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TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 11:08pm On Aug 31, 2019
CanadaOrBust:
My point is that there’s always that initial fresh immigrant thing, then u become like everyone else - responsibilities, bills, credit card debt
If my initial fresh thing can get me a house and a land within 2 years...
Then u don't expect me to condemn such a system.....
Let nigeria also provide such initial fresh thing for its people....
Right now, I'm building a career for myself and my wife...
That the focus now....
TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 10:55pm On Aug 31, 2019
CanadaOrBust:
@bolded, so what happened? The West caught up with u like everyone else. That’s the point.
I'm still in the west...
But bigger responsibility...
I've got a wife in uni now....
I'm also running a program....
My profession is such I can make money anytime I want to....
So don't lose sleep about me...
TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 10:48pm On Aug 31, 2019
truthsayer009:
You were not earning upto 3,000 pounds and you completed your house in Nigeria within 18months.

Okay.

1. How much rent do you pay in UK
2. What are your other living expenses at the end of the month.
3. How much tax were you paying
4. Do you mean 3,000 Euros Take Home (Net) or (Gross).

I hope its not Epe close to Ogun State where they sell land for 300k you bought, because after all deductions and you were still able to buy a land and build a house.

I don't believe you.
TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 10:31pm On Aug 31, 2019
adonainana:
Hmm so if Nigerian Middle Class earners dont earn up to 1.5 million, in your opinion they earn 150,000 Naira per month right
Your opinion is just funny
This is about 3,000 vs 1.5 million in nigeria earners because the original argument i was having with someone earlier on in the thread was that he said cos his freinds was on a £60,000 (£3,000) and i had to make that distinction that they although they are High earners in the UK on PAPER, in reality there are no where near the equivalent middle class earners earning such in Nigeria

It makes sense to make a comparison, because only directors, ceos in the UK can be paid £3,000 per month salary. ( Only big men in the UK earn that much ) In comparison only big men in Nigeria too make up to that much in Nigeria too per month. So why cant we compare what both will be able to afford in the end.

Everyone is on a minimum wage by law in the UK, which is roughly between £800- £1200. You can afford holidays if you want to.
U funny sha...
Only CEO earn 3000 pounds per month...
Artisans in the UK earn more than that per month in the UK.....
It's obvious u ignorant of the UK system...
U obviously mingle with working class Nigerians in uk and that explain your limited knowledge...
Talk to indians, Pakistani, and smart Nigerians....they will open your eyes....
U think say na by joke those guys are buying up a whole street in the uk...
I once told my driving instructor my salary...he's from Kashmir...
He was like, so what's the big deal about your profession....

Btw 1.5 million earners will apparently seem to have more disposable income in naija....
Simply because they spend in naira...
Let them try n spend in pounds or dollars...
Then go know how far....
TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 9:53pm On Aug 31, 2019
adonainana:
Bro im not entirely sure you know where you think Middle Class Nigerians are ( No matter how small they are ) I think we still need to respect them

1.5 million naira is not a lot of money because this is exactly what most Middle Class Nigerians earn.

1.5 million naira a month is not what Rich Nigerians earn, they earn far way more than that.

To be on a £3000 a month salary in the UK, you are termed middle class, my argument is even if the pound is worth £1 to 1 million naira.

Middle Class UK earners cannot afford and cannot be on the same level as Middle class Nigerians. Middle Class Nigerians are richer and are more comfortable than Middle Class Uk earners.

This has nothing to do with currency as a starting point, it is has to do with how much you are left with at the end of the month.

£3,000 monthly for a UK resident before he begins to deduct his life and household expenses is nothing, Trust me
1.5 million naira ( £3,000 per month for a Nigerian resident before he begins his life and household expenses is LOT LOT LOT infact way too much would be left for him

Hope you understand what i am trying to say.
I really don't know where your definition of nigerian middle class earning 1.5 million naira a month comes from....
That's the income of less than 1percent of the working population...
And that defeat the whole purpose of middle class if it constitutes just 1 percent....
This isn't about 3000 pound earners in uk v 1.5 million naira earners in naija....
This is about middle class in uk v middle class in naija....
There's just no basis for comparison...
It doesn't make sense....
Cleaners, Tesco cashiers n security guards go for holiday abroad in the UK...
So what are we talking about...
Abeg....
If u want us to discuss economic issues in uk...
We can discuss it, but comparing uk to naija based on any economic parameters is a futile effort....
TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 9:38pm On Aug 31, 2019
adonainana:
If i went to hammer, try asking any relative you have in the UK to send you 10,000 naira now ( tell them a lie that something bad happened to you ) and tell the same to a relative in nigeria that you need 10,000 naira now that something happened to you. Note down the differences between the two people you have asked money from and reflect on it.

Perhaps you are right, you can get your mortgage and owe the bank a stipulated money for the next 30 years with the amount also rises with inflation.

But here is the catch ooo, nothing must happen to you within that 30 years ooo, Infact just make sure you are dead as opposed toyou leaving your job, travelling abroad or doing anything unreasonable within the next 30 years from date you start paying back your mortgage

Bro trust me, so many people are trapped in this type of mortgage situation, only when you see it for yourself can you believe me.

Not every one is doing fraud in Nigeria either, I sincerly hope you understand where i am coming from

Also i forgot to mention the house you will be borrowing from the bank here in the UK to buy with a mortgage payable over 30 years would and can only resemble what some people use as thier BOYS QUARTER back in Nigeria.

In other words, you borrowed £300000 payable back over 30 years to live in a House that is not even up to the size of the average size of the smallest Nigerian homes. lol

But at least you will have good roads and hospitals and schools abi,
I don't know where u get this info that Nigerians in uk can't afford to send 10 thousand naira...
30 pounds....that one na money...
For your info, uk is the largest remittance source from abroad to naija....
Not USA, not Canada, not dubai... but uk....
In 2018, Nigerians in uk sent over 4 billion dollars to naija as remittance....
Does that look people that can't afford 10 thousand naira....
TravelRe: Africans Live Better Lives Than Most Americans by SIRTee15: 9:15pm On Aug 31, 2019
adonainana:
I repeat anyone in the UK on a £60,000 takes home only £3000 per month ( The tax band for earners between earning between £46,000 to £150,000 comes in between 40 %) There is no escaping it, its a matter of legislation put down in law.

The only way you can avoid paying your tax in the UK is if you illegally use someones else National Insurance No similar to the Social Security Number in the USA.

Please ask your auditors, engineers friends that would they mind telling me thier Tax code as written on thier monthly payslips, i will tell them how much they earn monthly, they will think i am a sorcerer.

I repeat the net pay ( the final money that goes into your account if you are on a £60,000 salary ) is £3000.

£3,000 is not a lot of money, infact people like that will still end up Paying bills and just dying like that.

I never said Majority of Nigerians are living better than Majority of people living in the west.

My point was in my 11 years of living in the west, i have seen Middle class UK people being unable to afford what Midlle Class Nigerians can afford

Even if we use the example of this your auditor friend you claim earns £60,000. He is a very high extremely high earner by UK standards, he is not even Middle class by UK standards. Yet all he earns after tax is just £3,000 ( 1.5 million naira per month )

How does it sound that someone classed as a High earner earns what most Middle class Nigerians make per month. Hope you have started to understand where i am coming from

More or less this your auditor friend, he has not even deducted his rent, car, petrol, etc etc from this net pay of £3,000 he has just made.

So sir do you see where i am coming from, this your £60,000 friend is actually poor if we look deep down at it constructively sir

You see this hospital this, this good road that, please just leave it to one side cos i wonder where on the planet are there not roads and hospitals
1.5 million naira per month is huge....
Thats not a middle class income...
Most state commissioners, perm. Sec n even bank branch managers don't earn that...
Thats 18 million naira a year....
Common....
If u earn that amount, u be king...
3000 pounds per month is a good salary in uk....
Very good....
In my first year in uk I wasn't even earning up to that n I was able to complete my house in naija, buy landed property undeveloped lekki area all within 18 months....
And I was living fine in uk......
Pound is very powerful, no take small eye look am....
TravelRe: EIU: Lagos Is The World’s Most Dangerous City by SIRTee15: 6:06pm On Aug 30, 2019
LegendHero:
I’m based in USA (Atlanta to be precise). Yes, I’ve been to Chicago and I have friends I’m chicago.

That is a place where you will be scared to even abuse anyone on the road coz you might get shot. It’s hard to the extent that you can’t walk freely that much coz anyone can just shoot you for shooting sake.

There is a case of one Nigerian guy that just had issue like a road rage saga and the other guy followed him to his house to shoot him dead after alighting from his car.

Go on google now and search for statistics of gun crime in Chicago and come back here to tell us your funding.

Now is the time for Nigerians to always question theses guys report about us and try to carry out some findings from reputable sources. They can’t just keep dishing lies to us and we accept because they are white men. That’s insane!
It's not about being sentimental about the white man's report....
Produce your own report with undeniable visible facts...
Then the world will take u serious...
Becos facts don't lie...
No western media can write rubbish about Chinese cities....
because we all know exactly what Chinese cities look like...

The black man is too sentimental n suffers from mental apathy...
Apart from whinning, he lacks what it takes to challenge negative narrative about him via cerebral intellectualism....

The truth is Lagos is a big disappointment....a testament to the organisational n management deficit of the black man....
Lagos is the only metropolitan city without a functioning inter city rail system....
The report may have be coated with manipulative distortion...
But nobody really cares because the stories coming out Lagos are neither special nor unique to garner any positive worldwide attention....
So, it's bound to be stereotype albeit negatively....

Chicago on the other hand has a reputation to protect....
The economy/GDP of Chicago is bigger than that of Nigeria....
It's the 4th largest financial centre in the world.....
it's economy is highly diversified....
It's central business district is awesome....
U can't pin Chicago down with a single story of crime n murder because there's so much to talk about Chicago....

Thats the whole point of these statistics that the black man is yet to get....
TravelRe: FG Reduces Visa Fees For Americans by SIRTee15:
Shekochild:
It is unfortunate that up till now blacks don't understand the consistent message white Americans are sending... The underlying message trump is trying to pass is that " Nigerians stay in your home and develop your place, we don't need Africans here". This message has a racist undertone; but up till now, poor Nigerians have not understand...
There's absolutely nothing wrong or racist in the statement....
Americans worked hard to build their country....
Africans should sit their butt in Africa, develop the place and get some dignity....
Besides immigration is a privilege that can be withdrawn anytime if it's deemed abused...
Look at what uncontrolled immigration turned London and other uk cities into....
Ilan omar may forever be a us representative despite her anti-American rhetoric, because she's from a district where virtually all the eligible voters are Somali population...
CareerRe: Massive Job Loss Looms In The Banking Sector by SIRTee15: 7:49pm On Aug 28, 2019
Mrshape:
all thanks to AI and machine learning.
It is just hiting the banking sector now in Nigeria.
If you don't know
AI
Will
(1) make doctors to be very cheap, soon a clinic that requires 200 doctors will be run by just 2 doctors,
(2) engineering it has already started affecting them, only few engineers will be need.
(3) it is interesting to know that in legal profession the juge now is an AI in some countries they determine who will go to jail and who won't,
Soon will need just few judges.

If AI is taking all our jobs which jobs will be left.

answer
Jobs that requires innovation and tender affection.
Like
(1) nurses
(2) early childhood educators.
(3) sociologist.
(4) innovators and researchers in all fields
(5) programmer
The future is AI,
learn programing everyone whether u are a programmer or not.

I laugh because soon alot of Nigeria doctors will become useless,
It is interesting to know that doctors know do diagnosis with the aid of AI.
soon their will be algorithm that will be more effective than a doc.

Don't say this is Nigeria it can't work or it will take long time before it get here.
Not as far your smart phones and computers is here with us 90% of AI algorithms can be easily implemented here.
Ordinary driverless car, dem dey sweat...
Let them first build algorithm that will ensure safe take-off and landing of plane....
Then we can talk....
Even smart phone has lacked any new innovation in the last 5 years ....
Where's the wireless charging, foldable devices, 3d virtual images or holographic images they talk about....
Even the so called voice recognition is so annoying, u still have to edit after any dictation....

As per healthcare, it's obvious u have no clue about the field...
So let's just leave it at that....
PhonesRe: NCC Approves Spectrum For 5G Trial In Nigeria by SIRTee15: 9:35am On Aug 28, 2019
Can someone pls tell me 4G penetration rate in nigeria b4 we start on 5G...
SportsRe: Raymond Ekevwo Is Africa’s Fastest Man by SIRTee15:
Ibime:
The new Bolt, Christian Coleman is about to be suspended for missing 3 drug tests. From what I'm seeing this year, 9.96 can medal. I was at Birmingham Diamond league last Sunday where 10.07 was enough for Yohann Blake to win. Previous medallists like DeGrass were running 10.13 while Africas best sprinter Akani Simbine who nearly medalled at last Olympics was posting 10.15. Times are slowing since the days of Bolt/Gatlin/Gay. I won't be surprised if 9.92-9.95 wins the next Olympics if Coleman is suspended.
Christian Coleman, Noah lyles ran 9.85 this year...
Even fellow country mate divine oduduru ran 9.86 in 2019....
Akani simbine personal best in 2019 is 9.92, he ran 9.94 in Rio and placed 5th....
I agree times are becoming slower since the post bolt era.....
But u cant use one event to judge the trend of slower times....
World championship or the Olympics is a different ball game altogether....

And dont 4get grandpa Justin gatlin who has refused to retire until he's disgraced once again...
If he's going to the olympics/world championship, he will surely get a medal.....
CelebritiesRe: Regina Askia Has A Message For Nigerians Working In America. by SIRTee15: 6:30pm On Aug 26, 2019
timesup234:
stop saying what u dont know. Places like new zealand and australia got higher wages than America. America is overhyped, they hyped themselves. America is not among the top 15 countries to live, countries like denmark, finland, norway, holland, autria, qatar etc are a trillion times better than America. Their standard of living is century ahead of America
see the countries u mentioned....
are they not western nations....
read my post- I said migration pattern remain westernward despite improved conditions in some developing countries....
Or how many Nigerians do u see celebrating visa to china or south korea....
CelebritiesRe: Regina Askia Has A Message For Nigerians Working In America. by SIRTee15: 5:40pm On Aug 26, 2019
maybachmusic:
the US is overhyped


wonder wetin people still dey find there undecided undecided

their infrastructure etc way behind the Gulf and countries like japan

lest their healthcare can make you homeless
I think this infrastructure thing is overhype....
America developed it's infrastructure over 5 decades ago while gulf n China infrastructure is recent...
The later will look new...

Besides, Africans don't relocate because of skyscraper or smooth road....
The main reason behind relocation is better wages n career opportunties as well as respect for personal freedom n basic rights...
And America beats any emerging nation when it comes to this....
Thats why trend of migration remain westernward despite Asian n gulf countries economic rise....
If u need to see modern skyscrapers or high speed rail...
Take a holiday to China or dubai...
That's all....
PoliticsRe: What Geo-political Zone In Nigeria Is The Soul Of Nigeria's Survival by SIRTee15: 7:24pm On Aug 24, 2019
The answer is south south...
That's the glue keeping this country together...
Forget what u read here....
No Yoruba man or Hausa man loves this country from heart....
It's all about getting a share of the national cake...
Tinubu himself will jump fence if oil dries up n trouble emerges...
The only exception may be people from north central...
Due to the region's multiple heterogeneity and cultural diversity...
Nigeria may be the only form of realistic identity they can call a nation....
TravelRe: Coldest States In Nigeria by SIRTee15: 5:40pm On Aug 22, 2019
czarina:
just wait, I'll find the screenshot, I just hope I haven't deleted it.

This was Dec 2017 or so. Not sure.

Modified:

Couldn't find it, I remember sharing the screenshot on my status then. You don't have to believe me though but I see no reason why I'd lie about a temperature.

Also, the week I spent time recording those, the highest I saw was 8 degrees. People have recorded lower.
Where is that...
I sure say your thermometer dey function...
Foreign AffairsTwitter Removes Nearly 1,000 Accounts Tied To China’s Campaign Against Hong Kong by SIRTee15(op): 8:54pm On Aug 19, 2019
Twitter has removed nearly 1,000 accounts and suspended thousands of others tied to a campaign by the Chinese government against protesters in Hong Kong, the company announced on Monday.

Twitter disclosed a “significant state-backed information operation” originating from within the People’s Republic of China (PRC) targeting the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong. It removed 936 accounts and suspended approximately 200,000 accounts its investigation found were illegitimate.

“Covert, manipulative behaviors have no place on our service – they violate the fundamental principles on which our company is built,” Twitter said in a statement.


The company released an archive of offending tweets and accounts, many of which accused protesters of violence and being sponsored by western governments. “We don’t want you radical people in Hong Kong,” one deleted tweet said.

The company also announced it would not accept money from any “state-controlled news media entities” in the future, including organizations such as China Daily. The new advertising rules do not apply to tax-funded state media organizations like BBC, PBS, NPR, or CBC.

Following Twitter’s publication of the campaign, Facebook said it hadremoved seven pages, three groups and five accounts belonging to a small network that originated in China and focused on Hong Kong.

“We’re constantly working to detect and stop this type of activity because we don’t want our services to be used to manipulate people,” Facebook said.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/aug/19/twitter-china-hong-kong-accounts

PoliticsRe: Ban On Foreign Trip: Ihedioha Excluded, IPOB Pencils Down 4 Governors For Attack by SIRTee15: 12:12pm On Aug 19, 2019
nwakibie3:
is this not madness that the same afonjas that told us to hold our SE leaders accountable for the marginalization of the region are still the same people crying more the bereaved when we do as they advised us?

if this is not madness pls tell me what it is.
I'm Yoruba and I actually support what IPOB did...
Though I feel ikeweremadu may have been a soft target...
All the same kudos...

I'm very disappointed in ordinary Nigerians condemning this bold move by IPOB...
The only Nigerians who should criticise the attack should be the politicians...
In anticipation of their own dose of humiliation when they step foot overseas...
Except of course, Nigerians are happy with the terrible state of the nation or are suffering from Oedipus complex....

To Nigerians in diaspora...
Let's make abroad hot as hell for our evil politicians...
These people don't have our best interest at heart, so why should we care about them....
Why make them dignitaries in events overseas, while they turn our dear country into a shit hole....
These idiots will never honour an invitation for Gambia or somalia...
It must be developed western nations....

Gabon and Cameroon led the way by beaten up their politicians in France...
Biafra has taken the baton...
The rest of us should follow n express our anger against this useless idiots...
Let's learn from the people of honk kong who at the moment are standing against dictatorship n authoritarian rule...
This is not about Nnamdi kanu, sowore or IPOB...
This is about our future and that of our children....
PoliticsRe: El-zakzaky: Real Reason Shiites Leader Was Repatriated From India – Buhari Govt by SIRTee15:
If his plan all along was to seek asylum, why did he choose india...
Most emerging/developing countries do not have strong independent democratic institution that respects fundamental human right or personal freedom...
He should have chosen Germany or uk....
I can assure U, he will never return....
His asylum will be granted, because he's a political prisoner....
TV/MoviesRe: Sky News Reports On Khafi Having Sex In BBNaija House by SIRTee15: 3:29pm On Aug 13, 2019
VULCAN:
On Nairaland there is just 1 business owner for every 500 students, unemployed and disgruntled employees.

That's why most don't see anything wrong with abandoning your job for over 90days without permission.

Nor do they see anything wrong with a woman who has been commended in the past as being a role model for minorities in the British police force having sex on national TV.

While she is only thinking of her puss.y, Sky is and Sun news are focusing on the possible repercussions to her career and reputation.

She is not Kim Kardashian so I don't expect her to win fame and fortune from her poor choices in BBN unless she wins the money.

Sex is good but a woman who cannot control that urge for a short period is a suspect.

If Meghan had had live sex on national TV, do you think Harry could have married her? Queen no go gree no matter how he for beg.
Meghan acted intimate scenes in movies o...
HealthRe: Lady Accuses Hospitals Of Turning C-section To A Profit Making Venture by SIRTee15: 2:27pm On Aug 10, 2019
Nigerians n poo of ignorance...
Semi illiterates everywhere....
What will doctors in govt hospitals gain from unnecessary CS...
As if CS doesn't have it's own risk...
The money u pay goes into govt coffers, not the doctor..

All over the world, risk taking with deliveries is discouraged...
The target is safe delivery of mother n child...
the rule is to aim for the most convenient mode of delivery......
And that includes CS....

If u not happy with that...
U can visit traditional birth attendant...
Very simple...
It's like Nigerians aren't satisfied with the number of pregnant women TBA has wasted in the past....
They are happy to offer them more....

The most annoying thing is, Nigerians will be the first to start insulting doctors if pregnant women start dropping dead in hospitals...
Bunch of ingrates...
BusinessRe: The Shipyard That Built The Titanic Is Heading For Bankruptcy by SIRTee15: 1:21am On Aug 07, 2019
futurism:
Asia has been so, it is not just shifting bros but has shifted... The west is living on past glory. I had to attack some Americans on my feed today for talking about "human rights" against China.
The West productivity is dwindling...
The present generation's work ethic and discipline isn't as strong as their ancestors.....
What's even making it more difficult is lack of natural resources in the west....
Technology gap btw western nations and the rest is bridging, wage gap isn't....
Therefore it's much cheaper and convenient to manufacture in Asia...
The West needs to come up with a new manufacturing business model that's indepedent of mass production or labour wages since they've lost out on those 2 already....
They can look into developing industrial robotics, manufacturing automation, 3D printing and new materials....
Or else, 50 years down the line....
The whole of Europe and other western nations will resemble a struggling developing nation with a wide gap btw the rich and the poor, and little or non existent middle class....
I visited Winnipeg last week and I could notice the seemingly crack....
AgricultureRe: The Fastest Way To Kill 51 Catfish. Nigerians Call Man A Murderer (Photos) by SIRTee15: 5:30am On Jul 28, 2019
odigbosky:
Hypocrites everywhere and when they were small, they use to chase Christmas chicken, catch it, hold the two legs for their mother while she slits the poor chicken's throat. After that they then remove it's feathers and watch how their mother dissect the once lively chicken and butches it into meat.

Shay the fish is meant to be killed in a modern way abi
That's how we breed weak kids who end up killing themselves over irrelevant issues of life.
Your last statement really got me thinking...
Our generation grew up during the most brutal austerity measure instituted by any nigerian govt...
The late 80s n 90s....
Wages was poor, unemployment was high, travelling out wasn't this common, the economy was in permanent recession....
I remember I trekked from school to my hostel for a semester, just so I can afford to buy myself a pair of jeans n trekkers...
Yet suicide was very uncommon, we saw it as a white man's problem...
We find ways of getting by the constant daily struggle n it's cyclical challenges...
Nowadays, when I read what pushed people into suicide....
I really wonder if we've not tried too hard to copy the western lifestyle faster than we can cope, without fully understanding the process nor considering it's unpalatable consequences...
EducationRe: BETA: UNN Ranks Number One University In Nigeria, 17 In Africa by SIRTee15: 5:09pm On Jul 26, 2019
See as people wan take porn n sports betting finish nairaland...
Can't seun do something about it...
He should get good programmers to sort out this problem...
PoliticsRe: Lagos Bus Services Limited Introduces Obalende-Oshodi-Obalende Route - Live Pics by SIRTee15: 2:16pm On Jul 26, 2019
NgeneUkwenu:
Go back to your state ipob yoot.
Seriously, are u actually lauretta onochie...
PoliticsRe: Who Sold Nigeria To The British For £865k In 1899? by SIRTee15: 2:10pm On Jul 26, 2019
Coitus:
Pounds i guess.
Wetin jaja or nembe wan take pound do...
This was pre colonial era...
I've been wondering about this for a while now....
Was it cowries or trade by barter....
I've searched the net, no convincing answer...
Any history student can help...
PoliticsRe: Lagos Bus Services Limited Introduces Obalende-Oshodi-Obalende Route - Live Pics by SIRTee15: 2:06pm On Jul 26, 2019
Why can't they just focus on getting the Lagos rail transit done rather than all this window dressing....
Sanwoolu should beg tinubu to reduce his looting so as to free funds for this project...
That's what Lagos need, not more buses on the road....

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