₦airaland Forum

sirabbey:
[b]rman, your bread is certainly buttered by Empty Net (MTN) at the moment, so i understand your sentiments and PR salvage crusade, but stop defending the indefensible. your posts insults the intelligences of your esteemed customers ( that is if we are esteemed indeed by Empty Net.)
If i were you i will be worried stiff that your customers hold this view about your company and will stay invisible behind my computer screen gathering informations needed to marshall a change in company policies or at least direct the attention of policies maker to this page rather than worsening the situation with your poorly thought out responses. Agreed some of the comments here are to the extreme to say the least (i.e someone saying he hate south Africa becos of Empty Net reputation.) but not everyone has mastered the ability of managing his anger.

I am another one of your victimised/ripped off esteemed customer waiting to sign off your Empty Net.

sorry i typed in red.[/b]

lanrewajew:
@rman, i agree wit u on your concept of competition. Yea competitors wuld do anyfin 2 get u off d way. But wat i dnt understand is y consumers can nt av value for hard earnd money. What i wil cal gud busines sense, is knowin wat your subscribers needs are nd meetin 'em, xactly wat glo did wit p/sec billn. Consumer satisfaction must come first, and dats wat d etisalat family b'livs in, reason for d wide range of products nd services targetin consumer satisfactn. No coy can survive without profits, bt dnt let it get in2 your head. Improve services, study d market very wel b4 bringin up unique services (magic_number) so u dnt fumbl, be consumer oriented. Cheap call tariffs nd internet services is feasible in nigeria, der is no such fin as unsustainability. In dis market, d consumer is king! Yea. . .we knw dat

madprof:
I think there's too much unnecessary fuss about MTN's tariffs on this thread. You shouldn't expend a lot of energy complaining about MTN. Not when there are several alternatives out there. The irony is that most of the people complaining DO have MTN lines, so why are they still using those lines? Don't get me wrong - I'm not defending MTN - but it is a matter of personal choice which network(s) you decide to use. When it comes to total service quality, other networks over time have not performed much better than MTN either. Every one of them is defficient in one way or another in total service quality and product offering. Take for instance Airtel says they give 20 free SMS monthly with their 20k/s call plan, yet they always charge for texts I send; why? Those other smaller networks(visafone, starcomms, etc) can't even compare because they don't have robust value added services. In today's telecomms market you can't survive without value added services. MTN's internet service is about the most reliable among all the networks. Again, I'm not supporting MTN, but overall the other networks aren't doing or offering much better services.
What we need to advocate for is all-round better services and cheaper call rates from network operators rather than attacking MTN. Even at Airtel's 20k/s Nigerians still pay among the highest phone tariffs in the world; that has got to stop. Think about it: if MTN were really worse than other networks they wouldn't still be in business would they? The best way to attack MTN is to totally boycott their services - how many people can realistically do that? In any case MTN is a rip-off because NCC has allowed it.

Thanks for being objective. Some of the point I try to pass across is there in your reply. Why attack a company that did not force you to buy their product? Why do we call them a rip off if the so call alternative's that is great is easily accesible? NCC did not force the others to reduce their tarriffs , competition is the sole reason why they did. MTN is well aware of the market in which they operate and they know that any service provider that charges three times what the competition does for the same service may well be out of business in a matter of time. MTN will soon reduce their tarriffs but when they do, the same set of people lamenting now will be the first set to come out and say calls should be made free by MTN because they are from South Africa.
Network quality issue is been faced by all the operator. If NCC carries out their quarterly quality checks across the country and a particular service provider always come out tops , why sanction them? Competitive pricing is good for customers but for proper competition to be in place for serious competition is to ask yourself, why mtn is still in business why all logical explanation points towards the fact that they should be out off business. SIM cards cost just #150.

ogasir2011:
@rman

you are obviously not answering our questions you are only re posting part of your initial post. kindly address som question asked

valacious:
@mr rman be sincere with yourself and tell me which network has d largest subscriber, it's mtn. Now according to economics of scale are they not meant to be d network with more value offering? Why cant they refine d magic no stuff and put a peg on d no of hours u can talk to a friend per day, say 2hrs max. Why is it so double expensive using an mtn to call an mtn, at N30/min, while i can use a glo infinito line to call same mtn at N15/min. Which makes more sense?dont they have d same challenges?

ogasir2011:
From your explanation it is either you are a rookie,just naive about MTN operations, or completely brainwashed by MTN in your regular trainings. MTN is the greatest RIP off Company ever known to Man.

In 2008 Benin Republic Suspended MTN operations in the Country because of unfriendly and ripping tariff to thier citizen, it took the intervention of Thabo Mbeki(Then President ) to prevail upon the Govt, before MTN could Operate again, with a condition that they will repect themselve and charge reasonable rates. In Nigeria our Govt are enjoying how they are cheating Nigerians.

It is cheaper to use other networks to call MTN, than to use MTN to call MTN. And you come hear to talk trash defending MTN.

People subscribe for internet service and they cant use it, Moneies are never refunded.

pls dont mention NITEL in comparism with the ripp off that MTN is doing, without MTN GSM would still exist in Nigeria.

You claim that MTN was planing to Introduce Per sec billing, i want to tell you that you are a Big LIAR. MTN told us that Per sec billing was not possible till 2007. Glo started operation in 2005 and began with per sec. in sept 2005 MTN also began per sec billing so tell me why did not wait till 2007 to begin. M

MY friend it does not cost nothing to begin Per sec billing  as you claim it will cost money. Per sec billing has been a feature of GSM Billing software since the 1990s and the software MTN were using since 2001 has per sec billing- so u see what i mean u have bin brain washed?

I discourage pple everyday from using MTN, and i urge everyone to do the same.

MTN has the slimest profit margin amongs the all network, thier distributors dont make much compared other network. they are also ripping off the distributors.

they are also ripping off graduates, call center agents Earn the lowest in the industry- Ripp OFF

they are less nigerian amongts the middle class, top executive - nigerians do the dirty Job in the company while thier south african eat the fatest salary- ripp off

rman:
Coverage issue is a totaly different issue. The fact that you don't have mtn network may mean their coverage is not there at all or their base station is down. I am baffled the two reasons I gave still does not qualify as steatling in my opinion.

Read my post again. I never said they offer the cheapest call rates. Waht i have only tried to point out is that in a competitive market where there in no monoploly, I find it hard that people come out to slander just one company that is just rtying to survive like the others. Whatever you call is rip off is a choice made by YOU AND YOU ALONE. What I have only tried to point out is only time will tell whos has a better business strategy. In a competitive environent also , I can not fix my salaries based on what my competitor is paying. ALL BANKS IN NIGERIA DON''T PAY SAME SALARY and I have not seen Nigerians calling the least paying banks rip offs
Everytime I just hear or read people bringing MTN down. The message that comes across to me is people trying to force a company to close shop based on their own financial interests. It is always cheaper calls , PROMO and stuffs. Show me an operator in Nigerian that does not have quality challenges. But coming out with hate telling a company to pay more of give out more in a competitive market is so Nigerian.  Your claim that they pay call centre agents the least is wrong. Please find out the truth and don't let hate cloud ibjective analysys. I have not insulted or try to slander any company in my post so far, I will expect people to do same when they respond. WE CAN ALL LEARNT A LOT THROUGH THIS THREAD

Rooneyboy:
mr rman i challenge u today. MTN is just in existence to steal our money. Go to my vill today awgu lga in enugu state, mmaku precisely and tell me if u ll c any mtn network in your phn. AIRTEL all the way.

bilms:
Dr Olusola Saraki,The godfather of Kwara state politics secrete agenda exposed.

After proclaiming his daughter Gbemisola Saraki as his next candidate for the governorship election that will be holding in 2011.

The proclamation has generated alot of controversies and after much consideration, i was able to make the following analysis.

From what we have seen, Olusola saraki is not ready to do the wish of the poeple.

And If Sarak insisted that his female daughter Gbemisola saraki remain his candidate, i.e going against his people in kwara (alfa), it might result into a riot because from all indications, the alfa are ready to fight against this action and gbemisola is indeed ready for the challenge.

The reaction of the current Governor to the situation,

From what we have seen, The current Governor Bukola Saraki has turn is back on his Father and has really demonstrated to the people publicly that he will do the wish of the people. by not making his sister his successor.

The secrete agenda

I sense some conspiracy here, because from my understanding of this situation, I believe The godfather Olusola saraki is willing to continue is dominance on the people of kwara state by transferring the godfather-ism to his son ( the current Governor Bukola saraki).

both of them try to create this confusion for easy transfer of power.

The people of kwara are determined to serve Olusola Saraki to death, but he wants his dominance to extend beyond him alone,but to his generation on born. So he decided to create a scenario that will enable his son to demonstrate to the people that he his equally capable of leading the state.

The scene

Olusola saraki named his daughter Gbemi Saraki as his next Governorship candidate and his son Bukola Sarki is opposing his father publicly. This scene will result to contention between father and the son because from all indications, Governor bukola saraki will nominate his own Governorship candidate that will contest with that of his father.

Because the people dislike the candidate of the Father, they will go for the son's candidate and this will mean that Governor Bukola nominated a candidate and he won.

now

he will be seen as the next godfather and people of kwara will embrace him for going against his father in the first place,

but all the scene is a setup between them, or what do u think?

charity00:
So would you issue an ultimatum? Guy doesn't pay for transport, unless gal is willing to let him meet family? If there really isn't any ulterior motive, the guy looks like a jerk. But doesn't the gal have an obligation to build some trust?

malali:
[b]You dont need a soothsayer to translate for you. PDP and their GEJ are getting desperate and in the process, are showing their true colours, which is that GEJ is a staunch believer in maintaining the status quo (perpetrating corruption), just like OBJ planned. This further justifies the suspicion which many held about him when he was hand-picked to deputize over a three-quarter dead dead man by OBJ. The plan worked quite alright, now we are seeing the truth prevailing.
Ask yourself people; why is Anenih (and so many dead woods like him), a celebrated suspected thief of PDP extraction still FIXing for GEJ? Why is GEJ still negotiating with near-irrelevant northern politicians like A-thief-KU and CHEat-ROMA? How come GEJ all of sudden is praise-singing the much spoken about International Big Barawo? Listen, all the next ministerial and head of parastatal seats have all been negotiated, the same THIEVES have been allocated to continue looting your treasury to their personal accounts in the next dispensation should GEJ win. Nothing will change, except that more people like you and me will die of poverty, or loose their jobs or not getting employment when GEJ is voted in again. Yet, I still read comments like North this, Christians that? South fii and Muslims faa? Nigeria will never run short of blind morons! Between that 1% of THIEVES who have held Nigeria hostage and are milking it to their bank accounts, while all our aged parents, friends, colleagues and children still die of road accidents, infected water and Malaria, you will never lack muslims nor will there be shortage of christians in their fold, nor atheists. If you want Northerners, they are represented and so are the southerners, middle belters are also not left behind. If you screen them properly, almost all tribes are represented, yet, they keep us blind morons at each others' throats by all sorts of sentiments, from religion to region; From tribe to taboo and temptations to tribulations. Their sole intention is to use a smoke screen to divide us, while they silently use the screen to smile to their banks! Their children wed abroad, their wives deliver outside, their parents and cronies do their medical check-up overseeas, while their children study in UK, USA and Asian universities. Their accounts are abroad so when wahala drops, they only need to escape on okada to the nearest boarder. Lately, most of their family members have second passports, thus they are assured of another nationality. It is only you and I that are stuck with the green passport, alone!
Wake up short-sighted, unthinking and sentimental population of mediocrity! I was born in the north and I am constantly surrounded with almajiris who cannot make ends meet, nor their parents. My secondary school was in the south-south where the people can no longer farm, fish nor engage in any meaningful agricultural practice, yet they are the goose that lay the golden egg? I served in the south-west and used to visit lagos where a graduate being an area boy is to make ends meet, where u see graduates holding first class or second class upper as agberos in motor parks or some other unthinkable job which does not befit their credentials. I have had to do business traveling to the east and have seen how energetic, innovative youths engage in unpleasant practices just to earn a living.
Common people, the problems are same ALL over Nigeria. You want proof? People die in accidents all over Nigeria due to bad roads. Malaria is still a killer in about all states. Unemployed youths are everywhere. Armed robbery is common place all over Nigeria! white elephant projects of government both at federal, state and local government levels are spread all over. If you think your state is worse, try going to another and you would be surprised. Listen, we are all victims, none of us is happy!
Care not about that person who rules NIGERIA, no matter his tribe, religion or region, ONLY CARE about HE/SHE who LOVES NIGERIANS and NIGERIA. Because that is our common destiny and we must do ALL we can to protect it! Dont be lured by sentiment, ACT wisely
The time to stop them is NOW, or else in 20 years, I bet you, our children may not even be educated enough to read and understand what I have just written. You know why? Yes, it will be because by then, there may even be no budget for education. All the money of our dear nation would be in personal bank accounts, while NIGERIA will be heavily indebted to ALL the lending houses all over the world.
When we get to that stage, only then will we all throw away all these so-called differences and confront the TRUTH head on, just like Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen are currently doing.
That time, we would have no choice and surely it will take more casualties.
Lets do it now, it will be very peaceful and very, very rewarding!
Lets put aside all our so-called differences NOW and come together for NIGERIA, for our children and our children's children. The only way to do it is,
DO NOT VOTE PDP, no matter what!
Even in experiments, scientists accept trials 3 times (OBJ, OBJ, YarAdua/GEJ).
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, time up PDP![/b]

lma:
As much as I agree wit all the critics as par high traiff, wiring all the profits back to SA and all the likes but have we ever sat down to analyse the so called MTN as a business identity.

i. how many of the so-called nigerian companies is providing business opportunities for nigerian banks as much as mtn in terms of interest from loans and amount of deposit, remember how banks are jostling to be part of one the largest syndicate loan in Africa to a business organisation? instead we prefer to approach Chase Manhatan as wetin be the name and d likes for funds and keep it in our family bank.

ii. Why are the so-called nigerian companies not wise enough to raise such funds to build the largest network spaning from cities to hinterlands providing opportunities for everybody to be able to communicate no matter how epiletic the service might be.

iii. How savvy is these nigerian companies in business management to be able to source for funds, build the infrastructure, set margins for profit, employ and empower some of the best hands who are nigerians, manage them well with little or no favouritism and see the benjamins rolling in.

iv. Have you ever wonder what kind of business man will always rush and reduce the charges of his services based on competitor's (who must have done a prudent analysis base on their margins) reducing its own.

v. Where are the G, foundation, Econe./Vodac, /Vmob, /celt, /Za, /Air, foundation, Mte. foundation, just take time to see what MTN foundation has done/doing/will do.

Vi. Is GLO and others more nigerian dan MTN; what is the ratio of foreigners-to-nigerians working in these companies and occupying managerial  positions in both companies; how many nigerians has shares in GLO n others meanwhile 24% of  MTN is ownered by nigerians including ordinary employees.

vii. Yéllo, have you ever wonder how an employee earning the same amount as salary over the past five years without hope of increment will contribute meaningfully to the well being of its organisation compare to one who knows that his package will be reviewed up at a specific time and day every year with the fact that the more d company makes d more his/her bonus largess and the increment  

viii. Above all, who says these nigerian companies are not making that much but are we transparent and honest enuf to declare our profit as the sacrificial lamb does year in year out.

Please, dont mind me oh but I feel we sud think a little deeper, tomorrow when you own a business with a market advantage, try and crash your charges overnite to match a new industry entrant out with low market penetration charges with demographic segmented market target and see how fast u will start conducting census for bridges in Lagos to your village.

Abi you think say after many years as second class citizens in their own land, dem go dey mess up like we nigerians!!!

Plenty angles to this matter but I dey remove for now.

Yala bye.

One more thing, Southy people no dey too go school ooo like us but they are here raking all the buck, guyz will need to sit up and face reality.

Guyman02:
The average rat in my former neighbourhood became so bold that they join us in the parlour to watch super eagles match. Walahi, fear don comot for their body kpatakpata.

We bought traps, but it never catches them, they would go behind the trap and eat the fish bait, piss on the trap and walk away.
One day we ran out of fish bait and tried to deceive them by putting the picture of a fish on the trap, but when I came to check the trap in the morning to see if it has caught any rat, I saw the picture of a rat on top of the trap; Bros, i just pack my things, hire pickup van and ran from that area.

asha 80:
i hope you know that those parts of nigeria that do these things are monarchical in their thinking hence they do not particularly see any problem with those arrangements?