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mhm: well I do understand that the doctors would like to defend their colleagues. acceptable.

but what would you expect me to conclude, I had a condition over a period of almost two years, In all I saw 13 separate doctors, including a prof in Luth. some were quick to tell me they had no idea what my problem was, however some others kept on prescribing all sorts of drugs including high doses of cotecosteroids ( forgive me if the spelling is wrong). one of them told me I was getting better by just looking at me with no tests even when I told him that the symptoms were getting worse. another told me that I was cured and had psychological issues : imagining that I was still ill. others were prescribing pain killers, without attacking the cause.

fed up with everything I went abroad, within a week I was diagnosed with cancer, the tumor was massive. to cut a long story short, I am now on the path of recovery after agressive treatment by the powers of GOD. I shudder at the thought of what would have happened if I had continued with the Nigerian doctors.

in all, I understand that we cannot generalize but seriously what do you want someone like me to think?

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This is where training and experience are important. And of course facilities. People have different levels of talent. Not every runner is Usain Bolt.

A major University Hospital in California mis-diagnosed a friend'd advanced stage prostate cancer as kidney stone.
Any medic will know instantly why.

Sure enough they actually found and treated kidney stone. It was a young intern who finally biopsied and diagnosed it correctly when back pain continued. Ok it was a rare type of prostate cancer that the intern had read in a medical journal recently.
It was too late anyway and would have made no difference BUT he would had enough time to put things in order and come to terms with a terminal illness.

Long ago a UK GP prescribed a high dose of blood pressure capsules instead of an anti-inflammatory for my bruised toe. The names of both sounded a bit similar BUT not that similar. I got the drug from the chemist AND the chemist didn't wonder what a young person needed such for. I didn't even check until I was about taking it after Dinner. I was shocked. I grew up with medicines around me and I knew about most common drugs. The chemist tried to fool me that it was ok to use it for bruises and blisters AND wanted me to return them to her. I finally confronted her. She was shocked to see that the dudu boy knows drugs! I learnt about drugs in Naija. If I had taken the drugs, most likely my enemy would not have woken up. They would have connived to make it look like suicide.

As for the Asian GP who prescribed it, I was close to suing him BUT he begged. I thought well, I could be the one making a one-off unfortuate error in the future (God forbid).
Errors happen everywhere everyday.

superior1: Perhaps one of the ills plaguing this country include her teaming numbers of quack doctors. I lost a pregnant relative just last year because the doctor misdiagnosize and administered wrong treatment to her.

Last Friday my daughter started showing symptoms of malaria and we decided to take her to a popular specialist hospital located in Ikeja. The doctor on duty without thinking twice heard my wife's complain and gave our girl malaria treatment. On sunday, we noticed fatigue, lost of appetite, extremely high temperature, difficult breathing and running nose. Over sunday/monday night she couldn't sleep and kept vomiting all her mother was able to give her (including breast milk).

Today (Monday), we took her to the same hospital and was attended to by the same doctor who recommended a dosage of quinine and paracetamol but has my wife was leaving the hospital, she felt led to speak with the pediatrician who was just strolling into the hospital to resume duties. She re-examined our 10month kid and concluded she is with pneumonia and the thing was in advance stage. The girl was immediately placed under admission for critical treatment. If not for God, that quack doctor would have given my family another story to tell.

What is it about quack doctors in Nigeria (I have had friends report their adventure with many, one was even consulting textbook right in front of an acquitance ) is it that our medical schools are producing bad ones or medical students are no longer paying close attention to their lessons?

Sorry about the sweet little baby's illness. Thank God she's responding well.
The doctor is not quack as that would mean he's not qualified.
I think some jobs are left to junior doctors (things seniors ones should be doing) and they haven't yet got the experience. MBBS is not the main thing (as difficult as it is) but the subsequent training under senior doctors and real life clinical experience.

Paediatrics is not easy. In diseases like menningitis and pneumonia, the symptoms can worsen very quickly.

The child might have been recovering from a mild form of malaria (even if parent didn't know) so things like pallor of conjuctiva may have been there. But of course if there was no functioning side-lab to test FBC and do blood smear, it would be a guess work.
When I visited Naija last year, I was discussing with my mrs how many kids had signs of anaemia. She noticed same thing.
The aphorism is "common things first". Your baby's signs were actually consistent with initial diagnosis if there were no respiratory symptoms then.

As for doctors reading book to treat, in the UK, the BNF is on every doctor's table. Drugs, dosage, side effects, contra-indications etc are updated frequently so checking the latest is a good thing.
These days in the West, before patients arrive for appointment, your doctor at John Hopkins in Baltimore might have discussed your case with a top expert at Cedar Sinai for opinion. One at Imperial college London/Chelsea and Westminster Hospital might have contacted a collaegue at Edinburgh Royal Infirmary. All these via video link. The world is a global village and medicine is making use of it too.

A time will come when your doctor at UCH Ibadan first thing in the morning will be seeking the opinion of an expert colleague at Klinikum Grosshadern in Munich and vice versa. Via video link. It will benefit everyone

aarifmistr: No reply on my mail...yet...i hope you are genuine.

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Me too am still waiting for email from A-property.

With some many sad tales everywhere, one has to be careful!

Because they are called prosperity preachers

Burger01: Mostly, papers are incomplete.. I know of two same blood brothers who travelled the uk over 8 years ago. During this period their mum departed and we all thought they would come home for their mum"s burial rites. Believe you me, we did not see either of them. On the said burial day, the elder brother who is my friend called and asked me sebi I know how jand be like nau, that he couldn't just come home like that. I answered sure I knew. Bottom line, no papers to travel come naija come do mum's burial. Visa got expired and he probably apllied for asylum.. Naija people in diaspora, wake up. Come out of your delusions...

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I also know of somebody who couldn't go home because he had exhausted all his annual leave at work and compassionate leave is only 3 days! He had all his papers. Rules have to be followed in some climes.

Your cousins were not the eldest children. Going would have been good though if they were able to. But many other circumstances could have caused it. For example, the waiting list at Naija High Commsion in London for passport processing can be up to 6 or 7 months after online payment! I waited for over 5 months for my daughter's. Except you pay £600 under the table. Meanwhile her British Kpale took 6 days to process. Oyinbo value their citizens.

A friend's elder brother told him not to bother to come for their dad's funeral and should instead add the ticket money to the money he was remitting to Naija for the funeral! I advised to go to Naija and pay khis last respects to his dad because years down the line the senior brother could boast with it that he single-handedly did their father's funeral while you remained abroad. I have seen such cases before.


Home Office (immigration) process of obtaining a residence permit can also take ages in their office. It took someone I know nearly 2 years as they kept asking for more documents. Maybe there were other details e didn't tell me. Meanwhile he had just used his 5 years stay and visited Naija many times.

I know of a youth corper wasn't given leave from camp for her grandmother's burial even in that same Naija. Civil servants in Naija only get a few days compassionte leave.

A friend's father died when his papers were being processed for 5 years stay at immigration. He couldn't go. His mother died five years later while his papers was being processed for indefinite leave (IL). He couldn't go. I guess some people would be saying he's illegal abroad going by your reasoning.

HiiiPower: What's "diasporan?"
I saw more than 50 Nigerian road sweepers on my way from work,
are they also "diasporan?" Life's hard everywhere and we all need
some senses knocked back into our oblong skulls, that we're Nigerians
no matter where we find ourselves.

If you feel "foreign" because you have lived outside Nigeria for a while,
then something is wrong with you. Those from those countries built their countries,
and they will discard you when your services are no longer needed.

Silly Nigerian buffoons!

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Would you prefer them to be fraudsters instead of cleaners?

I know of a Nigerian former cleaner in diaspora who set up business now employing about 6 people in Lagos.

Another street sweeper (with a degree from a top Naija university) was able to save up enough money to build a house, two cars and some money for investment. He has returned to Naija since. I thought he was dreaming when he told of of his plans years earlier.
Those cleaners you see are very determined. There's dignity in labour.

I saw a young Naija lady in my office about a week ago. She arrived in a popular diaspora country just days earlier. Her medical condition was not diagnosed in naija. She is even a relatively well-off person.
She was close to losing her life and pregnancy.

Well, I don't know if what I felt about naija was bitterness or disappointment.

I worked hard in diaspora to fund my education. Back in the day in Naija scholarships were given out based on tribe and who you know. Now should I feel obliged to return to a place that didn't give me the chance to contribute my quota?

I know a lot of people here who keep many bricklayers, service boys, carpenters and many more in employment in Naija. Most people I know here in diaspora have also trained one or two relatives up to university level.
With all humility, I have sent money a few times to save the lives of distant relatives in medical emergencies.

That $10 billion from diaspora annually, is it Somalians, Iraqis or Eskimos who remit it to Naija?

mooriales: @ what rate and what quantity?

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@30 discount, i can consider 8 units of wc and wash hand basin each.

You didn't mention if you supply bath tubs and showers.

dustydee: It is, in my opinion, the South that is not as tolerant as some parts of the North. For example, in my state (NIger) and some states in the North, there are people from different parts of the country that work in the state civil service which is virtually impossible in the south except for Lagos and probably a few south east states. The SS I am pretty sure will not allow me to work in their civil service even if I was born there.

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I don't think you know the South as well as you think.

Take Edo state for example. Evening news on state TV is read in Igbo, Yoruba, Urhobo etc. These are in addition to Bini, Ishan, Etsako etc.
You can turn up in Edo state with any name: Edo, Igbo, Islamic, christian, yoruba and claim to be Edo indigene.

People forget that Benin City was once one of only 5 capital cities in Naija and that meant lots of federal civil servants from all over Nigeria. These people had children who were born and bred there.

do you also supply bath tubs and enclosed showers?
Can you supply them to Benin City and at what price?

As for the WC and wash hand basin, I think I will prefer Twyford. Except of course you can give a considerable discount.

aarifmistr: Can we come over for the inspection? Do u have all the documents ready for scutiny ?
Also is it close to simawa ? Or shagamu bridge.Please send some pics on my mail.
aarifmistry@gmail.com

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Same here.
email:

pithasmen@yahoo.com

gbadexy: I suspect you are a first born! You don't need to take it serious or personal.
It happens but the statistics was exaggerated.
I even doubt the part where they said big men and children were crying. How many father would take their grown up children for paternity test or how many married couples would do it for grown children except where a guy wants to come and claim the child from the father.
I doubt the post though but this things happen.

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Quite possible for grown up people to come for test in finding cure for a serious illness:
(i) leukaemia
(ii) kidney disease like before going to India for a transplant

Or a wealthy man hearing rumours years later that his only son might not be his biologically

HiiiPower: The only sensible post on this thread. Only a blinkered gaffer
will disagree with your post. Trust a Nigerian woman and die young.
Even the church rats are not left out of this viral deadly/promiscuous equation.

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But come o. Why is it now that just about every Naija person is a deacon/deaconess or alhaji/hajia that we are on the slippery slope of moral decay in such a bewildering way?

Have we lost the plot completely?
Is there a need for complete re-orientation?

Can we prosper long term if we destroy the essence of the oldest institution in the world (family)?

I know a few guys married to some really effing w.hores I'd never touch with a barge pole! Ignorance is bliss.

Men are virtually mugu anyway. Only by the Grace of God.

hisblud: my little baby girl was admitted at the hospital, and had low blood count and i was informed she was b+ and so was i which i donated. Will knowing my blood group be good enough or i must still do a dna test

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Blood group is not enough. DNA test is your best bet.

Only 30%? I would have expected it to be more. That's just national average. In certain towns and professions, it might be up to 70%!!

Women always chop and clean mouth.

Can someone tell me the cost of the following in Benin city:

Wood for nogging

3x4
3x2
2x4
2x2
Bag of nail: 3" and 4"

A square metre of 0.35 guage AND 0.45 guage aluminium longspan sheets

ouagadougou: The hatred for Nigerians isn't just in Malawi but in Africa as a whole.
The sooner Nigerians realize they're not the top dogs in Africa the better.

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people hate America in many places, it doesn't mean America is not top dog. Anytime there is trouble anywhere, everybody want US to send soldiers even those burning US flag now.

Any trouble in Africa, everybody want Naija to send soldiers.

I remember Ethiopia some years back requesting 60 professors to help them start new universities. They got 60 profs.

A Nigerian prof helped Gambia set up a medical school only for them to refuse to pay agreed fees. He had to go to court. Now they thank the West for it.

ouagadougou: Question is: why didn't Jonathan request visa-free travel with Mali?

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Mali is part of ECOWAS, if you know what that means without googling.

CyberG: Keep deceiving yourself. Did you ever read enough to discover a body called Transparency International? Go and read their rankings. Then, read the UN HDI publications and match the two documents to deduce objectively where Nigeria stands - not even empirical evidence here but from data gathered about the countries. Finally think for a second, per 100,000; would a sample 160 M+ population or a 2 M population carry the day? Again read your history, Nigeria has been on the decline since the 70's and if any improvement ever occurred, it was between 1999-2007; meanwhile most other countries on Nigeria's level in the 70s have gone past: Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, etc. Or that doesn't mean anything to you still?

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Quite clearly you have no knowledge of scientific or statistical analysis. Otherwise you would know that number per 100,000 population makes comparison easy irrespective of the population of a country. Many people just make comment here with very limited grasp.

If there are 4 murders per 100,000 population per year in Malawi and there's 1.5 per 100,000 in Naija, then Malawi has more murders EVEN if TOTAL murders in naija may be more than in Malawi. Let's call it prevalence.

Did Transparency International also consider British MPs inflating their expenses and the Millions of pounds of corrupt money changing hands in British-Saudi Arabia weapons deal? Did they consider a sitting governor in Illinois trying to sell the senatorial seat vacated by Obama or how Bernard Maddoff managed to do 50 billion dollar pyramid scam and everyone looking away?

Having spent decades among Westerners (education, work, social life), I do not worship them like you.
you cannot compare S. Korea (highly homogeneous & about 30% Naija population), Malaysia about 16.5% our population, Singapore 3% our population.

How can they not do better when each country has a majority language/culture? Don't pretend you don't know that Nigeria's huge diversity and 50/50 christian/muslim thing have been major challenges.

OP,

It seems you are having second thoughts or even afraid of commitment. Something women usually accuse men of.

I also think that your guy hasn't made it enough yet and in your opinion, he may seem not to have the potential to achieve the kind of status you expect your future husband to have.

Years from now you will have JD after your name. What will he have? Yes people can be that shallow and you are not alone. So be sincere to yourself and your guy. If you want to shop around first and make him your back-up, fine.

If you don't love him with all your heart, don't go into it just because he loves you. It will hurt everyone long term. The guy deserves a guy who equally loves him irrespective of his current stage in life.

I lived apart from my girl way longer than you guys have, and she didn't even have the right to visit at will. I never even thought of cheating one day despite a few temptations.

Nigerians should sometimes count their blessings.
Things are tough sometimes but Nigerians are extremely resilient. Ultimately the fittest survive and thrive. Nigerians survive.

Nigerians openly voice their dissapointment because our parents tell us how good life was in the 60s, 70s to even mid-80s.
Luckily we know that we have not maximally utilised our potentials and resources.


Perhaps that puts us psychologically ahead of some countries who think they have done great. The first step to solving a problem is to identify and to admit that there is one.

It's time we stopped doing "big man" outside and channelled our resources to national growth and welfare of citizens.

The likes of Fashola, Oshiomhole etc have shown that good leaders can be occasionally thrown up by an otherwise murky political scene.

What Nigeria is going through now in the hands of fellow Africans is quite new.

When Nigeria finally rises from its current "Dornroeschen schlaefchen", we shouldn't become father christmas dashing money and scholarships like we did to South Africans during apartheid.

In fact we should start reviewing cheap crude oil agreements with other African countries especially those that have now found oil in sellable quantities. We need the money badly too.

We should stop shouldering Ecomog load, we need our soldiers in Maiduguri. It's not like they show any appreciation.

CyberG: You may be right in some of your comments BUT they have VERY legitimate reasons and not the BS you have focused up there ^^. The point is this a good name is better than silver and gold but you are implying the reverse. All the riches of natural and human resources and our diversity is completely irrelevant with a perpetually inept and CORRUPT leadership. Nigerian leadership and leading Nigerian companies rank off the scale in corruption, NO COUNTRY will ignore that 'cos it trumps all the other points you made. I have traveled to a lot of countries, lived in more places than you, carry a passport of a country that does not require a visa in almost any other country and I can tell you the experience of a Nigerian passport holder is different. Get real, if everyone thinks something is wrong with Nigeria, your own single (or partisan minority) opinion is of no consequence. I, as a Nigerian, state honestly that Nigeria is corrupt, inept, and bandies the most useless set of leaders that ever existed anywhere on this planet - except a very, very few of them!

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Is there any country that is not corrupt especially in Africa? Sure enough we haven't shown good leadership in Africa. We should have done better. But corruption is common all over Africa.
The difference is that every Nigerian is a critic. Every Nigerian has an opinion about government failure and openly express it. Other Africans think saying so about their country means lack of patriotism.

Is there any emperical evidence that murder/theft/violation/bribery per 100,000 population in Nigeria is more than that of Malawi for example? NO.

Other Africans have to be naturally weary of domination by Nigeria. It is basic instinct to feel threatened by an imposing figure. Other smaller countries often attack Nigeria as self-defence.
The boisterous, confident nature of Nigerians is secretely admired by most but openly portrayed as arrogance. Girls particularly like it.

zeefa: Story story, STORY..imagine, is he d first on d track 4 doing that! Wonder shall never end in naija. I guess he isn't among the cabals! Am sure if he is.. Wow, dis would have bn swept unda d carpet! Imagine! 16M! O ga o! Moreover, I dnt kw how those ppl managing police think! They ain't organize at all, luk @ police barracks around the country, jst like d likes of Ajegunle! No maintenance, no propare monitoring of police patrol vehicle! Everytin na jagajaga! What else do u expect of them! I ont think any1 of them cld beat his or her chest that they have never for one reason involve into one corruption or the other! Let us call a spade a spade! And clear d road! All of them are corrupt! May God help this country sha! E go better!
Dnt be surpiz to hear soon dat he is out of jail! Naija 4 live!

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He didn't steal enough to bribe his way out.

He might have just used that 16m to chop pepper soup with some babes.

Who goes to jail these days for embezzlement in Nigeria?? He should seek advice from Bank-Ole, Farook and even the prison prayer warrior called Ibori. Justice Marcel Awokulehin is there too.

The difference is really clear here......quality. Don Vic it seems you're making no compromise at all. Top job.

It would be nice to know who did your noggings. I know Agen supplied your longspan alu roof. Our little development in Benin is getting to that stage.

Thanks a lot for this thread. Even the Mrs knows one or two things about building now because of this thread and those of Brabus, Spyder & Oluwa Champion/Am Alone.

vitodorado: @Maclovington. Before answering your question, i need to know if your development is in Benin city.

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Yes it's in Benin.

vitodorado: @NL1960 The 421k does not include the burglary proof but only for the powder coated aluminum windows and mosquito net. While my burglary windows cost 82k.

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More grease Don Vic. Nice to see you back.

Where did you source your alu coated windows from? Who did your nogging and how much?

We are gradually getting to that stage now with our little hut.

[quote author=Frank-C]Talking about cutting cost, why not scrap the House of Reps, afterall they are more in number, less mature and less productive than the Senate.[/quote].

If there is only The House, mature people will automatically precipitate there too. There will be more competition to be a rep.

More in number means each member represents a smaller number of people and IN THEORY make governance closer to the people.

An expensive duplication of function is unaffordable. OBJ has said it before.

BUSH MAN: how do we know this is not another nigerian con (419), with all the money and rich friends she must have made,they should be able to help her

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Naija is a very expensive place. A lot of people live above their means (not saying she does) and being a star costs money. Then you have family responsibilities if your relatives are not rich.

Laalamed: Why india for kidney translant?can it be done in oauthc,ibadan,st nicholas hospital etc.it does not make sense.

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Good question. But it's not moin moin unless you know what you are doing. Our leaders don't know what they are doing so here we are.

The first time I saw a kidney transplant I was amazed that it was relatively easy WITH a lot of training of course.

Even almost simultaneous operations take only a few hours.
A live donor first undergoes surgery to remove one kidney and the sick person is then immediately operated on and the donated kidney is put in the abdominal cavity.

You don't remove the bad kidney(s), you just add a good one. It's a bit like plumbing job! And then use drugs to suppress immune system to avoid organ rejection.

I wonder why parents, daughters, sons, husbands etc don't donate kidney to sick loved ones in need of a kidney in Naija. Everybody just dey form christian for nothing. I heard that dialysis can cost over 150k a month in naija.

Is the land in question at Kobape located in Abeokuta proper/surburb?

So that we know it's not remotely Lagos if that's the case. 50 minutes from Berger at what speed? At peak traffic time or when the road is less busy?

Money for hand, back for ground. That has never been truer.