₦airaland Forum

Nbote:
And if dey had insisted on not giving it back nko? Will u go and beat dem? Isnt it more insulting that 1 man stole dis country dry and 20yrs afta his death we are still discovering more? And it is even more insulting wen U realise dat d current President once said Abacha neva stole...

I blame US for releasing the money. If US confiscated that money more Nigerians would benefit from it. At least Nigerian diaspora in US would benefit.

Mr Sagay it's MOST insulting to Nigerians and indeed humanity for those who served under Abacha and said Abacha never stole to be receiving the loot back from US.

Rip

bikerboy1:
Who told you they are not endangered
How many buffaloes have you seen all your life, in real life actually

Those dudes deserve to be arrested.

Why take the life of that innocent beautiful creature in the name of hunting.

What is wrong with people

A very rare animal these days. Beautiful animal. Very soon none will be left.

DanseMacabre:
I wonder why in the world people kill harmless creatures.

Harmless?
Aside Mamba, inland Taipan, hardly any other snake is more venomous.
People mistake it for python or constrictor. Can be a fatal error.

rationalhuman:
One add on and one Error in your statement,
Igbos are real victims in Nigeria, They are the productive ones and still you see fulani sympathizers in power discriminating against Igbos.

Error: Alexander never entered in India, Yes it reached to indias border and had a last fight with one of the small kingdom at Indian border, outcome of this war is highly disputed as some said that Alexander lost and wounded and died on the way during retreat.
Some Historians said that after watching capabilities of one small Indian kingdom his army was on path of Mutiny (They were terrified with 250 war elephants mounted archers sending hail of arrows).

But one thing all are agree Alexanders couldn't enter India at that time. (As he came to know a 10 times bigger army with 50000 war elephants was waiting to decimate everything).

Really? Igbo the victims? The real victims are Benin. Long before Igbo. Today Igbo mock Benin with 7 local governments. The British took Lagos from Benin in 1850s.

Deji of Akure, was beheaded in 1818 for killing Oba's messenger. Ondo and Ekiti were under Benin until 1897. I still have relatives in those places. Read my posts over the years about it.
Oba of Benin refused to appoint Olu of Warri for 80 years when one insurodinate Olu passed on. Check all these in history.

Benin was burnt down in 1897 and Oba Ovonramwen deported to Calabar. The British did not even allow Benin people to use own money to build schools by themselves. They also discouraged missionaries building schools

From the Portuguese, Benin that were first to gain Western Education 500 years ago were kept down. Because Britain feared educated Benins would lead rebellion of decolonisation to avenge 1897.

Benin lost arts to Britain, territory, time in education and more.

Things used to mock us now. So who lost the most? We tried to prevent colonisation. You guys tried to leave Nigeria 70 years later. We obviously saw the future and tried to prevent it 70 years earlier.

In 1897 we didn't get anybody's assistance or empathy. Why should we care about anybody else now?
Zik fought to prevent possiblity of secession from Nigerian Constitution. Awo wanted secession to be allowed. Ironsi dismantled Regional system to placate Hausa Fulani. So why now blame Benin for it?

We fought off Idah and Jihadists centuries ago. We have nothing to side with anybody for. We just dey look.

Ireland, Luxembourg, Iceland, Slovakia, Slovenia, Cyprus, Malta, The Bahamas and many other countries do not have high population but highly successful. Less population, less wahala, tribalism and disharmony.

A house built on sand cannot stand. Natural solution will occur one day.

Alexander got to India. Where then did he fight King Porus? Was it not in Punjab now Pakistan?

Just because he stopped advance on Ganges plains does not mean he didn't reach India. He clearly had much of Indus valley under his control.

Just like Roman empire reached British Isles. Whether or not Scotland was reached.

Juliusmalema:
Well all are lies.

Empire of 7 local government and one senatorial district.

What happened to other 2 senatorial district in Edo state.

Empire turned to village and circulating lies.

Some logic sound whack to the ear sometimes and these Bini revisionist theory is one.

No wonder Yorubas had to put you guys in your place in another argument and till this day Yorubas are the ones ruling the said Edo because there are strong cultural ties and links.

Both Igbo and Yoruba have the same agenda. Hence the Afonja/Yoruba and Igbo developer hate dragging Southern Nigeria down.

To rewrite History using modern population politics. So Midwest left Western Region in 1963. In 1967 igbo got to see that Calabar, Rivers and Ijaw could not trust them. Awo and Zik could not even work together because of mutual suspicion. Like I said tribalism won't make you learn that the British imposed conditions to allow Benin monarchy to be restored. The British already began by taking Lagos from Benin in 1850s.

Thank God current Oba of Lagos confirms his Benin origin. It's all there on YouTube.
That learning history won't give you ego, some like you won't learn.

Rome once controlled the known world and Alexander the Great control middle East to India. Greek Macedonia and city of Rome do not control these places today.

A group of swearing copy and paste people put us in our place?

The pages they were copying and pasting were from books and journals in my family home library growing up. Better books were even written in my presence. Maybe they impressed you but not me.

Let's me remind you that Ovia SW and Orionmwon local govts in Edo state are bigger than Enugu state. All 5 Igbo States are smaller than Edo and Delta. Hence Igbo go hustle outside. Ojukwu was even born in Zumgeru Niger State. Igbo insult everyone yet they are all over other people's land.

Very funny. Anyway many Igbo are very sensible. I know dozens born and bred in Benin.

Lack of first class Western medical treatment is causing many deaths. No flights to go abroad.

Not just Covid-19 alone in the North.

Lack of first class Western medical treatment is causing many deaths. No flights to go abroad.

Fela Kuti

MJ

Aaliyah

Bob Marley

Marvin Gaye

Sam Okwaraji

Steven Keshi

Yakubu Yekini

Kobe Bryant & his daughter

There were others but they were older, over 70 years. So pain was less.

gregyboy:
Utomi is a typical edo name


I have not seen Anioma claiming igbo neither have they claim edo they are anioma mixture of both.....
Your ego may sink you soon if you always debunk the truth.......


Yes he is fascinated because that was is ancestoral root,


The fact is anioma is mixture of both edo and igbos


Sames the eastern igbo are mixture of igbo and igala


You can quote me without insult dont bring your emotions along while quoting me next time
I wont be replying you any further i will just press the report button
Let's be civil pls

Dude, forget that guy. You will notice that Edo people like to argue and discuss matters in a mature and civil way. Others throw insults anyhow. Of course after their insults, one is forced to reply at times. But do not do rofo rofo mud fight with them. Their frustration is big.
Because modern Nigeria has brainwashed them and promoted tribalism especially since the civil war, they cannot be objective.

The reason we are so welcoming and civil is that we straddle between East and West. We have been exposed to both sides and it's highly welcoming of all people in Edo. We had Igbo & Yoruba at both ends of the empire.

But it's not same to that level in East and West. But people quote Lagos as tolerant. Lagos had to be. Because it was molded by various influences including Benin.

SLAP44:
I need explanation, are the CBN and bankers committee now doing the work of managing the bank which I thought were business establishments capable of making and enforcing their own decisions as they deem fit in order to remain in business.

Why then are the CBN interfering with the decision, if these banks experience distress because of the insistence the regulatory bodies, who will bear the consequences?

People do not understand what is going on. Investors look at these draconian interventions. While we want banks to keep staff, what help has CBN solicited for commercial banks from FG to cushion COVID-19 impact?

If CBN could offer to help commercial banks pay half the salary of 50% of full salary of 30% of their employees for 6 months, that would be a practical step.

If banks must retain staff they cannot afford, it means cancelling dividends. Investors will sell up and leave. That can crash the banking sector that makes the bulk of of NSE.

Interesting. More Benin history.

The more they want to dispute Benin history, the more relevant it becomes.

This applies nationwide.

It may even be worse in the South. With a church in every other house.

Our priorities are very dubious.

StreetFight:
This is still an unresolved argument. Who brought Christianity to Nigeria? The same set of people that bought our forefathers as slaves and tied them with chains or another set of people. This needs to be clarified because slave traders and oppressors cannot be the same people who brought the so called Salvation in Christ. You cannot serve both God and Lucifer at the same time because you cannot be a Catholic Priest and a Sango Priest at the same time.

I cannot talk about everywhere but in Benin Empire, early Portuguese that came to Benin didn't want slaves. They wanted spices. They brought Christianity.

But even traders of all sorts came with vicars/missionaries. Although with time the Catholic Church declared that blacks were closer to animals than humans. It gave slave traders the moral and religious backing to deal in slaves. I bet corruption in high places played a role there.

Nodogragra4me:
This is what is needed in the North not Universities but they won’t accept it. Some of the best Honda mechanic are northerners ... the same with trucks like Mack , DaF

This school will be upgraded to a polytechnic or university. To churn out mass comm and management graduates. Who will have nothing to communicate and nothing to manage.

We sadly frown on vocations. To our detriment.

IDENNAA:
Bring the researched facts that proved Onicha were once Bini people or you can keep mute. Edo and Delta is a vague representation, be very specific. The same neutral Delta was the origin of the 1966 coupe led by mostly Anioma generals....

You little Bini aggressors thought you are wise but we have your brain matters in our palms. You want Anioma ? The same Anioma where your Nigerian soldiers commited genocide ?? We have you on a headlock !

I know many of you guys are so filled with hate to read widely. Tribalism makes it impossible for you to learn about others, You end up insulting and beating your chests.

Our Nigerian soldiers? Well, Igbo invaded Midwest first. Igbo brought the genocide upon Asaba, who out of fear collaborated somewhat with Igbo. Re-enforcing the suspicion that the coup plotters had Igbo support. To take over Nigeria. Perception is a powerful thing. You modern generation are giving the same perception now.

What you forgot is what happened after the coup was noted by Hausa Fulani. Read Shagari's biography.

With the death of Balewa (body not yet found), Zik with his Benin personal physician Dr Idemudia convalescing on a cruise in the Caribbean, Senate leader Dr Nwafor Orizu was acting president. At Dr Orizu's house, some of Balewa's cabinet were meeting with him. Ironsi walked in and went into a private room with Orizu to discuss privately. They emerged only for Ironsi to demand to be allowed to rule and "restore" order or threaten the military would revolt. Shagari and other Northerners took note. Deputy to Balewa called Dipcharima should have become Prime Minister but Orizu missed that chance. It caused a big problem going forward.

So face your history, read widely and control your overt hatred towards every tribe. Even if you want to leave, you still need other people to support it. Benin built an Empire, lost to the British and we're cool. I cannot see how stating history other people have written about themselves makes Benins aggressors.

If Benin is little, quite remarkable that the same Benin is what people know in African history alongside Egypt, Nubia, Ethiopia, Zulus, Mali, Ashanti. To be small and achieve big things is far better than being big and have no history of note. You forget that until recently, Igbo were small autonomous communities. Aro & Ijaw seriously decimated those Igbo communities by selling Igbo slaves. Whereas Benin was wise enough to ban slave trade in the 1600s already.

I have been to many museums around the world and I know what I see.

gregyboy:
Yea i kind off agree, in those times tribalism was not a big deal..... Unlike this present
And the old lady probably didnt even attend schoils that we will say influence her thoughts
Onitsha people in anambra are branch of anioma people in the niger delta.....

Zik born in 1904 probably heard that story from around 1912 to 1925. A period Bein was still at its lowest for about 900 years. Benin was no more dominant as an empire, in fact Eweka I was just using wisdom and tenacity in dealing with the British to get Benin by.

No political advantage to gain from Benin. Even in 1970, I see nothing from political calculation for Zik to gain. In fact he infuriated Ojukwu who was bent on taking all of what is now South South. Even invading neutral Midwest years earlier.

That invasion means Edo and Delta cannot be neutral again in any matter concerning Biafra. Because our neutrality seeking to be a peacemaker was rewarded with a bad coin.
It sowed the seed of suspicion about Igbo domination agenda.

That guy you are replying just learnt the word fabricate. Lol.
Of course replying him is for the benefit of reasonable silent readers. Because if you tell him we are in the month of May he will still call it fabrication.

Juliusmalema:
History Indeed or fabrications?

History of how many years with no strong backing and can't even stand any slightest scrutiny.

More I like I will go to one town in Bini and said they migrated from Abia state. Then they left Abia to Bini and that's their ancestry.

Some things ain't worth even discussing at all and one of them is this Illogical fabrications called logic.

Trace Indeed. Look at yourself and see how you guys sound most of the times.

Where the binis them come from?

Mtcheew.

Lol. What did Zik's grandmother have to gain by fabricating Benin origin over 100 years ago?
What did Zik have to gain by writing it in his book in 1970?
Nothing but simply to say the truth as they knew it. People of that generation were a million times more honest and truth seeking than the bitter and tribalistic ones we have today.

Juliusmalema:
Just remove Igbo out of the useless logic.
Tell me one thing that can be compared with Bini and an Igbo man. Nothing.

Bini and Igbo has no history because it breaks easily with no link unlike Bini and SW that the ties and history are so strong that it can be dragged for so long.

The samuk finished himself and shot himself von the leg by using Igbo enwe Eze which proves Immediately that he is desperate and doesn't understand what he quoted.

Who says Benin wants anything to do with the general Igbo? But those parts that are now considered part of wider Igbo that trace their origins to Benin, nobody has any right to deny them their history. Not you. Not me.

sthecy:
A beauty gone just like dat. She never planned for this. If someone had told her this would happen, she will curse that person

My dear, we all need to be careful and be prayerful. So much anger, hate, wicked hearts and evil around. Sadly, we cannot tell who harbours them.

People can go about their lives minding their business yet sadly fall pray. We need grace of God upon us.

samuk:
Your advice should be for the people you are trying to shove your igboness down their throat. I repeat, it's not Benin people making these claims but the people themselves and for some reasons best known to you, you will simply not allow the people to be what they want to be.

Maybe you take your advice to the Palace of Dein of Agbor and Obi of Issele-uku and lecture them on their Igboness. It's possible you know something they don't know.

Samuk, they said Zik knew nothing. That they know far more than Zik's grandmother. A woman probably born around 1840, time of Oba Osemwende. When Lagos was still under Benin control. About 22 years after sacking of Akure in 1818 and beheading of Deji Arakale for refusing Oba's traditional confirmation instrument/chalk of his Dejiship, and killing of Oba's emissary Osague. These are stories that would have been told around the whole empire back then.

Then they also say the writings of Olaudah equiano are not true. An eye witness and victim of slavery.

The issue is that Benin people have been very modest, though sanguine about our history despite the marginalisation began by the British. But Benin public seem not too much aware of the grand conspiracy of larger tribes to rewrite history using population politics.

People travel through Benin from East to Lagos/SW and from SW to East and feel "oh, Benin City is not that big, it couldn't have been as powerful as people claim". If you go by that logic, Timbuktu is still full of mud houses. We would also conclude that it didn't have those universities and scholars from Middle East and beyond as claimed.

People have made up their mind that what we now called "minorities" should be absorbed. Their history should be denigrated and relegated until people actually believe so. No first hand account you will give will suffice. They will rather find some dubious publications to copy and paste.

Even within a tribe, people may not even agree on exact history, but at least evidence gives us some consensus.

But tribalism runs very deep. The previous generations did a bad job of poisoning the youth's mind. Especially due to tough economic problems over the past 50 years and failure to learn from the Civil War of 1967-70.

Nice

A place every idiot believes they are too smart, this is what happens.

A failed land of many fools.

Very nice.

Successful people are gamblers. Gambling is not all about Kalo Kalo.
Boris Johnson gambled on Brexit and the British unexpectedly backed Brexit. That's why he is PM now.
The richest people are in private sector. They chose private business when they could have done cushy civil service jobs.

Alcohol can ruin health easily. But lots of successful people drink and smoke a lot.

Focus and risk are inevitable in success. Luck and grace cannot be underestimated too.

Reason is women have so many secrets. Dirty secrets too. So they expect their men to have too.

Oracle20:
Food poisoning doesn't cause sudden death. And it can't kill all the members of the family at the same time. One person would have started showing symptoms first that would prompt seeking medical attention, the man was Mobile. What ever killed them must have been inhaled during sleep.

Actually food can. Hydrocyanic acid in wrong species of cassava without proper processing.
But you are right. Not food poisoning is caused by Campylobacter, E coli, norovirus or salmonella.

Either carbon monoxide from generator or poisonous food.

xpool:
Before, it is taboo to bury a parent without first Son's presence, now it is done without raising eyebrows.
Like you said culture is not statice,but most aspects of culture either evolve or revolve. It is welcome development, if you find it difficult then, ask the Moslems how they do it. If it is somehow offensive to you, then ask our ancestors how they used to do it. Every location in the south is littered with mortuaries and undertakers.
There is always a way out, keep good relationship with your kind, they are all helpful in such situations.

Note that the only necessity here is just for the corpse to be put into the grave, chikene. You can invite the whole globe later, if it pleasese.

We have turned mourning into celebration, even for a deceased teenager, mba nu.

Of course anybody can do as they wish. It it should not come in a Draconian way from politicians. I do not even like putting any corpse in the poorly maintained mortuaries. Remember cultures differ. Even within 9ja.

In my part of Africa herbs and spices were used to preserve bodies for a week to two weeks. I saw it up to 5 days to a week still growing up. Rise of mortuaries led to loss of those skills.
Each develops at own pace. Muslims do theirs and others do theirs. It's about cultural choice. I have never liked extravagant anything. Not even elaborate weddings.

But if celebrating a dead person's life helps their loved ones to better grieve and come to terms with it, then their choice.

There are other things you or I care much about and some can just come up tomorrow and abrogate it. Therefore protecting other people's choice (even if hold a different view) is actually protecting yours too.

I still remember when growing up, all pictures of a dead child were destroyed. All memory obliterated. There were still very old relatives around then who believed that keeping the memory means the child might be reborn in the family and still die again. Young people were hurriedly buried too and forgotten.

So celebrating young people might just be the evolution you alluded to. Not all about age but what the person meant to his friends and family.
It will evolve again when people are ready. It cannot be forced.

xpool:
That ban is long overdue in the south, we end up wasting money that the deceased never smelt or spent in his lifetime, just on burials. Preserving dead bodies is alien to our culture. Our culture is or was to bury the dead same day or not more than the next day

Corona virus is gradually resetting our brain and culture to Factory Settings

Culture has never been static. 15 0 years ago hardly anyone had children and grandchildren in Europe or America. But now many first sons live abroad.
Or other parts of the country as employees who cannot just leave work right away and travel.

Then it will be either a reasonable time limit in mortuary or people being buried without their children around.

Many will begin embalming at home instead.

Ban? No. Maybe set a limit of two or three weeks.

Dem still try pass many others. Nice one.