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MacDaddy01: So because muslims started slavery in Africa and christians only did slavery in the past, christianity is now exonerated from the crimes of slavery?

obadiah777: Oh yeah thats the funniest part Joagbaje will spend the whole night quoting MALACHI 3 VS 10

Delafruita: you want me to sing hymns?dude,my voice is totally out of this world.UFOs would invade and jesus would have to die a second time

musKeeto: Could you expatiate?

musKeeto: Like really, there are no such restrictions in Christianity and Islam?

musKeeto: God also required human sacrifice, didn't he?

musKeeto: What do you mean evil spirits? Would the Canaanites who lost their land to the emancipated slaves of Egypt, view Yahweh as a good spirit?

musKeeto: So it boils down to picking the better of two evils?

musKeeto:

musKeeto: Ezekiel 33
8 When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for[a] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.
9 But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.
10 “Son of man, say to the Israelites, ‘This is what you are saying: “Our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of[b] them. How then can we live?”’
11 Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’
12 “Therefore, son of man, say to your people, ‘If someone who is righteous disobeys, that person’s former righteousness will count for nothing. And if someone who is wicked repents, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation. The righteous person who sins will not be allowed to live even though they were formerly righteous.’
13 If I tell a righteous person that they will surely live, but then they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered; they will die for the evil they have done.
14 And if I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ but they then turn away from their sin and do what is just and right—
15 if they give back what they took in pledge for a loan, return what they have stolen, follow the decrees that give life, and do no evil—that person will surely live; they will not die.
16 None of the sins that person has committed will be remembered against them. They have done what is just and right; they will surely live.
17 “Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just.
18 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil, they will die for it.
19 And if a wicked person turns away from their wickedness and does what is just and right, they will live by doing so.
20 Yet you Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to your own ways.”

MacDaddy01: Slave trade was mainly an economic issue for labour. The economic issue was supported by religion both christianity and islam.

The African slave trade was justified with the bible when it came to the West. Christianity is a slave religion

MacDaddy01: A half truth is a lie. Your religion was mostly in support of slavery by the fact that the most powerful denominations were in support of slavery at the time.

MacDaddy01: [size=15pt] 1) The African slave trade was started by muslims. [/size]

2) Christians still kill witches in Africa. Europe (Britian) dumped their toxic religion on us and forgot about the religion. Do British people burn witches anymore? Ae British people religious? No, but We Africans carry their foriegn religion and do all kinds of atrocities like tithe-fraud, battering children accused of witchcraft, improsining homosexuals etc

3) We destroy our own cultures. Our great granfathers were wed in their traditional cultures and they hardly divorced but now we do church weddings. We are now saying that weddings are not holy or proper until done in a church. Shameful.


4) There were secular movements in the call for abolition of slave trade

5) From the changing behaviour of christians on slavery, their truth is not eternal and neither is their bible's or god's

MacDaddy01: How did I contradict myself?

a) Slavery is wrong. Christians engaged in slavery

b) The bible supports slavery.


Are you just complaining of contradiction from thin air?

MacDaddy01: 1) Crazyman mentions that no christian slave owner killed his slave in the name of Jesus? How would Crazyman know that? What was the punbishment for trying to read? Trying to read a bible? Any death from christian slavery, whether it was being flogged to death or death in transportation of slaves is a death in the name of Jesus because the bible was used to enforce that slavery.

MacDaddy01: Christianity has killed far more than any pagan religion. Crazyman will counter that those killing in the name of christianity are not christians, just as he denies that catholic slave traders are not christians. Then, Crazyman is arguing illogically because a pagan can claim that the pagans who do bad things like sacrifices are not pagans.

MacDaddy01: Crazyman acts like it was only the catholics that engaged in slavery. Unfortunately for you, the major denominations supported slave trade! Anglican, Baptist, Mormons etc.

MacDaddy01: Crazyman ignores the support of slavery in the bible. Paul in the new testament clearly tells slaves to obey their masters. The old testament says that slaves can be taken from the nations around isreal.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)



Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

A team of lawyers in Oyo State has expressed the desire to investigate the circumstances surrounding the death of former Super Eagles striker Rashidi Yekini.

The World Cup star, who is credited with scoring the highest goals for the national team, died in Ibadan on May 4, a few weeks after his family members took him away from his home.

Yekini’s former lawyer, Mohammed Olanrewaju, told THE PUNCH in a telephone interview on Wednesday that the lawyers were ready to wade into the matter with the view to exposing the truth about Yekini’s death.

He said, “The lawyers are unhappy that everyone keeps quiet over the death of Rashidi because it revolves round his family. They have argued that the issue goes beyond family matter, not only because a national hero was involved but because of the traces of manslaughter or murder that are noticed in the reports before he died.”

Olanrewaju added that he had called on the family many times to apologise to the nation over their role in his death as this would demonstrate remorse.

“What the family did was not acceptable. I have called on them to come out with the truth and name those involved in the circumstances leading to his death. They were misled by the negative reports about their son’s health and I told them not to keep quiet over the matter. If they had done that, the nation would have forgiven them. I am aware that everyone is furious over his death.”

He said one of the major areas to be clarified was the striker’s whereabouts between the time he was taken away by his family and the time he was moved to a hospital where he was pronounced dead.

Ogun State government has ordered Fulani herdsmen to halt their migration to the state as it aims to end clashes between farmers and the cattle-rearers.

Commissioner for Agriculture, Mr. Ayo Olubori, at a meeting of the stakeholders in Abeokuta on Wednesday, said the directive was to enable the state to address the factors responsible for the recurring clashes between farmers and herdsmen and also to set a minimum requirement for the nomads.

Olubori added that issues concerning grazing land, cattle routes, registration and the signing of agreement by the nomads would be resolved at another meeting.

He, however, directed the chairmen of Imeko-Afon, Yewa North and Abeokuta North local governments to convene a meeting of traditional rulers, youths, Fulani herdsmen, farmers and community leaders in their areas to inform them about  the government’s efforts aimed at forestalling a recurrence of the crises.

The commissioner said, “Fulani herdsmen who are bringing their cattle into the state for grazing should suspend their coming until proper arrangements have been made to ensure that the crises that usually occur between them and farmers do not happen again.

“Government is working to ensure that farmers and herdsmen can cohabit peacefully without a breakdown of law and order and we will not tolerate a recurrence of what was witnessed last year.”

Prominent  among those who attended the  meeting were the representatives of the ministry, security agents, the concerned council bosses, Seriki fulanis of the affected areas and Chairman of the All Farmers Association of Nigeria, Ogun State chapter, Mr. Segun Dasaolu.

musKeeto: If Maclatunji will be security, no problem...

wiegraf: I'd gladly start one with you, sadly not for the same reasons as you... I'm thinking of what sort of jet I would eventually buy?

Ptolomeus: I'm glad the paths tansite discusón education and rationalism, and not for the disqualification and the injury of his first intervention.
I respond to you

1. In the colonization of Africa, missionaries surely died. Excuse me, but I do not think life is worth more missionaries than Africans. Or yea?. were also killed, soldiers French, British, Arabs, etc.. You weep for them? Ilament for the Africans, who asked not to be invaded.

Ptolomeus: You do not realize that they killed in the name of Christ? Surely you're joking.

Ptolomeus: You are not informed about what was the Inquisition? You do not know that the African slave trade was encouraged, supported and encouraged by the Christians? You know that the Catholic Church promoted slavery on the grounds that blacks were animals, and had no soul?
Well ... then dear friend ... you are very misinformed.

Ptolomeus: Great error .. disinformation.
In a synagogue, a woman can sit in the same place as men?
A woman can learn or read the Torah?
Why do you judge traditional religion, with facts that foreign religions practiced much worse?. It is better to look inside your own home?
You have defended Islam, why do not you respond, what you think of the costumes used for Islamic women?

Ptolomeus: 3.I agree with you!
In the Old Testament, God punished all (or almost all). You said it yourself ...
But you traicionalismo accused of being cruel ... Contradictory!
If, God of Israel is irritable, vindictive and sadistic .. Who does not believe he will suffer the worst casigos (this is a loving God?). Following that, and can you tell traditionalism? Please think about you a little, before you post!
The God of the Old Testament, is one of the most sadistic and murderers ever invented.
I insist that your popio catigó people, sent plagues .. No normal human being would worship a god so evil.

Ptolomeus: Judges (cap.10, 11 and 12), (Sacrifice of Jephthah virgin) Yahweh wanted her virgin .. perverse truth?

Ptolomeus: (Hebrews .10:12) ... You read it? God sacrificed, or God did not sacrifice his son?.

Ptolomeus: Well ... I think it's enough ... who sacrifices his own son, obviously human aceptasacrifcios. Sango did something?. Excuse me, but your analysis is very petty, biased, and your analysis suffers from amnesia

Ptolomeus: .Pathetic!
That is the Christian doctrine of love and peace?
You are the judges the traditional religion?
You are justifying murder and revenge ...
Excuse me: I am a human being. I respect life ... I do not accept that veligeancia and hatred.

Ptolomeus: David repented of murder? With that achieved? Well then sin! Assassinate! that the Christian God forgives! Irony. This says a Christian! estimated

Ptolomeus: Abraham was a murderer and an adulterer ... the Bible says ... that seems to be, then, cristina behavior as you say ..
Abraham Molested his home and impregnated her!
You are very confused, but I thank you say those things

Ptolomeus: You ignore fundaentales issues. It's not my fault.

Ptolomeus: Natural resources?
You are joking with something sacred. You make fun of African children's hunger!
You speak of natural resources ... is ironic! I speak of the pain of Africa, hunger, of disease, of whatever cultures exanjeras (that you defend) imposed on Africa. Do you have heart? Do you have feelings?.
Re-watch the children's eyes!

Ptolomeus: Africa is the continent with the highest number of people infected with AIDS per capita.
Not me, says the WHO.
You do not divert scusión to USA. We talked about Africa and the legacy they have left you defend foreigners.

Ptolomeus: Very respectfully.
In an ironic question, I answer any theological position, is better than what you propose. Their god is cruel, unjust, irritable .. How can you judge other deities?
Please! Have some respect!

Ptolomeus: There are internal wars imágees! But if they were, it is also the result of foreign domination. So Africa left his friends and his god.
Hunger, poverty, disease, hatred ... and you criticize African culture?
Excuse me, but I beg to raise the level of discussion ... You do not do anything but show that its creed incites violence, to mediocrity, and underestimation of Africans.
Please be sensible ... you leave their hatred and bigotry.
Again used to look in the eyes of these children ...
In're eyes are all the "blessing" of Jesus and Mohammed ... What an irony!

Ptolomeus: With your permission:
1. When you talk about sacrifices, I guess you do not refer to slavery, European Arab wing subjected to millions of Africans nor you are referring to the murders committed in the name of Christ the King and Muhammad ...

Ptolomeus: When you refer to women while, surely you do not refer to the location of women in the synagogues, the maneraen that Islamic women should vesirse, n wing Islam accepts polygamy or the stoning and castación of women. Or yes?

Ptolomeus: When you say that "God is merciful", you mean the god bile, commanding destroy entire peoples? (Incluendo women, elderly and children), you are talking about spreading pests god? or you mean the prophet who orders suicidal fanatics murder innocents, and rewarded the murderers with 20 virgins in paradise?

Ptolomeus: If you read the Bible, you will see that Yahweh demanded sacrifices of virgins in their honor ...

Ptolomeus: You say that Paul was wrong, and God forgave him ... But you contradict (or contradicts this god?) It was later beheaded by the sins ... Terrible!

Ptolomeus: Excuse me, but not all criminals are punished by God.
Adulterers: Abraham, David, Solomon, Noah (etc.) were punished?

Ptolomeus: The slave, who had been chained to black America in the name of God, were punished?
Who said that blacks and Indians deserved to be slaves because they were animals that had no soul, were punished by God?
Members of the "Holy Inquisition" were punished?

Ptolomeus: The result of centuries of domination cultural and religious of Arabs and European, in Africa is following:
a) Africa is the poorest continent in the world.

Ptolomeus: Africa is the continent with the largest number of people infected with AIDS per capita.

Ptolomeus: Europeans and Arabs have been commissioned to erase culture of Africa, to impose their moral value propis (moral?), And lose their identity and pride to Africans

Ptolomeus: Finally, Sir, then I present to you some pictures of that "legacy".
The images are worth a thousand words.

femrozy: I have been observing a lot of youths of nowadays disrespecting God whenever they are in the Church service. What do you think is happening to them? Your contribution, please.

FMK: Christian are struggling to ascend to heaven sure there is no more room make the math 400,000,000,000,000,000,000 years ago BC so far, the list with this number is already handed over to Jesus there we find Adam, eve, Seth, Cain, Enoch, Noah with his generation Abraham with his million sons, Elijah, Elisha , Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joshua, Marry, the thief on cross, Zachariah, malakiah, Ezra, Habakkuk, john, Mathews etc…. till JC era 2000 years ago Paul, peter, Stephan etc.. my brother give up the list is full just praise the lord because is giving you life till you die. Tcahu

Pastor Kun: They are a false church and their teachings and practises don't conform to the gospel of our lord Jesus christ.

Tisa: I can't help but wonder how nigeria n nigerians will be if we had held on to the religions of our ancestors rather than the two imported religions that has given way to the prevalence or everything bad in our societies.

Tisa: I know we will want to say things like "God forbid" but truly most of the evils happening today would not be happening if people know they will receive instant judgment from the likes of Sango, Ayelala, Ogun, Amadioha etc

Tisa: Imagine a pastor violating an 11yrs old girl in the name of deliverance or the common wasting of lives in the name of money rituals. I know in Yoruba land that if someone was killed unlawfully by another person, the family of the dead can summon the spirit of the dead relative to go torment n kill those that committed such evil against it hence hearing of people being killed in those days was rare but these days the family of the dead will "leave it to God to Judge".

Tisa: I think all this looting by our politicians, robbing of innocent motorists by latsma or is it lastma, ritual killings, religious robbery etc are all common cos the perpetrators know they can ask GOD for forgiveness b4 they die and will be forgiven hence d dead person died in vain.

Tisa: What do u guys think? I think we shd retrace our steps cos it seems these two imported religions doesn't suit us.

Tisa: Please I want us to debate this as matured people. Make ur case with good points and don't let's resort to abusing ourselves. We need to move forward as a people. Since I was a todler people ve been hoping nigeria will get better, praying and fasting and now as old as I am we are still praying and fasting, that's 2 generations o. It shd n MUST stop!

Tisa: Thanks.

ghazzal: That the earth is created in 7 days is not known to science. so it is not valid

cyrexx: Wow. Ever since i read his first post earlier this year, i'd been wishing to meet the guy in person. There is something about him that is magnetic, i just love the brilliant way he defends christianity, i assumed he is a lawyer.

Even though i disagree with his worldview and incidentally most of his posts, he nevertheless, is number one on the list of nairaland members i will like to meet face to face.

Macdaddy, pls tell us more about this wonderful man. Pretty please