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Frankiss44:
So a Christian shouldnt drop even offerings.?

You people act like you don't know the church also have bills to pay.. Why don't you just sit at home and pray, it has the same potency my brother...

The church has workers, generator needs to work and fuel needs to be bought.. Now if everyone starts putting this kind useless message in offering basket what happens?

Then they come out honestly and say they have bills to pay, then those who can will contribute

Not deceiving people with threats and emotional blackmail

MetaPhysical:
Sleeping with siblings is an abomination in any land, in any culture and in any religion. It is a matrimonial taboo. I doubt the story but if indeed this happened then it erodes all the super-natural myth erected around this king.

What I noticed and found profound is seeing the supposedly very private king exhibiting the privacy of his most private affairs to the outside world. He might as well break the "Oba no dey travel" taboo and do what other kings have been doing.....travel more outside his enclave and fraternize, the days of some emperor locked in hibernation behind the city wall is far gone!

There was never any "ọba no dey travel" taboo

Ọbas of Bini have been traveling since Oranmiyan founded the dynasty

Obas just age on the throne till they can't travel.
And kings can marry anybody outside their own family in most cultures... Yoruba and Edo included

Sanchez01:
Go back and read my post again. This time, slowly...

You go back and contemplate on my last post until you get it.
Its not a complex sentence neither does it contain big words
I'm sure you will get it if you really want to

If you still can't get it.
Read this guy's post too

lilbest4:
yahoo boys too don't force people. Some people will never fall for scam no matter how hard they try but it doesn't mean those who fall for scams are stupid or that it is no longer scam. Some people respect their pastors so much that they will never believe they are falling for deception or whatsoever these things are backed with biblical verses

I'm literally spoon feeding you like a baby right now

Sanchez01:
Only a very few people are as churchy as I am. I mean VERY FEW! I'll never give no matter how hard a pastor thinks his manipulation skill is. The moment I sense subtle coercion from pastors on pulpit, I become disinterested in whatever happens during that day's service/meeting.

Again, the move by whoever did that is stupid. If you don't feel like giving or don't have a thing to give, just remain on your seat and pass the offering basket to the next person with it gets to you.

You are not forced. Lobatan!

You are not forced but manipulated.
Same thing

Sanchez01:
This is a needless move. Pastors don't hold guns to people's heads just because they want them to give. If you have no money to give during offerings or you feel you don't have any reason to, then lay back and not make a drama out of it.

There is no sense in this.

You underestimate the power of manipulation

Pastors threaten with wrath of God, robbing God, blocked blessings, it is law from God etc
And you say it's not forcing?

This is worse than being compelled to comply at gunpoint

shortgun:
The man is not a Christian

Yes because a Christian is a zombie that must not ask questions
Pastor say, I do

oilPUSSY:
Go to Ilorin and call them Yoruba..I dare you

I'm sure you've never been to Ilorin

Even those of fulani descent in Ilorin still call themselves Yoruba...and speak Yoruba not fulbe

muykem:
OPC should start warming up in case of any eventually. There is no need of playing victim card like our Igbo brother. We successfully destroyed Alimi (Fulani grandfather) and his warriors when he carried his lucky went too far by attempting to overrun OYO after took over Ilorin.

But Ilorin under the leadership of Alimi 's son overran Oyo

powerkey:
Be Strong.

it's better the way you confessed to him.

Yes, it's also better you pay the price of your sin now.

You are free now in the sense that you have confessed and therefore the burden is now on him.

However, you need to make efforts to reconcile. use your pastor (not the type that will take advantage of your situation).

Use your brother, any good family member will do.


And finally, Separate yourself from that useless guy/man in your office that took advantage of you.

Hate him with all the strength in you....


I will follow up on you and I assure you that your husband will return.

Hate him.. Well I get that
But it's her fault not that of the guy in her office
It was her choice to cheat on her "loving" husband

datigbogirl:
Why would Arya be the only one capable?

because only she trained to be capable

Osolanrewaju:
is not what everyone is expecting from the season so far,they have to rewrite it

GoT has never done what people expect

kay9:
As much as I find season 8 beyond disappointing, I wouldn't go as far as calling Weiss and Beniof "woefully incompetent".

George Martin is a master in his craft; his ASOIAF books are simply peerless, so there's honestly no way the quality of the show would not have gone down when D& ran out of Martin's books. Of course, this knowledge doesn't make watching season8 any less awful, but at least it helps put the awfulness in perspective: D& really did do their best.

Take any of the 2 main "set pieces" and look at them as a stand-alone: the Battle of Winterfell, and the Battle (or should we say the Massacre) of Kings Landing. By themselves, these two events were excellent in choreography, camera work, special effects, and cinematic directing (I will leave out dialogue/scripting for obvious reasons). The problem only shows up when you look at the bigger picture: continuity and storyline-development.

My point with all this grammar is this: yes, season8 is awful, but I would not blame D& so much. I honestly doubt anyone could do better without GRR Martin's source material.

And by the way, a remake is never going to happen. Too expensive.

There's nothing wrong with storyline and character development.
The hints were always there that Dany would go mad. And Arya was the only person capable of assassinating the night king

The only problem is that they had only 6 episodes to rap everything up.

LazyGold:
This is a result of the supremacy battle between Olugbo of Ugbo and Ooni of Ife, it is just politicaly motivated

Alaafin of Oyo said he believes Igbo came from Isreal and he disagree with Ooni of Ife

Aláàfin did not say he beliefs they came from Israel. He said they believe that of themselves and he wants to respect it

Instead of you to get a job or acquire a skill or just go to school and take academics seriously
You are here displaying idiocy

No Nigerian ethnicity has any connections to jews

Eberejesus111:
You're welcome But worthy to note, if you don't believe in the supernatural, how did Obatala use chains, a chicken and a chunk of soil to make the Yoruba human race and the Yoruba's believe it till date.

How did yemoja( the queen of the sea)emerge and Olocun( the king of the dark blue sea) emerge and the yorubas believe it, even the old.

Why is Aje or any other festival in Osun or any other Yoruba state held in significance.

The supernatural is real my brother, just the same way you are sitting on that chair, viewing this read. And the Ooni had the supernatural but more supreme than other gods as his backup.

You have no interest in history... You just want to post something. Sorry
There's no point explaining Yoruba traditions to you because you just aren't worth it

Eberejesus111:
Although, earthly I'm Igbo but majorly from the country Zion. To say a man does not know his or her history in this present time is highly inappropriate. History, especially in Africa had been contrived one way or the other, Yoruba's have different claims to their history. One is the Benin origination, the divine or supernatural origination, the Hebrew origination and the Egyptian origination. But what most Yoruba's have fully accepted( well do not have the statistics) is the divine/supernatural origination. Which no Igbo man had denied but had doubts on such origination.
Now the Igbo man links his origination to his own divine preeminence and you're ( a yoruba) are denying him of that. And this wasn't because the Igbo man wanted to find a way out of oblivion but he had seen traces, related links, linked to the Israelites, that even the Israelites based on their history and little bit of proofs here and there could not refute such claims by the Igbos, their only claim is that the DNA Haplogroup of the Igbos isn't wholly similar to them as their Ethiopian counterparts. But major traditional rites has got links to the Israelites.

Igbos as I perceive them to be, have no yearning or desire to claim or be a partaker of other people's ancestry. The Ooni on the other hand is a wise king, I believe in the supernatural and it would be only God that would have given him such advice of making peace on that throne. The devil hates and disregards peace.
Ooni listened to God ( Oolorun) and had said those words, with the support of the wife because God wants to make a change in Nigeria, but the devil won't allow it, he rather sees more discord, feigning it as selling heritage and using individuals like you to foster such claims.
It would even be wrong for you to say one tribe has much superiority than the other, both tribes are superior in my perspective but also have their little fallout. Now just imagine if, these tribe and the Hausa/fulani tribe of the north merge into a strong force what do you think it would bring to this world, you're right, progress

History can not be known nor perceived in Africa but has only been passed by tales of the moonlight, but the only history we have to take now to ourselves is what we do now for the future generation to build upon.

. What a joke of a response

God reveals history now
Oh jeez. This is exactly why religious Africans don't know their history
Lazy bums who rather than travel, research and study, wait for some spirit to reveal things

There's absolutely no point engaging you
It was fun to read this though

Eberejesus111:
Although, earthly I'm Igbo but majorly from the country Zion. To say a man does not know his or her history in this present time is highly inappropriate. History, especially in Africa had been contrived one way or the other, Yoruba's have different claims to their history. One is the Benin origination, the divine or supernatural origination, the Hebrew origination and the Egyptian origination. But what most Yoruba's have fully accepted( well do not have the statistics) is the divine/supernatural origination. Which no Igbo man had denied but had doubts on such origination.
Now the Igbo man links his origination to his own divine preeminence and you're ( a yoruba) are denying him of that. And this wasn't because the Igbo man wanted to find a way out of oblivion but he had seen traces, related links, linked to the Israelites, that even the Israelites based on their history and little bit of proofs here and there could not refute such claims by the Igbos, their only claim is that the DNA Haplogroup of the Igbos isn't wholly similar to them as their Ethiopian counterparts. But major traditional rites has got links to the Israelites.

Igbos as I perceive them to be, have no yearning or desire to claim or be a partaker of other people's ancestry. The Ooni on the other hand is a wise king, I believe in the supernatural and it would be only God that would have given him such advice of making peace on that throne. The devil hates and disregards peace.
Ooni listened to God ( Oolorun) and had said those words, with the support of the wife because God wants to make a change in Nigeria, but the devil won't allow it, he rather sees more discord, feigning it as selling heritage and using individuals like you to foster such claims.
It would even be wrong for you to say one tribe has much superiority than the other, both tribes are superior in my perspective but also have their little fallout. Now just imagine if, these tribe and the Hausa/fulani tribe of the north merge into a strong force what do you think it would bring to this world, you're right, progress

History can not be known nor perceived in Africa but has only been passed by tales of the moonlight, but the only history we have to take now to ourselves is what we do not for the future generation to build upon.

. What a joke of a response

God reveals history now
Oh jeez. This is exactly why religious Africans don't know their history
Lazy bums who rather than travel, research and study, wait for some spirit to reveal things

There's absolutely no point engaging you
It was fun to read this though

Eberejesus111:
Sincerely speaking I don't see the essence of this Brou haha. The oonis only motive is to bring peace, perhaps he had a vision of something terrible happening if these two tribes do not become one.
Look at it from his side, he knows his office and knows how sacred it is. People are judging him because of his youthfulness but that's beyond that. It's only an old person that can gather up such courage to say such words on the throne, based on how the Yoruba's take old age and sacredness of the throne.
Ooni wants change and he wants peace. Igbos didn't complain about what he did because they know what he is trying to do, make unity. But Yoruba are seeing it in another point of view that even the Ones abroad are complaining about it, it's totally I don't know what to say.

In essence, what I'm trying to say is this. Perhaps he asked Almighty God to give him directions to the throne, because every king wants to become great and beat the test of time. And God gave him the answer, what Ooni have done would bear fruits much later as far he has the backing of God and his virtuous wife. God bless you

Igbos do not know their history so why would what Ọọ̀ni said bother them? He is giving them a history

And yorubas are angry because he is distorting our history. Taking out the Ugbo(ilaje) heritage in Ifè and selling it to the igbos

PSTEMMA1960:
I do attend MFM close to where I stay (though it's a new branch) but nothing has changed, I have even contacted SCOAN prayer line they prayed for me still no change....

I just sent an email to them this week hoping that they will reply me soon..

There can never be change until you change your mentality that something you cannot beat is against you.
You are the one against yourself

PSTEMMA1960:
A Dying Soul Needs Ur Urgent Advice B4 It's 2 Late.

Good evening my good people of nairaland..hope everyone is doing fine?

don't know the right section to post this but I think i'll get mature response here...

Note: the post is going to be very long, but pls read to the end, I just want to pour out my heart to get an answer to some issues about my life.

My Name is Emmanuel born December 25-1991 from isiala mbano local government area of Imo state.
My grandparents gave birth to 11 children, as I type now all 11 of them are dead, none of them married b4 death, my dad was the only one that married.....

My dad died December 25 1997 and my mum died in the year 2000... it hasn't been easy since then.....my mum's people rejected us saying that my dad did not legally married my mum...

my 2 sister are in Lagos now (married with children) I came to Abj in the year 2006 with a woman that owns a restaurant at area3 (my aim then was to save some money and go back to the village and start doing okada)

after working there for 2 years I was able to raise some money (my salary then was 3k) when I told the woman that I wanted to go, she asked me not to do so, that she really wants to help me...(I was happy) she asked me to go and learn how to drive with a promise of buying a car for me on higher purchase.

after the driving school no car, she sacked their driver and I became their driver (1k was then added to my salary) I didn't complain I waited till December again, I told her that I want to go, she now explain that I must drive her for like 4 good years b4 she can buy the car, i lost interest immediately. .

then to give my my 3 years salary became a problem (I was telling her to save it for me because i was naive then)

the woman did plus and minus money for driving school, shortage of beer and other stuffs....i was left with only 1500 after 3 years of my hard labour.....I had no option but to carry my Ghana must go bag and start sleeping with Hausa guys outside. ..

that wasn't still enough the woman arrested me that her life was in danger because she has sacked me.....police asked my to sign an undertaken that if anything should happen to her I'm responsible which I did.....after 3 days I was released. .

I was still sleeping outside..... so many other experiences...but the last one was in Asokoro hospital canteen.....my salary then was 15k I was able to save 270k there was an Alhaji that was always coming there to eat almost everyday then "mr Haruna" there was a sallah period that he even dasshed me 20k.

so one evening I met the man he was telling me that he doesn't like the nature of my job, that I should give him my C.V for a better Job...when I told him my qualifications he was not impressed ..

then on my own i went to him after one week that since he is already willing to help me that he should assist me in getting a car. ..he said it was a minor thing, that his brother a custom officer at zone3 was in charge of auctioning......I told him how much I had, he said he was going to add it up to make it 500k I went to Oceanic back then and withdrew the 270k gave to him. ....till today I didn't set my eyes on the man ..

it was not 2 long our madam employed a new staff, David from Cross river state......in less than one week the guy ran away with the money that our madam kept with me (she has been keeping money with me close to 2 years) to buy drinks and chicken the following day....87k. I had to work and pay her back...... after that I decided not to work again .....

in 2011 December 31st I gave my life to Christ and started going to church.....

because of my zeal and commitment I was ordained a minister in 2012, the following year as a pastor.... in 2015 I was sent to a state to open a branch which I went.... in less than 6 months I was having close to 74 members....

but the offering was not much, I pleaded with the head qtrs to give me time let the place grow numerically first. but they refused and closed down the branch.....(I was sad, so I left the church in 2016)

I tried driving work I always have issues, if I get a car today the same night I'll hear audible voice telling me that I won't succeed unless I come back and serve them in the village...(my grand mum was an idol worshiper she was always going to the native doctors meetings with me when I was 4-7 years)

Right now things have gone worse for me, no food no clothes no house no job....... stange dreams I am even tired of praying......

I am loosing my mind and sleep as if I am running mad, I always ask am I going to die like my uncles without any achievement...... I haven't seen my only brother since 7 years.....i'll always think that this year things would be better but it will turn out worst.....

even a small car that I managed to buy last year broke down I had to sell it anyhow when my younger brother told me that our old house had collapsed in the village.......

I don't know if I can cross this stage of my life .....has anyone been in my situation b4? is there hope for me? pls someone should talk to me, i am frustrated.............pls no 2 much insults....thanks and God bless...

mod abeg front page....

And so you blame your grandmother for your own mistakes? Christianity is recent in this part of the world, many people here have grandparents or great parents who were traditionalists

Total lack of accountability
You are too naiive, you lack a good business sense and probably never did well academically

What you need is focus, good business ideas and determination

goalernestman:
Ile ife was give by Oduduwa just like Ile ibinu was given to edo by his son all those rest place you mention came into existance after Oduduwa not before Oduduwa.

and also benin is an opposite meaning of Ife

You can believe what you want, I don't intend convincing anyone who has made up their mind on what to hold true

But know that there is Ife oodaye, ife ooye, otu ife
All terms referring to Ife

And again I'll say, the "ile" was simply added to signify the land as a major city.. A reoccurring theme across yorubaland

MetaPhysical:
Ile Ife was a seat of NOK rulers and in their epoch it was not known as Ile Ife, it must have had its own name which is lost to us. The name Ile Ife was brought with Oduduwa when he settled from migration from East into the interior and he changed the indigeneous political government to a new order and then re-christened and initiated the rulers he met on ground to a new naming title prefixed with OBA.

Those who use red in the ritual attire of their monarchy have ties to NOK. Those who use blue or white have ties to migrant stock.

There is a lot of history left untold by narrators of Niger peoples.

The name Ilé-Ifè was not brought by Odudua
The land from inception was called ife.. "ile" was added to the name like its typical to Yoruba cities
Eg. Oyo-ilé, Èkó-ilé, Imesi-ilé
This pattern is done using "ode" as well eg."òde-itsekiri", Ìjẹ̀bú-òde

PAGAN9JA:
There is some truth in what the Ooni says and I see where he is getting at.

However, the truth will not have much impact on the current tribal structures.


What The Ooni is trying to articulate is that the Igbo and Yoruba are from a distant common ancestry. An ancestry way older than Oduduwa or Nri. Both tribes belong to the YEAI Group of Volta-Niger tribes.

However this division happened 1000s of years ago. Its not a division but a natural evolutionary process of diversion of tribes.

Just like how we diverged from chimpanzees and we both share a common ancestor in a now extinct species of Great ape-like ancestors. Yet we dont really intermarry with Chimps do we ? This evolution dates way back when compared to evolution of human tribes. The Chimpanzee-human evolution has crossed the barrier of separate species which will produce sterile offspring if ever there was interbreeding.

Therefore in these terms an Igbo is much closer to a Yoruba and an Edo then say to a Hausa or Arab or Chinese.

In the same manner. A Yoruba is much closer to Igala , Itsekiri than to Igbo. and diverse Yoruba clans are the closest in that they are modern evolved culture with minimal differences and a more concrete form.


This is not interbreeding but diversionary evolution.


Therefore while the Ooni does have a point, it is of no relevance today except to understand where intertribal co-operation and relationship stands in the modern world.

The two cultures and genetic strains have diverged to such a point and to different lifestyles and conditions in that they have developed completely different cultures, language, spirituality and identity with very faint traces of their original ancestral similar culture left in their physique. E.g., faint similarities in some traditional religious references or lingusitc terms and other practices.

They have also slowly evolved different phenotype as well. flat head/ round head.


Thus the Ooni's real point which he is not able to articulate is that in terms of intertribal relationships, we must be conscious where we stand in politics.

A Yoruba must stand first with an Itsekiri and then with an Igbo and then with any other tribe.

He must understand his concentric circle of intertribal relations and where his first allegiance lies. First with his blood people, then his first cousins, then his second cousins, then the nation and then the rest of the world.


@macof what do you have to say about this.

There is no truth to what he is saying, nobody who knows the Yoruba well can say that

Reason why i say this?
There is a subgroup of the Yoruba people called the Ilaje in modern Ondo State, within the ilaje a great kingdom exist called Ugbo (Igbo in standard Yoruba dialect)
This man who calls himself an ọba but keeps embarrassing the throne by talking too much

He is intentionally denying and trying to wipe out Ugbo from ife history and replace it with Igbo(Ibo) probably due to the Olugbo claiming to be superior to the Ọọ̀ni some time ago..https://www.nairaland.com/3799474/im-leader-yoruba-monarchs-olugbo
https://www.nairaland.com/3501858/ooni-ogunwusi-olugbo-akinruntan-supremacy

Ọọ̀ni is probably firing back but in the process making a mess of things.. Instead of focusing on settle the controversy of Odùduwà's origin he is scattering things

I refuse to believe he doesn't know that the "Igbo" yoruba history talks about is Ugbo not Ibo, he should know, children know this

And the Olugbo came out some days ago to correct this fallacy https://www.nairaland.com/5133314/yorubas-no-ancestral-link-igbo

I am not saying yoruba and Igbo share no ties, we do going back longer than any of us can remember, but absolutely no Yoruba records of history significantly talk about igbos. .. And the igbos themselves, I don't know if their ancestors kept records in any form because modern igbos don't know any history
Only evidence of a connection are in linguistics and some traditional elements
Experts say the Yoruba and Igbo split 3000 years ago

So this is very different from the Ife-Igbo conflict of less than 1000 years ago

Hier:
God can give them dreams and inspire ideas in them in their dream to make life more bearable for the increasing generation.

How do you explain a deja vu



Everyone cant be an inventor

LMAO
None of them attest to this your God as having given them dreams or ideas.
Again, none of the names you mentioned were practical Christians. Infact the church was always against any form of knowledge outside the church until Europe elite started cutting down the power of the church

Right everyone can't be an inventor, what you need are the right factors which include : adequate population and extended contact with other civilizations or nations which in turn causes better exchange of ideas, demand and want as well as a healthy competition, other factors could include favorable geography and political stability, support for individuals with ideas etc

When we talk about inventions we mainly speak of the industrial revolution which started in England, it might as well have started anywhere else but because of the suitable factors and conditions met in England, it began with England.. What happened once Germany gained similar conditions after the German unification?
Germany overtook England at inventions

This has nothing to do with your foolish god that had over 1500 years but had to wait until people stopped taking him seriously to give "dreams and ideas" to those who didn't take him seriously

igbodefender:
'teacher'. Just don't insult Kabiyesi The Ooni of Ife and high chiefs of Ife.

LMAO

Hier:
His God was the reason there are inventions today, he gave them ideas and innovations ask Isaac Newton, Faraday, Edison and co.

lmao.
These men were hardly Christian in practice

Secondly, why are you not inventing anything?

OpenYourEyes1:
"atheists" subconsciously defending false gods and Idols

false gods because they are African?

But the gods of jews, Europeans and Arabs are not false? Lmao fool

This igbodefender guy has a huge learning disorder.

How many times will you be told that Ugbo (Igbo in dialects like Oyo, Egba) is not same as Igbo (ibo)

igbodefender:
Come up with contrary evidence. Do you know more than Kabiyesi? By Kabiyesi's proclamation do we stand.

the Olugbo just came out to correct the Ọọ̀ni

And when did Yoruba Obas become your kabiyesi
Orisirisi l'eyan rí ni nairaland ṣá

Man. Whenever I read this guy's posts I'm really glad to not be igbo..
This nation has no history goddammit

Imagine someone calling himself igbodefender doesn't have any igbo sources of his history, but wants to force himself into Yoruba history

Now sure Yoruba and Igbo do share common ancestry but not by Obatala, not by the Ùgbó (this is just a name coincidence) and certainly not by Igbos being aborigines of Ilé-Ifẹ̀
Yoruba-igbo connection is only evidenced in linguistics not historical records

Igbo should have taught their children more history

Ogunwusi just embarrassed himself

I'm beginning to like Olugbo more now, I was waiting for him to answer the Ọọ̀ni who is trying to insult Ugbo people by taking them out of Ife history.
Ogunwusi messed up big time and those mad men that tell him these things are eventually going to be shamed

IamJames:
The Obatala link to the Igbos isn't just coming from the Ooni or something he made up. There's a Yoruba center in Cuba which has the Statue of Obatala with an inscription which says "Father of the Igbo nation, Master of all divinities, Creator of man in various forms, Gentle Lord of the Pure White”

But seriously I don't understand how you guys can be so ignorant of your own history and have no records of events or migrations that you need yorubas to tell you your history
Personally I would have expected igbos not to take this seriously but being a people who claim to be jews also I guess it makes sense

Man, a nation without a known history, no heroes, nothing