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sehawale: @Find Out. U did far more than giving an advice! U just educated me on these two cars. My mind seems made up after reading thru your reply.

About passing on the car to my wife later, I am single but my girlfriend even prefers the Camry.

I am not minimizing car stability especially at high speed cos i've driven honda civic for a few years. Even when my Honda could do more speed, i got scared to do it cos it felt too light...

Thanks once again

Glad i could be of help bro. I assume you r going for the camry. If you don't mind the extra fuel bill, i suggest you go for the V6. But you have to be careful o. Lol. Coz even in older V6 model camrys, you wont know you r on 160km/hr until you glance at the speedometer. Your engine will be so silent & your car soo stable. I love V6 engines, but as of now, if i wan buy car today, na I4 o. I no get fuel money. When man pikin hammer, ehen, na V6 straight *Infiniti G35 on my mind* lol.

Divide & Conquer tactics. I'm tempted tp agree with you. Coz their 'demands' are just plain silly. I have no doubt that some one or some group of people who stand to gain a lot from a dis-united and broken Nigeria are behind these chaos, but i strongly believe the FG can do much more to stop this. They should stop calling them faceless. How are they faceless? Do criminals post their office and home address for people to see? No, the law enforcement agents smoke them out by whatever means possible.

Xtians & muslims, LET US UNITE to fight this common enemy. If you are sincere with yourselves, you'll know that what is being practiced is not Islam.

For crying out loud, Abdulmutallab's FATHER reported his son to the US embassy when he noticed the boy was showing extremist tendecies. Saudi Arabia expelled Osama bin Laden, when they noticed same too, despite his father's wealth & influence in that country. & tho the average hausa man, may be violent when provoked (same as or a bit more than the average yoruba/ibo man), most of them in the north are peaceful & simple.

Pre-bokoharam, ask any corper who served in the north how he was treated by the indigenes. Infact till now, i dare say most northern states are the most hospitable to youth corpers & foreigners than other states in Nigeria. Those peeps have been living in relative peace with their foreign neighbours since, with the exception of some riots here and there,(when jealousy at the success of foriegners rears its head in the minds of a few misguided fools) when a form of xenophobia is experienced.

Most of the leaders from the North havent done well for their people, tho at the same time, i dare say that the best leader(s) Nigeria has ever had since independence have come from that region. I'll leave others to confirm or refute this. The northern leaders have polarised the people on the basis of religion & tribe. The polarisation has spread to other parts of the country,as shown in the 'results' of the last election.

It is time for Nigerians to UNITE. Breaking up the country into pieces will not stop bokoharam from bombing if they dont want to, it won't stop kidnappers from operating in the SE/SW, & it wont stop corruption. Infact, I think corruption will increase, especially in the region/new country with oil. Infact, should Nigeria break up peacefully(not likely goin to happen), into how many regions is it going to break into? (another issue that will cause more fight), lets even say the SS is on its own, i forsee an increase in corruption & simultaneously, crime rate if the current trend on governance is sustained. We can begin to see already that Gov. Seriake is more concerned about pleasing the Jonathans than bayelsans. Too much money flowing, no developments on ground.

We have a President, clueless or not, he has a 1 trillion naira defence budget in his kitty, let us channel our ''Nigeria break up'' energies towards demanding for answers and solutions to our problems. How big is Nigeria anyway that one competent man cannot handle? Is a competent man there? Answer yourselves. Who voted him in? Answer yourselves again.


For those saying it is northern politicians causing mayhem & painting GEJ bad, have you ever heard the wise saying ''A bad workman blames his tools''?

Nigeria can solve its security problems(which include BH & kidnapping). We have the money and the manpower. The leadership must be impressed upon to do their job. Let us stop making excuses for their excesses and inefficiencies.

[quote author=ba_aliyah]Buy baby boy and keep N120k for imminent gear box problem.[/quote]NICE ONE!!!! But OP could be lucky to get a manual gear baby boy. I've seen some, none for sale though. Then, I've heard that Honda genrally has the issue of tires coming off, i.e. Seperating from the axle/ bearing. Front tires especially. Dyu have anything on this?

Hmmm...tough choice.

The new Elantra is lovely, very CUTE, in and out. New design for that matter. Hyundai has a good track record in Nigeria as far as I know, & judging by their models in the last 10 yrs, plus personal experience of a family friend, I dare say, Hyundai is pretty rugged. I believe it comes with a 1.8 litre engine, & I know for certain that its not as heavy as the camry.

The camry 2011 is cool. Tho the shape has been around for 5 years, & another generation has replaced it. Therefore its no longer the ''latest model''. Its a camry, i.e. It is rugged, durable e.t.c. It is MAJESTIC. It has a 2.4 litre engine ( for the 4 cylinder) & a 3.5litre engine for the V6.

*note the words in block letters in my description of both cars.lol*

That said, I believe I'll enjoy a trip from lagos to Ibadan better in the Camry than in the Elantra for the obvious fact that the camry will be more balanced at high speeds than the elantra. & personally, I love acceleration & power.
If you buy the Elantra, you may not have anything to do on the car for the next 3 years except regular servicing.
If you buy a non-accidented very low mileage 2011 camry toks (shouldnt be hard to get), you MAY also not have anything to do to the engine for a long time, except routine servicing.

If you buy your Elantra at Stallion or anywhere in Nigeria, its likely to come with only 2 or 4 airbags. However, they'll have the ''full option'' ones too that come with 10 airbags, but you'll likely have to cough out an extra 500k (minimum) to get that.

If you buy a toks Camry XLE, you'll get american specs standard & much more luxury & safety features than the Elantra *i dont know if the camry 2011 has auxilliary audio jack tho*


I dont want to give you a straight up advice, coz its your money , thats why I'm simply enlightening you further about the cars tho i'm making a few assumptions here coz I dont know the spec level (GLS, LE, XLE) of the cars in question you r considering.

So, if it were me, I think I'll go for a non accidented, low mileage, clean history 2011 Camry XLE (preferably V6) rather than a brand new 2011 Elantra GLS, especially one bought in Nigeria.

All the best. & pls update the thread when you make your choice.

& if you have a wife & wouldnt mind giving here the car after a while, just buy the Elantra. She'll love it


Note that the Elantra is more fuel efficient than the camry, & you'll notice the difference even more when compared with a V6 camry.

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Jarus: Agba o nitan l'orile

Lol. Amin o!!! Oga Jarus, you sef dey feel Bros insight abi? This is what i consider the essence of nairaland. LEARNING from others, even while educating them.

To the best of my knowledge, a permit is NOT necessary for factory tints. Or else, all Toyota Sienna, Honda Oddysey, many SUVs owners would have to obtain the permit & thats a lot of people. Too many people. That said, a close family member has been driving an SUV with factory tinted rear windows for almost 3 years now & hasnt run into trouble with the men in black over the issue. He simply points out that its factory tinted, rolls down the glass so they can see the tip properly to prove it to them & is allowed to go.

Tho, if Naija police/FRSC wan delay or extort you, they can almost ask you for your international passport sef.lol. *kiddin o*, but they can ask for anything.

Beaf: I agree with the bolded.
It further strengthens the reason that we should encourage govt to hands off everything. The day avenues for obscene money making dry up in Abuja is the day we will start developing.

Lol. But hope you know that at the same time, the government needs to be in charge of certain things, so they can ''have mouth'' when its time to put up regulations and enforce them. I think its also necessary to WEED OUT & PUNISH (where necessary) the inefficient and corrupt people who have made government the way it is now. Government is made up of people, people who can very well be thrown in jail if they mess up. & I can assure you, once we have a few PROPER scapegoats, who have been decisively & properly dealt with, the others will sit up, or at least most of the others. That's how we Nigerians (human beings generally I think) behave. We almost always need something to ginger us to work hard. The Government can be made efficient. It just needs proper & strategic cleansing, plus attitudinal change which MUST start from the TOP.

Kobojunkie: I don't cross my fingers anymore on issues Nigeria. I am still trying to recover from the cramps from the Obasanjo years. lol

On waiting, you do realize that if nothing comes of this, that will be 2.5 years of people's lives lost.

LOL @ cramps. True sha, we cross fingers tire & not much came out of it. I read an article by Sonala Olumhense a few days ago on the OBJ administration and I was literally shaking my head. Soooo many achievements could have been fitted into those years, but unfortunately, it wasnt so. Make i no derail thread.

Well, on waiting, I've learnt in life that if you do not have much expectations about someone/something (without malice), you wont get disappointed eventually

manny4life: It depends on what kind of cost you're talking about. If the cost of removing subsidy (opportunity) to have independent refineries is greater than economic benefit, then I'll say I reject the status quo, but if not, then I'm all for it.

BTW, idk what going on with Orient, the last I heard, they had some logistics to work out. I mean you will expect such given that we lack infrastructure to boost development.

Good.
Lacking infrastructure to boost development = Unfavourable climate for business = Rise in cost of doing business = My concerns about a PRIVATE (i.e. Profit oriented) firm setting up the refineries which we the masses will be directly/indirectly paying for upon completion.

Again again (as Madam Kobo likes to point out.lol), I keep my fingers crossed.

Beaf: Dude, development cannot come for free. There is no way we can keep up with the petroleum subsidy or any of our previous backward economic practices and hope to progress. Those are the very things holding us back, stopping us from applying ourselves and allowing chaos to reign.
No serious country subsidises armed robbers journeys or randy old sugardaddies journeys with a blind, all encompassing subsidy; instead, subsidies are given directly to research firms, farmers, targeted industries, education, health etc; all areas of wellbeing, wealth and employment generation.
What is left of the subsidy needs to go so more firms can come in and put refineries on the ground.

GEJ's govt is all about removing the FG's hands from the money pot and creating an enabling environment for the private sector to drive development and wealth generation, as obtains across the developed World. It is the next best thing after true federalism.
That is the way it should be, govt has always been poor at running services, from NEPA to NITEL. Even NNPC, corruptions very own shrine, is being lined up for privatisation, balkanisation and accountability.
Bro, this is your time and my time to seek opportunities.

Well, fingers crossed is what I can say here. You made points but Nigeria has a way of making even the easiest thing difficult. Lets hope the refinery business will be different

Kobojunkie: I have posted no complaints myself however i do not agree with you on Nigerian owned refineries. The current refineries are still struggling to improve capacity. We have read so many false news of the refineries working at near full capacity, only to read later on that it was all a lie.

Over the weekend, Saturday Punch revealed this in it's report.
http://www.punchng.com/news/two-of-nigerias-refineries-pack-up-others-produce-at-25-of-installed-capacity/

At this point, a Nigerian-run refinery does not make sense to me.

you have a point there as well. I actually later posted a modified version of the post you quoted. Its indeed true, a foreign firm is likely to do a better job managing the refineries than a Nigerian owned firm.

I guess nothing to do but cross our fingers & see what happens eventually. 2.5yrs is not such a long time

manny4life: First, to my knowledge of the report, the FG is not partnering with them, perhaps, doesn't have any sorta equity in it.

Second, ask yourself, what is the cost of crude oil/barrel? What is the cost of refining and distribution? That should highlight for you if the price will remain or go downward. Isn't the removal of subsidies the issue of the subsidy saga? Nigerians were angry because there was no gas and other resources YET they paid more, now you have refineries which is supposedly to be built (keeping my finger crossed), YET yall complain.

Nah, we not complaining. We just kinda prefer a situation whereby the refineries are owned by the Government of Nigeria. I dont think that amounts to ''complaining'', does it?

Thanks for your input tho

Its the costs implication/profitability/feasibility/overall impact on NIGERIANS i would want us to properly assess. Please note that the major social amenity on which businesses thrive in Nigeria i.e. POWER has not been fully addressed yet. Lack of power supply drives up the cost of business. & a private refinery is business.

Btwm,wassup with Orient refinery

manny4life: First, to my knowledge of the report, the FG is not partnering with them, perhaps, doesn't have any sorta equity in it.

Second, ask yourself, what is the cost of crude oil/barrel? What is the cost of refining and distribution? That should highlight for you if the price will remain or go downward. Isn't the removal of subsidies the issue of the subsidy saga? Nigerians were angry because there was no gas and other resources YET they paid more, now you have refineries which is supposedly to be built (keeping my finger crossed), YET yall complain.

Nah, we not complaining. We just kinda prefer a situation whereby the refineries are owned by the Government of Nigeria, or at least, a private NIGERIAN firm. I dont think that amounts to ''complaining'', does it?

Thanks for your input tho

OK. OK.

@Beaf & other pro GEJs, I (& other Nigerians too i believe) would have loved a situation whereby the refineries are wholly owned by the Nigerian government. During the subsidy brouhaha back in Dec/Jan/Feb, i read some articles from different sources which point to the fact (or assertion if you please) that the refining business is not so profitable anymore, hence the closure/divestment of many refineries by top companies around the world. So, my point of view then was (still is) that its better for the government to build the refineries, coz the government can absorb (initial) losses / initial low profit margins better than a private firm. I STRONGLY believe Nigeria has the funds to construct the refineries, without recourse to the worldbank or the dreaded IMF for aids/loans/stuff like that.
Now that we have the FG partnering with a PRIVATE AMERICAN firm, I want to know:


Will this development bring down the retail prices of PMS, AGO, DPK & other by products? Considering the fact that any firm will want to recoup its investments as soon as possible. & lets admit, with the PHCN tarriff increment ''to attract private investors in the power sector'', i do not think this govt will have any qualms about shifting the price burden on Nigerians when the refineries are completed probably so as to attract ''more investments in the oil sector''. So again i ask, will there really be a downward change in price of products??

@ Others (not ProGEJ), Please feel free to comment/answer my questions above. & lets TRY to refrain from insults. Let this thread be educative. I miss those days on NL when points were properly challenged/dissected/supported without the use of too many insults.

For the record, I'm not impressed so far with the performance of GEJ as President. I did not vote for him & probably still wont in 2015, UNLESS he impresses me & majority of Nigerians. But he's the president, & we can't but wish him well for our sake. While we criticize him, especially on a forum like this, let us do so constructively i.e. with valid points & facts & figures. Gbawe, u r needed here.

If this is a good move, people, please educate the house, if it is not, give us reasons. I do not think it is, like I've said earlier, but i await education on the matter via proper analysis with facts.

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rhymz: You are a fool that has little or no intellectual capacity to understand what you are blabbing about.
First of all, its establishment as presently set up is not even constitutional. Sanusi your bigoted hero went above his powers to give operational licence to Jaiz banks without the consent of a finance minister who in turn would have sought for the redraft of the BOFIA from the NA if need be(something I am certain the finance minister will not do) with regards to the status of Islamic banks having different guidelines and their mode of operation.
What Sanusi did was to hurriedly draft guidelines which gave unconstitutional powers to islamic banks to operate as a separate non-interest bank model with very different rules and regulation guiding it establishment. For instance, to set up a non-interest bank in Nigeria, you will have to raise the required 25billion naira capital base but with Sanusi's redraft, the separate regulations he drafted to establish an islamic bank demands that the islamic operators come up with 10billion naira, how fraudulent is that?? As if that was not enough, he also set up a sharia supervisory council in the CBN, something alien to non-muslim countries that allowed islamic banking. The implication of this is that, the Islamic north and muslims in general will have an islam banking sector existing in parallel with the conventional banking sector.
In a way, muslims want to use tax payers money to create an environment different from what is constitutionally recognized and give themselves an undue advantage in the banking sector by reducing the requirement base to set up their own banks while conventional non-interest bank models pay up the constitutional 25billion capital base.
In the end they most likely will operate like the conventional banks charging all manner of fees and interest in different muslim name but basically thesame mathematical charges and terms, from marked up charges to profit and loss, all pointing at commission and charges but playing at semantics. We all not stooopid you know? Instead of you blabbing utter ignorance it is best you don't expose your lack of depth but if you wanna try, bring it on.

Dude, quit ranting unnecessarily and educate yourself with this

www.newswatchngr.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3430&Itemid=28



Whether you agree or not, islamic banking predated Sanusi at the CBN. This Jaiz bank was granted an Approval In Principle (AIP) to operate in 2004, but they could not meet up to the minimum capital base stipulated by the CBN. Use your internet, go online & read important financial bodies' views on islamic banking, then come back & tell me if its not good for Nigeria. While you are at it, you may also wish to review the guidelines for its set up in Nigeria & tell me anywhere you find marginalisation of xtians or people of other religions.


Nigerians will never learn. If we continue to allow religious & tribal bigotry becloud our sense of reasonin, our journey to the 'promised land' will continue to be postponed indefinitely.

Basic: Do you mean a country called the "Islamic Republic of Britain" now exists in your own geographical atlas of stupidity?
You just gave me another reason to admit that common sense is not common!

Bro, please consult your dictionary to find out the meaning of SARCASM. Obviously, you didnt read my post to the end. Or if you did, you just didnt get it.

[quote author=Mr.Lu.Gold]"justnotwise" i live in Abuja, Calabar and Lagos. Three places i'm prouder to say i live in than Camden or Central London or whatever metropolis in UK you live in that makes you feel you are more special than the dust i swept out of my office this morning. That's right! i said it Negro!![/quote]Jeeezzzz!!!! Why the hostility i'm seriously tempted to think you are beefing the dude. Abeg, lets be civil here please.


May God provide UK visas for those who earnestly yearn for it. Amen.

991: Young man, as time goes on you shall learn from experience. One of the things to consider when going into marriage is AGE, like 'it or hate it!'

Lol. Yes sir. But then, i think i forgot to mention that I know a couple quite well, both approaching 60. They are the same age & i KNOW they've never had issues based on the zero year difference between them

[quote author=Mrs.Chima]Yes...there are. [/quote]Lol. Or did Mrs. Chima meet Mr. Chima i d US?lol

Well spoken indeed. Unfortunately, come people will pass by this thread, ignore it, or push their noses up at it, then go off to an islam bashing thread & post there that muslim religious & traditional leaders are not coming out to condemn bokoharam.

I hope this makes frontpage sha.

Timehin: I watched his interview on an AIT political propgramme over a week ago and I even opened a thread regarding his claims.

He's been saying over and over again that the FG knows the 1 person that can negotiate an end of bokoharam insurgencies and he also claimed there is a document submitted to the govt on the way forward but saboteurs in the FG are against it.

Hmmmm....but really, lets look at it. If there was no bokoharam, there would have been no reasonable justification for a 1TRILLION naira defence budget. 1 TRILLION naira which we havnt seen its impact halfway into the year. Funny. I would love to see the breakdown of how the money was spent by the end of the year.

May God help us to help ourselves & our leaders put a STOP to this BH menace

Slizbeat: Jaiz bank ko, jazz bank ni. So long as it has an islamic license, it shouldnt operate around the south east/south south, period. They tried islamising 9ja 2ru boko bt it wont work, Now they setup a non-interest collecting bank so as to cease our cash after depositing them so we wont be able to buy arms whenever they begin thier senseless killing. Hmm, nice plan but your plan will fail except for some people who just heard "non-interest...." and jumps into it without getting to know its hidden agenda. Well go on, let the wise hear and abstain from it if they like.

Hmmm.....its true o!!! I gbadun your logic here. U r very brilliant. I heard that since Islamic bank of Britain has been in operation in the UK, Britain has been gradually islamised. Infact, its totally islamised now. Even the financial experts at the World bank, ACCA etc who have lent their voices in support of islamic banking have been islamised too.

Brother, God gave you a brain to think. Show your appreciation to Him by making good use of it always.

Peace.

chinaaman: The bank is only for Muslims so all Christians should give way.

thats where you r wrong. Both muslims and xtians can be customers and can be employed by the bank. Its part of the guidelines used to set it up & thats how its practiced all over the world where even xtians hold top positions in islamic banks.

Bereal247: ^^A well researched work. Well done!

More like a well researched collection of fabrications. Do your own reasearch into most of his claims about Muhammed UNBIASEDLY & tell me what you'll come up with. Not everything you read on the internet is true, i believe you know that.

desari: @find out

I know there are many decent akata and oyinbos but it is so much different dating a nigerian man. I can feel free to watch my yoruba movies, without him asking me questions all the time about what they are saying (if there are no subitles) i can feel free to cook my ila asepo with all sorts of assorted meat, stock fish and iru( without the person thinking it is stinky) I can feel free to cook my egusi and efo riro without any weird comments. I can discuss business proposals with a naija man in a way that a oyinbo man or akata man will never understand. we can discuss naija politics e.t.c it is just so much sweeter being with a nigerian in my opinion.

I have had a few oyinbos promising me cars, houses, anything i wanted if i would marry them, but i just can't see myself saying "till death do us part" with a oyinbo/akata man.

Lol. I get your point sha. Good Nigerian men are there. I pray you meet the right one.

Akiika: Really!!!!! this is a topic?.....NL is fast becoming forum for gibberish!...Naijas with "oppressing" mentality sha.

Brother, this is an educative thread, if you have a problem with it, maybe u shouldnt comment. nairaland has almost a million members, & whether anybody likes it or not, we have people here who dont even need to talk b4 they ''oppress'' as you put it. & as usual, we will have those who will always beef others. Please dont put yourself in the latter category. If you have a car, share your experience, if you dont have, God will provide your's too. Some people registered on Nairaland as undergraduates a few years ago & now, they've gotten jobs, gotten married & bought CARS, with this forum directly & indirectly responsible for these achievements. My point is, this is a family, lets learn from one another. Not every thread is worth posting in if you dont find it interesting.


Peace.

Icon4s: My first car was a Honda Accord(baby boy).It failed brake just in front of a housing estate in Warri. I was a learner & thank God It was a busy area & I was on slow speed. I still drive d car, 4yrs & 2month after.

U've been using ur baby boy for 4 years? Gud. 3 questions please?

1) What model year is it?
2) Is it a 4 cylinder or V6?
2b) is it auto?
3) Have you ever had cause to change ur gearbox? If yes, how many times?


Sorry to go a little bit off topic, but i think this is helpful too.

Thanx.

OP, OOOOOPeeee, where you dey Oya oya oya, answer Oga Seun o!!! & make sure say u put subsidy ontop am o, or else Oga Seun go just start to dey charge tax from all of una wey dey sell rides here.lol.

nice car I'm always wishing a 4 cylinder version was made.

desari: @tpia,

Tpia, i am not claiming to be bill gates or steve jobs. For a single woman at my age with no children, i do pretty well. If i meet a man a man that is at my financial level then that's great, but if not..i at least want him to be able to buy some stuff like food stuff...go half on the bills when we eat out e.t.c. I don't think i am asking for much. I am going based off a past relationship, where this bobo wanted me to take care of all things financial...needless to say i had to kick him to the curb. I find it hard to respect such men.

Regardless of the fact that i have lived in the U.S for quite few years I am still a naija woman, and i would love it if a guy i was in a relationship came to me of his own free will and said "babe here is some money" cook some fabulous ila asepo and some hot amala for me" instead my ex would want me to buy groceries with my money all the time so he can enjoy the food too. imagine that nonsense?? Thats when i decided no more "akushe folks" bobos have to be able to play their part financialy or they can keep it moving.

LOL @ akushe folks.

@Topic, i believe there are Nigerian men where you reside. I think you should just find out where to find them. & please when you do, professional guy or not, rich guy or not, do not rush in2 a relationship. Frankly, if its an ''oyinbo'' or ''akata'' man you meet who's very decent and meets all your other criteria (excluding nationality of course), I think you should give him a try. Getting into a marriage/relationship is sweet n easy, but with the wrong guy (even if he's yoruba, likes amala & has money) could be hell.

Just saying.