₦airaland Forum

Just behold the way INEC is fooling itself by acting as an unimportant appendage of the APC...

The way blogger and journalists dubiously twist information needs to be studied.

zeenaman:
Personal opinion:

The relationship between cars and Petrol is complementary in nature. Complementary in the sense that, one is needed to augment the other, just like garri and kulikuli.

Going by basic economics principle, there is an inverse price relationship between complementary goods i.e an increase in the price of one results in decrease in the demand for the other. With this, it is conceivable that with increase in the price of petroleum, there will be less demand for cars, hence result in price crash occasioned by excess supply over demand.

Also, from the angle of the Federal government, the rich benefit more from the subsidy. People with ten cars will now find it unfunny fueling the convoy, and this may result in selling off some of the vehicles. This should further increase the supply of cars and drive down the price.

Let's talk about this, do you see the price of cars crashing? Let's leave out the Nigerian factor, corruption and base our argument on fact.

Let's leave out the Nigerian factor? But that's the most important bit which controls and distorts everything else. In Nigeria, no law of economics works; the only prevailing law in Nigeria is the Nigerian factor! .. In otherwords, no price is coming down!

NOETHNICITY:
You are a brilliant mind no doubt. But do you sincerely believe that the spirit of the constitution wants compulsory 25% electoral requirement for the FCT before someone can be declared winner?

It's not about what the authors of the constitution intended, its not even about what makes sense; it's more about what's written in the constitution.

Oh yes, the 25% requirement in the FCT doesnt make any sense; I had this very discussion on this forum right before the election on the impropriety of that "25% in FCT" requirement... there're also many provisions in the constitution that just make no sense. The authors of the constitution may have intended something else, but the language used in the document clearly says something else.

Zico5:
We will see who is ignorant at the end. Tinubu will rule u for eight years then power goes back to North. As for ur Obi, he has laboured in vain

Whatever the court chooses to rule and whether Tinubu rules for 4, 8 or 16 years, it doesnt change the fact that you're the empty headed olodo who was confusing 1999 constitution for 1 man's opinion.

Zico5:
Majority of obidients are nothing but empty heads. We are talking of what's written in the constitution and not one man's opinion. I have never heard about 25% in federal or state capital in my life and the way they are pushing this issue shows they are pure garbage. Thank God it's their opinion and not what the constitution say. In 1979, when Lagos was the federal capital, Awolowo won Lagos with landslide but Shagari was pronounced the president cos he scored the majority votes. Let see how this goes, but I know they have failed already

You say "we are talking what's written in the constitution and not one man's opinion." So within the limits of your understanding, the 1999 constitution is one man's opinion?.... You've just exposed yourself as the empty headed illiterate you talk about.

LagosFirstSon:
I remembered how former president Muhammadu Buhari media aide, Femi adesina used to castigate the Igbos at any given opportunity just because he wanted to please Buhari. But today, Buhari is no more to employ him and guess what, An Igbo man has employed Femi adesina in his newspaper company as vice chairman. The name of the Igbo man is his Excellency, the former governor of Abia state and a high ranking serving senator of the federal republic of Nigeria, Mr Uzor Orji Kalu.


This life is so unpredictable .. so we must all be careful not to offend the Igbos because one way or the other, they will save your ass .

Hmm.. How did Feni Adesina hate Igbos?

Merry100:
Even though I had to follow certain doctrines when I was younger, I have come to question some of them as they cannot be proven through the Bible. I am particularly curious about where the Bible specifically forbids wearing earrings. My parents are devout Christians, and they did not even pierce my ears, let alone allow me to wear earrings. However, one day I felt like wearing an earring, so I put on a magnetic earring and went out. Later in that day, I attended a Church program a friend invited me but when I got to the Church, I was asked to remove my earring or leave.

I am not trying to shade Christianity, not all Churches treat visitors that way, I was even surprised at the way I was treated that day. I am just specifically curious about where God condemned earring in the Bible? I accept that all Churches have their own doctrines but some of these Churches still use there doctrines to rate Christians from other Churches. Is wearing earring a sin or just some Church doctrines? I can't find any verse in the Bible that condemns earring. If you know any please indicate.

Different churches have different doctrines which they practice. Doctrines dont necessarily have to be direct commandments from the bible; they could just be cultural practices adopted by a group of worshippers; e.g. some churches choosing to wear white flowing garments every sunday.

The logic is simple, if you dont feel comfortable doing that, there's thousands of other churches who dont practice the doctrine which you find uncomfortable.

Success1981:
Whether he is using strong voodoo on the various leaderships or they are part of the business. Nigeria's democracy has been so far created for Dangote because I remembered in 1999 when Obasanjo banned importation of cement and gave Dangote full monopoly of cement distribution and this is how subsequent administrations have been working for him aside Yaradua.
Just 2/3 days in the opening of Dangote refinery and this is what we get.

Oh yes, subsidy has been removed for Dangote as you claim; but was the offer not open to everyone?..... Dangote simply knows how and when to take the bull by the horn. You cant keep hating a smart acheiver.

During the early OBJ days, the FG came up with the cement import substitution policy. Cement importers at the time were mandated to setup local manufacturing plants within a period of some years. Upon expiration of the time period, only those who heeded and showed evidence of setting up local production plants would have their import licenses renewed. Dangote of course jumped in on this and started with Obajana cement plant in 2005. As expected, his import license was renewed while several others fell off the grid, heralding the start of his monopoly... Can you really blame Dangote for being a smart man?

Then regarding fuel; since 1999, successive federal administrations have been begging and begging investors to come set up refineries and hundreds of licenses have been issued sonce 1999. Of course the import substitution policy still exists, i.e. only those who have capacity and who refine locally will retain a license to import. But once again, businnessmen shied away from building refineries for decades, citing the concerns that non-deregulation of the downstream sector would make the refining business unprofitable. Again, successive federal govts promised time and time again to fully deregulate once local refining capacity comes up. Despite this, businessmen remained skeptical and chose to stick with petroleum importation which brings easy, quick and low risk money.

Dangote of course dared to take the path which most businessmen regarded as 'foolish' by investing in a refinery. Now as history is about to repeat itself again (in a massive way), haters have started gathering in whatsapp groups.

juvewalex:
He didn't explain why local production won't reduce fuel price , if you're producing in Nigeria, will there still be a landing cost ?

Nigeria government is never straight forward in dealing with its citizens.

Na still corruption be this anyways.

I was trying to explain this to someone just yesterday. Dangote refinery can't automatically reduce petrol prices. Yes local production could lower the pump price, but not enough to give us 'cheap' fuel cos the total landing cost of petrol isnt made up of just the import logistic component.... There's also the raw material cost and then the massive exchange rate issue.

At the current cost of N500+, local production could probably push the price down to around N400, but that can happen only if the refining was by NNPC. Knowing who Dangote is, he'd want to make a decent profit.

Over time however, local production would translate to massive forex savings and excess forex would mean strengthening of the Naira. When the Naira strenghtens to about the N360/$ level, then perhaps pump prices would drop to about N300 (this should be about a year after Nigeria stops importing fuel).

Redoil:
Tinubu once opposed subsidy removal during GEJ administration when cost of living was relatively cheap. His party is in government for the past eight years and they didn't build any refinery. The masses will suffer it the more now his party has removed subsidy in the midst of suffering.
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Same way when the past regime of President Goodluck Jonathan wanted to remove and rid Nigeria of this economic monster 13 years ago, but all you demons in the APC vehemently opposed him only to perpetuate the same fraudulent fuel subsidy then lied of removing it again and again. Bunch of fucktards and retards.

and as for you posting this clip carry your broom go filling station and shout emilokan and see the amount of biscuit that will fill your jerrycan

Are some of you not tired of this delibrate falsehood? Was it only ApC that opposed subsidy removal in 2012? ... All the people who protested all over the states in Nigeria in 2012 and even during the times when OBJ tried to remove subsidy, were they also APC?

Can you swear on your life and the lives of your family members that you supported the sudden 120% increase in pump prices from N65 to N142 in 2012?

nairalanda1:
I've been on Nairaland for a while. Supporting subsidy removal gets you abuse. Explaining it gets you abuse. I can't even say i support it and haven't been able to since 2011.

It gets tiring at times.

I'm not necessaril referring to you; I believe you when you say you supported it. But my point is that 99% of those claiming they supported subsidy removal in 2012 and claiming that it was 'APC' that fought it are just bloody liars!

Redoil:
Same way when the past regime of President Goodluck Jonathan wanted to remove and rid Nigeria of this economic monster 13 years ago, but all you demons in the APC vehemently opposed him only to perpetuate the same fraudulent fuel subsidy then lied of removing it again and again. Bunch of fucktards and retards.

Bobloco:
Don't mind those hypocrites

We have not forgotten the accompanying protests Tinubu and his ilks sponsored....Occupy Nigeria protests

Can you guys swear on your lives and the lives of your family members that in January 2012 you supported the sudden removal of subsidy and embraced the consequent 120% hike in pump price from N65 to N142?

Funny how 13 years later, everyone now claims they supported fuel price hike in 2012 and that people who complained were 'APC' members.

nairalanda1:
They probably did. Back then you could not say it publicly.Even supporting subsidy removal now gets one labelled an oppressor.

Even me, ever since the early 1990's , I just parroted the same thing our radical elders parroted. Subsidy must stay, and the IMF is evil.

Until I actually sat down in 2011, and read up on subsidy. Have been reading since, and the more I read, the more I am opposed.

Who's going to label you an oppressor for explaining the benefits of subsidy removal? We aren't talking of people in government, we talking just ordinary people on the streets. Who's going to label you an oppressor for suppoprting subsidy removal?

If we're to be honest, the undiluted truth is that Nigerians from history have always opposed anything that leads to a fuel price hike. Only time Nigerians didn't seem to oppose subsidy removal was in 2016 when Buhari removed it; by then Nigerians were already worn out with Buhari's excesses so no one bothered to complain.

nairalanda1:
Actually, I did...in 2011/12, when I started listening to the 'government propaganda' and realized how damaging subsidy was to our economy.

Also, not everyone is on Nairaland.

The total percentage of Nigerians who supported the almost 120% inflation in pump price on January 1st 2012 was not up to 0.01% of the population. Perhaps you were among that 0.01% of people who did. But I just find it laughable how almost everyone commenting today now claim they also supported subsidy removal in 2012.

The way in which almost everyone now claims they supported subsidy removal in 2012, one begins to wonder who all those people were who protested all over Nigeria in 2012; even Flavour released a song in protest then. But revisionist have somehow convinced us it was APC that organised protests in 2012. When in history have NIgerians ever embraced fuel price increase?

Unfortunately he's now our president and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. Greed and tribalism pushed him up there, and now we just have to manage him no matter how much he stumbles.

Kingbuhari:
why not partner with air peace and make it national airline

Has Air Peace finished managing its own fleet efficiently?... with all their bad customer service?

Kingbuhari:
because its 50% Ethiopia airline... they for tell us they don auction our airport to Ethiopia, pocket money , japa

The airline owners are silly then... How well have they managed their own airlines and what kind of services are NIger4ians getting? It should have even been 90% Ethiopian. We just desperately need a functional airline in Nigeria.

Nigeria Air is definitely a good development... The enttire report didnt mention why the airlines aren't happy with Nigeria Air.

Nice... Hope the airline grows...

Nice... Hope the airline grows...

richmond500:
Obi is a failure

So that's why you're obsessed with him?

How old are you?

nairalanda1:
Yes, which is why.as i have said we should have voted out apc and pdp and lp and nmpp and voted in all the new parties so that we can.have a fresh.start.

But the thing is, Nigerians prefer pdp and apc. Even obi got known nationwide via pdp. And yes it angers and upsets me, but what can one do? Wishes are not horses.

So the next best thing was to get rid of apc. We failed because the offical opposition was divided and because nobody wanted to step.down for nobody. Meanwhile apc all stood behind tinubu, including the members who hated him well well.

Yes it was good we did not vote for apc. But no matter what you say( and yes atiku is just as bad as tinubu) it is tinubu that will be getting sworn in next week. And if he loses at court it is still atiku that gets to take over.

Yes we need a better candidate. But the sad thing is that we do not hold the cards in our hands at all. Tinubu outwitted us. Here we are. We need a clean candidate. But at the end, there was no way we were going to get one. The next best thing would have been a united front .


I effing wish it was not so.

Again permit me to loud it here, the next best thing wasnt getting rid of APC; if that same APC had put up a candidate like Osinbajo, I probably would have supported APC. The real next best thing was to get rid of characters like Atiku, Tinubu and their likes. So it was a no brainer supporting OBI regardless of the odds.

Supporting OBI was a battle against people like Atiku and Tinubu. And no! we werent going to compromise in the battle field by embracing one of the Pharoahs we were trying to get rid of.

richmond500:
I was happy Tinubu won

So what's your beef with OBI then?

You wanted TINUBU to win, he won! But you're still here all over this thread yapping about how foolish OBI is for contesting in the election and causing ATIKU to fail?.... You see how your obsession for OBI is gradually eroding your reasoning right?

AdesegunSanni89:
lol. Obi did exactly the job Tinubu programmed him to do. i.e. Take away Christian, Igbo and SS votes from Atiku.

richmond500:
Oya, u can celebrate ur 3rd position

Nonsense! OBI exercised his right to contest and he put up a very good performance out of nothing. All of you pained that ATIKU didnt win should go prepare for another failure in 2027.

nairalanda1:
In politics one never gets what one wants. God knows I have never gotten a candidate in the major parties that I liked. God knows I would never vote for Atiku, Tinubu, Obi or any one from PDP or APC or former member of parties.

But in 2023, we had one job and one job alone...to get rid of the APC. In my honest and earnest opinion, Nigerians should have not voted for PDP, LP (Obi is part of the same old PDP) or APC and voted in a coalition of the smaller parties...so that we could start afresh. But the thing about politics is that wishes are never horses.

If Atiku, Obi and Kwankwaso votes had gone to one candidate....be it Atiku, Obi, whoever, APC would have been voted out, and once again our political class would have learned a lesson...mess with Nigerians, and we will deal with you. But the oppositon got divided....and see where we are.

Yes Obi almost won. Nice to hear that. Yakubu Aiyegbeni almost scored a goal against Korea Republic in 2010. That was nice. But we did not get into the second round of the World cup as a result....and the oppositon lost their chance against APC, and we now have four more years of APC, because Nigerians in the opposition could not calm down their egos.....and unite to at least get APC out.

Anyway, we lost. Let's get ready for 2027. Hopefully we would be wiser next time.

Again and Again and Again, APC is not the problem of Nigeria, our entire political class is. So saying the target of 2023 was just to get rid of APC doesn't sit well with me; in my opinion I even think it's myopic because anyone who understands Nigerian politics knows there's no difference between PDP and APC and after seeing what APC got away with in the last 8 years, the PDP could even bring a worse hell to Nigeria if they're let back to power..

In summary, I don't care about parties, I care about the individual contestant. And hey! I dont see how ATIKU is better than Tinubu one bit!

profmallor:
It could have been a strategy, why not. At least being number 2 is just one step away from the number one position. In such a journey you need alignments, most especially across your own region, he didnt build enough of that.

Why should he be number 2? How does that benefit Nigeria? Is it not this same Nigeria where the office of the Number 2 is as useless as a local govt councilor?... Then you expect him to be Number 2 for the next 8 years? Besides, OBI almost won the election (that's if he didnt even win); with northern votes shared between APC and PDP, this was like the best chance for OBI and he almost swept it (if not for the obvious state sponsored malpractices).

The focus of my argument is the comment about OBI being "stupid for contesting in the election because it made ATIKU not to win". There's nothing stupid about OBI exercising his right to contest in an election where he clearly had a chance. Who cares if it affects ATIKU? Who cares if ATIKU lost? How could ATIKU winning have favoured OBI or Nigeria? In a nutshell, saying OBI was stupid for contesting an election (which he had a good chance of winning) was a stupid assertion!

Moh247:
Put the right figure out 90m registered voters, 24m voted, 4 major contenders and Tinubu won Obi first to 3rd with 2.7 million votes

Tinubu scored 8.8 million votes, OBI scored 6.1 million votes; by all historical electoral standards, that was an outstanding performance from OBI. But somehow, you guys think OBI was stupid for contesting in an election where he almost won? ... Like I said above, this is a very useless assertion. Assuming OBI had won the election, this is just like saying "OBI used ATIKU/TINUBU to split ATIKU/TINUBU votes in the north".

So let's even assume for a second that OBI didnt contest and then ATIKU won? How exactly does that benefit OBI or how does that benefit Nigeria? How is that a better situation from what we have currently? What's the difference between ATIKU and TINUBU?

profmallor:
All Atiku needed was half of Obi's votes to have won the elections. It was clear to some of us that Obi was clearly disrupting PDP votes, but the emotions for Obidients was too much. Nevertheless, Obi is now known, and just lurking to jump on board if APC messes up.

So OBI should have just sat back and dashed ATIKU the presidency for whose benefit exactly?

richmond500:
So how does it benefit Obi that Tinubu wins?

SO because there's a possibility of Tinubu winning an election, so therefore it is stupid for OBI to exercise his right to contest? So if OBI hadn't contested and ATIKU won the election, how does that benefit OBI or Nigeria? What't the difference between TINUBU and ATIKU?

OBI contested the election as the cleanest and best candidate and he put up an outstanding performance; it's not like he scored less than a million votes. He put up a very good performance and almost even won the election (that's if he didn't even win but was just cheated by the corrupt system). How can a person with such prospects be termed as "being stupid" for contesting? This has to be one of the most silly assertions I've come across since this election season.