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TravelRe: Nigerians Living Illegally In China Are Now Going Through Hell! by seyibrown(f): 10:10pm On Sep 11, 2008
Why anyone would want to emmigrate to China beats me! Go to china on business or pleasure, nothing more!

When katakata burst, who you go run go meet? where you wan hide?

And we all know how much help the Nigerian government can offer when it comes to standing up for their citizens!
Jobs/VacanciesRe: NYSC: Which Amongst These Banks Should I Serve With? by seyibrown(f): 5:50pm On Sep 09, 2008
Has anyone read the previous posts of this lady?

I quote her here. . .

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=120888.msg2089216#msg2089216

Thanks man for the thread. I am a Lionesss too, Linguistics 2005 and i reside at Onitsha. Does anyone know where Alumni meeting is being held at Onitsha? I am currently jobless not minding the fact that i made second class honors upper division. I have also finished youth service since Jan. 31st 2007. My no. is 08030570531. Someone should please come to my aid. Thanks.

There are questions to be answered. . . is she serving twice?is someone else using her ID?
LOL! grin grin grin
EducationRe: Nigerians And Spelling Errors! It Keeps Getting Worse! by seyibrown(f): 10:32am On Aug 31, 2008
Thanks to you all, I am no longer able to spell 'appalling'! angry angry

'our paul in'
'hapaulling'
'appaling'
'apalling'
'haupalleing'
EducationRe: Nigerians And Spelling Errors! It Keeps Getting Worse! by seyibrown(f): 4:41pm On Aug 30, 2008
A round of applause for you all!

The best laugh I have had in ages.  grin grin grin
EducationRe: Nigerians And Spelling Errors! It Keeps Getting Worse! by seyibrown(f): 2:32pm On Aug 29, 2008
People make spelling mistakes everywhere. It is not peculiar to Nigerians.
PoliticsRe: 'Return Home', Fashola Charges Nigerians In Diaspora by seyibrown(f): 8:09pm On Aug 23, 2008
@Lepashandi

You fuckin bootlicker! You think say na everybody go resemble you!

Some of us want to work not rely on 'hand me downs' from corrupt politicians. People like you cannot function in a system where things work! Probably the reason why you couldn't stay in the UK.

He/She/He-She even had the guts to start the following thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=163067.msg2696355#msg2696355

Just shows that you are so full of SHIT!
TravelRe: What Do You Do Abroad - Contribute Only If What You Do Is Worth Talking About. by seyibrown(f): 8:06pm On Aug 23, 2008
@Lepashandi

You fuckin bootlicker! You think say na everybody go resemble you!

Some of us want to work not rely on hand me downs from corrupt politicians. People like you cannot function in a system where things work! That's probably why you couldn't stay in the UK.

MR/MRS EDINBURGH MASTERS DEGREE!

You still have not been able to provide answers to my questions in the below post.

@Lepashandi

Not everyone has it as good as you. I bet if you were still one of those hundreds of thousands looking for a job after University in Nigeria, You wouldn't think or talk the way you do.

Most Nigerians in diaspora who complain about the situation in Nigeria would love to see the situation change, corruption basically and nothing, nothing at all works. Yes, all countries have their own problems, but it would be wonderful to see a group of leaders who want real change in Nigeria, who care about Nigeria. The problem is our leaders don't. They care about their pockets.

I, like many others in diaspora, am sure want to contribute to moving these country forward. The situation in Nigeria currently doesn't allow us to do something. I am still young and look forward to being able to make a difference in Nigeria when the time comes.

It riles me to hear you insult honest hardworking people. Would you rather they stayed back home and joined the bandwagon of corrupt politicians and office holders or stay back to encourage them.

LEPASHANDI, WITH YOUR MASTERS DEGREE IN EDINBURGH, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR NIGERIA SO FAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE HAVE YOU MADE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE AROUND YOU?(NOT YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY) CAN YOU GIVE ME A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT YOUR FAMILY? I AM ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN HOW YOU FUNDED YOU EDINBURGH MASTERS DEGREE.
CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU & YOUR FAMILY HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED NEGATIVELY TO NIGERIA?


I will really appreciate very honest answers.

cc: dedeyuim@yahoo.co.uk (just to ensure you get this post)
PoliticsRe: 'Return Home', Fashola Charges Nigerians In Diaspora by seyibrown(f): 12:05am On Aug 23, 2008
Everybody give the chica a round of applause. BRAVO! BRAVO! BRAVO! ENCORE! You have just cleared all my questions on you being College educated. With this one post alone. . .  man-o-man you have just shown your true colors. Ada, GOOD JOB!!!. Now i know that you just don't like those aboards. It has nothing to do with Fashola, Nigeria, or any of that. You are just mad cause we living it up here and you are suffering over there. Sorry Charlie, that is just the card life dealt you. So Good Job of clearing up all our questions over you because with this one single post. . . . you did it all. Take A Bow.

Any words of recognition for your performance?
@oyinye

E go better for you my sister.

THIS LEPASHANDI AND HER MADE IN EDINBURGH MASTERS DEGREE. It only goes to show that some people will never be able to reason properly even if them get phd. Lepashandi has somehow deliberately missed this post i made in response to her insults to people who she claims are 'burger flippers'.

@Lepashandi

Not everyone has it as good as you. I bet if you were still one of those hundreds of thousands looking for a job after University in Nigeria, You wouldn't think or talk the way you do.

Most Nigerians in diaspora who complain about the situation in Nigeria would love to see the situation change, corruption basically and nothing, nothing at all works. Yes, all countries have their own problems, but it would be wonderful to see a group of leaders who want real change in Nigeria, who care about Nigeria. The problem is our leaders don't. They care about their pockets.

I, like many others in diaspora, am sure want to contribute to moving these country forward. The situation in Nigeria currently doesn't allow us to do something. I am still young and look forward to being able to make a difference in Nigeria when the time comes.

It riles me to hear you insult honest hardworking people. Would you rather they stayed back home and joined the bandwagon of corrupt politicians and office holders or stay back to encourage them.

LEPASHANDI, WITH YOUR MASTERS DEGREE IN EDINBURGH, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR NIGERIA SO FAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE HAVE YOU MADE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE AROUND YOU?(NOT YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY) CAN YOU GIVE ME A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT YOUR FAMILY? I AM ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN HOW YOU FUNDED YOU EDINBURGH MASTERS DEGREE.
CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU & YOUR FAMILY HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED NEGATIVELY TO NIGERIA?


I will really appreciate very honest answers.

cc:  dedeyuim@yahoo.co.uk (just to ensure you get this post)
I would still like to know what positive contribution Lepashandi has made to Nigerians around her.

@Lepashandi

SOMETHING TELLS ME YOU NEVER ACTUALLY GOT THAT 'MADE IN EDINBURGH DEGREE' and you were probably deported and embarrassed form the UK. That's an explanation for your anger towards Nigerians in Diaspora.
PoliticsRe: 'Return Home', Fashola Charges Nigerians In Diaspora by seyibrown(f): 5:53pm On Aug 22, 2008
For the attention of LEPASHANDI


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Fashola is not talking about those of them on this forum - those who flip burgers and sweep the streets - what do those ones want to contribute to Nigeria anyway? Nothing - because they are useless to the nation and to themselves - he is talking about professionals to come and tap into the good in Nigeria - not calling on one silly boy or girl out there in London to come back home when he/she gat nothing to contribute to the development of the country.



@Lepashandi

Not everyone has it as good as you. I bet if you were still one of those hundreds of thousands looking for a job after University in Nigeria, You wouldn't think or talk the way you do.

Most Nigerians in diaspora who complain about the situation in Nigeria would love to see the situation change, corruption basically and nothing, nothing at all works. Yes, all countries have their own problems, but it would be wonderful to see a group of leaders who want real change in Nigeria, who care about Nigeria. The problem is our leaders don't. They care about their pockets.

I, like many others in diaspora, am sure want to contribute to moving these country forward. The situation in Nigeria currently doesn't allow us to do something. I am still young and look forward to being able to make a difference in Nigeria when the time comes.

It riles me to hear you insult honest hardworking people. Would you rather they stayed back home and joined the bandwagon of corrupt politicians and office holders or stay back to encourage them.

LEPASHANDI, WITH YOUR MASTERS DEGREE IN EDINBURGH, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR NIGERIA SO FAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE HAVE YOU MADE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE AROUND YOU?(NOT YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY) CAN YOU GIVE ME A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT YOUR FAMILY? I AM ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN HOW YOU FUNDED YOU EDINBURGH MASTERS DEGREE.
CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU & YOUR FAMILY HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED NEGATIVELY TO NIGERIA?

Can you please also forward the pics on this link to your Gov? : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-96244.0.html Can you please explain to me, why in the midst of plenty, why those kids are in that place? Did you attend such schools, do your kids?

I will really appreciate very honest answers.

cc: dedeyuim@yahoo.co.uk (just to ensure you get this post)
PoliticsRe: 'Return Home', Fashola Charges Nigerians In Diaspora by seyibrown(f): 3:14pm On Aug 22, 2008
@ $$$Rhino

Our present leaders are not interested in transparency. They have got millions of skeletons in their cupboard. Why would they want every kobo spent to be accounted for?

Until there is a complete overhaul of this present system of governance, there will never be transparency, and that is just where we need to start from.
PoliticsRe: 'Return Home', Fashola Charges Nigerians In Diaspora by seyibrown(f): 1:22pm On Aug 22, 2008
Fashola is not talking about those of them on this forum - those who flip burgers and sweep the streets - what do those ones want to contribute to Nigeria anyway? Nothing - because they are useless to the nation and to themselves - he is talking about professionals to come and tap into the good in Nigeria - not calling on one silly boy or girl out there in London to come back home when he/she gat nothing to contribute to the development of the country.
@Lepashandi

Not everyone has it as good as you. I bet if you were still one of those hundreds of thousands looking for a job after University in Nigeria, You wouldn't think or talk the way you do.

Most Nigerians in diaspora who complain about the situation in Nigeria would love to see the situation change, corruption basically and nothing, nothing at all works. Yes, all countries have their own problems, but it would be wonderful to see a group of leaders who want real change in Nigeria, who care about Nigeria. The problem is our leaders don't. They care about their pockets.

I, like many others in diaspora, am sure want to contribute to moving these country forward. The situation in Nigeria currently doesn't allow us to do something. I am still young and look forward to being able to make a difference in Nigeria when the time comes.

It riles me to hear you insult honest hardworking people. Would you rather they stayed back home and joined the bandwagon of corrupt politicians and office holders or stay back to encourage them.

LEPASHANDI, WITH YOUR MASTERS DEGREE IN EDINBURGH, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR NIGERIA SO FAR? WHAT DIFFERENCE HAVE YOU MADE IN THE LIVES OF THOSE AROUND YOU?(NOT YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY) CAN YOU GIVE ME A BRIEF HISTORY ABOUT YOUR FAMILY? I AM ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN HOW YOU FUNDED YOU EDINBURGH MASTERS DEGREE.
CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU & YOUR FAMILY HAVE NOT CONTRIBUTED NEGATIVELY TO NIGERIA?


Can you please also forward the pics on this link to your Gov? : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-96244.0.html   Can you please explain to me, why in the midst of plenty, why those kids are in that place? Did you attend such schools, do your kids?

I will really appreciate very honest answers.

cc:  dedeyuim@yahoo.co.uk (just to ensure you get this post)
PoliticsRe: 'Return Home', Fashola Charges Nigerians In Diaspora by seyibrown(f): 4:13pm On Aug 21, 2008
Ope ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I don dey wait for this invitation for some 3 years now!

I am on my way right now!

8 HRS LATER

On the phone to gov:
Hello, hello, hello, Bro Fashola, this line is not clear but I hope you can hear me. I have just been arrested at MMA for wearing a low cut top.
Looks like I'll be spending my first few months at panti for indecent dressing.
grin grin grin
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Graduates Against Dragnet GSE by seyibrown(f): 9:13am On Aug 21, 2008
I can't believe they are making such a scam very corporate! shocked shocked shocked
Jobs/VacanciesRe: Graduates Against Dragnet GSE by seyibrown(f): 11:05pm On Aug 20, 2008
Absolute nonsense!
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Work At A Brewery? by seyibrown(f): 8:17pm On Aug 19, 2008
Come to think of it from your analysis, what if you renege to take your share of the profits as long as the company pay for your services. I mean, a christian can be a cop without collecting a share from bribe money or a secret agent without embarking on a killing spree.

From your analysis, does it mean that if you have an auditing firm(for example) and NBL is one of your big clients, you are liable for the sin they commit even if you do not believe in what they represent?
Whatever service you provide the company, be it consultancy  or janitorial,when the company pays you, it pays from its profits/losses/loans/assets/liabilities.

If your spirit does not agree with sinful products or services, run miles from proceeds from sales of sinful products/services.
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Work At A Brewery? by seyibrown(f): 8:03pm On Aug 19, 2008
How does one compare a brewery to a brothel?


my sister I saw the analogy and froze.
Isn't there a whale of difference between being a production mgr (for instance) at Golden Guinea breweries and a receptionist at "hot and sexy"
I am talking about his hypocrisy. Let me re-interprete:

I(non-sinner) work in the non-alcoholic department

They(sinners) work in the alcoholic department

We all get paid from the overall profits made from the alcoholic and non-alcoholic business the company does.
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Work At A Brewery? by seyibrown(f): 7:51pm On Aug 19, 2008
How does one compare a brewery to a brothel?
Are there different categories of sin? Do you get eternal life commiting some and get eternal damnation committing others?

SIN IS SIN honey!
Christianity EtcRe: Can A Christian Work At A Brewery? by seyibrown(f): 7:43pm On Aug 19, 2008
If his conscience tells him that working in a brewery is sin, then it is sin to him.

I consider his working in the non-alcoholic department hypocrisy. If the production department did not exist, his non-alcholic department post will most probably not exist.

It's like saying, I work in a brothel but I don't do the fucking or I don't embezzle money, I just follow the instructions of my oga to do the paperwork.
TravelRe: Help:nigerian Students In Saudi Arabia Pleas by seyibrown(f): 7:20pm On Aug 19, 2008
TEMPORARY MARRIAGE IN ISLAM

Fixed-Term/Temporary/Pleasure Marriage are different names for the Arabic word of "Mut'a" which is a contract between a man and woman, much in the same way the Long-Term/Permanent/Conventional Marriage is. The main difference is that the temporary marriage longs only for a specified period of time, and man and woman will become stranger to each other after the expiration date without divorce. One misconception regarding temporary marriage is that some people think that the woman engaged in temporary marriage can have contract every other hour. This is completely misrepresentation of temporary marriage. After such contract has been expired, the woman has to wait for two months (Iddah) before which she can not marry any one else. This issue, among others, will be discussed later in detail.

The first one who legislated Mut'a with all the rules pertaining to it, was the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), after it was revealed in Quran. All Muslims agree that the Messenger of Allah legislated Mut'a and made it legal after his migration to Medina, and the Muslims practiced it during his lifetime. (see al-Mughni, by Ibn Qudamah, v6, p644, 3rd Edition). However there is a disagreement between the Shia and most of the Sunnis concerning whether the Prophet later banned it or not. Most Sunnis assert that although the Prophet legislated it, he later forbade it. This is while the Shia believe that temporary marriage was never abandoned by the Prophet (PBUH&HF). Allah revealed it in Quran, and it was being widely practiced to the end of his lifetime and during the period of Abu Bakr and the early days of Umar's rule, until Umar forbade it.

In Parts I through IV, we study the verse of Mut'a marriage in Quran and look into the Sunni commentary (Tafsir) of this verse, and review the traditions reported in the six authentic Sunni collections about Mut'a. In Part V we discuss the purposes of marriage as well as the chronological orders of the prohibition of illegal sex and the permission of Mut'a in the history of Islam. In Part VI the similarities and differences which exist between the two types of marriage are presented in detail. In Part VII we discuss the necessities and the advantages of the temporary marriage, and finally in Part VIII we answer some frequently asked questions regarding to the Mut'a.



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Evidences From Quran and the Sunni Commentaries



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Allah, to whom belong Might and Majesty, said:

(, Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property (i.e., dowry), provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication. So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract, give unto them their appointed wages as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what you both agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the (first) duty. Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise. (Quran 4:24)
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In the above verse, the Arabic equivalent of the word "marriage" or any of its derivatives has NOT been used. Rather the derivative of word "Mut'a" (pleasure/temporary marriage) has been used, i.e., "Istamta'tum". The word Istamta'a is the tenth verbal form of the root m-t-a. As we will show shortly, the word Istamta'a has also been widely used in the authentic Sunni collections for Temporary Marriage. Of course, Mut'a is one type of marriage, but some of it's regulations are different than the permanent marriage, including the fact that the couple can extend this contract by mutual agreement as the end of verse specifies.

Moreover, if we look at the Sunni commentaries of Quran, many Sunni scholars such as Fakhr al-Razi confirm that the above verse (4:24) was revealed about the Temporary Marriage (Mut'a). They straightforwardly mentioned that temporary marriage became Halaal (permitted) DUE TO the above verse, but they assert that it was later prohibited. It is astonishing that many Sunni commentators mentioned under the above verse that:

Ali (RA) said: The Mut'a is a mercy from Allah to his servants. If it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched (Shaqi; an utmost wrong-doer)."
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Sunni references:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p200, commentary of verse 4:24;
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under commentary of verse 4:24 with authentic chain of narrators, v8, p178, Tradition #9042;
Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, v2, p140, from several chain of transmitters;
Tafsir al-Qurtubi, v5, p130, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
Tafsir Ibn Hayyan, v3, p218, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran;
Tafsir Nisaboori, by al-Nisaboori (8th century);
Ahkam al-Quran, by Jassas, v2, p179, under commentary of verse 4:24.
A very similar tradition has also been narrated by Ibn Abbas (RA), and was mentioned by al-Tabari and al-Tha'labi in their Tafsir of Quran.

It is interesting to note that Umar did not attribute the prohibition of Mut'a to the Prophet (PBUH&HF). They were others who did that after Umar mainly to justify what he did. Umar clearly mentioned that: "Mut'a WAS permitted at the time of the Prophet and I PROHIBIT it!" The great Sunni scholar, Fakhr al-Razi, who has been given the title of "Imam al-Mushakkikeen" (the leader of ever-questioners/ever-doubtful) by the Sunnis, in his voluminous commentary of Quran mentioned under the verse of Temporary Marriage that:

Umar said: Two types of Mut'a were (legal) during the time of the Prophet and I forbid them both, and I punish those who commit it.
They are: Mut'a of pilgrimage and Mut'a of women.
Sunni references:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Fakhr al-Razi, v3, p201 under verse 4:24
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p52
Here is the Arabic text of the above masterpiece of Umar:

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Notice that Mut'a can be of two kinds: Mut'a of women (pleasure/temporary marriage) and Mut'a of Pilgrimage (Hajj al-Tamattu'). The latter is a way of performing Pilgrimage and has no relation with the former which is one way of performing marriage. Both types of Mut'a were practiced at the time of the Prophet and Abu Bakr and the early days of Umar's rule. But they were prohibited by Umar. There is another verse in Quran which gives evidence to the permissibility of the Mut'a of Pilgrimage. However this type of Pilgrimage is not the subject of our discussion here.

As we see from the above quote, Umar did NOT say that Mut'a was canceled by the Prophet. If it was really the Prophet who canceled Mut'a, Umar would have say: The two Mut'a were Halaal and then became Haraam at the time of the Prophet, and I am informing you about the second law set by the Prophet which canceled the first. But it is evident that Umar is straightforwardly saying that he is the one who is making it Haraam!

Al-Zamakhshari, another Sunni commentator of Quran Under the commentary of 4:24, reported that this verse is from the "Muhkamat" of Quran, relating that from Ibn Abbas (RA). (Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, v1, p519).

Also Both Ibn Jarir al-Tabari and al-Zamakhshari narrated that:

"al-Hakam Ibn Ayniyah was asked if the verse of Mut'a of women is abrogated. He answered: 'No'."
Sunni references:

Tafsir al-Tabari, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran, v8, p178
Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, under the verse 4:24, v1, p519
Also Ibn Kathir mentioned his commentary:

"al-Bukhari declared that Umar used to forbid people on Mut'a."
Sunni reference: Tafsir Ibn Kathir, v1, p233

Also in another Sunni commentary it is reported that:

Umar said, while on the pulpit: "O folk! Three were (allowed) during the time of the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), and I forbid them, and make them Haraam, and punish on them. They were: Mut'a of women, Mut'a of Hajj (pilgrimage), and saying 'Hayya Ala Khair al-Amal'."
Sunni references:

Sharh Al-Tajreed, by al-Fadhil al-Qoshaji, (Imama Section)
al-Mustaniran, by al-Tabari
al-Mustabeen, by al-Tabari
Remark: The third item mentioned above which was prohibited by Umar, is what is said in the Call for Prayer and Iqaamah after the phrase "Hayya Ala al-Falah", and it is practiced by the Shia to this date. It means "Hasten for the best deed". This part of call for prayer was abolished by Umar as well. Instead, he replaced it by the sentence: "Prayer is better than sleep"!

Interesting to know that there are some Sunni scholars who accepted that the Mut'a marriage is legal (Halaal) FOREVER exactly based on the above verse of Quran. Among those scholars are the Tunisian scholar, Shaikh al-Tahir Ibn 'Aashoor, under his Tafsir of the verse 4:24 of Quran. (See al-Tahrir wa al-Tanwir", by al-Tahir Ibn 'Aashoor, v3, p5). And there has been such open-minded scholars who did not allow the love of their leaders affect their judgment.

Some tried to cast doubt about the meaning of "Mut'a", by saying that it literally means pleasure and not necessarily a special type of marriage. These people, instead of searching for the practical definition of Mut'a in the History, Hadith, and Jurisprudence, they look it up Arabic dictionary! Even the Arabic dictionary gives the practical meaning of Mut'a, that is temporary marriage. All Shia and Sunni scholars agree to this very fact. al-Qurtubi, who is one of the great Sunni commentators of Quran, wrote: "There is NO dispute among the scholars, either early (salaf) and late (khalaf) scholars, that Mut'a is a marriage for a fixed period of time and that it does not involve inheritance."

Replacing the practical meaning and the linguistic meaning is very dangerous and is prohibited in the religious rules, because one may also say, "Salat" (prayer) means praise/supplication and is not necessarily the acts that Muslims do every day. Or "Zakat" (alms) means "to cleans" and is not necessarily paying money, and so on,

Perhaps such people did not even read the traditions related to "Mut'a of women" which gives its practical meaning used at the time of the Prophet and the early Caliphs and how the companions used to contract by a handful of date as dower. Even the English version of Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim have translated the word "Mut'a al-Nisa" to "Temporary Marriage," and they also translated "Istimta'a" to "marrying temporarily", and the traditions in that section which is a section in the chapter of marriage, gives the total picture of its meaning. (Please see Part II for the details of these traditions from Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim). Have these people ever heard of any other type of "Mut'a of women" in the history of Islam?

Some also tried to cast doubt about the meaning of the verse of Mut'a in Quran (4:24) by saying that the word "Istamta'a" refers to the consummation of the permanent marriage, after which dowry should be paid.

The above assertion is not correct. The best way to understand the meaning of the verse, is first to learn Arabic (since the exact translation of Quran to any other language is quite impossible), and second, to look at various commentaries (not just a filtered one), and third, to look at the traditions related to temporary marriage to see if they have used the word "Istamta'a". If we do all the three and search completely for different and controversial opinions, then we can say that we are close to the target.

In this part, we already provided references to many Sunni commentaries of Quran, in which the commentators confirmed that the verse was revealed for the temporary marriage, and they mentioned many traditions about the temporary marriage under the commentary of this verse. Then how can this verse be related to permanent marriage?! or perhaps you think these Sunni scholars had some loose screws upstairs. Few lines later, more interesting traditions from the Sunni commentaries under this verse are provided. Yet there many more available.

Moreover, who could we find better that Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari (RA), the great companion of the Prophet, who according to Sahih Muslim said: "Istamta'a means contracting temporary marriage" (Sahih Muslim, English version, v2, chapter DXLI titled: Temporary Marriage, Tradition #3246. Please see part II for the full Arabic text of the tradition). Jabir did NOT relate "Istamta'a" to consuming the marriage in general.

Furthermore, in the verse 4:24 Allah states, ", And there is no sin for you in what you both agree after fulfilling the duty (i.e., dowry of the first contract)". The mutual agreement after the duty refers to extending the period of temporary marriage after full payment of the previous dower, so that the woman can freely decide on the continuation of the marriage with no pressure or temptation. In this way, Allah encourages that people who are engaged in Mut'a will get more reward if they extend it to a bigger period (or perhaps convert it to a permanent marriage) by assigning a new dower after fulfilling the previous dower. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari wrote in his commentary of Quran:

Some traditions mention that the meaning of "And there is no sin for you in what you both agree after fulfilling the duty" means: O people! There is no sin for you to have an agreement between you and the women who you have had pleasure with them in a fixed-term contract, to extend the period at the time when the first period expires, and thus to prolong the temporary marriage by increasing the reward (of the Hereafter) as well as the duty (dowry) before you leave them. It is narrated on the authority of al-Suddy (RA) who said:
"And there is no sin for you in what you both agree after fulfilling the requirement. If the husband wishes he could convince her (to accept the renewal) after paying her the first dowry and just before the expiration date of marriage. In that case he would say to his wife: I contract Mut'a with you for such and such again. Thus he extends it before he leaves her due to the expiration of the first contract, and this is what the verse means." (Tradition #9046)
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Tabari, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p180.

Another reason for the fact that the dowry mentioned in the above verse does not refer to permanent marriage, is that Quran has already talked about the dowry for permanent marriage at the early part of the very same chapter by saying:

4:3
", Marry women of your choice two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them) then only one, "

4:4
"And give the women (of permanent marriage) their dower as a free gift"
It is clear that the above verses are about permanent marriage and the dowry associated with it. So there would be no need that Allah repeats it along with its associated dowry again in the very same chapter. However if Allah intended to discuss about Mut'a, then it is some thing new. And this can be inferred from the choice of words which Allah used in the verse of Mut'a (4:24) by using the derivative of Mut'a in contrast with the other verses around it.

4:24
(, Except the forbidden women) the rest are lawful unto you to seek them with gifts from your property, provided that you desire protection (from sin), not fornication. So for whatever you enjoyed (Istamta'tum) them by the contract, give unto them their wages as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what you both agree (in extending the contract) after fulfilling the duty (i.e., dowry of the first contract). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
Thus, in fact, Allah is discussing different types of marriages: first, permanent marriage in the verses before Verse 24, then temporary marriage in Verse 24, and then marriage with the slave girls in Verse 25:

4:25
If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women they may wed believing bondwomen from among those whom you rightfully possess, and Allah has full knowledge about your faith. You are one from another; wed them with the leave of their owners and give them their wages according to what is reasonable; they should be chaste not lustful nor taking paramours; when they are taken in wedlock if they fall into shame their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; And if you be patient, it is better for you; and Allah is forgiving and Merciful.
Here Allah mentions the dower related to slave girls. Thus Allah repeated the issue of dowry three times, one for permanent marriage, one for temporary marriage and one for the bondwomen.

Again, to stress that Verse 4:24 was revealed about temporary marriage, we present more traditions from the Sunni commentators. Al-Tabari mentioned that:

Mujahid (RA) said: "The phrase 'So for whatever you have had of pleasure (Istamta'tum) with them by the contract [4:24]' means the Temporary Marriage (Nikah al-Mut'a)."
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Tabari, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p176, Tradition #9034.

Also many Sunni commentary books mentioned similar to the tradition of Sahih al-Bukhari (see part II) with more details and put it under the verse 4:24 of Quran:

Imran Ibn Husain narrated: "The verse of Mut'a (4:24) was revealed in Allah's Book, and there did NOT came any other verse after that to abrogate it; and the Prophet ORDERED US to do it, so we did it at the time of Allah's Apostle, and he did not forbade us from it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own mind suggested."
Sunni reference:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, v3, pp 200,202, under the verse 4:24
Tafsir Ibn Hayyan, v3, p218, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran
Tafsir Nisaboori, by al-Nisaboori (8th century)
So it is clear that 'Imran Ibn Husain is talking about Mut'a of women here, otherwise the above Sunni commentators would not put it under this verse, or else such scholars are just stupid (may Allah protect us from such words). The positioning of such traditions is another proof for the fact that the verse 4:24 is about Mut'a of women.

In many traditions in the Sunni commentaries of Quran, the phrase "to an appointed time" has been added to Verse 4:24 after the word Istamta'tum. In other words, it reads "So for whatever you have enjoyed (Istamta'tum) them by the contract to an appointed time":

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This however should be considered as commentary of the verse which was revealed along with Quran, but NOT as a part of the Quran. In fact, many verses were revealed by Allah which are not embodied in the present Quran because they were commentaries of the verses of Quran, but not a part of Quran itself. It is well-known that Hadith Qudsi is also revelation, but it is not a part of Quran. In fact Quran testifies that anything that the Prophet said was revelation. Allah Almighty said in Quran about Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) that:

"Nor does he (Muhammad) speak out of his desire. Whatever he says is nothing but a revelation that is revealed." (Quran 53:3-4).
Thus all the speeches of the Prophet were revelation, and surely the speeches of the Prophet were not limited to Quran. It also includes interpretation of Quran as well as his Sunnah. Now let's go back to the traditions which I wanted to present. It is narrated that:

Abu Nadhra said: Ibn Abbas (RA) recited the verse 4:24 with the addition of "to an appointed time". I said to him: "I did not read it this way." Ibn Abbas replied: "I swear by Allah, this is how Allah revealed it," and Ibn Abbas repeated this statement three times."
Sunni references:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, v8, p177, Tradition #9038
Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Jubair.
also:

Abu Nadhra said: I asked Ibn Abbas about temporary marriage (Mut'a of women). Ibn Abbas (RA) said: "Do you not read 'For whatever you enjoyed (Istamta'tum) them by the contract to an appointed time'?" I said: "If I would have read it this way, I wouldn't ask you (about temporary marriage)!" He replied: "Certainly the verse is about it."
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p177, Traditions #9036-9037

It is also narrated that:

al-Suddy (RA) said: "The verse 'So for those of whom you have had pleasure with them by the contract to an appointed time' is about Mut'a, that is, a man marries a woman with a provision (i.e., dowry) for a fixed period of time and makes two witnesses, and (if virgin,) he asks the permission of her guardian, and when the time period is expired, they should separate and they will not inherit each other."
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p176, Tradition #9033

Moreover:

Abu Karib said Yahya said: "I saw a book with Nasir in which it was: 'So for whatever you have had of pleasure with them by the contract to an appointed time.'"
Sunni references:

Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the verse 4:24, pp 176-177, Tradition #9035
Tafsir al-Kabir, by al-Tha'labi, under commentary of verse 4:24 of Quran narrating similar tradition from Ibn Abi Thabit.
Another companion, Ubay Ibn Ka'ab (who based on authentic Sunni sources the Prophet ordered the companions to trust him in the matter of Quran as one of the three trustee persons in this regard. See Sahih al-Bukhari, English, vol. 6, Tradition #521) also mentioned that additional phrase:

Qatadah (RA) said: "The way that Ubay Ibn Ka'ab recited the verse was: 'So for those of whom you enjoyed by the contract to an appointed time.'"
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, under the commentary of verse 4:24, v8, p178, Tradition #9041

Beside the above mentioned authorities, there were others such as Sa'id Ibn Jubair, Abi Is'haq, and Umay who have also mentioned this extra phrase when reading this verse. Well, as I said, this extra phrase, though revealed, was only commentary and not a part of Quran. If one wants to write it, he should put it inside curly brackets showing that it is not a part of Quran. There are many of such extra phrases which can be found in both Shia and Sunni sources, but they are only the divine interpretation of the verses.

This concludes the discussion on the Quranic verse of Mut'a and what Sunni commentators had to say about the verse. In the next part, we Insha Allah study the authentic Sunni collections of traditions with regard to temporary marriage.
PoliticsRe: Opulence And Chaos Meet In An African Boomtown by seyibrown(f): 6:48pm On Aug 19, 2008
@bluehorizo,

Bros abeg, which part of Lagos you go find hotel room for NGN2000?

Wetin be the standard of that kain hotel?

U fit forward me names and pictures of those kain hotels?

How accessible are these NGN2000 hotels from Muritala Muhammed Airport?
RomanceRe: Ever Been Embarrased? by seyibrown(f): 3:53pm On Aug 19, 2008
When I was in JSS3 , we used to have this quiz nights and it was usually boys vs girls.

I happen to be one of the brainy girls, so I was on the girls team.

Then there came this question to to which I answered ', is when a male ejaculates semen in his sleep. It's normal, unavoidable and totally natural'

The Prefect asking the questions looked at me horrified and repeated the question again. I heard it right this time. He had asked me to define 'WEATHERING' and not 'WET DREAMS'

I managed to bone face and answer that 'weathering is the breaking down of rock particles through direct contact with atmospheric elements'.

After all, it's still all part of being brainy grin grin grin
TravelRe: Stripped Completely By British Immigration Officials by seyibrown(f): 2:42pm On Aug 19, 2008
I am not sure if anyone needs to be undressed to be searched for drugs in this age and time.

They can carry out the search with the right equipment without undressing them.

I feel bad that they were subjected to such treatment.
PoliticsRe: What Can Honest Nigerians Do to Stop 'Nigerian Scams'? by seyibrown(f): 11:24am On Aug 19, 2008
I am an honest Nigerian o!
RomanceRe: How The Loss Of A Beloved Affects Your Love Life: My Own Experience by seyibrown(f): 10:55am On Aug 19, 2008
I lost 3 very important women in my life in the last 4 years. Two of them were relatives but they were closer to my family than my parents immediate families. The third and most recent is my grandmother whom I lost some 4 weeks ago. I cry as I write this. These women were there for us through thick and thin. When my parents nearly split up due to pressure from my paternal relatives some 10 years ago, they made sure it never happened. With women like them in your life, you'd take on the world.  Everything I am today, I couldn't have been without the significant contributions they made. I would never forget them, never, never, never, till the day I die. I keep remembering their voices, their smiles and all the times we shared together.

I was particularly looking forward to seeing my Grandma at the end of this year but she isn't there now. I sobbed like a child for throughout the week following her death. She was 69, still strong, very independent and still ran her own business.

When myself and my siblings were still very little, we would spend the weekend at her place. She would spank us when it was necessary and reward us when we were good. We wouldn't miss those weekends with her for the world. We loved are dearly.

My grandmother greets me with a smile and a hug and says 'Arike jojolawo' and my head swells with pride. And she does the same with all my siblings, greeting them with their special names.

She died as a result of head injuries in a car accident. I wish I could have stopped that accident from happening.

Mama, sleep well. We all loved you, still love and will never forget you.

I hold fond memories with these wonderful women dear to my heart.
TravelRe: DV Lottery 2008: Banned From US For 'Falsified' WAEC Results by seyibrown(f): 2:11pm On Aug 18, 2008
Immigration rules are being tightened all the time but are we being told the whole story here?
Was is just your WAEC Cert or plus other documents you submitted? Have you tried getting into the US using forged or documents that are not yours before?


If you think there has been no fault/ misrepresentation of information on your part, please appeal.


@CHARLZH
My WAEC cert states a DOB 2 years higher than my DOB but it didn't stop me from getting a visa. Typos happen all the time. Cert Holders do not type or print them themselves, WAEC does.
TravelRe: What Do You Think of Poland? by seyibrown(f): 1:28pm On Aug 06, 2008
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PoliticsRe: I Saw This And Wanted To Share by seyibrown(f): 2:53am On Aug 06, 2008
I do pity those people but I am sure they were given some sort of notice about the demolition.

Those who followed proper procedures when acquiring their land can come together and fight for compensation.
CareerRe: My Salary Account Was Credited Twice by seyibrown(f): 2:39am On Aug 06, 2008
The money ain't yours, so don't keep it!
CareerRe: How Much Money Must You Make Before Returning To Nigeria? by seyibrown(f): 2:27am On Aug 06, 2008
I'll suggest that you have enough money for two houses, two cars, a small or medium size business that'll generate enough income to fund your standard of living plus a nice sum of money in a high yielding account.

Try to plan your resettling over a period of 2 years.(Saving the money takes more than 2 years, me thinks)
PoliticsRe: Abuja CCTV's Are Not Functional by seyibrown(f): 1:05am On Aug 02, 2008
Here we go again! Always putting the cart before the horse! huh huh
TravelRe: What Was Your First Job Abroad? by seyibrown(f): 9:55pm On Jul 31, 2008
I came here on a 2 year holiday, got a job as a carer, full-time live-in carer, everything I needed came with the job so I never lacked anything. Being a carer isn't easy but I enjoyed it.

My employer and her family were just like my family. It was a wonderful time and we are still family. God bless them all.

I did the caring for 1 year and holidayed 1 year.

Got married, now my own boss and working towards greater things.

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