must pay. No amount of paid/sponsored protesters with thousands of placards can stop your zoo from paying up. We are in a capitalist world. By the way, how many of the hypocrite protesters has the British police and army shot so far?

The opinion of an ipobian; no common sense expected as usual.

ChiefkeefGB4:
They should pay, see why here
https://www.nairaland.com/5394302/nigerian-politicians-us-pay-9.6

...I struggle to see the sense in the link you posted. So you think if Nigeria pays the money, it will be from the pockets of those politicians listed?

Humans can sometimes be bizarrely complicated animals. Just out of hatred for Buhari, there're full blooded Nigerians who actually want the FG to pay $9bn to the UK.

If Nigeria was a serious country with sane leaders (and followers), something very serious should have been done already about the menace of Dangote trucks.

PrecisionFx:
Stop FooOOOooling urself in broad day light. The last GDP before GEJ left office was 4.0 n the figures came-in in the month of April and he left in May.

Buhari came in and in 2 month he has already started destroying Nigeria, he refused to appoint ministers n he started restricting forex access for many businesses (this was the primary cause of the recession buhari plunged Nigeria into) and GDP fell sharply by July wen the new GDP figures came on. From there he nosedived Nigeria to a very quick recession.

If u like keep FooOOOooling urself that Nigeria was under a recession wen GEJ was president.

Buhari who came in on the 29th of May is the one who caused Q2 GDP to drop to 2.4%? .. Never seen this kind of ridiculous blame game before... Let's even assume Buhari came in April, even a blind bat can still see the progressive downward trend of the gdp rate prior to that time; I guess it was Buhari that did that too, not dwindling oil price?... Even when NOI already warned Nigerians of impending doom and started borrowing to even pay salaries as early as Feb2015 due to dwindling govt revenue, it was also Buhari that caused that right?.. You are indeed irredeemable!

And then you talk of forex restriction, why would forex not be restricted when the foreign reserves were depleting rapidly without enough forex inflow to balance it?... $10bn had already been drawn from reserves (from $38bn down to $28bn) between Nov2014 and May2015 all to stabilise the Naira but to no avail because oil prices were still dropping. Probably in your wisdom, the reserves should have been drawn down to zero and when Nigeria becomes Venezuela, you and your band of self-haters would masturbate over your enemy Buhari destroying Nigeria? Mumu!

liberalchick:
Sending a criminal to jail is not about punishment. It gives justice to the victim and pays a debt owed to society.

So, the 14 year old didn’t get justice and the rapist is free to roam the streets to rape another unsuspecting victim. Society has failed his next victim.

Any justice that doesnt feed a hungry man wouldnt seem like justice to him. I was referring specifically to the act of the father by accepting the settlement which several peolle referred to as foolish; you cant blame him if you dont really know his economic condition. I believe he did what he had to do purely for economic expediency, he would personally gain nothing if the rapist was sent to jail and nothing paid to him.

It is now left to the concerned authorities to take up the case and rid society of people like the rapist.

Seahawk:
Does it matter what the girl wants or not?

The girl is still a minor and fully under her dad's care. Sending the rapist to jail wouldnt feed the already hungry looking family; the man wasnt foolish, na hunger be the problem.

Abfinest007:
greed won't allow the foolish father to think

Would sending the rapist to jail reverse the damage already done to the little girl?.... Will sending the rapist to jail pay for medical bills or feed the poor father who already looks likes he's struggling to feed his family?... Besides whatever satisfaction a person may get from seeing their adversaries punished, how exactly does the culprit going to jail help that father whom you just called foolish?... Poverty is the problem here, not foolishness.

Except there was a way he (father) could obtain the settlement cash and still send the rapist to jail, there is absolutely nothing foolish about what the father did; hunger isnt foolishness and Oga simply didnt want to lose on all grounds. My only problem however is that they should have demanded much more than that amount.

PrecisionFx:
See this mufu, u are even shooting urself on the foot without knowing it. Ur charts points that Nigerians GDP was over 4.0% in the 1st quarter of 2015 (in March, just before GEJ handed over 2 months later).

The writeup u uploaded also states that Nigeria's GDP percentage in 1st quarter of 2015 was over 4.0.

Reread what u uploaded

1st quarter?... Who is talking of Q1?... Did GEJ handover in March 2015?... Mumu!... I definitely knew you were going to return with some mumu abi na mufu argument. Even an infant or blind Bartimeaus would have clearly seen the downward trend which I explained, but like I said before, the hardest man to wake is the one feigning sleep, the hardest to teach is the one who is deliberately refusing to learn. I know he will still return again with another mumu argument.

Buhari needs to show some mercy on his compatriots by just resigning. With the degenerating mental state of a multitude of ipob adherents, if this continues till 2023, Nigeria may just experience something similar to a zombie apocalypse; not with zombies this time but rather with mentally deranged people invading our streets.

Mental health is a real issue in Nigeria, and it always starts as a joke. Buhari himself is tired physically and mentally, he should just resign so we can have peace and not be run over by lunatics, or even herdsmen one day.

PrecisionFx:
Afonja liar, bring proof from Nigerian newspapers that Nigerian GDP was ever 2% before GEJ handed over to bubari.

Don't ever send me any useless information from any of those idiotic blogs n websites. Show me vanguard, punch n premium times.

I see you struggling to preserve your precious ignorance. I gave you a link to the E-Library of the National Bureau of Statistics which is the official repository for such statistical data and a link from TradingEconomics which is a global unbiased repository of such info but you call them blogs and prefer me to give you Vanguard and IgbereTv news? See upside down logic.. Lol... Why didnt you ask for Ikebe Super magazine too?

Okay here's a direct link again from NBS website, and a link from you darling Vanguard; extract from the NBS report even shows the decline in GDP rate prior to handover much more clearly. I know I'm torturing you with these because your type prefers ignorance just like BokoHaram!

http://nigerianstat.gov.ng/download/398
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/08/gdp-growth-declined-by-1-61-in-q2-2015-nbs/

mushystuff:
Why didn't you answer the questions asked?

Firstly, the question you refer to wasn't directed at me, and secondly, it's my prerogative to choose what I want to answer. I didn't even read the so called question cos whilst I was breezing through the comment, I came across an erroneous assertion which caught my attention, i.e. "fear of suspicion" being the reason why GEJ didn't clear off the debt before leaving office. My comment if you read it properly was specifically to correct the flaw in that assertion.

Meanwhile I'm not here to pass political blame back and forth, elections are long over. In my comment, I blamed absolutely no one for the debt mess so leave me out of your political argument.

PrecisionFx:
""gdp growth rate which had constantly dropped from highs of between 6-7% to about 2%""

Bloody Afonja liar...

Bring proof of this

Like I said before, only a person who is either genuinely ignorant of events, or one who is aware but deliberately chooses to play dumb (for the sake of politics), would claim that all was rosy at the time of handover. Recession doesn't happen in a day, it builds up! The chart below is the trend of Nigeria's GDP growth rate in the last 5 years (2014 - 2019). Nigeria is an oil dependent country and oil price has the greatest impact on economic activity.

The chart shows how the GDP rate began dropping from mid-2014 when oil prices started dropping; as at May 2015, the rate was 2.4%. Nigeria hit recession officially in 2016 (when oil price bottomed at $28) due to a combination of bad government policies and of course, the low income from oil. But I wouldn't expect one who has access to the internet but prefers to get info only from beer parlour analysis and Radio Biafra facebook page to know any of this. Handover was at Q2 2015. I'm sure even with this info, you will still return with the very same argument.

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/nigeria/real-gdp-growth
https://tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp-growth-annual
https://nigerianstat.gov.ng/elibrary

Meanwhile, only people with poorly developed brains jump into silly tribal banters when simple issues of facts and figures that can easily be verified are discussed. I believe this doesn't describe you, so I simply crossed off the foolishness from you above comment.

phineas:
So why did he sign the agreement? Where was the money supposed to come from.

I believe the sensible thing to do was to first agree to the lower settlement, then keep negotiating forever. As far as I'm concerned, it would be stupid of Nigeria to pay that money, irrespective of the indiscretion of whoever signed the original dubious contract.

freeze001:
Beyond the questionable signing of the deal which, take it or leave it, Jonathan had no influence over, you can attest to the actions the GEJ government took when he became substantive president. He reviewed it, found it unsuitable for Nigeria and sought to revoke it. It went to arbitration, a negotiated sum of $850 million was arrived at early 2015. To avoid unnecessary suspicion that he'd diverted almost $1 billion for elections, he left it for his successor even after elections were over and he conceded. Is Jonathan also supposed to take responsibility for the failure of Buhari and crew to quickly take action on these issues? Is he the one that asked Buhari not to appoint intelligent ministers in good time since he is obviously too slow to read and decipher/interpret his handover notes? Was it Jonathan that asked him to foolishly remain silent without reaching out to the company until they had to go back and get a substantive judgment against Nigeria inclusive of accrued interest?

I shake my head and laugh whenever I see this clever by half spinned up analogy being peddled about. He didnt pay to avoid suspicion indeed!

A president who had no problem or "fear of suspicion" when pulling off hundreds of millions of dollars illegally from the CBN to execute elections, is the same president whom some persons are now claiming deliberately did not pay a legally recognised judgement debt becasue of "fear of suspicion"?

GEJ deliberately did not pay that money, but not because of the above poorly fabricated political excuse. The reason GEJ did not pay was because GEJ wasn't stupid; for a country facing an imminent forex crisis, dwindled foreign reserves, progressively dropping oil prices/income and on the brink of possible recession, only a stupid leader would dole out $850million to ship outside the shores of his country at that time for a contract not even executed.

nick50:
..which recession are u talking about??.. When Jonathan handed over power to buhari was there any recession?.. are u sure u are in this country??

PrecisionFx:
""Out of the economy of a country in recession. ""

Nigeria wasn't in recession wen buhari became president, don't even go there

Just before GEJ handed over power to PMB, does anyone need any special tonic to remember that oil price had allready dropped rapidly, and was still significantly dropping?

The nation's income had dwindled so bad that FG had to borrow to pay salaries for the first time in decades,
the foreign reserve was dropping rapidly (it had dropped by up to $10bn within 6 months to a critically low value less than $30bn), Naira value was falling rapidly too, within that same period it had dropped from N160 to N220/$.

Of course, in the last 3 quarters prior to handover, the effects of the above were already clearly evident in the gdp growth rate which had constantly dropped from highs of between 6-7% to about 2% as at the time of handover. Meanwhile all of the above happened only for a drop in oil price from ~$100 to~$60; but after handover oil price progressively dropped further to even less than $30.

Only a person who is either genuinely unaware of the above events, or who is aware but deliberately chooses to feign ignorance of the above event, would claim that all was rosy at the time of handover. Recession doesnt happen in a day; people who understood how the economy works such as NOI already warned Nigerians to tighten up their belts and brace for impact as early as in December 2014. No one needs a reminder that the primary factor (oil price) which led to the above events became even much worse after handover (continued dropping from ~$60 at handover to less than $30 a few months later)

On the above topic, at a time when a major forex crisis was imminent, it would have been very stupid of any president to pay that $850million out of the country under any guise. GEJ wasnt stupid, that's why he didnt pay that money before exiting.

Does Reno 'Wendel Simlins' Omokri have any shame?... A man whose only job is to sit behind a computer daily spinning both dangerous and benign propaganda. He thrives in his trade because there is never a shirt supply of gullible and stupid people who gleefully wait for his artistic creations.

If with all the noise Buhari made about the need to fight and punish corruption, a simple vetting process could not still eliminate dirty players like this guy, do we really still have hope in Nigeria ever being clean?

Let's assume his hands were tied in the first tenure and he had to tolerate some bad actors in his team for 'political expediency', what exactly is the excuse this time for still tolerating these rogues in a second tenure where he stands to lose nothing?

DevilhimseIf:
igbos are never tribalists check history well
They're just Republicans and won't allow one man to control them anyhow
They hate anything that will draw them backwards economically hence the hatred for Buhari

I can remember that time Buhari traveled and handed over to Osinbajo the same igbos that hates Buhari so much was the one hailing Osinbajo on his little capacity in trying to reform sars then irrespective that he is part of Buhari's government

But irrespective of Peter Obi spotless financial record which no governor in the history of Nigeria has been able to keep not talk of the good governance he delivered to Anambra state
Yet with all these the yorubas still found a way to keep smearing and tarnishing his image
That's a typical tribalism

Well igbos won't stop opposing incompetence and injustice no matter who's involved.

The fact is that Buhari is a incompetent charlatan bastard and no sensible person irrespective of tribe will support him

Politics fuels most of the tribalism we see in Nigeria today and in most cases, both are mixed. Although nepotism and tribalism is deeply ingrained in the DNA of Nigerians, in a situation where the intellects and competence of a candidate stands out very clearly, a typical southerner will go for competence over tribe. I believe if during the 2019 elections APC had chosen Adesina as Buhari's running mate, both Adesina and Buhari would have been roundly rejected by 100% of the people who approved of Adesina yesterday (you will even be shocked at the dirt which people will dig up on him). Similarly, if PDP had produced a Prof Moghalu or even Peter Obi as their presidential candidate (not just mere running mates), a majority of southerners would roundly ditch tribe and go for competence.

israelmao:
Check up the edited version before you ever sent in this reply.You should know that who gave you account of Jonathan's invitation by the G-7 is a reader and I wonder why you keep sounding like a broken flute or record about your so-called "low or dead self-esteem" that should be left for the kindergarten.We were all witnesses to Trump's statement aftermath of Buhari's last visit to him and if you are sensitive enough you ought to have known things are not the way they used to be for Nigeria on the international scene ever since.

I keep repeating and louding the same low self esteem statement like a broken record because it is a truth which I want to sink in. It's only a person with low regard for himself/herself that sees it as a measure of progress when some big slave drivers gives them an invite to a meeting; a meeting which many powerful stable economies around the globe will never even get invited to and may never even attend if invited. It is the same inferiority complex that makes people like Rochas to erect billboards when they shake Trump; or measure Nigeria's progress based on Obama visting or not visiting Nigeria.

Buhari might be a shity leader, but that has nothing to do with Nigeria being invited for G7 meeting or not. Nigeria has always been a shithole country, Nigeria didnt start becoming a shithole in 2015 when PMB became president so wake up! By the way, the same Nigeria was invited for that summit in 2015 and 2017 under the same Buhari so its rather pointless that you had to cite G7 invite or non-invite as a consequence of Buhari presidency. How many times were OBJ, Yaradua or GEJ invited in total even? Nigeria was invited in 2015 and 2017 because we had ongoing arms deals with the US which needed to be smoothed out, so the summit was used as a venue. Meanwhile countires like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Niger Republic, Chad, Guinea and Haiti were invited to the last G7 summit which Nigeria and even South Africa or Egypt were not invited for; are those nations by a measure, doing better than Nigeria?