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Does it occur to the name checkers that

1. birthplace and state of origin can - and are often - different
2. the name might be forged. As in, that's not her real name.

Regardless, big props to Oyo state for showing initiative. Her birth city is shown as Ibadan, so the state swung into action.

WaleRock:
These ideas are borne out of a President desperately seeking to explore all ideas that may just help...

Most of us would've been constricted into a tight corner as to hide from opposition news agencies in order to be found flawless at all times. This man is the boldest President in recent history.
He's obviously not given to political correctness which most other national leaders are inflicted with.

His suggestion are pretty flawed. But then, look at him again in another light, he asked the expert openly and the press were there.

I refuse to allow the press determine narratives for me with which to engage the world.

TRUMP DID NOT SAY THAT, PLEASE!

And his critics, including I, say it's better not to "desperately seek to explore any ideas that may just help" in a public conference, asking questions to a medical expert who is obviously:
1. hearing these questions for the first time
2. incredulous at the suggestions.

I saw the conference; I reviewed his comments; I also came to the same conclusion that the conjectures and explorations could be construed by a great number (ironically, most of his fervent fans) to mean: "try a bit of lysol/bleach/dettol... or expose yourself to tremendous doses of UV... it just might help."

dokyOloye:
You need to understand president Trump is not a health professional and was speaking offhandedly, not like your president whose prepared and edited speeches are always being read.
Now,as a lay man,he is correct even in that context. After all,same UV light is used to sterilize/disinfect hospital equipments.

Fair enough. I understand that... many people understand that.
However, please understand too that people have taken his offhanded comments and done things they shouldn't.
And to avoid stories that touch, based on recent events, the manufacturer of Lysol felt compelled to say:

"As a global leader in health and hygiene products, we must be clear that under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route),"

nextstep:
Some people's hero. Implying that people drink dangerous substances that the manufacturer explicitly says: "don't ingest... but if you do, drink tons of water or go to hospital"... just insane.

Of course, he will blame the media for it, or blame the manufacturers, or try to fire one of his staff to deflect the backlash.

dokyOloye:
Oga,next time,try to read d full article.
Don't disgrace your lineage by posting this type of comment for the whole world to see.

I'm not sure why you're mocking my comment. He did say, and I quote from the dialog:

"Supposing we hit the body with tremendous ultraviolet or very powerful light"
"I've seen the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute... do something like that, like injection inside..."

I think any reasonable person would get that he's implying we should look into whether
1. subjecting people to relatively dangerous levels of UV; or
2. injecting people with disinfectant
would work.

And it's quite appropriate for those who know better to immediately shut down this dangerous implication. Manufacturers of disinfectants, and medical experts immediately denounced these suggestions, since there are people who can start doing things because of what Trump said/implied. Knowing Americans, they'd probably sue Lysol after their family member died from injecting/ingesting their products.

Just as it was implied that chloroquine could work against the virus... and soon after there were reports of people poisoned from overdoses of chloroquine.

It's best not to make any suggestions unless they have been proven and approved by the regulatory bodies assigned to test and determine efficacy and side effects.

I remember when ebola was raging and people suggested salt baths, silver oxide, and other ridiculous remedies. When I tried to caution people not to use these, I was accused severally of denying people hope. To which I replied:

"it's better for people to know there's no current solution, than to be misled into believing in things that have not been proven to work, and therefore put themselves and others at acute danger"

abbey621:
I'm not doubting the man talks like a 6 year old and he himself said he is no doctor but Trump will be Trump, everyone knows this by now. Once again common sense is not common. If anyone told you to drink bleach and you did, doctor or president then you're freaking stupid!

Furthermore looking at the two quotes, why would you automatically reason that disinfectant means lysol/bleach instead of light? Are we so gullible as humans to forget context? Because to me disinfectant means to get rid of infection or to cure and that could mean medicine, light, bleach etc.

Well, apparently the makers of disinfectant, learned scientists, and many people in the medical community also automatically reasoned that disinfectant means lysol/bleach. We generally don't use the word disinfectant to imply UV... even in context (and tend to say UV sterilization), but I suppose all of us in these fields are gullible as humans to forget context. I'll leave it at that.

No NEPA anymore. Solar all they way.

Some miscreants came a while back, threatening to cut my wires, I said: do you see any wires entering this house anywhere?

dermmy:
For intelligence gathering and the ability to guide intercontinental ballistic missiles to their target in the near future if they are ready to build them. As world powers are eyeing the outer space for power projection regional actor like Iran does not want to be left out.

So they can bomb airliners without being certain about what they're targeting? Anyways, every country has a right to defend themselves and pursue their interests.

Perocom:
This man didn't mean they should inject humans with disinfectant, speaking like a layman, if experts said the virus dies quickly under sunlight or when in contact with disinfectant, why not follow the same trend and do something that would act like the disinfectant does and inject same into human bodies to get same results, of course any suggestions must be clinically tested before administration. His statement is literally, he is helpless as it stands now, anything that would bring solutions he will accept wholeheartedly, Americans are dieing in thousands and science is unable to find
solutions.

abbey621:
Except the man never said disinfectant like spray or bleach, he was talking about using light to disinfect the body, this treatment while unproven or untested is certainly a possibility that should be
looked at for crucial cases especially since warmer regions are showing more resistance to the virus than colder ones. The way the opening post was written suggested he was talking about your household
disinfectants like Dettol or something.

His quotes:
"Supposing we hit the body with tremendous ultraviolet or very powerful light"
"I've seen the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute... do something like that, like injection inside..."

Upon hearing the phrase "disinfectant"... most people will reach for bleach and dettol.
Did you know that a ton of bacteria and viruses die in the sun or upon exposure to disinfectants on surfaces? We might as well stop making medicines, because, you know, "we can just inject people with dettol since it acts the same way"

If a leader is helpless, it's far better to say: "the medical community is working hard on a solution", and leave it at that, rather than give the impression he has any clue what he's talking about to save face - while potentially exposing people to hazards.

bakescos01:
He was just suggesting and not implementing. Your president don’t even have any idea in his head to suggest and you people don’t call him names.

Oh, we call our president names all the time; particularly as he says too little, giving the impression he does not care. When he does deign to give a speech, there's very little real content of value.

Potentially dangerous suggestions are better left unsaid. The medial community and manufactures understand this and have issues warnings - because they know there are people who will take these suggestions at face value and implement them.

A president who understands his people would not make medically-unsound suggestions.

shachris02:
Im referring to UV injection which could also be seen as UV bombardment. Below are definitions of injection. Check no 3.

Fair enough, though I protest that quote 3 is a figure of speech, and that when people hear inject in medical context... that's not what they have in mind.

shachris02:
Nobody is saying that UV is not dangerous. But that has not stopped it from being used as a form of treatment for cancer.

Trump was merely seeking clarification from the medical experts and reporting what they are trying.

He never asked people to start using UV disinfectant as a Corona virus treatment.

Fair enough. He never asked people to start using UV... he merely made public remarks conjecturing whether it would be feasible.

His quotes:
"Supposing we hit the body with tremendous ultraviolet or very powerful light"
"I've seen the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute... do something like that, like injection inside..."

There are people across the world, including here in Nigeria, that would take his supposing at face value and say: "you know what, let me try it out... since he's thinking about it"

Thankfully, the medical community and manufacturers know their people better, and have made public statements saying people should not ingest or inject.

shachris02:
Wait you don't know UV lights are injected or what? Okay I'm teaching you. UV lights are injected during cancer treatment. Use Google.

I don't believe the correct word is "injected".

"Bombarded with", or "exposed to", UV light. Unless you're implying that
a - UV light is put into "UV syringes" and then injected; or
b - tiny tubes are embedded into the skin, and UV light is shone through them

But my understanding of phototherapy is that its use is limited to conditions where the light can reach (e.g. your skin).


If you were referring to photodynamic therapy, here's an explanation from cancer.org

Photodynamic therapy (PDT) is a treatment that uses special drugs, sometimes called photosensitizing agents, along with light to kill cancer cells. The drugs only work after they have been activated or “turned on” by certain kinds of light. PDT may also be called photoradiation therapy, phototherapy, or photochemotherapy.

Depending on the part of the body being treated, the photosensitizing agent is either put into the bloodstream through a vein or put on the skin. Over a certain amount of time the drug is absorbed by the cancer cells. Then light is applied to the area to be treated. The light causes the drug to react and form a special kind of oxygen molecule that kills the cells. PDT might also help by destroying the blood vessels that feed the cancer cells and by alerting the immune system to attack the cancer.

In this second case, you'd need a drug that can combat the virus in the first place (UV activated or not).

Weeliweeli:
Trump clearly mentioned UV rays , a know disinfectant...and injection. UV rays are injected into the body as a disinfectant during cancer treatment through a process called Phototherapy.

And when the public hear: "disinfect", "inject"... they are most likely to interpret to mean liquid.

I'm yet to hear of any phototherapy that targets viruses, especially the ones that make lungs their home.

Please, let's stop defending nonsense conjecture.

Of course, he will come next conference and accuse the "false media" of twisting his words... forgetting that there are many of his supporters who would take his ideas at face value and equally misinterpret them.

shachris02:
I know some Mimi would bring this thing here.

Trump was talking about UV light acting as a disinfectant.

He also talked about "disinfectant... by injecting"... which implies a liquid, not light.

When most people hear disinfectant, what comes to mind are the liquids (lysol, bleach, dettol, etc.). That fact prompted manufacturers to issue warnings not to ingest their products.

And anybody who's gone to school would understand that UV is actually quite dangerous. You don't even need to go to school anymore; just google or wiki subject matter - take time to read opposing views; and ask your experts first; before conjecturing or suggesting in a public meeting.

UV kills bacteria and viruses, as well as human cells. Maybe he will blame scientist for publishing "fake science" once more.

pawesome:
at least he comes up with one or two useless ideas...there is someone that has no idea what it is

Giving useless, harmful ideas is foolish and quite dangerous.

It's far better to say to people: "I don't have any clue", than to pretend you know what you're talking about when your advice or mere conjecture will kill people who believe you.

I like this comment from Greg Thornton on youtube: "He's right though. If you inject yourself with disinfectant, I guarantee you will not die from Covid-19..."

Some people's hero.
Implying that people drink dangerous substances that the manufacturer explicitly says: "don't ingest... but if you do, drink tons of water or go to hospital"... just insane.

Of course, he will blame the media for it, or blame the manufacturers, or try to fire one of his staff to deflect the backlash.

ARTtitude:
Wait these guys are actually armed? Issokay amotekun ko, small time now ma to dey harass citizen go become their modus operandi. Useless country

omoiyamayor:
baseless comment.

How is this baseless? Every single category of Nigerian with small authority begins to abuse it...
even those "stay home task force" with ordinary koboko... they started whipping and chasing people around.

It's only a matter of time.

Munzy14:
Imo state money...

chatinent:
Imo state people's sweat as a hotel.

Not condoning polithiefcians, but to be real - building hotels here employs people - builders, hotel staff, security, etc... so in a way it's recycling the public money back to (a smaller number of) the public.

At least our thieves are getting wise - if you put money in bank abroad nowadays, it can get confiscated at any freaking time. But if you build locally... there are strings you can pull to retain the property.

I agree they should start building world-class hospitals too... but the profit margins are way higher in hotels. Plus, people typically settle hotel bills right away. Not those who will be owing the hospital for months. I wonder if the current pandemic will start them in this direction.

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Sigh... would be nice to see a thread about women earning their own money, and living the life of their dreams, based on their own efforts - not because they're bound to a "responsible, wealthy man"

So your advice is: "don't sleep with married men because if you do, some girl will sleep with your husband"

What about all the girls who never slept with married men, but whose husband still cheated?

I don't think karma has shit to do with anything.

...because the poor and vulnerable are the ones who go through the trouble of getting bvn, paying fees, maintenance charges, etc. right?

Oga, please no vex... the previous COS was your age or older. Our ambassador to US is 85 or thereabouts, and they both liked getting up at 8am :-)

This IGP seems to be the most proactive we've had in decades...

So we're just going to sit here and ignore the fact that:

1 - na Naija person enter herself into human trafficking willingly
2 - na Naija person tell am sey make e enter (maybe na di boyfriend sef)
3 - the girl get family wey suppose report am, but as long as dey share inside the money, dem no go talk
4 - na Naija govament frustrate person sotey dem go enter dis kin tin

But OK, let's blame only the Lebanese guy...

People are saying: you will have no life in those countries...
Do they have lives inside this country?


*NOTE: I'm not condoning it at all, but one cannot see lopsided accusations and only focus on that.
All that will happen is: instead of posting it on twitter, trafficking will continue to be done under the covers.

There's no problem employing people to give them jobs, but what gov't should be doing is seeing how to enable SME companies, so they can hire people to be productive. Gov't is trying, but what happens when Ayade is no longer on ground? Over 500 people will become jobless (and another set will come to eat at the table)

All of them eating from taxpayer's money (and increasing gov't salary obligations), instead of running productive companies.

And what do awon boys do with the money? Flex in club, flex women, fly to Dubai.

Yoruba amaka.

Everybody amaka who's doing well, working hard, and doing their best, in spite of FGN.
I'm not against or for any particular administration, but I sha know that in totality, Nigerian Federal Government could have done better for its people over the past 60 years.

Ade3131:
USA have allot of individual or private researchers compared to most part of the world. The truth about COVID-19 is gradually beginning to unravel itself to the American people. Someone from the US shared a YouTube link with me and after watching and listening to the Doctor, I tell you there's so many questions than answers regarding this CoronaVirus. I will drop the link here for you guys to listen. It's a big eye opener for those who can reason for themselves.

You can't have a country with people with high level intellect like US and expect them to follow govt. orders without questioning the rationale behind those directives. Dr. Fauchi and the Gates family have some serious questions to answer.

There was a time, some "doctors" said smoking was not bad for you; it was not addictive; that it was a conspiracy theory.
There was a time (and there are still) some "doctors" who say human activity is not a cause of climate change.
Doctors once believed that illness was caused by foul air, thus the concept of microscopic infectious agents (bacteria) was ridiculous and a conspiracy so all these new pharmaceutical would have a scared public and a product to sell.
People once believed (and some stubbornly still do) that the Earth is flat, and any talk of a globe was a ridiculous conspiracy by the government or some other group of invisible agencies.

People are dying of an infectious virus that humans have not yet built immunity/antibodies against. Fact. People are advised to stay home to avoid getting sick and spreading it. It's quite simple, and doesn't need theories or too much thinking.

If people need something to keep their minds off the news, read some old novels, not random thoughts and ruminations on the 'Net.

https://www.history.com/news/cigarette-ads-doctors-smoking-endorsement

dominusgai:
Sir, right now the medical evidence for the lockdown is actually losing it's strength day by day.

All the doctors are coming out to say they greatly exaggerated the death rate, and it would never have gotten to that even without the lockdown.

That's funny... how bad did it get in New York, Washington, Italy? Are people saying that the death rate would have been less without a lock down in those three places? I don't know what "greatly exaggerated" means in this context.

In the US alone, (from today's Wikipedia), there have been 799,515 cases; 42,897 deaths; 73,373 recoveries.
You see how deaths is over 50% of recoveries? Implying there's a lot more deaths coming, since there are over 500,000 cases yet unresolved (either in death or recovery).

Did you read how around 500 people died in NY in 24 hours for days during the peak? Body bags and frozen trucks for dead bodies? Assume people were allowed to continue mingling... we could easily be reading about 1000+ dying daily... Of course, people who are now saying "they greatly exaggerated" will be blaming healthcare workers and the government for "not taking it seriously enough".

Take a look at the graphs on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019-20_coronavirus_pandemic#Epidemiology
Notice the slope of the graphs, depicting the increasing rate of infections? Notice how it's slowing after the restrictions? (Most are in semi-log scale; now imagine if the plot was a linear scale)

171,249 deaths worldwide "greatly exaggerated"? And this is with stringent restrictions in place. I fail to see how it would have been better without those restrictions that have saved countless lives.

Americans are funny: "give me liberty or death; no government interference in our lives; laissez-faire business economics."
The second trouble comes, you see them: "we need stimulus checks; government should spend more on Medicaid; give us business grants and bailouts; quantitative easing and bond purchase"

Can never satisfy people.
Americans who refuse to save their income in times of plenty (average savings rate under 4%) - despite being some of the richest people on Earth - are now in need of bailouts because of no work for 3 weeks. Save in case of times like these, so you can stay at home to save your life...

Staphylococcus:
A leader needs to be proactive and have open ears to experts. He is not a man of all trade. That's the failures of Trump.
He downplayed, underated and still boasted about preparedness. At first hit, America caved in.
This same America warned Israel in November about this pandemic and ignored the reports for economic gains.
And price all Americans have to pay.

That's the hard part... half the population would have been unhappy either way. People are protesting now in spite of the strong medical evidence for lockdown. They certainly would have howled louder if the lockdown was imposed earlier.

Based on information available in February, there was general consensus by America's health professionals that it would not get so bad, and could be contained. Partly because the numbers from Wuhan did not turn out so bad (which we're now realizing was... not the whole truth, to be nice about it). The business community insisted on running, people insisted on traveling, and economists warned that shutting down things prematurely might be worse for the country... if he ran counter to that, the American public would have had his head.

OK, so it happened and the bottom fell out: in response, unprecedented support to individuals, businesses, economic sectors. They tried.

Not a fan of Trump, but honestly, no leader can navigate this issue unscathed. He isn't helping matters by aggravating anybody and everyone who does not kowtow to him, but man... it's just tough.

It must be really hard to be a leader:
if you don't lock down and people die, you get blamed.
if you lock down and people remain healthy enough to protest, you stilll get blamed.