sassysure: I don't know about other parts of igboland o in my side, this is a no go area. Also, we hardly divorce. Actually, we don't divorce. Its the family that will divorce you guys traditionally when your case is extreme e.g., u are a killer, u panel beat your spouse etc, they always have your medicine no matter how bad and far gone you are. If it's a man who panel beat his wife, her people or his people will give him a dose of his medicine and her family will take their daughter and kids away from him. U are forbidden from marrying again. And u will be heavily fined. If u have repented and your conduct is accepted by all and sundry, u will start wooing your wife afresh. All through the time she is with her people, u will never fail in your obligations to your family. And if the women came for your case, sorry will be your last name.
It's working for them actually. Help in keeping the execcess of spouses in check.
@bold:
Interesting.
While I think a some of our cultural beliefs and practices need total overhaul, the good ones should be fine-tuned to fit today.
Nice one.
When a person knows marriage is permanent, they choose with more intention and behave well in the marriage.
How is adultery treated generally? Apart from the love child.
sassysure: U are actually wrong. You only know about your tribe and not other hundreds of tribe littered in the continent, Africa. I'm igbo and anambra precisely from awka senatorial zone. Our laws forbids that. The same way it forbids a man who gives a young maiden belle to waltz in to claim the child anytime he want. I grew up with this law and unless they abolish that today, it's still in place. So don't rope all in one basket.
In abiriba, abia state, it's the wives family that marry off their sisters daughter. Is this the norm, no but it's the practice over there. I have been to one and even though we found it weird, it's still their cultural practice and we respected that.
Imagine roping Egypt and Nigeria as the same culturally or even south Africa.
@bold:
In Yoruba land, once a guy claims a child, the baby is accepted by all and sundry in the guy's family and position of the babymama 'elevated.'
Ti obirin ba ti bimo fun eni, o ti koja ale eni.
Once a woman has your child, she is now more than your concubine.
sassysure: Actually, i have thought deep about this case. Yes, the child is acceptable to the family if the man decides otherwise in my place. The same way children born out of wedlock solely belong to the woman irrespective of who the father is. The family opposite my house in the village had a case like this. They had 4 kids. Then wifey got pregnant like 12 yrs after the last. News started flying around. Wifey had before stopped the husband from touching her but has a secret boyfriend. So when she got pregnant, she came to her husband but his brothers are already aware and told the man toreject her advances. She was exposed but the man refused to divorce her. She gave birth to a very beautiful baby girl. This man loved this girl more than all his kids. The father is from.the neborhood but has no claim on that child as long as the man is still married to the woman. Actually, as long as you are married, any child you have while married irrespective of who the father is belong to the husband.
We don't reject children at all and we quickly integrate them into the family. Anybody reading this and say yes will know where i came from instantly. I dont know how other parts of my tribe does theirs.
The first post I made is a general post but I have narrowed it down to how it is done in my place
A man who gives a woman belle married or not don't get to get ownership of that child. The only exception is when she is still single and the man marry her with the belle. Weird and funny at the same time. Our tradition and culture protects the female more than the male and we are in Nigeria
I am aware of this culture in Igbo land and it is been referenced a lot of here.
I believe this throws another dimension (cultural) to the discussion because I know divorce/separation seems least embraced in Igbo land.
Sabby1: Although, I predominantly listen to gospel music, my favourite is 'oceans: where feet may fail' by hillsong. The song makes me emotional and the lyrics is out of this world My favourite non gospel music is 'hero' by Enrique Iglesias. It reminds me of the good old days
I will check Hillsong's song
Hero.... listened to the live version, Spanish live version, everything.
I keep seeing a man 'forcing' his love child on the wife and family.
Nollywood aside, how many men bring their love children home when it is easier and safer to run a parallel family or keep the child/children with his parents/family?
Mariangeles: Be realistic, this is Africa where the father gives the child an identity! It might not matter in other parts of the world, but in Africa, a child who does not know who his father is, not to talk of his family roots, is termed a bastard.
Is this an 'African' thing?
Do you know anywhere lineages are traced by the mother's side? If yes, how many?
sassysure: Blame the Nigerian culture and religion.
The child answers whose name? The father. And here who is the father, def not the woman's husband. So the child don't belong to the family.
U see baby mamas giving their children the surnames of their baby daddies. Why? Cos at the right time, the child will get to know his father and become part of him. A woman can't get pregnant by another man while married and make the child bear the name of her husband. If it's known, the real father will come for his child whether the woman want it or not. He don't belong to that family. Then again, unless there is an agreement e.g., if the man is sterile etc. My culture allows that and the child is protected by the laws of the land. If it's children before marriage, it's understandable and there is always an agreement before saying i do. Na our society. It's even more of cultural than religious.
Sassy,
Let's put culture aside and look at nature:
I said this in another post:
Except you want to be funny, you will acknowledge that the effect of pregnancy on a woman is different from a man.
If the man is back home before she delivers, who will care for her? After she births the baby, who will bear the emotional cost of catering for her and the new born? Who would come to do Omugwo? In which house? Where would the wife nurse the babe? Now talk of the wife getting her body back in shape. Imagine the lover's child left stretch marks on her tummy. So the husband would bear the new body his wife acquired carrying the child of a lover?
If we are debating a husband and wife cheating without children involved, that's another discussion.
rockstarB: Stop forming woke either. You called my concept of DNA disruption and family tree archaic, yet you did a DNA test on your child, just to be sure he is truly yours, and he is in no way being a false member of your family tree. We are on the same side, you can as well say we should both stop displaying our ignorance
Kingarthur21: now I understand why ladies came for your head in the family section.
I dont blame them for it.
Talking of fact . I am a medical doctor,upper year I will be through with my residency and become a surgeon over here in Texas .So dont tell me what is fact and not fact.
What has being a MD got to do with the fact a woman committing paternity fraud disrupts the family tree and DNA of the family?
rockstarB: Dont mind him. For someone that did a DNA on his own child. If DNA disruption doesnt mean anything to him why did he do a DNA test on his own son?
Kingarthur21: we are not talking about deception by the woman here. We are talking about a woman bringing a kid that is not his and being honest about it(my dear husband,when you were abroad , I made a mistake and I am pregnant ) versus a Man bringing a kid that is not hers. What is the difference?
No one is comparing paternity fraud with a love child because the former is purely deceit! We are comparing a love child from a man and a love child from a woman(with no deceit).
Why do think one is more tolerable than another?
You are woman(except you are a male behind this moniker),you should know better that raising a child is not just a man dropping money. If a man brings in a love child will the lady not nurture,groom and take care of the child?you think flinging cash is more than bathing a kid thrice a day,watching over the kid feeding the kid,,sleeping with the kid when admitted in the hospital(most men cant do such), changing nappies at night etc
As a single father(I am engaged to the mother of my kid though),he came to spend last Christmas with me,it was hell. He will climb everywhere,put my phone in the toilet,switch on the gas,not to talk of him waking up at night severally..I just couldn't do anything, I was tied down. I realised that taking care of a child is worth more than the money I send monthly for his upkeep.
So please concisely state the difference between a love child from a man and a love child from a woman,if both are honest about it!
I am struggling to understand how your post is in any way connected to mine.
First, I did not mention money in my post; it was very deliberate. Second, I stated why love children from men are different from love children from women.
By now, you should realize I don't argue theories from thin air or to be woke online.
I have not seen a woman confess about a love child (not one bore before marriage) before. It is either she pins the baby on the husband or aborts it.
Let's even go with your scenario and say a woman confesses a love child while the husband is away for a period of time.
Except you want to be funny, you will acknowledge that the effect of pregnancy on a woman is different from a man.
If the man is back home before she delivers, who will care for her? After she births the baby, who will bear the emotional cost of catering for her and the new born? Who would come to do Omugwo? In which house? Where would the wife nurse the babe? Now talk of the wife getting her body back in shape. Imagine the lover's child left stretch marks on her tummy. So the husband would bear the new body his wife acquired carrying the child of a lover?
Please come back to earth.
As long as a woman bears the responsibility of pregnancy and infant child care, a wife getting pregnant out of an affair WILL ALWAYS BE DIFFERENT from a husband getting a woman pregnant.
Kingarthur21: a myopic and sexist gibberish you put up.
No man/woman should be deceived/forced into raising a child from wedlock. There is no excuse for it,you talk like one from the medieval times. DNA disruption?family tree? In the 21st century you are analysing from a sexist lens..
In as much as I hate modern day feminism,I agree it was needed to some extent to put sexist men at bay
If you as a man does not understand the essence of family trees and DNA disruption as you put it, it is a shame.
rockstarB: Because that child is a disruption to the family tree. A married man that has a child with another woman still gets to maintain his DNA through that child, the child is part of the family tree. It is solely up to the wife to decide whether she wants to be a part of the childs life or not, the man can as well raise the kid with the babymama outside his family. He gets to spend his money on his own child and all that daddy duties. When a married woman cheats and gets pregnant for another man(if she gets caught), that child is automatically a bastard to the family, a disruption to the family tree. His sisters, brothers, uncles and aunts are not his real relatives. A married woman that has the courage to get pregnant for another man should use same energy to raise the child with the real family. Except a man wants to genuinely protect the image of the family, such child should be raised in his real family. Say no to OMO ALE. Only a woman can bring a bastard to the family. A bastard child never comes through a man.
Infidelity with children is different for men & women.
Husband: A husband cheats and has a kid. He can decide to run a parallel family or bring the kid home if the marriage currently has no kids, no boys etc. The worst he will do is to bring the child home as 'his brother's child or uncle' s child' that is lie about the relationship. At No POINT is the wife deceived that the child is hers.
Wife: She cheats and gets pregnant. Except the husband has established he is impotent or did not sleep with her during the window, he will automatically assume her child is his. So the husband invests all resources in a child that is not his right from when she is pregnant.
There is also wear and tear that comes from pregnancy and childbirth. So the husband probably ran out at 2am to get Ghana Jollof + Port Harcourt Boli for a child that is not his; he endured all the discomfort and abstained from sex for months for a child not his; the wife's body changed and he had to work with her through it for a child not his; he kept vigil when the baby was ill; he cheered when the baby took her first walk; when he grew his first tooth.
Paternity fraud is the difference between love children of cheating husbands/ wives.
dominique: I'm not against teaching boys (and girls) the importance of making money from a young age but putting pubescent teenagers on freelancing platforms? Too dangerous. A teenager should not be left alone wandering around the cyberspace unsupervised. I thought Nigerian parents were bad for putting financial pressure on their kids at 18 years old upwards. Indian, Bangladeshi parents are even worse. Imagine a 13 year old sourcing for work on Fiverr. Poverty die die die
Making money is not all there is to being men. Some men make money and are still irresponsible. Teach your sons responsibility that comes being a man not just money making only
What are the responsibilities that come with being a man?