₦airaland Forum

olaric:
You are lucky sir; you are very lucky because we have a president who takes weeks to react to situations or seemingly doesn't care that much for his people. Imagine if the man at the head of our affairs as a nation was Sanni Abacha...

plaindealer:
Ambode spent 4 years in office, but he did not commission 1 housing project, even though Fashola commissioned many housing pprojects in his first term.

Ambode spent 4 years in Ofice, but he did not commission 1 waterworks, but Fashola commissioned 15 waterworks.

Ambode commissioned 5 power plants, but Ambode did not commission 1 power plant.

Fashola built 4 hospitals and 11 mother and child centers, but Ambode did not commission any hospital

Fashola built 30 skills centers, but Ambode did not build 1

Fashola built many schools, but Ambode did not build 1 single classroom.

Fashola built asphalt plant, Ambode did not build any asphalt plant.

Fashola built road pavement making factory to build roads, Ambode did not build any.

Fashola built modern markets like Tejuosho, Oyingbo, Balogun, but Ambode did not build 1.

Fashola built public buildings including the largest court in Nigeria, but Ambode did not build one.

...but Ambode bult and commissioned uncompleted motor parks.

Amudeneogu:
To be frank, Gen. Sani Abacha is one of the greatest leaders Nigeria have ever had. the records are there apart from stealing of money(which have not been proof) there are other good things has done in Nigeria to improve the lives of Nigerians.

MetaPhysical:
Really?

You guys live beyond realities of life. Wallahi!

Wars are fought for posessiveness on territorial space. Wars begin with targeted attacks.

A claimant to a space demands its continous dominance over a new class of arrivals disrupting its power and authority on the land.

Culture clash is often first signs of power disruption. Every culture has a right to self-preserve against threats of displacement by a foreing element on its soil.

It is well known in US that the govt is against polygamy. Intentional communities that practice polygamy are placed on surveillance and are soon raided and disbanded. Sometimes federal agents will forcefully arrest their leaders and lock them up then systemically rehabilitate the community members into mainstream. Leaders that resist arrest will have to settle for gun duel and firepower to settle score.

So US, land of liberty, will not think twice before it would eliminate value system that clashes with its culture.

This is common practice around the world.

Zakzakky and Shiaa are being disbanded because the mainstream muslims up there in North believe IMN cluture of Islam clashes with that stamped by their leaders as authentic.

So when certain people go to SA and clash with their culture why should we blame the people for self preservation?


What is xenophobia?
Words like xenophobia, racism are expressions to be used by the victim to seek redress against injustice. It does not give you guarantees of liberty to disrespect your host country and fail to respect what is dear and of value to them.

I have more sense in one lifetime than you can ever have even if you reicarnate and live 10 life times.

Iamgrey5:
You must be running from the truth yourself.

I just wanted to inform you that your definition of Nationalization in your previous post was wrong

The country Nationalized some assets in the petroleum industry but gave continued ownership of other assets to British, European and American firms e.g British petroleum to African petroleum done by Obasanjo after the killings of Steve biko in South Africa..

However, in in the 90s, Abacha siezed other British assets in retaliation of the government assest siezed by British government until the Brits eventually caved


Nothwithstading, depending on the terms of agreement for Nationalization, government would pay the investors compensations for their investment.

Compensation!

The P&iG case was different because of the dubious terms of agreement signed by the previous Government.

Iamgrey5:
Nationalisation is the transfer of a major branch of industry or commerce from private to state ownership or control.

Hope you understand what Nationalization is ?

A company cannot have private ownership and still claim it has been Nationalized persay.

What we have in oil company today is a form of PPP, but that can quickly Change if government wants to.

What happened in Cuba is completely different, Cuba strated Communism which meant all companies were forced to belong to state.

Only the oil company will be Nationalized here

komodapson:
I read some if your lies and it got to a point I couldn't take it. I'd to take some sleeping pills. £60k.. Wtf...what is % of over 60 million population earn this amount in UK? U claimed some of your folks numbering 20 work for JP Morgan....Even JP no fit boast of this staggering figure of his relatives 4d finance house....My bro.. Be aware heaven is real... I won't say more than that...

salford1:
Who no like that kind of retirement. Collect a 1st world passport, make lots of money in a first world country, retire in a cheap country where living on your 1st world pension is equivalent to living like a millionaire..when they catch ordinary malaria, they are on the next flight to their adopted 1st world country .
One of my older uncle just made the move from the UK to Ile-Ife.

Iamgrey5:
Bro you obviously new to this

Nigeria as Sovereign nation can decide to nationalise any company that operates within its borders for one flimsy excuse or the other.


Nigeria will claim it has nothing to do with case, but even the blind would know it has everything to do with the case.


Nationalising an oil company is always the easiest because government already has a substantial stake in the company.

The international community would do nothing, but it might affect Nigeria on the long run as other foreign investors would or might start pulling out of Nigeria for fear of suffering thesame fate.

Royal Dutch shell might be a Netherland company, but the operation at bonga has a very high level of interest of British in it.

Wickedfacts:
In addition, Abacha threatened to make french language Nigeria's second official language and the British were forced to comply.

Nbote:
My point is dat if we are beginning to get to dismantling a petrol generator to make "inexplicable" connection on it to use waste, concert waste or reduce fuel consumption den we are getting there b dat.. Becos las las it is borne out of d need to alleviate what we are used to

orunmila144:
context is key. i said 60,000 pounds is huge for UK standards. I have lived in the UK and I am familiar with the economic terrain of the whole UK as I had a job that took me all around the country. now outside of the UK ? In a place like nigeria ? 100,000k dollars a year is chicken change in many circles, so I would not go around bragging about earning 100k. that bragging right only works in the UK and USA. out here young boys cash down 500,000 k dollars for bentleys. there are teenagers in magodo that will cash down 600,000 k dollars for rolls royce. so please dont boast about your chicken change the white man gives you in yankee

adonainana:
Pakis and indians have taken over which workforce in the UK,
The taxi industry workforce or which one

adonainana:
So please can you shed more light as to why Europeans would neglect there own professionals who are even more trained in their own systems and attended the same university in the same European country in question and start looking for trained immigrants in the same field who can do the same job

I think you need to be more reasonable pls.
You cannot come no where and come to the Uk and land a £60,000 job Please i beg it is almost impossible do you how many solitary indigenes of the uk will and apply for top jobs al the time and don't get it

So you will just come from no where and they will hand you over the job with a work permit cos you are boss abi lol

adonainana:
Who will be earning at least £600 a month and won't be able to afford holidays
Who told you Nigerian middle class are not working class as well

A rare occurrence is Nigerian middle classes taking holidays people who have students at international students paying £18,000 a year fees
You that you said you were earning £60,000 when you were in the Uk pls can you afford £18,000
School fees per year

Please lets be serious abeg
Tesco cashier on holiday really

ahiboilandgas:
band 7 is over 1.2m monthly

wirinet:
Are you talking dollar millionaires or naira millionaires?

ahiboilandgas:
band 7 ,band 4 ( 5.4 m)

ahiboilandgas:
band 7 ,band 4 ( 5.4 m)

adonainana:
This is where you guys are making mistakes, a middle class class system is created in between Economies as they grow and the disposable capital grow,

You cannot travel into a country and overnight become a Middle class citizen,

Reason no matter who you are you cannot travel to the UK and expect a £60,000 year salary

Same reasons immigrants flocking Nigeria are not coming for Middle Class jobs, an economy creates the class system not people

You may joined the argument late, the argument was Middle Class Nigeria vs Middle Class uk, who is richer and better off

adonainana:
Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

ahiboilandgas:
major general earn 1.5m for life...federal perm sec 1m monthly while guys in british council band 7 earn 1.2 per month...starting salary in total is 13m

adonainana:
This is where you guys are making mistakes, a middle class class system is created in between Economies as they grow and the disposable capital grow,

You cannot travel into a country and overnight become a Middle class citizen,

Reason no matter who you are you cannot travel to the UK and expect a £60,000 year salary

Same reasons immigrants flocking Nigeria are not coming for Middle Class jobs, an economy creates the class system not people

You may joined the argument late, the argument was Middle Class Nigeria vs Middle Class uk, who is richer and better off

timesup234:
In your alice in wonderland thinking the only means to make money is through monthly salary. Millions of Nigerians into businessess make sales of over 5 million naira daily. That is why the west is a slave kingdom, most immigrants are defined by jobs and salary earning. Even the small business I started less than a year ago as a side hustle I make sales of over 100k daily. If your brain is dumb to other routes of making money meet people making it big time to teach you

adonainana:
Yes indeed, 25 years ago i saw one yoruba movie like that Owo blow, the beginning said the movie was dedicated to the "dissapering middle class " 25 years after today, God knows if that Middle Class has not even disappeared finally.

But there is always new and evolving middle class, if in confusion you can easily say any faimily who sends thier kids to abroad unis for crazy tuition fees paid for in Naira is Middle Class.

Cos these families wont be rich rich like that but they neither are they poor like that

So its a tough one really

adonainana:
Yes indeed, 25 years ago i saw one yoruba movie like that Owo blow, the beginning said the movie was dedicated to the "dissapering middle class " 25 years after today, God knows if that Middle Class has not even disappeared finally.

But there is always new and evolving middle class, if in confusion you can easily say any faimily who sends thier kids to abroad unis for crazy tuition fees paid for in Naira is Middle Class.

Cos these families wont be rich rich like that but they neither are they poor like that

So its a tough one really

wirinet:
I hope you are not related to lai Muhammed!

Your first salary was £2700 after tax, so how much was your net. You must have been earning close to £3,800 net per month. I even forgot to ask, was that weekly or monthly? Wages are paid weekly in UK.
A £500 a month (which is £125 a week) house in UK is a shitty house, or was it in some remote village outside London?
Check here for the cheapest flats for rent in London - https://jamesanderson.co.uk/news/cheapest-areas-in-london-to-rent-2018/

What of Transport, gas, water, electrics bills? Was someone else paying these for you?

And this was your first salary, so how much do you earn now?

CanadaOrBust:
It happens both ways. Why do u think some Westerners or Returnees initially praise Africa and don’t want to go back? Same initial fresh immigrant thing. Then they become like everyone else.

HBB1:
What CEO earns 3000 pounds monthly?
Maybe CEO of a shop!

I don't know what kind of friends you keep or circles you role in.

I know several people who earn more than 3000 pounds and they are no where near anything like CEO.

A friend sent me his paycheck some months back and it was 6600 pounds-- young Nigerian guy!

For the Nigerian guy earning 1.5 million... It's good money in Nigeria,yes, but he won't live in a poor area.

In Lagos, he lives on the Island, pays rent of say 2.5 million, minus electricity.

...He pays for health ( worse if you don't have health insurance) and school fees ( if he has kids), and it has to be according to 1.5million salary standard.
Hospitals on the Island, deposit for admission would be at least 250K, even if you have malaria. Then school fees would shatter your brain!

All of these are free in some parts, once you pay rent ( and it's attached bills) and food, you are good to go.

70 percent of Nigerians will slide into poverty if they have an illness like kidney failure, but people still bounce around (like say nothing dey) in the UK.

All the tax paid in the West is geared towards making their lives better.
The plan is for as many people to live comfortable lives.
I have been to British Parliament and gone to the Prime Minister's office-- nothing grand. The rug in front of Theresa May's office showed it had been used very well!

The idea is to manage resources so as many people will live well.

Mind you 1.5 million naira earner in Nigeria CANNOT gallivant up and down-- no MONTHLY Harrod's or Dubai or anything, the money no reach. In the international market, it's still Forex you will pay.

adonainana:
if ceos are not the ones earning 3,000 a month, then who else.
Do you know how much the average salary in the uk is even
its £28,000 per year sir
Only a few privileged citizens would ever earn £60,000 per year in the UK

So these artisans you talking about now, i wonder where they fit in this equation.

Come and see lawyers here with 10 years experience on £35,000 salary

Please confirm all of this with the working class friends you may have right now in the UK

Also sir, someone buying up a whole street in London is not a working class individual

He may just be weathly enough to do so, There are a lot of millionaires and billionaires on the planet from different countries, buying and selling a property is not new.

So forget what the indians and paki have been trying to tell you.

Also your last paragrapgh vindicates my point, yes the naija guy would be left with so much from his 1.5 million naira that he would be able to afford to come to London and shop in Harrods every month. Yes this happens all the time

Now can the UK equivalent guy who has just earned £3,000 go to dubai every month and spend from his salary what he is not sure would even last him till the end of the month, the answer is NO

So the Naija guy is richer than him cos he would even come to London every month, spend spend spend then go back home cos he is way way much better