₦airaland Forum

SilverSniper:
I don't necessarily endorse everything AreaFada2 claimed at all, but this is a bit wide of the truth, not only with respect to Benin, but also with regard to Yorubaland.

I wouldn't say the Benin kingdom "did not participate" in the slave trade, but it was a very minor player compared to many other African kingdoms. The very strict restrictions on the slave-trade that Benin imposed - after the initial slave trade with the Portuguese that did occur for about three decades in the late 15th to the early 16th century - actually led to two centuries of there being practically no slaves exported from Benin to Europeans. Even after that two centuries, in the 18th century when the slave-trade did reemerge in Benin for some decades, the numbers involved were very small, especially when compared to some other prominent Nigerian and west African states. This is actually discussed and analyzed in detail in Ryder's 1969 book that you asked me about in that other thread, but there other scholars besides Ryder who reached a very similar conclusion independently of Ryder by simply looking at what the sources show.

Regarding "food", the historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

A historian, Tunde Oduwobi, gives an interesting analysis of this ascription of servile origins to the Ijebu in his publication "Early Ìjèbú history: An analysis on demographic evolution and state formation" (2006). Oduwobi also notes in that article and in another article that, of course, the Ijebu had their own completely different traditions about their origins.

SilverSniper:
I don't necessarily endorse everything AreaFada2 claimed at all, but this is a bit wide of the truth, not only with respect to Benin, but also with regard to Yorubaland.

I wouldn't say the Benin kingdom "did not participate" in the slave trade, but it was a very minor player compared to many other African kingdoms. The very strict restrictions on the slave-trade that Benin imposed - after the initial slave trade with the Portuguese that did occur for about three decades in the late 15th to the early 16th century - actually led to two centuries of there being practically no slaves exported from Benin to Europeans. Even after that two centuries, in the 18th century when the slave-trade did reemerge in Benin for some decades, the numbers involved were very small, especially when compared to some other prominent Nigerian and west African states. This is actually discussed and analyzed in detail in Ryder's 1969 book that you asked me about in that other thread, but there other scholars besides Ryder who reached a very similar conclusion independently of Ryder by simply looking at what the sources show.

Regarding "food", the historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

A historian, Tunde Oduwobi, gives an interesting analysis of this ascription of servile origins to the Ijebu in his publication "Early Ìjèbú history: An analysis on demographic evolution and state formation" (2006). Oduwobi also notes in that article and in another article that, of course, the Ijebu had their own completely different traditions about their origins.

scholes0:
Stoopid.
So Benin colonized Yoruba and Yorubas adopted Oba, but the neighbouring Esan, Afemai, Isoko, Urrhobo people that speak similar languages and share similar customs from the start coud not adopt it? lol.
Oba is a Yoruba word planted into Benin just like many other Yoruba traditions and Vocabulary now replete in the Bini language.

Bukasint:
He should be sacked with immediate effect. He is not a Medical Doctor but a bloody Microbiologist. He never know what it's like to take Hippocratic Oath. He should be fired before he uses Africa for vaccine testing...

gregyboy:
Chief ezomo with his slaves

TAO11:
Your claim that Bini didn't participate in slave trade is false just like anything you say.

Bini participated in slave trade.

Bini also reserved its own open as food to Yoruba gods.

Stop lying, and I will stop going hard!

TAO11:
Your claim that Bini didn't participate in slave trade is false just like anything you say.

Bini participated in slave trade.

Bini also reserved its own open as food to Yoruba gods.

Stop lying, and I will stop going hard!

TAO11:
Your claim that Bini didn't participate in slave trade is false just like anything you say.

Bini participated in slave trade.

Bini also reserved its own open as food to Yoruba gods.

Stop lying, and I will stop going hard!

RamessesIV:
So this is a battle of supremacy then,i have noticed this with Nigerian ethnic groups too,I hear some Igbo tribes are part Edo some said they are fully Igbo,no one can tell anyone his history so I think is best we try to maintain peace and believe what ever origin story we want.

RamessesIV:
Hmm one thing am sure of according to their myths/history is that Benin had a prince from ife and left his son to become king and later went to Yoruba land,in Yoruba account that king is thought to be oranmiyan they said he was a yoruba prince that went to Benin(I think),in either case this shows that both Benin and ife have a unique history and connection but have different accounts of myths

Take example in esan we a king or warrior who defeated the Benin and killed the oba,in benin account esans didn't defeat them or kill their king their king was betrayed and got killed in battle but at the end is generally agreed that the Oba lost his life in the war to esans

So I think the bone of contention here should be is

if the prince was from Benin sent to ife??

If ife sent a prince to benin??
(Mind you am not well knowledgable in both myths everything is from the little I can remember so please bear my errors)

Mind you I would like to say is that benin,ife both have lovely cultures and history I do not see the need to prove a myth right to show some faux superiority,the romans claimed to come from troy in greece after it's fall doesn't downplay the achievement of rome or the cultural significance of both rome and greece take example our Hausa/fulanis i don't really see them engaging in such arguments

TAO11:
Exactly! Except that no historian regard such Bini account as myth.

Moreover, I know you to an extent that I am most certain that you as a person do no harbour such low-self esteem to cause you to feel inferior because of the existence of such accounts.

There are however some of your own? --- such as gregyboy, davidnazee, samuk, and to some extent AreaFada2, among others --- who are so miserably riddled by inferiority complex, low-self esteem, delusions of grandeur, and insecurity --- that they will go to any extent (including insulting Benin Kings sometimes) just to dissociate themselves from the real-world of sanity.

So my engagement with them is actually in the context of rehabilitation (or put differently in religious context --- reviving lost souls).

To achieve this end, I some times adopt the idea of tough love, in case you see me go hard. It's all for their food.

And so far, I and other on my team are winning this battle against insanity.

Cheers!

Saao:
That's the danger of not telling your child your names and phone number. I have a 3 years old daughter, at the time I told her my full name and her mummy full name, my wife got angry at the beginning but later saw sense in it. Parents must learn to teach children the basics things about themselves just for the safety of the child.

GamalNasser:
If I am president I will scrap this useless organization and that ministry of Niger delta and set up Niger Delta Expedited Development Marshal Fund managed directly from the presidency by men and women with impeccable reputation and eagle eyed watched by all anti corruption body .. The NDDC has achieved nothing absolutely nothing in decades of it's creation rather it is a super vehicle for obscene corruption

solmus:




Civid 19.. Aboki go still call am polio , typhod and malaria

Bill Gates and Melinda Foundation don't just speak without facts, they where the ones who invested their own money in putting a stop to polio that all most crippled a good percentage of northerners, they funded research, and personally travelled to affected African countries to inspect the distribution so as to avoid corruption, they where responsible for battling child birth mortality and many more, so when they speak they have facts

Its a shame when Bill Gate told Buhari to his face that his long term financial plan and budgeting was wrong and he should focus more on human capital development rather than infrastructure, many argued, ... again he advised more funding of WHO so as to help poor countries in Africa but people rather supported Donald Trump who thinks Africa is shithole, and has never spent a kobo in Africa

Now Melinda gates prediction is happening in Kano state and ironically Bill Gate had visited Kano State several times on request of Dangote

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chinjo:
Buharis' government is 'looting for few', Banditry, Boko Haram, Fulani Herdsmen, Nepotism, highest cluelessness, international disgrace and above all lifelessness.

Tetrahedron:
Chai !

Where is yenefer, mannabbqgrils, seunmsg, and the rest of the zombie clan?

Come and see your masters

money121:
R.ip

gregyboy:
You tried to be meek but you shyes from the truth

We conquered them and brought the rebellious kings head to benin

Gepheral:
Just a day's results have cleared a huge chunk of bed spaces available in the country...

Use your head guys. Prevention they say is way better...
Stay safe guys

funmijoyb:
Pardon my grammatical blunders I'm not feeling fine

Moji12:
So in this time of lockdowm your wife used to leave the house to do aproko in another person's house. What is the purpose of the lockdown then? she even carries the child with her nawa. Anyways as for u mr hubby abeg follow ur heart u r old/matured enof to know ue right from left if u see urself old enough to start a family shows u aint a baby nomore. Mtchewwww like husband like wife.
Iru iro n iborun.