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9jaRealist:
Which doesn’t stop you commenting on current events in Nigeria...SMH
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Yes, I comment on Nigeria events, but am also here to learn and usually defer to people who have first hand knowledge.

Even if I watch Nigeria News all day or do research, all I will get is filtered knowledge made available through someone’s own interpretation.

In your case, you felt that you can get all the information about the US from the internet and through news outlet, which made you to conclude that their are covid-19 testing stations in the US that test everyone and anyone regardless of symptoms or the previous defined contact and travel criteria....I had since challenged you to provide a link authoritative source in US that states that and have not been able to do so.

I took time to read through one of the links you initially provided and look through some of the states criteria and did not see any backing your wrong assertions.

If you have such link, put it up or shut up and learn for once.

9jaRealist:


Not going to be bothered to expend time de-constructing your pedantic post...
But it is important enough to affirm that enumerated rights are ONLY found in the constitution.

I realize Nigerians are raised largely on a diet of “cram-and-recite” and thus would often regurgitate without real comprehension...
But frankly your posts are embarrassingly becoming classic examples of half-knowledge sometimes being even worse than none at all. SMH
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Time to expand your understanding from your myopic cram-n-recite understanding of what enumerated rights are.

The word ‘enumerated’ simply means, mentioned or listed or or counted or defined....enumerated rights simply means rights specifically mentioned in the laws of a particular system given to people there.

It is myopic of you to think that, the constitution is the only source of enumerated rights. The constitution is just one source of such rights, congressional laws is another source, the UN also codifies a number of enumerated rights for everyone on earth e.g. human rights, prisoner of war rights, etc. Enumerated rights are rights derived from exiting laws and the constitution is not the only exiting law, unenumerated rights are rights implied from existing laws. I believe you know how to google, so you can look up those definitions yourself at least learn something.

If you read through my analogies, I didn’t confide my use of enumerated rights to just the constitution as a source, you are the one exposing your half baked knowledge, limiting listed or mentioned rights to only rights contained in the constitution, snap off that myopic mind set and look at the big picture and the meaning and usage of the word enumerate or unenumerate...it’s not a complicate English word.

How are we still having returnees?

I thought all the international airports in Nigeria are currently closed!

9jaRealist:


I would like to think that my familiarity with the constitution dating back to high school (perhaps even grade school ) did not go to waste, so I would respectfully request that you please enlighten us as to which provision in Article 1 bestows enumerated powers to control healthcare on the federal government (and btw, ALL enumerated powers would be listed in Section 8, just in case you are confused where they would be listed).

Meanwhile, while you are searching, you might also seek an explanation as to why SEVERAL states opted out of the federal government's Obamacare Medicaid Expansion or why as many as 26 states opted out of the Obamacare's state insurance exchanges. In addition, perhaps you could explain why Massachusetts was the first (and only) state to enact a universal healthcare law in 2006, then non-existent at federal level.

I realize that it is feature of most Nigerian discourse to focus upon and personally attack or shade discussants rather than focus on the SUBSTANCE of the matter at hand, so while I am loathe to dignify personal attacks, rest assured that as someone born and educated in the United States (and did not have a Nigerian passport before relocation), I am well versed in the US federal (or "federated" as you call it) system.

Meanwhile, returning to the SUBSTANCE of the matter at hand, I have taken the liberty to quickly and cursorily dig up some easily- and publicly -available information on the DIFFERENT requirements of some of the DIFFERENT states that offer the so-called "drive-through" testing, and as can be clearly seen (see linked article below), DIFFERENT criteria apply but NONE requires only symptoms to qualify for testing.

Furthermore, even assuming arguendo that the presence of symptoms was somehow the sole criteria for testing in the US, given that the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic in the US coincided with the thick of the flu season, it would obviously imply that many people were tested who were actually merely showing flu symptoms (which mirrors much of the COVID-19 symptoms), and thus still a wider testing pool than Nigeria's.

Finally, given the acute demographic difference between the population of the United States and Nigeria, as well as the massive disparity in international traffic into the US in comparison to international traffic into Nigeria, the notion of the disparity in the percentile of positive test results in Nigeria and the US as evidence of a sham process in Nigeria, frankly shows a rather poor grasp (even ignorance) of these matters.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/drive-through-coronavirus-testing-locations-where-to-go-in-your-state
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States can’t opt out of a federal mandate, Obamacare came with a out of clause or rather a teaser to allow states to opt in, the initial thinking was that no state could reject the robust offer to get her citizens insured.

Despite states opting out, there are federal exchanges and the fact that your state opt out does not mean as a citizen you are not required to obey the law, you either signed at a federal exchange or get fined, so in essence you are still under the federal guidelines.

Enumerated rights are not only constitutional, the problem you have is, you solely depend on google or third hand information for your option. Congress enacts laws everyday that are not enumerated in the constitution, those laws also become part of federal guidelines that all states at the minimum must follow. In the absent of a federal law or a constitutional enumerated rights, guidelines or laws, states can come in to enact theirs. I doubt know why you brought up MA, did that universal healthcare contravene all federal law? I never stated that states cannot enact their own laws or guidelines, all I stated is if there is a federal guideline or law, states must at the minimum follow them.

You clearly missed my point on someone having a ‘symptoms’. Your symptom must not necessarily lead to the diagnosis of covid-19. You only need to show some of the symptoms listed....it could just be an ordinary cough and the officials will make a judgment call if you qualify to take the test or could be a reaction to an allergy or anything.

The link you sent, does not in anywhere state that you can just show up at a test station without any symptoms and get tested. It still emphasized the fact that, you must show symptoms or get a doctor’s prescription. Getting a doctors’s or having travelled abroad or having been in contact with someone that had tested positive were the initial criteria to get tested. Showing of symptoms was recently added to eliminate the step of first visiting your doctors for a prescription. Within the last 24hrs, it has been added that if you are a first responder you can get tested, in fact new test stations have opened up that are strictly for first responders.

So, you still have not proven your point; show me a link that states they can test all comers, any and all persons that shows up. 1. It is stupid to test everyone that shows up without symptoms, script, travelled abroad, contact with someone with positive result; since you can get it anytime, so testing anyone that shows up makes no sense. 2. Test kits are limited in supply, CDC did not send unlimited approved kits to testing stations...this shortage have made some states to self sourced CDC approved test kits by themselves and they are not going to waste those kits...some states even stated, they will not test you even if you are showing symptoms unless if they determine that, a positive covid-19 test result will change your course of treatment, this is a more strict requirement from that of CDC, but it is in line as states can enact more strict ones.

No matter how available information is, they are always secondary to first hand information.

shogz89:
where is your source for saying Nigeria has only tested 170 people. The state governors and senate and their aids alone is more than 170..

WHO, you can check it out yourself, I don’t need to provide any link, you can check WHO worldwide stats online.

Psalmy2cute:
but this virus seems to be spreading fast in the west than any other part of the world..

more like....the west seem to be testing more people than any other part of the world.

US alone have tested more than 500,000 people with about 105,000 confirmed positive; which is about 21% positive test rate. Nigeria have tested about 170 people with 70 confirmed positive, which is about 41%.

CoronaVirusPro:
Even a test is running in New York which I believe the result might be out today. Blood samples of victims who survived the virus being transfused into the sick.

I just hope it works. The panic needs to be subdued at this stage and a cure will perfectly do.

I heard Cuomo saying that the other, those samples must have come from out of state.

I have not seen any stats from NY indicating that anyone have fully recovered, also surprisingly is that the mortality rate is NY is very small compare to the infection rate....even lower than that of the flu.

9jaRealist:
What exactly is your picture supposed to prove?
That ONE single testing center in the 50-state US requires symptoms for testing?

The US is not like Nigeria....
It's a real FEDERAL system, and states makes many of their own public health decisions.
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It is really difficult to have an objective conversation with some of you, do you have any evidence that any of the public or CDC testing centers open to the public are testing anyone without symptoms or contact to someone who have tested positive?

You are more than 8000 miles away arguing baselessly, what has Federal system got to do with testing for disease? FYI, all the states follow CDC guidance in their testing. States can put more strict testing protocol, but they cannot be more relax than the federal guidance set in place by CDC.

NY & NJ have tested more people in their 10s of thousands than all the other states combined, even in some of these states; people with symptoms are having difficulty testing, those test sites are not as liberal and free as the ones in the North East.

You clearly does not know how a federated government work...in a federated system, states only have UN-enumerated rights....once rights and rules are set federally, all states in the federation must meet those minimum standards or guidance. Healthcare and medicine in the united states is enumerated and controlled federally and as such, all states must at the minimum meet the federal standards.

ITbomb:
I would disagree with you

Test are done by almost all the personnel all over the country and it would be waste of time to document each of them (considering the inadequate manpower)

However every confirmed case is escalated to the database because that's where action is needed.

Not true my brother.

You can’t field test for covid-19, at least not yet. All collected samples are sent to the labs....just like the OP was saying, the sample labs that are sending out confirmed cases to CDC I believe also send them the number of tests they have done.

CDC is just withholding that data, most likely because they have tested very few people, at least WHO got the data on the number of people tested, which is below 200; also maybe CDC does not want us to know that, only the few highly connected and those who make a lot of noise on social media get tested.

Each Hospital in Nigeria should be able to collect test samples and send them to the labs for testing, each state CDC office should at least have a designated test lab.

MetalJigsaw:
So what s your suggestion

1. There should be at least one CDC labs capable of testing for this virus in each state.
2. Each Hospital in the country should be able to take samples from each symptomatic patient and send to the the CDC lab in their States once a day.
3. Each LGA chairman should be mandated to sensitize their people to either go to the CDC lab or the nearest hospital to get tested if they are having symptoms or have been in contact with someone who test positive.
4. Immediate quarantine for anyone who test positive.
5. Immediate quarantine for at least 14 days for everyone entering the country. Don’t ask them to fill a form and release them.
6. Care for those who test positive.
7. Enforce social distancing.
8. Ministry of Information should fill the airwaves with information through radio, TV, etc and in many languages telling citizens on how best to protect themselves and their families.

9jaRealist:
Nope, you can get tested in the US w/out symptoms in those so-called "drive-through" test centers set up in some states...
Meanwhile, Nigeria tests only those with symptoms and trace contacts (which was why the "highly connected" at Aso Rock were tested).
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The policy in the US, is no symptoms, no testing even in the drive- through centers.

Am leaving in what is currently called the epicenter of the current out break and was driving on GSP today through Middletown that houses one of those centers.....this some of the pictures I took while on high speed.....

The prints are very small, but you should be able to see the bottom of that sign of no symptoms, no test. So States in US are even more restrictive in the drive through, in NY in some, it is no Doctor’s prescription, no testing....in some States, you only get tested if it is determined that your positive test results will change the course of your treatment.

9jaRealist:
NO country on earth has the capacity to test everyone...
Not just the testing equipment but the needed reagents are obviously in acute demand worldwide at this time.

Accordingly, each country necessarily PRIORITIZES who gets tested...
In Nigeria's case, those already showing symptoms go directly to the front of the line.

Ultimately, COVID-19 is a virus, with a 2-week lifespan...
Thus, even with limited testing capacity, self-isolation and social distance should flatten the curve and then break the infection chain.
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No country test everyone, even in the US, if you are not showing symptoms, you don’t get tested.

It is false to assume that, Nigeria is testing everyone that shows symptoms, Nigeria does not have the capacity to test everyone that shows symptoms, therefore they are only testing the highly connected and those who make a lot of noise and resides in few of the major city centers.

We have seen community spread in Nigeria as a result, there should have been testing centers in all the states if not LGAs.

9jaRealist:
Figures announced EVERYWHERE in the world are obviously less than actual cases...
Not only because many are asymptomatic, but because the only to get accurate figures is to test EVERYONE - which is impossible..
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Nigeria’s case is hugely under estimated.

One of the major issue is our limited testing capacity, since the start of testing in Nigeria; we have only been able to test less than 200 people and 50 of those are positive, which is scary because that is like 25% positive for every test.

Whereas South Africa have done about 20,000 test, with about 700 positive, which is like 4%.

The US have done about 420,000 tests with about 69,000 positive, which is like 16%.

So, Nigeria’s case should be close to what is been reported in the US.

Dibblez:
You can sue them to court! Somehow somehow they may fine the company and you may get some cash! Haha not sure though!

Tough luck!

There is what is called, chain of custody when it comes to evidenced in court.

You will have a hard time proving that, it was the company who did it, period!

azimo:
Some one just made a complain and stand a chance so people can take note.all you guys can do is call her names,why is black people from Africa so stupid ? I believe there is something wrong with that part of the brain that makes people reason in a black person mostly blacks from africa.

She comes off as rude and full of herself by any standard.

Her complains are all in line and appropriate until she pulled the ‘am not in anyone’s level here’.

Imagine walking into a police state or a court anywhere in the world to present a complain and you add ‘am not in anyone’s level here’ which is a blanket statement inclusive of the the people you are complaining to; you will receive nasty and unwholesome remarks that will match or supersede yours.

Commentor:
He tested negative but he coughs therefore he's showing signs.

Knobheads.

The covid-19 test, have a false negative & false positive rate percentage built in. It is not 100% fool proof, plus one can get it a minute after testing negative, one can even get it from the place the test is being conducted.

So, if anyone is showing symptoms of the disease, they should go for a confirmatory test, even if they had tested negative before.

Likewise, a very few percentage of people that have tested ‘positive’ might actually not be having the infection as they fall under the false positive stats. I will suspect that some of the people who are asymptomatic but tested positive might be false positive.

SweetCunt97:
Aso Rock occupants no fit afford ordinary ventilator

Bros, you can’t even see a ventilator to buy now, even if you have all the monies.

US, UK and Germany have cleaned the market off all the available ventilators and have started ordering manufacturers within their borders to manufacture solely for them period!

The good news is, none of these countries will accept any of these sick politicians or admit them into their countries, we are stuck in 9ja. The common man in Nigeria will not see a single ventilator and the few ones available wouldn’t be enough for the rich and powerful.

OROSUNBOLB:
If a cure is not found for this disease before it penetrates the hinterlands of Africa,especially Nigeria, Italy's case will be a child's play,God forbid. A lot of factors such as ignorance,poverty, excessive religious belief,dirty environments ,lack of right medical equipments and logistics
etc will naturally aid its spread in Africa.

Some Nigerians still believe that the virus attack is a scam ! These categories of people still live their 'normal lives' without any caution thereby constituting a major threat to the entire populace.

I'm not an alarmist but I strongly believe that the virus has spread much more in this country than what is currently being reported. There is hardly any state that is free of the virus now,truth be told.

The governments need to put in more efforts to combat this disease than the fire brigade approach we are witnessing now.

Dude forget it!

Even if a cure is found tomorrow, Nigeria and Africa will be las las to get it.

The whiteman will ensure that everyone of their citizen get the cure before they will allow it to leave their shore.

Just like US currently put export restrictions on encrypted software, they will stamp a big bold export restriction on it. In fact Trump is locked in a battle with Angela Merkel, because Trump is trying to lure a German company actively trying to produce the vaccine away from German to US.

We did this to ourselves by continuing to elect clueless and corrupt leaders. The silver lining here is, no one is immune and their ill gotten wealth is not going to safe them neither will their mansions and high fences be a barrier.

When this blows over, maybe this will help drive home the important lesson, that charity begins at home.

DeRay98:
That's why our elders say, "book sense, no be god sense". In other words, academics brilliance is not necessarily intelligence or cleverness...

The truth is, the Governor knows he is playing to the gallery, I don’t think he is deprived of knowledge on the subject.

If you check out what he does privately when the cameras are off to safe guide himself and his family, you will know he is not ignorant, but count on the ignorant of his people.

NextD18:
Afonjas are upset insulting the man because an Igbo state is involved.

They don't know the Igbos and people of South East are serving a living God.

Don’t be stupid and ignorant at the same time, even Israel the perceived God’s own country and people have many cases of covid-19 and confirmed deaths.

Great100000:
Please Advise her.

An unnamed lady whose identity was kept secret has took to social media,to seek for advise based on the behavior of her supposed boyfriend.The lady in question called her boyfriend a Mumu for being too nice.This was shared on the page of the famous Instagram Relationship blogger and love doctor ,Adejoro Olumofin.

Send him a link to this trend and disclose to him that you are the OP.

Humanoid01:
Their prophecies could be true, and it serves a purpose -- to give the people hope. Of course, if it's true, you can't expect the disease to vanish just like that, it must meet certain processes (this is where the work of the scientists comes in). That's why in the end, God gets the glory because He gave those prophecies so that people can have hope, and the wisdom to those scientists to actualize the prophecies. No one gets the glory besides God, not even the scientists. In essence, everyone has their part to play.

Shatap there!

It is either God or Scientist; It is either a miracle or a pill....He is a jealous God and will not share his glory with anyone, not either with a Scientist or a Doctor.

When Jesus raised Lazarus from the death, how many Doctors were there to give him a pill or vaccine. When the venomous snake bite Paul, he did not get a dose of antidotes.

wonlasewonimi:
There are jobs that require you to diclose your health status. You have to even provide urine sample.

If you look at the concluded section of my prior post, you can as an individual can authorize the disclosure.

In the cases you cited, you have to sign a disclosure authorization, you will not be forced to sign it and if you don’t sign it your urine will not be collected and you may not get the job, but you wouldn’t be forced against your wish.

The only exception is if you lost some of your rights by been a ward of the state aka in prison.

CanadaOrBust:
@bolded is why I say u contort and twist things. Mention one such instace.

Once again, history does not bear u out. Many countries’ presidents die in office. Mention an instance where a US president died of a hidden ailment or where proof emerged that a US president had an illness that was being hidden. You can’t be a US president and hide a major ailment. It is simply not that type of society.
*Thanks 4 the video

There is no law or rule that requires anyone in the US, including the President to disclose their health status. On the contrary HIPAA laws makes sure those disclosures are never made unless the individual personally authorize.

Few weeks ago President Trump made an unplanned visit to Walter Reeds Hospital and till today, no one know what he went there for.

I don’t know why you keep taking to the extreme of death, am talking of the possibility of someone masking the symptoms of their sickness if they desire to and the truth is, one can....and Trump can do that. His diagnosis is between him as his doctor and the Doctor can’t disclose it unless he authorizes it and their no law that compels him to.

CanadaOrBust:
See how u twisted and contorted everything to fit your pre-ordained mindset.
Presidents get sick and die in office. How many Russian presidents have died in office? There’d be a count of how many months they haven’t appeared in public. Weren’t Yaradua and Buhari very sick in office and disappeared for months. Well u can’t do any of that as US president. It is simply a different type of society.

You are the one twisting the premises of my post, you can go read my first post on this.

My point is, getting sick depends on your immune system and that not everyone gets sick from COVID-19.

There are some people that are positive and shows zero symptom and also that Presidents, especially of advanced countries like US, Canada, etc have access to the best medicine out there in situations like this and there are medications one can take to blunt the symptoms of diseases like these.

I did not say Presidents can died from diseases and I hope you know that, eliminating the symptoms of a sickness is not the same as eliminating the sickness. You can be brought to the point where you experience zero systems from a disease and still die from that disease.

The symptoms we show when infected by any diseases are mainly our body trying to play defense against the disease and attempting to eradicate them.

Idris tested positive to covid-19 but shows zero symptoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwwjN7hOFII

AntiChristian:
Nigeria is almost free of Covid19. O ye of minute faith.

Except a man be born again he no fit see the kingdom of God.

Ain't y'all born again?

Nobody wan die but they won go heaven!

Believe that to your perils.

America is saying, they can’t test everyone and you think Nigeria will be able?

How will Nigeria able to monitor or test community spreads in rural areas or in cities outside our two major Airports? On arrival they scan your temperature, which will not show up if you were infected within the past 4 days and they will flag you to move on.

You then enter society or go to the village where no testing exists and plus not all labs have the clearance to test for this virus, only very few labs in the major cities, which means your Doctor will likely send you home with some pain or fever or flu medications.

CanadaOrBust:
Bros, if a 73 year old man had corona you’d know. Corona is not a joke. People get very sick - you’ve seen them in intensive care. Same with Canada - u can’t have corona and be running Canada!

You getting sick depends on your immune system and the level of medical care available to you.

Check around, there are many people who have tested positive and never were sick, but decide to self isolate; it all boils down to your immune system and the external support they can get to boost their immune system.

Presidents have access to the best medicine out there don’t compare them to people locked up at intensive care units, and when they say....’it does not have a cure or treatment yet’ they are referring to generally available treatment and not that, some exclusive few don’t have private access to the treatment.

Plus Coronavirus is not new, it has been with us for decades, COVID-19 is just a variant that is notorious because of the way it spreads. A lab in the US was able to produce a vaccine with 24hrs after it got the DNA sequence of this particular variant, because they have prior knowledge about Coronavirus...there is even a Netflix dooms day video on Coronavirus.

Trump will never under any circumstance accept that he even had a headache talk-less of Coronavirus. Just hear the guy speak, he sees himself as the chosen one, he accepts no responsibility and is faultless, he even once said; he does not need to confess his sins to God and does not ask for forgiveness from God because he doesn’t have much to apologize for.

When people feel ‘sick’ when they have the virus, they are just feeling the effect of their immune system fighting the virus, the same way you body fights a knife cut by you experiencing pains....and just like you can talk a pill to completely eliminate or blunt that pains, you can also take a bill to blunt the body reactions to getting the virus and will be able to conduct business as usual under heavy medical supervision.

CanadaOrBust:
The West does not work like China or North Korea - Canada didn’t have to tell anybody their First Lady has corona

The design is, he will never test positive period!

The America pride and the election are on the line. He have access to the best in medicine so the results are baked in already.

This is the same Trump that visited the hospital unannounced a few weeks ago and the White House refused giving the details of the visit. When pressed, the statement was, ‘he went ahead of time to catch up on his physical and he will do the full physical within weeks’...we are still waiting.

Don’t believe what you see or hear; they have all being rehearsed to drive a particular narrative or achieve a particular objectives. Sometimes they have been polled behind the scene to gauge the response and the announcement tweak accordingly.

Same goes for the Canadian & Spanish PM, whose wive’s tested positive but they both miraculously ‘escape’ it. I don’t know if you have seen the Canadian PM and his wife out and about, the way they are close and holding hands...that lady will not have the easily transmissible COVID-19 and don’t give it to the husband.

Xisnin:
Mumu adulterer.
Let us look at her argument.
1. I was not married therefore I owe no one loyalty
2. I was not cheating, the man bought me drugs and I asked him to sleep over.
3. He traveled abroad and abandoned me bla bla bla


Obviously, the third reason is the real reason.

You are not legally married but you are living in his house and he is the father of your children.

The idiot should have rented her own apartment to entertain various guests.
The idea that only married people should shun infidelity is asinine and stupid.
There is no such law or rule anywhere. Neither is there a punishment for cheating
while married in Nigeria's constitution. It is totally up to a person to cheat or not cheat in a relationship.

Want to sleep around?
Stay away from a stable relationship or tell your intending victim
that you are a loose cannon who is not interested.

And to the dummies who believe that only a married person can cheat, you will learn the hard way.
Nobody ever stops cheating because they are married, they may pause for a while but they will resume.

So, the idiot that went abroad and got married is not cheating or sleeping around?

She is taking care of his kids, it is his responsibility to provide a roof over their head. In a sane enclave, the court will order him to pay child support in addition to paying rent and school fees.

BAAKUS1447:
God will heal them all.

God bless Nigeria and China

Chinese people don’t pray to God, they are even closing down churches and persecuting Christians....most of them pray to a Cow.

It makes one wonder how they are progressing and my Nigeria that have Churches on every street and have a few and true men of God with faith as big as mountains can’t make a dent on our problem, and yet the Bible say all you need is a faith as small as a mustard seed.

Sometimes I think either God has left us or the rapture has already taken place and we are all passing through the tribulation periods, hence the effectual fervent prayers of righteous men today no longer avail much in comparison to days of old.

iCauseTrouble:
After eating, what next?

After typing ‘what next’, what next?

Gforce2015:
How I wish this coronavirus enter aso villa and spread among all the occupants in this place. We for dey do count down by now. If you know, you know.

As the thing dey affect and kaput old people faster, Coronavirus mortality rate for Aso Rock alone fit reach 90% which will be a world record compare to the general 2-3%.