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This is just some sick humor being created by some stupid western kids. The kids on 4chan make fun of everything--nothing is too horrible for them to laugh at. They are not worth wasting a minute of your time on.

As as far as westerners 'creating' Ebola to reduce the African population, what a poor choice of a disease. It's barely killed 2500 people in 9 months. Africa has a billion people, and the continent will have grown by 20 million people in that same time frame. Meanwhile, western-backed aid agencies are handing out mosquito nets, delivering malaria drugs, giving vaccinations and all other manner of things to reduce African mortality. So for every death from Ebola, western health practices are saving many lives.

Stop the extremely silly "Ebola is a western plot" b.s. It's embarrassing.

tbaba1234: Ibn Sina was also a great revolutionary in the Islamic age and was deeply religious and rational. He actually wrote a book refuting Al-razi views. The vast majority of scholars were also very religious people. In fact, his theological views influenced many religious scholars

Also, those quotes attributed to Al razi are disputed. One thing is for sure, he did not disbelieve in God nor was he a non-muslim. He had controversial religious views.

Al biruni, also one of the greatest minds in that age was deeply religious and also refuted alrazi views.

You see, The Islamic age created intellectuals who were not only vast in the various sciences but also in the religion.

I don't dispute that there were many religious scientists of all religions. Many of the top Jewish scientists of today practice Judaism. But that doesn't mean that they have some superior truth about religion or God. And whether or not al-Razi made those statements or not, it is clear he was a freethinker who did not hold dogmatic views about religion. And as for me, I'm not atheist simply because many scientist today are atheists; I made up my own mind long ago based on my own conclusions.

Xcapist: LOL. why?

Because it would not end well. I don't mind people with a general belief in a vague god, but I could not handle someone who sees Jesus on a piece of toast.

I could marry a Christian, but they better attend a plain, boring church like the Anglican or Methodist Church, not the Fire and Brimstone Evangelical Holy Ghost Faith Healing Tabernacle with Rev. Dr. Prophet Apostle Johnny Guyman.

Since you brought me into it, I'll have my say.

I have great respect for the scientists of the Islamic golden age. Like other advanced societies, they used existing hypotheses to develop new ones, and provided a major contribution to the societies that came after. They are the link between the Greco-Roman world and the European Renaissance. (I personally commend them for discovering how to make hard liquor )

However, you must realize that living and working in a religious society does not make one religious. Al Razi, who is specifically mentioned in a post above, and who made huge contributions to the field of medicine and rational thought, was clearly a religious skeptic:

"On what ground do you deem it necessary that God should single out certain individuals [by giving them prophecy], that he should set them up above other people, that he should appoint them to be the people's guides, and make people dependent upon them?" --al-Razi

Al-Razi was also critical of at least one behavior found among some of the Muslims of his day:
"If the people of this religion are asked about the proof for the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth became thoroughly silenced and concealed."

I'm atheist, so I don't care either way about such an issue, but it seems to me that if this god is all-powerful, then he can do what he wants. He can have a son, he can allow his son to be killed, then he can send a prophet to deny all of this, and then throw all the Christians and Muslims in hell and allow only the atheists to enter heaven.

It's a pointless argument.

ProphetUdeme: as far as i sympathise with ur eternal future. Can u pls tell me the inception of ur inclination to atheisthood. Or y dnt u jst believe in Jehovah my God

No need for sympathy. There is no evidence of your god. Even if he did exist, he is so evil I could not possibly respect him or worship him.

ProphetUdeme: A fool says in his heart there is no God..

Stopped reading right there; what follows can only be foolish.

People who admit that they don't know if god exists are not likely to kill or persecute people in the name of not knowing, so at least agnostics are not dangerous in that regard.

There could be a perfectly reasonable explanation for your experience, and as an empiricist I need independent evidence for your claim.

I say good. The sooner all the believers are raptured the better off we will all be on earth.

It's hard to say what this means. Obviously, if the United States brought the absolute full force of its military, no holds barred, into Iraq and Syria, they would obliterate ISIS 100x over (which is why I don't really worry to much about ISIS getting too big--ultimately the US could take care of them). But the US isn't going to do this right now, as concerns for civilians and also the desire of Americans to avoid big wars for now would prevent this from happening.

panachuku: all i know d world was created by sumtin or sum1.

You don't know this. You just believe it.

R'amen. She boiled for your sins.

boykas: Pls read d q9.29 for ur understanding the word "fight” d0esntt mean physical bl0w or blood shed its means da `awah meaning preaching s0 u won't be like d unbelievers wen dey speak 0f their 0wn religion against u

Go and look what the tafsir Ibn Kathir says about this verse. It says that this was a command from Allah to go and attack the Roman Empire.

If you look at the hadiths you will see that the word 'jihad' is used almost exclusively to refer to war (I ask you to go and read some of them). The idea of 'greater' jihad as an internal struggle emerged only around 400 years after the death of Muhammad, and was certainly not a part of the beliefs of the early Muslims.

Secular humanist in terms of my philosophy towards life and other people; anti-theist with regard to religion. Religion must be challenged intellectually wherever possible.

Ukutsgp: u will know if there is hell when u die in ur sins.

When I die I only wish that I will die with a clear conscience. Everything else, including 'god', is irrelevant.

Ukutsgp: u ought to thank God for his mercies upon ur life. U wud hv gone expressly to hell if u had died.

Every person that your god sends to hell is just more proof that he is a failure as a creator. (But of course he and his hell do not exist)

Very few atheists would have a problem with someone praying for someone else--that is none of our business. However, in the US a public school should not have a team chaplain, which implies that one particular religion is endorsed (in this case Christianity), which government organizations may not do.

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." --Stephen Roberts

Sarassin: It is misleading to say that not a single Arab Palestinian was displaced by the creation of the State of Israel. According to United Nations figures, 726,000 Palestinians had fled or were evicted by the Israelis between 1947 and 1949. The Palestinian refugees were settled in large refugee camps in poor, overcrowded conditions in Jordan. In December 1949, the UN (in response to a British proposal) established an agency (UNRWA) to provide aid to the Palestinian refugees. It is a matter of records.

I might also add that the Israeli –Palestinian issue did not begin with the war of 1967, the fact that Israel has occupied these territories in a land grab as the spoils of war is a thorny matter, there are subsisting UN resolutions dealing with that issue that Israel simply ignores. Nobody denies Israel the right to defend itself, and they do so very well, however, we should not all subscribe to the doctrine that “might is right”. Israel should not deny the Palestinians the right to a homeland of their own.

There are, in fact, many people who believe that Israel should not even exist and should be removed from the map. If those people (such as Hamas and Iran) would demonstrate that they have changed their minds then I think Israelis would be much more accommodating to a nation called Palestine. I also favor a nation of Palestine. But Hamas makes it difficult (as well as some right-wing Israelis). There is no easy solution.

Sarassin: And why should the Palestinians accept the status quo ? You say the Israeli Govt does not deny the Palestinians the right to live in peace, perhaps you should tell that to the parents of the little children bombed in a UN school a few weeks ago, a few years ago during the lifetime of Yasser Arafat we saw pictures of Missiles landing on his pillow ! The state of Israel was carved out of Palestinian land in 1947 arbitrarily by the British and Americans displacing the indigenous peoples, today they are barely autonomous, their imports are liable to searches by Israeli Govt, even today the govt of Israel persist with building settlements on disputed land. What kind of peace are you talking about ?

Not a single Arab was displaced by the creation of Israel. They were displaced only when they tried to attack the Jewish portion of Palestine and failed. They lost the war. They lost again in 1967. When you go to war and you lose then there is a good possibility that you will lose some of your land. That unfortunately is how war works. I am no big fan of Israel, and I think they are excessive in their responses, but I do accept the right of Israel to defend itself.

Get rid of this idea that god exists and make your own future happen.

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

--Albert Einstein, letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954

Emmalot121: A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION
An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has with
GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .
Professor :You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student :Yes, sir.

Lol. Albert Einstein was Jewish, not Christian. And not religious. If you are going to make up stories at least get basic information correct.

I'm not religious and don't care either way, but it appears that this is a hoax. Do some research and see for yourself.

Ukutsgp: but in ur mind, u were praying. calling on Jesus. true or false?

Absolutely false. In fact on one of the flights I was reading the God Delusion by Richard Dawkins....

Ukutsgp: Some atheist are just pretending. Most of them will shout the blood of Jesus when in danger.

If they had a terrible dream at night, they will shout the blood of Jesus when they wake up.

If the vehicle they entered narrowly escape an accident, they will shout the blood of Jesus.
And many more.

And yet they will say God doesn't exist.
Who are they deceiving then?

Do you have any evidence of your claim? I have never shouted this or prayed when I have had accidents, or emergency plane landings (which have happened to me twice).

annyplenty: Are you asking for where do you begin to repent or what?

I mean how do I begin to act like the Antichrist?

Based on the amount of blaspheming I've done in my life, it would appear that I am actually the antichrist. Now where do I begin?

balamz: Mr weah96, if you don't believe in these religion, at least have respect for its, you don't need to fight for God. God created you so why fight for him? You called Bible a story book, haba, you don mature pass this kind talk.

I have not seen this god nor did I ask to be 'created'. I have no reason to respect any religion.