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Very sad. Rip.

Covid 19 tests needed urgently there. All contacts including both hotels.

Thank God the virus didn't cruelly take her down like Ebola did Dr Stella.

Nigeria is sadly where the best lose their lives and corrupt goons continue flexing.

And Thailand has many poor people o. For the Middle East at least their people are doing OK.

nyzeo:
I am 33 and I come from a state from the south south. I met a girl in Lagos 4 years ago who is from the south east and we have been very good friends ever since then.

I have developed very strong affection for her over time and we started dating. We really love each other now and we have have finalized plans to get married anytime between this year and early next year.

The issues now is that my parents are insisting I marry from my state, somebody who speaks the same language. It has caused me to have issues with my mother because she is the orchestra of all this tribal bigotry.

Please lala and house memeber make una advice me abeg. I have found someone who truly complements my life I really sincerely love this lady. Thanks

Dude, South South has many tribes. Just mention your tribe because the issue according to you is about tribe, not geo-political zone.

That way people may be able to relate to your mum or not relate.

Let's be honest, inter-tribal marriage is VERY challenging. You must both be committed. A marriage "made" in heaven between tow lovely professionals lasted about 10 years. It just ended abruptly earlier this year. The lady's sister (a divorcee) convinced her to leave her marriage with three kids. She still cannot explain to anybody the reason. Her parents are looking ayanyan. Apparently in her tribe, leaving a marriage anyhow is no biggie. Previously his family supported the marriage irrespective of tribal difference. Now I guess his family would be very skeptical about other cultures they do not know well. I know several other failed examples. Of course success stories also abound.

The decision is yours. LOVE is not always enough when push comes to shove. Love is mostly audio these days. If you are ready to humbly bear the consequences should things go south, you can ignore the opinion of anybody else.

If you both live in another city that is neither yours or her area of origin or diaspora, it might be easier.
If you want to go ahead and marry her, be extremely sure about the relationship.

Good luck.

Graysons:
Which state in the south south are you from?

I wonder. South South has many tribes. He should just mention his tribe because the issue according to him is about tribe, not geo-political zone.

illicit:
well you haven't met me and I haven't told you that linguistics which I studied for four good years is not about languages. linguistics is about languages and will remain so for ever and ever. Amen.

A polyglot is someone speaking many languages, linguists have no such primary interest, Linguistics is simply the study of languages and nothing more.

there is a wide difference between studying languages and learning languages.
Linguistics is the same everywhere.

I can tell you that.

Nothing to tell me about linguistics. I grew up in a federal university environment. I have seen linguists across several countries. I just told you the usual excuse of Nigerian ones that you never hear from others. A widespread excuse.

SpecialAdviser:
I will never forget how some educated i.d.i.o.ts attacked Atiku the day he said he will privatise NNPC if elected.

They used failure on power privatisation to justify their attack. I was wondering why they failed to see the gain in the open market in the Telecom industry. Surely education is not GOLDEN.

Those people are under a spell. But gradually hunger and poverty is curing their blindness and weakening their spell.

They refused to see that unlike electricity that has transmission issues, Nigeria has quite an extensive pipeline system to transport refined petroleum products. We can even use trains and usual trucks to transport pms and others.

We have a track record of refining oil in the past better than ever having stable electricity unless when NEPA was still ECN back then.

Tribal manoeuvring for future presidency pushed those in control of the media to condemn Atiku.

I trust a businessman far better to run an economy that needs very rapid growth to reduce the massive poverty. Than a man with apparently 150 gay and lesbian cattle that never increase in number.

illicit:
A linguist is a linguist. institution doesn't matter here, we read the same books and the methods are the same. FYI from UNILORIN.
Language is the best source of history FYI.
You are talking about Napoleon and original languages, can you tell me the first language spoken on Earth? I may tell you about Nimrod and how languages began and spread .

Take it or leave it, Benin kingdom is later than Ife or Oyo kingdom, the evidences are plethora.

Read my old posts about what I said about linguistics and philology as I was growing up. So you do not think I am just making up now.
I know you guys also claim Lamudi or is it Lamudu as your ancestor.

I know inferiority makes some Africans import themselves from the Middle East even after science has shown that mankind came out of Africa.
My mention of original languages is that you can never get the true original context in an original language as in a translated work. anyone who reads widely in various languages would know that.
Linguistics is not same everywhere. Only in Nigeria have I seen linguistics students who did it because that was all they were offered after Jamb. No interest whatsoever in Language in any way.

It's the only place where I have seen many linguists who made no effort to be proficient in a second foreign language. They are always quick to say linguistics is not about languages. Just an excuse of course.

illicit:
Yes. Am here
No carbon dating can prove what he is saying.
Archaeological remains in Ife are older than that of Benin.
As a linguist I know that the yorubas used the word oba and Ogboni first before the benins too....

He wants to rewrite history ni.

Better do hydrogen dating. Then do Uranium dating.
Carbon dating will not be enough. A linguist educated where? Ife, Ibadan, Lagos or where?

I read up to 5 books to get a balance view of Napoleon Bonaparte. All in original languages. It took the American and Swiss authors to give the most balanced narrative. The British and French authors were either writing about a hero or a villain.
Lol.

TAO11:
Who do we believe among these Bini versions:

Ogiso Igodo from Egypt

or

Ogiso Igodo from Ife

or Ogiso Igodo from the sky to Benin City round about.

Even you yourself are embarrased to add your own version.


Mind you, while all these conflicting versions about your Ogiso are authoritative, the accounts of Israel, Egypt, Mecca are not found originally in Yoruba traditions.

They are either classical Hausa views or modern blog writings. Nothing indigenous or scholarly.

Same can't be said of your Ogiso.

Your problem is you copy and paste anything you see. Like I mentioned elsewhere before, I grew up in a house with a rich library. Books and journal articles were written in my presence. For you anything written is impressive.

Not me who saw history being written and can discern.

You will probably learn that with time. Experience is the best teacher.

Well, Muslim scholars wrote your history and gave you Yoruba/Yoruba name. My part of SW is Ado-Akure.

Not Islamic baptismal name. To tell them Alakubar to correct your history.

gregyboy:
Yes the itsekiri and the Europeans knew why they addressed the benin as angry people and called it a land of blood

Every yoruba we came in contact we defeated them even the village empire called oyo

Yes, action is what they called anger. No time to bark, brag, raise dust and then be doing suwegbe or pick race when action time comes.

I remember one day one Asaba guy (a fellow Bendelite as we were then) saw okpor JuJu belonging to a Yoruba boy inside his trainers in the morning. It was after a house party and everyone slept off later.

When the Asaba guy voiced his displeasure over how the okpor got into his shoe. The Yoruba boys there surrounded the Asaba guy to hush him up and intimidate him. Oh boy, we Bendel guys got them scampering for safety. 4 of us against 10 or eleven of them.

Chai, I laugh tire that day. I used to consider those guys "brothers" until I saw their tribalism at work. Carrying tribalism all the way to diaspora. Carrying JuJu tied with red cloth, threads and pins to a house party. Smh.

They were later saying these Anini people nor dey joke o.

TAO11:
You mean to go to Benin City, the very town where Ogiso Igodo landed when he first set-off from the sky unaided without any parachute??

Hahahaha. Again, the history of the elders from which the first ogiso emerged is out there. Ashanti have said the golden stool didn't come from the sky yet outsiders still claim so.

King Bling Frederick and Ooni in their writings about Oduduwa still do not match. Olugbo even claims seniority to Ooni.
Your people here still claim chain from the hill, sky, Egypt, Israel.

gregyboy:
Lol, my last comment pain you
Post the pictures of your kpekus

Since you wont stop quoting i can be doing this with you.....

Smelly kpekus

A young lady wont be on this forum arguing on benin-ife is either you are what they call evening newspaper or you're one retarded male posing as a female

Of course he's a cross dresser posing as a female. I used to think she's an intersex she-male. Even intersex learn good manners.

But by her replies, he is a very frustrated soul. You know those people who feel relevant when they can cause offence.

Feeling offended by their rants gives them satisfaction. Just ignore her.

What has become obvious is that sophisticated people do not have to make a song out of it. Manners show it.

You know in Edo culture bragging is not the norm. Saying I will beat, no try me o or such shakara.

Instead before you know it your head is rolling on the ground or if you are lucky slaps will have landed you on the floor.

It's about action. But these people shout, swear and make plenty of noise but very fearful and no action.

We keep complaining about their uncouth manners because it's strange to Edo people. But normal to them.

TAO11:
If I sama you slap wuth your lying tongue!

No be only older than Ife.

Where is the archaeological dating result?

You think every sane person buts into your nonsensical king list of Ogiso and pre-Ogiso jokes??

Bring archaeological results like that of Paul Ozanne or Robin Horton that have variously adduced archaeological evidence dating many settlements in the Ife bowl to at least 500BC.

Not your feel-good imaginations with which you Binis compensate desperately for your inferiority complex.

Nonsense and Oba Ovoranmwen.

Agbaya, is that all the insults in your repertoire? You need to go to Ibadan or Ile-Ife (home of flying saucer from middle East Oduduwa) and learn more foul manmerd manners.

By sophisticated people's vulgar standards, that very lame.

Ndidi is becoming a rock. Osimhen lifts the team.

With the right mentoring Chukwueze will be better than the first two.

Ndidi is just maturing into his role in last 2 years.

In the next 12 months if Osimhen remains consistent or even marginally improves, he will be our best.

Ndidi ahead for now. The other two in very hot pursuit.

Normal in 9ja.

Looking nice.

illicit:
a sec sch govt student knows that ogboni is as old as Oyo empire even older because you have it in Ile Ife. How old is Benin kingdom

Older than Ife. The second dynasty began in about 1170. This is the point Yoruba are claiming Oramiyan/Ododuwa founded the second dynasty. But critically looking at it, Oduduwa seems like a legendary mythical figure like King Arthur of England & Merlin, Saint George slaying the dragon, Romulus & Remus breast-fed by a wolf founding ancient Rome about 2,700 years ago, etc.

The first Benin dynasty lasted longer than the current one. Since at least 355 BC. There were other previous rulers though maybe not a powerful single ruler but an elders' council. Their leader was still a quasi king/chieftain. At least 2,500 years old in all as an organised entity led by a central figure. Probably longer even.

Well, the benefits of one Nigeria.

They have been doing this all along. We just didn't notice because no lockdown. They are already in every nook and cranny, forests and streets in the South. They own the presidency and those eyeing Aso Rock will kowtow to the North and allow mass movement Southwards to please Northern masters.

Las lass na everybody go suffer am.

OROSUNBOLB:
Bini ? Lol ! Who recognises any Bini in the scheme of things ? Please face front ! I even thought I was having a discourse with a better Nigerian. Bini ko,Edo ni ! Which useless war camp was set up by your idiot grandfathers ? Akiolu can claim to be a descendant of uthman Dan fodio that does not change the fact that Lagos is a Yoruba city. Kiss the truth or hug any nearby electric transformer.

Ah, just another agbero claiming Lagos Yoruba, sophisticated, educated, cultured, accommodating, omoluabi, claimig to know more than Lagos royal family, etc etc.

Possibly very a very remote village in State of Osun.
It must be painful to see others not roll in the mud with you.

It seems you guys have an M.A. in Bad Mannerology. Sophistication at its peak.

Thank God you said Benin is not relevant in the scheme of things. Certainly not in a country that is the capital of poverty. That's how great you guys relevant have made Nigeria.

Of late, you guys are now the ones waking your ancestors up with a slide tackle. Only such a wayward person can insult ancestors of other people.

Omoluabi indeed.

OROSUNBOLB:
Was the Oba of Lagos not a Yoruba man when It was being administered separately ? Are you saying Lagos is not native Yoruba land ? It can only be extreme inferiority complex that makes most of you think this way.

Inferior to a place under Benin up to Kosoko time when colonial goons came?

We are quite happy to have organised Lagos and give it an astute and stable monarchy with the wise chiefs like Obanikoro, Eletu Odibo and others that followed the first Eleko from Benin.

Same with Warri and other monarchs who are comfortable admitting their Benin origin.

Why would people immediately think of inferiority when historical truth is mentioned? Instead I think it's inferiority that typifies bullies that make you guys immediately hurl insults at people. Clearly people with the worst manners I have seen. And I have been around places quite a bit. It rubbishes whatever education you people claim.

So if tomorrow my children or grandchildren are doing well, should I deny them? Nope. Only a very evil father would do that.
By the way watch it on YouTube where Oba Akiolu acknowledges Oba Ewuare as his father.

By virtue of occupying the common ancestral throne. That does not signify inferiority or superiority in modern times. It shows historical awareness.

Basic123:
Ignorance!

Well prove me wrong.
I just told you what you didn't know or tribally decided to deny.

mrvitalis:
Lagos was built by Nigeria ...all major project was carried out by the federal government 3rd mainland bridge to the airport to the seaport

Yoruba claiming Lagos is like north claiming Abuja

If yorubas was hospitable as they want us to believe ...none yorubas would full ibadan ,abiokuta and other yoruba cities but that's not the case


Lagos is Nigerian project and that's a fact

In fact Okotie-Eboh brought Berger & Bilfinger to Nigeria.
Lagos was shaped by people across Nigeria. And slave returnees. Benin even gave the place it's name: Eko (camp) being a war camp of Benin Empire.

Lagos is a melting pot. Very unique. It wasn't even part of Western Region in the 1960s. It was on its own.

Today we call it SW. It shows how Nigeria gradually veered into extreme tribalism since the civil war.

enemyofprogress:
as if UK is in another planet that didn't know what happened during that period

You have no idea how wicked visa officers can be. People who have visited many times are still refused on flimsy grounds. It's the visa officer's descretion. You know how many such cases I have seen?

Lockdown did not come suddenly. There were indications we were heading to it. What efforts did you make to return? What evidence from your high commission have you trying to return.

Indeed from excuses given for refusal, they could easily have been on another planet at times. That's how seemingly irrational they can be.

Just overstay and see going forward.

enemyofprogress:
as if UK is in another planet that didn't know what happened during that period

You have no idea how wicked visa officers can be. People who have visited many times are still refused on flimsy grounds. It's the visa officer's descretion. You know how many such cases I have seen?

Lockdown did not come suddenly. There were indications we were heading to it. What efforts did you make to return? What evidence from your high commission have you trying to return.

Just overstay and see going forward.

xreal:
Why will they leave the UK for Nigeria?

Don't tell me " because of COVID".

They are probably not UK residents. Because UK nationals residents (whether oyinbo or 9ja British) are the ones the flight that brought this lot flew back to UK.

These people returning are probably visitors to UK. Overstaying your tourist or visitor's visa won't be a good thing. Covid-19 or not.

If you overstay, in the future if applying for a visa you may be asked to prove that you made reasonable effort to return to 9ja during the lockdown.

Sheer ignorance.

Fuelled by decades of poor governance and mistrust of authorities.

Had we organised the country over the years, it would be much easier to trace people. With bank or ATM transactions and other services they cannot do without would make it easy.

edo3:
If i were the president,, i would send a stern warning to all these PTF members that if at the end all the covid figures are false,, they should just say bye to the planet earth.. A lot of those PTF guys are multi millionaire now because of covid..

But be aware that even the best, tried and tested tests can ocassionally show false positive or false negative.

Hence tests for Covid-19 that is very new have to be ideally repeated. But where resources are few, repeat test may not be carried out on those negative especially.

gregyboy:
No she is just fooling herself as well as you too

A fellow yoruba who aint bigoted had pointed out truth from myth
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

Of course the Yoruba had to try uniting after the destructive wars between the peoples now called Yoruba (Yoruba as given by Islamic people). Before that they were Awori, Owo, Ekiti, Egba, Oyo, Ife, Ondo, etc. Aside Oyo towards in the late 1600s, non had any considerable reach. That was long after Benin Empire was blossoming from 1440s.

However, Crowther being British-educated saw how all over the place their histories were. Unlike Benin well-documented by the Portuguese, Dutch, French and the British already.

The one they now parrot as Organe or is it organic matter ( ) is even purported to have been told the Europeans by Benin people. Others say Organe or whatever his name was in Kogi or is it in even Niger State. Despite Crowther's effort and lifted by Johnson some 50 years later, the stories are still very watery. It seems if Benin had said there was some place or someone called Bacteria or Parasite , they'd be parroting same right now.

You mentioned Oba Eweka II erroneously buying into Ododuwa/Oranmiyan myth (if I am not mistaken), try to remember a few things.

He was an Oba under immense pressure from various directions. From powerful chiefs in Benin, Benin people, former territories sucking up to the British to break free and curry favour AND from the British who never liked the reach of Benin Empire, a stumbling block to their divide and rule tactics and imperial ambitions in Niger Area. At least since 1840s in Lagos, the British seriously had in in for Benin Empire. By first taking Lagos.

By 1914, Eweka II had to give up Benin territorial rights just to get the monarch restored. It took a lot of struggle and petitions to Westminster/Privy Councer in London. That the monarchy remained in Eweka I dynasty is due to the uniqueness of Benin people and monarchy. Anywhere else in Nigeria, the British would have got a stooge prince to become Oba between 1897 and 1914 when Oba Ovonramwen joined the ancestors.

The British physically stooped tribute bearers from Akure to Eweka II coronation in Benin. With a stern warning never to bring any tributes ever again.

Over 100 years is more than enough to twist history in favour of the beneficiaries of British rule.

Then Benin was forced into Western due to population politics and convenience for the British.

What Benin has achieved in maintaining our history and culture despite both local envious entities and machinations by the British is unparalleled. It shows just how old, deep-rooted and extremely well-established our culture and monarch are.

gregyboy:
I came across a lady then while in the uni
She was an igbo lady brought up in benin she argued the benin history with me that benins came from yorubas i was so pained in my bones hearing it from an igbo lady who even lived and was brought up inbenin i gave her ekaladeran book to read after reading she was like wow, she has all aling been fooledshe onced spent most of her years in lagos were she learnt all this before her parents came to Benin

Only if i could go back in time and collect that book and rather explain to her all of it was a myth


I have spent some good number of my life arguing this Oduduwa myth and i have not one day questioned it untill this year.......
As times goes by i will fully understand entailing the myth and there will be a need to write on them

And sadly many Benin people born and bred in SW have been so equally brainwashed like the Igbo lady.

You still see many Igbo lumping Benin with Yoruba. Not realising that in doing so, they are psychologically empowering their biggest rivals in 9ja politics: the Yorubas. The Yorubas are the most likely Igbo deny their fair share in Nigeria than any other tribe. The largely "Christlem" Yorubas prefer taking orders from the caliphate than be equal with Igbo.

Their lumping Ijaw/Jonathan with Igbo also fuel hate for Jonathan. As Jonathan won't be their boi-boi.
They preferred a senile coup plotter from the North.

Look back to 1960, when have Igbo and Yoruba successfully collaborated with Igbo at the national level? Never. The mistrust has been there and getting worse.

gregyboy:
Samuk
Valirex
Ghostwon
AreaFada2
Sarah20A

You all should help me tell her to keep her smelly abusive tongue to herself

She is so pianed when i speak

She seem unable to resist my comment here

It's quite astonishing how a supposed woman can easily show bad manners in public.

We made it clear here long ago that we can all agree to disagree but everyone one has the right to passionately put their views across. Hopefully everyone will learn a thing or two.

Why they would be using uncouth language is probably due to intolerance. A situation that in the past in South West relatives suffered immense physical persecution, immense loss of property and assets, even being deposed, for.

The pain is that thought twisting Benin history would be a doddle. They forget that the silence of Benin people wasn't due to ignorance but the belief that detractors are wasting their time. That is still true but now we have new generations of people who get their information from social media. Unlike a generation ago. To not correct erroneous assertions of detractors would be a mistake now.
A Benin girl born and bred in Lagos once said with confidence online that Benin people come from Yoruba.

She called herself a proud Benin girl but knew nothing about her clan. Based in questions I asked her about her morning greeting.

In the end she admitted that Yoruba people always told her that Benin people come from Yoruba. She has never read any book by a Benin historian or any historian on Benin.
She had no idea about Benin reign in Lagos or Eastern Yorubaaland.

In her mind being called part of Yoruba as a Benin person made her feel accepted by Yorubas in a Yoruba cultural environment. But she could not see the implications of that "acceptance" as a Greek gift.

That even some of our people not anchored to their roots can be fed with distorted history makes it imperative to speak up.