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The problem with guys like you is that you don't read wide.

1) Eritrea was an existing 'country' before being formally annexed by Ethiopia in 1962 leading to a 30 year civil war with Ethiopia. The referendum was a Politically agreed solution following series of negotions to end the armed insurection.

2) There was no Kingdom/Empire or Country known as Biafra before 1914.

If you believe the IPOB naked lie that Biafra had existed before Nigeria, then State the Capital and past Presidents/Kings or Emperors of Biafra, their currency, boundaries and treaties signed with British, Franch or German Colonial agents or other Nations.


3) Nobody failed you or your generation. You only have yourselves to blame for your shortcomings and inadequacies.

4) The questions are part of the reality check to wake you up from your utopian dreams.


5) There's nothing sacrosanct about Nigerian unity.
Unity just like love can NOT be enforced. If the people of Nigeria don't want to leave together, their LEADERS will come together to separate the country.

6) The agitations of Nnamdi Kanu and IPOB is based on preaching hatred for other Nigerians especially the Yorubas and Fulanis and it can not achieve any results.

Deebwebb:
what type of nonsense question are these go and ask Ethiopia that gave Eritrea referendum how they did it .we had Biafra before the British came. all igboid will join plus any ally that wants in and existed inside old Biafra..but i prefer pure igboid biafra,but with the number of non-Igbo's calling mazi KANU and ekpa Simeon in Facebook during live show i will reserve my thought.. Nigeria will never work out..the fulanis own nigeria and will never restructure it, they rather die than restructure, not even a south president can do it.. I think we should blame you failures since you are one of the old people that failed the new generation..anybody against Biafra is a parasite that can't stay without others...all the men that made Nigeria history were all young guys.so step aside old man and watch us write our own history too...

Okay

You are mostly one of these Indomie generation kids on Nairaland, usually surplus on emotion but deficit in logic.


All these your 'parasites' stuff is stale and doesn't reflect deep understanding of how Nations work.

ALL parts of Nigeria are blessed and have existed before Nigeria and we continue to exist after Nigeria if this country disintegrate.


REALITY CHECK;

1) Who exactly will order the conduct of the referendum?

(a) President
(b) National Assembly
(c) IPOB
(d) United Nations
(e) Donald Trump + Jews

2) Who are eligible to vote in the referendum?

(a) Any adult living in the S/East
(b) Only members of defined tribes- who is an Igbo man? Who is not an Igboman?
(c) All Peoples from willing States whereever they may be in Nigeria whether Zamfara, Lagos or Abuja.

3) On which UNAMBIGUOUS Geographic territories will the referendum be conducted?

(a) Old Eastern Region
(b) Any territory demanded by Nnamdi Kanu/IPOB
(c) Igboland
(d) The present five States in the S/East



4) What will be the options on the referendum ballots?

(a) One Nigieria

(b) Biafran

(c) A totally different Independent country

Deebwebb:
stop been a hopeless parasites,will your tribe die if you clamour for afonja republic..I wonder why you people dread staying alone no body believed eritea will become independent but look at them now...Biafra is almost here and it will shock you parasites...

Stop saying what you don't know and be displaying your ignorance.

Ogun State was named after Ogun River that runs from Oyo State through Ogun State and finally Lagos State before emptying into the Atlantic ocean through the Lagoon.


Ogun River is different from Ogun (the god of Iron/metals) which is also different from Shongo the god of thunder.

Back2Daura:
ABEG LEAVE PORT HARCOURT FOR US. GO AND CHANGE OGUN IT IS KNOWN AS THUNDER IN YORUBA.. EVEN OSOGBO NEEDS NAME CHANGE TOO.

Most likely, some modern Igbos originated from Ekpeyes and Ikwerres (even though, IPOB Igbos are from Ancient Israel) because their languages sound like ancient versions of Igbos.

DeeMain:
Exactly the same thing in Igbo.

Nyesom = Onye som = the person that follows me.

Ezebunwo = Eze bu nwa or Nwa bu eze = Child who is a king/ king who is still a child.

It is the same name Nwabueze in Igboland.

There are over 300 tribes in Nigeria, why will they hate only tribe and incidentally that tribe is the one that live all over the country?






My brother, Nigerians love Igbos!

Biafrannuke:
If you go through this thread carefully, you'll agree with me that most Nigerians suffer from an anti Igbo disorder.

How does referendum comes into this?



Bros ,if you are one of the people that still truly believe that any Biafran referendum will hold, it's better you know the truth;


Nobody is conducting any referendum!

Neither the president, the National Assembly or the Judiciary has the power to conduct any referendum.
The Nigerian people have to sit down and insert a seccession clause by a way of referendum in the Constitution as suggested by Awolowo in the constitutional conferences in the 1950s.



. . . and the UN don't creat any Country.

Princedapace:
But u cant answer question for all! It is left for them individually to decide. That is where referedum comes into play. I have met some who identify them selves as Igbos.

There's nothing like Yaribansa in Hausa language, let alone meaning 'deceitful'

Your made in Onitsha, assembled in Aba propaganda is dead on arrival!


The first written record of the word 'Yoruba' was from a 15th century book written by the Shongahi Muslim, Baba Ahmed possibly derived from 'Oyo-Oba' meaning the Oyo King,which later encompassed the people the king led.

akdjr:
He has a point, but like the popular saying that Charity begins at home. I urge FFK whom I adore his knowledge as an historian to also tell his ethnic group to change their name from being addressed as "Yoruba". Have you always thought about where the word Yoruba originate? Have you heard many misconception and misapprehension that left you baffled? But his call for change of Port Harcourt made me want to make this clear to him.

What is the meaning of Yoruba? Does it have any inclination to their language? This is a thought provoking topic that needs profound reasoning and intense research for better understanding.


Hausa-Fulani who had been in contact with the FFK ethnic group even before the rise of Oyo Empire had for some reasons chosen to call them Yoruba, or Yaribansa (bastard and deceitful )
which later metamorphose to the name "Yoruba"

The Igbos had cleansed themselves off ‘Yinmiri’, a name the Hausa-Fulani had technically given to them. The igbos have today refuted Yinmiri to be a derogatory word, however, the reverse is the case for the Yoruba.


You can as well check the meaning from Yoruba dictionary or articles written by some Yoruba professors.

All over the word, people from different tribes bear the same names at times. It just shows both tribes are related. E.g


Henri (French)= Henry (English)

Frank(French)= Frank (English)

Louis(French)= Louis (English)

Nicholas (French)= Nicholas (English)= Nicholas(Russian).







It may may be difficult to say one is a subset of the other if the subset disagree. You can NOT know a people more than themselves.

Princedapace:
Alright..

But how come you bear same names with the igbos, and speak same words? Pls I am not interested in political fights. I am only asking honest question and u can educate me.

Some ancestors no get shame walahi, lying to their descendants anyhow.

UniportAgbero:
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Your Ancestors approached which ocean? Please does Port Harcourt have any bearing with the Atlantic ocean? Keep deceiving yourself. The only areas you'd meet the Atlantic ocean in Rivers State are the ijaw areas of Bonny, Kalabari, Opobo, parts of Okrika, Bille, Andoni, Kula.

Your Ancestors lied

I can't just stop laughing mehn!

Abagworo:
Una no go hear word. What is Igweocha? Maybe white Igwe of Onitsha

There was no city known as Igweocha in 1914 when Port Harcourt was established.


If there is any written record where Igweocha was ever written down before 1920, please post it here for all to see.

Igbo people who were migrating to the city started calling it Igweocha in the late 1920s-1930s.



The NCNC Government of Eastern Region once toyed with the idea of renaming the city from Port-Harcourt to Port Azikiwe in the 1950s.

Dreadful:
This is long over due. The city should be returned to it's original name Igweocha.

Most Nigerians are very funny and don't don't seems to understand Basis Human and People's Rights.




ALL peoples have the right to bear their own names and name their towns/villages the ways they like.
These don't have to fit into preferred expectations of their neighbours or other people.

E.g Ilah(Arabic)= Ellah(Hebrew)

Bin(Arabic)= Ben( Hebrew)= son

Miriam= Mariam= Mary= Maryam

Jean-Baptiste= John the Baptist

Williams= William= Wilhem

Oliseh= Olisa=Orisa= Orisha= Deity/God

Oritsefemi= Orisafemi

Iye mi(Bini) = Iya mi (Yoruba)= My mother

Oma ukuche (Igala)= Omo ikose(Yoruba)= Apprentice.

Okwute(Igbo)= Okwuta(Igala)= Okuta (Yoruba)

Rumu(Ikwerre)= Umu(Igbo)= Oma(Igala)=Omo(Bini)=Omo(Yoruba).


#Moral of the lesson: No language is superior to another and most of these similar languages evolved from a common ancestor.

AdoIfHitlerr:
till today I still wonder how people will allow names like rumuokoro etc to stand
as in what does that mean
do they (igbo speaking rivers) have anything or any meaning to the word rumu?
I wonder why they insisted on answering that rubbish when they know the truth

Excuse me bros,

How did Hausa-Fulani force you to be dependent on their food and Agricultural produce?







In my own personal opinion, as we live together over the years, our economies became more interwoven and interdependent. For instance,

The Urhobos, Binis,Igbos, Yorubas produce palm oil and Palm kernels.

The animal feeds companies (dominated by the Yoruba people) use the Palm kernels as one of the the raw materials to produce chicken and Fish feeds.

The Igbo pepper soup Madams in Lagos buy these cat fishes from the Yoruba cat fish farmers while the foods restaurants buy the chicken.

The Hausas supply the suya and vegetable oil at such relaxation joints and also produce parts of the Maize used to brew the beer being served at such relaxation joints.

This is just one chain of the microscopic aspect of the economic activities in Nigeria...we are now more interdependent.

OreMI22:
One of the most dangerous things threatening Igbos today is the dependence on Hausa/Fulani for any type of food or meat.

Hausa/Fulani plotted this scenario to force us into mere consumers of their agricultural products without farming our own lands and raising our own livestock as we did in the past. .....and we bought it!

It's true, if you are focused you will get to the top,even if you are starting from menial jobs.

I also know so many people who are employers of Labour today but started as petty traders in 1985-1990.

Even Dangote started from petty trading close to his Uncle's Warehouse in Kano.

However, not all petty traders are Igbos.
There are millions of Nigerians from different tribes without inherited wealth who started small and became bigger in their trades.

horsepower102:
On this same nairaland, i have seen a university graduate dressed up in suit and selling groundnut on the streets because he couldn't find a job. Guess what, that groundnut selling was giving him enough money to survive.

You will be shocked how many successful Igbos that started by selling single items on the streets.

The innoson we celebrate today started with a 2x2 shop that you all make fun of.

My uncle who sent all his children to school in the UK and US started out by carrying and mixing cement.

Its only fools that make fun of people starting life with menial jobs. Those same people will years later start buying up your lands and you come back to nairaland to wail.

Excuse me sir,

1) Reno Omakri never said Igbos dominate the economy of Nigieria but said Igbo dominate the commercial sector in Nigeria which is even wrong and misleading.



2) Different people from different tribes dominate different aspects of the commercial sector.

Thanks.

horsepower102:
Reno omokiri said that Igbos dominates the economy but forgot to dominate the media.

This is 100% accurate analysis. No truer words have been said. And because of this great mistake, Igbos are paying heavily for the consequences of having others tell your story. Especially those who are our sworn enemies.

The hours upon hours the likes of pazienza and have to spend online trying to debunk decades of lies and propaganda against igbos could have been avoided if we were able to tell our own stories through our own media.

The internet is the great equalizer but it’s just the beginning. We need to establish our own media houses or we will continue to let our enemies tell our stories for us.

Overall I am glad that this generation of igbos have woken up to the great damage this has done. But we need to do more to fix this nonsense.

Look at what NBS did with the recent statistics. If we had a credible media house with strong investigative journalism, we could have easily debunked it on National television.

We igbos will continue to suffer if we don’t fix this annoying post civil war legacy.

Ekwusigom.

The same thing happened in my hometown in Osun State.


In the 1980s, separate smaller church services were usually conducted for Urhobo speakers.

Igbos and Igedes (Idoma) are apear to be replacing the Urhobo and Igbira of old.

Most Urhobos in my hometown don't even speak Urhobos language or wear Urbobos dressess anymore, they are gradually being Yorubanized no thanks for the widespread fornication of young people.


In the 1980s, young people did courtship and proper marriages involving families. Getting pregnant without marriage was a thing to be ashamed of.


Now, people just get pregnant for whosever they like and moved in to start living as husbands and wives. As a result of this, in my town now, the dividing lines between Yoruba, Urbobos, Igbira, Igbos and Igedes is appearing blurred.

Only Northerners live in isolated areas and they don't mingle with other people.

lx3as:
It's so surprising that their population reduced drastically. In Ekiti and many parts of Ondo State then, we used to have several Urhobo communities just like Ebiras; the two were the next main groups after Yorubas everywhere you went; farms, classrooms, churches, social gatherings, etc. Now Igbos have taken Urhobo's spot. Moreover, Ebiras, Tivs, Idoma groups and others keep growing in numbers.

Remo is different from Ijebu naw.


Remo was only grouped under Ijebu during colonial rule as a single unit of Administration called Ijebu Province (sometimes called Ijebu-Remo).

darfay:
Remo don't see themselves as ijebu people

What you look (especially with an already biased mind) is what you see.



Are Vanguard , The Sun and Daily Trust Newspapers and AIT controlled by the West? Are Twitter and other social media controlled by the West?
Many people in the S/West criticize Buhari on Print, electronic and Social media.


Many Northerners criticize this Government e.g Junaid Muhammed, Sen Sheu Sanni, Buba Galadima, Atiku etc


Leaders of the APC can advise the Government through private means but aren't expected to be openly criticizing their party's administration.

9japride:
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But that's the truth. I don't like pretending to be politically correct. The west control the media and they are not using to critise this government. Northerners are not even critizing this government because of religion and tribal connections. How many do you see online asking Buhari to do the right thing? We should always say things as it is.

Please let us stop these childish e-wars.

What exactly do you wish to gain from it?

timekeeper1:
We know a man, who sacrificed the lives of his people... He led them to their slaughter and guess what, He escaped with his family... He denied his people of food but fed his family...


Later he returned and was given all his military benefits. He became part of Nigeria again and he even contested for president of Nigeria.. Later he died but b4 he died, he was bedridden, bedwetting, paralyzed.

And His name is Agbariojuwku




Cc: AdaGod1

But Madam Tinubu later changed her trade into export of Agricultural produce and importation of finished manufacture European products.

She helped the British Government to implement the anti-slavery policies, setting captured slaves free in exchange for British financial compensation and reaching out to other slave dealers to accept the the 'British amnesty' offer and drop slave trading.

papiforreal:
“History Wars”

Edward Colston is gone. Robert Milligan is gone. King Leopold II is gone. Good. Now, let’s talk about how we honor the legacies of the indigenous slaveowners.

What we are witnessing here are “history wars” - the political struggles in which versions of the past - the silenced history - that have long gone largely uncontested are exposed and challenged. This is ultimately a battle of ideas, and sooner or later, we will feel the contagious and domino effect here in Nigeria. It is time to revisit the legacies of the slaveowners and those who played active roles in the Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Saharan Slave Trade.

How do we memorialized the legacies of indigenous Slaveowners?

We definitely have to revisit how we honor the legacies of slaveowners like Madam Efunroye Tinubu, the wife of Oba Adele, and one of the most brutal slave dealers that operated the Lagos-Ibadan pipeline delivering slaves for Brazilian and Portuguese export. In fact, Tinubu once boasted of drowning her slaves rather than selling them at a discount. Her statue is right there at Tinubu Square in Lagos Island. She is not alone. Efunsetan Aniwura was probably the most despicable of all the slave dealers in Southwest Nigeria. She was an extremely wicked slave dealer. This woman made it an abomination for her female slaves to get pregnant, and when they do, she openly beheaded them in cold blood at the Ibadan Town Square. How exactly is the crime of Edward Colston and Robert Milligan different from the legacies of Madam Tinubu and Efunsetan Aniwura? Why should Edward and Robert be dishonored abroad while we continue to honor Efunsetan and Madam Tinubu at home?

People still honor and revere the legacies of Oba Akintoye, Kosoko, Ologun Kutere, Akinsemoyin, Oba Ovonranwen Nogbaisi and others who were the biggest slave traders in Lagos and Benin. How exactly are they different from Edward Colston and Robert Milligan? Oshodi Tapa, Dada Antonio, Ojo Akanbi and others who were former slaves and later became big time slave merchants built generational wealth from slave trade. Today, their legacies are not only revered and whitewashed, but their children are still reaping from the generational wealth their ancestors built from slavery. These are examples from the South. In Northern Nigeria, there are too many examples but I will prefer not to mention names. Virtually all the emirates in Northern Nigeria are bastions of slavedealers with history of Emirs who serially abused young girls and religiously justified it in the name of “concubinage”. Sean Stilwell and Heidi Nast did excellent studies on the despicable enslavement and concubinage in northern emirates see “Paradoxes of Power: The Kano Mamluks and Male Royal Slavery in the Sokoto Caliphate 1804-1903” and “Concubines and Power: Five Hundred Years in a Northern Nigerian Palace”.

This is not a regional issue. From the north to the south, there are people who are complicit of the same crimes perpetrated by Edward Colston and Robert Milligan but whose legacies are still revered and honored. In fact, look at Port harcourt city. The city was named after Lewis Vernon Harcourt, the British Secretary of State, who was also a sex maniac. Lewis Harcourt was a serial child abuser and he abused both young boys and girls. Today, the hub of the oil industry in Nigeria is named after him. Some of our streets are named after colonial officers and local slave warriors with very dark histories.

The question here is, should our society continue to honor the legacies of slaveowners and those who played active roles in the Trans-Atlantic and Trans-Saharan Slave Trade? Should the society continue to name monuments, schools, and landmarks after them even though we are all aware of their dark legacies? Should we just forget and overlook? Or should we follow the Donald Duke approach and build a slave museum to document the dark histories?

Image - The cenotaph of Efunporoye Osuntinubu Olumosa at Tinubu Square Lagos Island.

From Ilesha, to Erin-Ijesha, Ipetu-Ijesha, Ikeji-Ile, Eti-Oni to Owena Ijeshaland, there are many Urhobo settlers, some of whom are 3rd generation settlers.

Many of them have even married Ijesha women and Ijesha men have also married their daughters,especially in the last 25 years when immorality seems to have become accepted in the hitherto conservative rural areas such that young people now impregnate or get pregnant for anybody regardless of Tribes.

Which town in Ijebuland is having identity crisis?

Efewestern:
Where in Okpe did you serve? some are having this identity crisis like you have in the Ijebu and Yoruba debate, majority still see themselves as Urhobos.

Wisdom is profitable to direct!

The Ijaws, Efik, Ibiobio,Ogonis or Urhobos don't make these kinds of statements because they seems to be wiser than you.

hammerpP:
The North is very straight forward, just like the Igbo man.


If we dont like u, we make it clear.


Yoruba is like a green snake under the green grass.


If Nigeria was just Igbo and Hausa even fulani, either we make it work or we fight, go our separate way by now. no long ting.

Every body in Nigeria can NOT act alike and behave alike.
The world views and cultural backgrounds of the Yorubas must not necessarily be the same with that of your people.


There is no Tinubu in Anambra, Enugu, Ebonyi or Abia States. Have these States turned to Dubai?

Are Yorubas the reasons why Poverty rate in Anambra is over 20%, there are urban decay in Abia State or are the Yorubas the problems of Ebonyi States?

Look inward, your greatest problems are NOT caused by outsiders.

hammerpP:
If the truth be known, an Igbo man can stay in Nigeria with just North.

The added wahala of SW is wat is making Nigeria unbearable and impossible.

If Buhari was from SW, will we ever see this type of protest against him? No.

Tinubu is still god in the SW till tomorrow, no matter wat. cc pazienza

These guys fail to understand certain things;

1) Actions generate reactions; when you insult some tribes/regions, the people from those tribes/regions will respond in many different ways and that response is NOT going to be positive towards you.

2) When you criticize Government and in the process and you are insulting some tribes/regions at the same time, hitherto neutral peoples from those tribes/regions you are insulting will not join you in the criticism but many of them will start opposing you in a form of Tribal/Regional solidarity.

Omoiyaa:
you people don't want to see rich or average northner

Why always using the poor among them for your propaganda? Don't you have poor people in the east? See as you captured those kids to mock a whole region

Stop deceiving yourself, these are the real Arewa boys enjoying oil money below, although many of them are into business and advanced agriculture.Instead of our youths to wake up and do something by holding our leaders accountable for our allocations,we are busy looking for any opportunity to stereotype and call the north poor and backward while northerners are busy building their empires

Mr Tribalists,
Face whatever media you have problems with or Aunty Kemi but leave Yorubas out of it.














You can NOT win this game by playing the tribal card, it will only put you in disadvantaged positions.

hammerpP:
BUT YORUBA THIRD WORLD MEDIA AND KEMI OLULOYE SAID BUHARI IS THE NEXT BEST THING SINCE SLICE BREAD AND TINUBU MUST TAKE OVER IN 2023.

HOW COME THIS, IN BUHARI HOME STATE OF KATSINA?

Honestly I don't know how people make such a conclusion.

Sammy07:
By commercial sector.

Definition of commercial sector means buying and selling / doing retail business

How does Igbos dominate ?

Similar political structures with different political offices existed in Bini and Yorubaland for hundreds of years before the British came.

proudevil:
Prior to (my words) the colonial conquest of Northern Nigeria, this was the political administration they (sic) met (by the British) in Hausaland.

1. Sarki - Emir (President).
2. Waziri - Vice President.
3. Sarkin Fada - Chief of Staff.
4. Kaura - Chief of Defence staff.
5. Al-qali - Minister of Justice.
6. Sarkin Ruwa/Wakilin Rijiya - Minister of water resources.
7. Ma'aji - Accountant General.
8. Sarkin 'Makera - Minister of Power and steal.
9. Sarkin Dogarai/ Garkuwa - Chief of Army staff.
10. Sarkin Tsafta - (Minister of Health).
11. Hakimi - Governor.
12. Mai gari - Chairman.
13. Dagaci - Councilor.
14. Majalisar Sarakuna - Senate or House of Representatives.
15. Galadima - Interior minister (cikin gida).
16. Sarkin Doka- Inspector General of The Police (IGP).
17. Wazirin Aiyuka - Minister of Works.
18. Sarkin Noma - Minister of Agriculture.
19. Jakadiya - Minister of Women affairs.
20. Sarkin Malamai - Minister or commissioner for Religious affairs.
21. Shamaki - ADC.
22. Maga Takardar - SSG (Secretary to the Government).
23. Gwadabe, Sallama, Fagaci, Baraya & Baushi - Protocols
24. Sarkin Yaki - Army Commander.
25. Sarkin Dawaki - Minister of Culture.
26. Sarkin Labarai - Minister of information
27. Mai Unguwa - Supervisory Councillor.

This is somebody's husband, father, brother, uncle and son.

Show empapthy or just keep quiet ma.

It can happen to anybody.

Janny0001:
Rip in advance. My thoughts and prayers are with your family oga governor.

Excuse me sir, which tribes dominate the sales, transportation and processing of cassava, maize, beans and Yams?

bamidelee:
You this hypocrite again, go back to village and be selling akpu

Commercial activities in Nigeria are vast and are dominated by different peoples e.g

The sales and distribution of Petroleum products across Nigeria is dominated by Northern and to some extent Yoruba business men.

The sales of Paints, nails, roofing sheets are dominated by which tribe?

The sales of plastic pipes ,tanks and other plumbing materials.

Which tribe dominate the sales and distribution of textile materials like lace, guinea or Ankara?

Which tribe dominate the sales of plastic chairs, tables, plates, cups, buckets etc?

Sammy07:
Abi now.
If he said they dominate importation.
I will agree.

But he said commercial sector, which means doing retail business.

I don't know how they dominate, if I use Ondo state as an example.