Unclebayo: Hello NLers, I need an advice concerning my path.
I'm a 21-year-old with a national diploma degree. my Mom is eager for me to pursue a university education
But I think it might be beneficial to start a business first, because my Mom recently has some financial issues due to one or two things which could impact my education once I gain admission, considering I'm not the only child
She already has some savings like 300k-400k to back me up, but I know she will really struggle to see me through cuz there’s no husband to support her and I don’t want anything that’ll make her to collect loan.
These are my skills and business idea: 1. Certified mobile phone technician. 2. POS business idea obtained from my boss. 3. Phone accessories business, involving local wholesale purchases and shipping from AliExpress and Alibaba.
Note: I also have like 100k savings acquired from 30k 7 to 7 job
Why not write Jamb and get admission in a school that will be in the same state where your business is So that you can monitor your business after school
Sxyhalima: I met a man, we have been dating for over a year and talking about marriage
- he is tall and handsome (there are 3 things that I don't really like about his appearance, but they can be worked upon and I am not the most beautiful in the world)
- he is super healthy, takes care of himself
- he earns 77,000 dollars a year (before tax), and is likely to get more and more money in his career as he progresses
- he is in the process of buying his first property this year
- he is educated and has a good job
- he has all the qualities i look for in a man: kind, caring, thoughtful, considerate, funny, family-orientated, generous (took me on trips abroad, etc) and more. Nobody is perfect, he also has unresolved trauma, but again these things can be worked upon
- he loves God
- we have similar hobbies: travelling, events, he is literally my person and the male person of me
HOWEVER!
He doesn't talk to his dad or his dad's side of his family because in my opinion, his mother has brainwashed him against them. He also doesn't talk to his mother's side of the family (she doesn't talk to them either). He doesn't talk to his siblings, except 1, despite living in the same house. His mother doesn't like me, as she feels like I am taking him away from her and she doesn't like people from my country. She has tried to interfere and break us up, but he has stood firm and now she has said she doesn't want to be involved in our relationship. This is very hurtful for me. I am concerned that she could cause problems for us in our relationship and marriage. He gives over half of his salary to his mother every month (she doesn't work as she struggles to work because she has depression that is debilitating), but he says he will stop once he moves out. I believe that it takes a village to raise a child, and I am concerned that it will just be me, him, our kids, and my family. I am not welcome in his mother's house, and I have said that if I am not welcome there, I don't think it is approrpiate for him to still visit, just like if I was welcome somewhere and my husband wasn't - I wouldn't go. That person will then change up and act accordingly to make my partner feel welcome, but I think he is just enabling bad behaviour. I am scared he will one day resent me or accuse me of affecting the relationship with his original family. He has said that he plans to just have two families (me/the kids.. and his mother/sibling he talks to) and I am scared it will be a case of a man having two "wives", pivoting between two households, being the man of both households. I don't want to share my husband!
Would you marry a man that was the perfect man for you, but his family wasn't good/his mother did not like you?
You are lucky to get such a man, now the mother doesn't want you
I think you need to visit his mum and start getting along with her
Your frequent visit with her may change her mind over you
Never drag a son with his mother, honestly it's a lost game
Plan to visit her and get goodies for her Stay some time with her
You may find out that she has am issue you could help her to solve
Show her love and make her happy
Her eyes are in his sons life and don't show her that she doesn't count Give her the impression that she is your mum too
Gas0line: I wish I was even feeding very well then I'll agree with you that food is not all I need. It's quite easy for me to sacrifice my own feeding to save up for something that I want, but the thing is, I have younger ones who will always look up to me.
I know the importance of these basic certificates and that is why I am so pained because I don't have any. I follow up on all the recruitment,police,fire service,navy and the rest but there's almost nothing I can do about them considering my position. But I still believe firmly that everything will be fine.
Gas0line: Sometimes I just feel like I'm wasting away
I've been out of secondary school some years back. My time in school has not been without challenges which involved trekking some unreasonable distance just to save the few naira in my hand , dropping out and restarting again and all these happened very consistently due to lack of money. I would like to see myself as above average in terms of academics but I have never had it any better. Three years after my supposed graduation,I am yet to sit for my SSCE which is to say I don't even have one of the most basic certificates. Tried sometimes to do some menial jobs for this purpose but the monies are mostly diverted to feeding. The Wassce registration will be ending soon and the thought of it makes me feel so despondent. I'll be 23 by may but I still have almost nothing to show for it. What do I do please
The issue here is that you are about loosing the basic foundation you need in education and career
Go and make up your mind to register for WAEC both private and external
Once you get your WAEC result, you can apply to join any of the forces, be it Police, Army and Navy or any other paramilitary jobs
Your parents don't have enough, then what efforts are you making to stand well as a man
Food is not all you need, so start managing feeding to get yourself registered
Bongadu: I impregnated my ex girlfriend when I was young and relocated because at time I was young and stupid, I gave her money for abortion but she disagreed on removing it , so I had no choice but to flee as I was irresponsible and poor My ex girlfriend put to bed months after I left and raised the child living with her parents I relocated back last year December , I'm trying to get back with my daughter but my ex won't let me be near me even I want to take responsibility and care for my daughter She's getting me frustrated, I'm thinking of suing her for not letting me be a presence in my daughter's life
You came back to fight her and her family and not to make peace to have access to your child
You said you were clueless and stupid as at the time you impregnated her and you run away
What makes you think you are now matured enough to understand that you shattered her heart while she was pregnant for you and abandoned her
And now you came back to claim what you denied yourself access to
If you think you are now man enough to face reality, Start by making peace with her mum
Start by penetrating her heart in which ever soft way you can
Start by humbling yourself to face her and her family
You really dealth with her and she is highly prepared to frustrate any stupid method you will use
Bear in mind that women don't forget who stab their hearts especially in this kind of stupid things you did by abandoning her when both of them needed you more
If you like go to court or police station
You will be humiliated and disgraced even before you will be giving audience and yet you will never ever have that child
Go and start afresh to know how she will find it possible for her to forgive you
Then before you can even request to see your child
Next time you will face what you brought upon yourself
Gbadugbakun: I Know this might sound funny, but it's the truth. I lie too much, most especially when I'm talking with people.
Most times there wouldn't even be any need to lie, but I would just find myself lying up and down. It's beginning to bother me and I want to stop it. Please how do I go about it?
Mods, please help me out.
Its a bad and dirty habit thst you formed and y the time you continue lying and enter marriage life
Then you have ruined yourself and your marriage because women hate men who lies
The only way out is for you to accept christ in your inner heart and the devil that directs you to lying will flew away
If you don't have the fear of God in you the you will continue to lie and become a pathological lier
But don't feel bad if your children picks up from you
ponkitibobo: Dear nairalanders, i need your sincere advice on this issue. I am the overall manager of a company. My boss ( the owner) uses divide and rule system. He likes people snitching on others. He has adviced me as the manager to adopt same system to get information about what's happening.
My concern now is that he doesn't probe me to speak about others but he probes others to speak about me. So far so good no scandal has been reported against me. I live above board with the fear of God to the best of my ability.
Each time he will tell me the workers said i dont take suggestions, i am harsh with them when they suggest. I know this is a lie on the part of the workers.
This is where i need your advice: should i confront my boss and ask why he is doing that. Why is he using them against me and not me against them.
This attitude is frustrating me. He is always confronting me with their very sentimental and subjective opinions. Meanwhile non is able to say any serious evil against. I know if they see they will definitely tell him . But non as at today.
Should i quit the job or just ignore
Since they have not said anything bad about you, why not bring yourself down and be more friendly with your workers and win their heart
Valoromega: We are currently expecting our first child , she should give birth within a this month.
She has requested money for baby things and I have given her over 400k but she hasn’t both the basic things she needs. She usually go with her mom to the market to get the things but they haven’t even both the things the baby will need in the hospital. They went and bought baby wardrobe even though we already had baby wardrobe that was given to us on our wedding , she also both baby duvet without buying bed , the clothes she bought was for a month old baby , she didn’t even buy the first wear the baby would use , so far I haven’t even seen anything tangible she has bought with 400k plus I’ve given her, she hasn’t even bought the things she needs after delivery .
I don’t know if it’s her mom that’s telling her to buy those things, the mom doesn’t even care where the money comes from , she just demands that we buy this and that .
I was thinking the money I gave her would be enough to buy the most basic things she and the baby needs , now she’s demanding more
Even tripplet list of things, 400k is too much
I think you should take the remaining list to your sister and both of you will go and buy them and you bring it home
Now taje note, it will definitely cause problem only if you reveal who bought it
winner37: Please I don't know if this my new acquired habits is normal.. Am living closed to my aunts and uncle in the town,infact the distance from my house to my uncle and one of my aunt's house is walkable.. Before I do visit them one after another mostly very Sundays evening or sometimes when I closed from work early I will drive down to my aunt's house I will spend time with her and her children like 3 to 4 hours than I go home or getting home after working i will have a Walk down to my uncle's house spend time with him and kids before and returned home have being doing this since last Year.. It was around October last year the feelings of visiting my uncle and aunties suddenly changed closing from work I will just drive home without getting in touch of any place I will tried hard to go out I can't my heart is just harden from visiting my uncle and aunties even when we are living close by .. If I should tell you during Christmas season I didn't visited any of them ,my uncle called me to come and see him but I get it so hard to go to his house, one of my aunts called me on 25th why am i not coming to see her I quickly covered it up with some excuses.. Now my uncle is in a fight with me because I have stop going to his house ,I don't know what my aunts will be thinkig why I stopped coming to their houses.
The reason of my new attitude is unknown to me I don't really know how to deal with this ..
Your are on your own Dey play, since you don't have any good excuses
definitelyso: please house help.. I married my husband during my masters in the UK we were both students.. after barely 3months of dating i got pregnant and we got engaged 5months into the relationship.. the cheating signs started immediately after that but I could not recognise it.. for example after the engagement with all our friends in attendance he told me he will not proceed with the marriage as he wants to marry whitie for papers.. the shock was much for me so I said ok.. the child will bear my father's name then.. after much argument for months 2weeks to when I will deliver we went to court in the UK as we were still studing and got married.. this was in 2015.. fast forward to 2017 we came back to Nigeria got the traditional and white done.. this is where the main drama started.. few months into our coming back one issue of infidelity to another if I complain he will say I want a divorce.. in 2018 I had another child but while 5months pregnant I almost lost the baby to a miscarriage because he made me walk long distance all in the name of teaching me a lesson as he said I was too stubborn.. the next day I went into premature labour.. all of these no apology from him ohh.. then infidelity with my house maids not 1 not 2 the 3 one was what broke the camels back.. I have had enough.. now the case with the 2nd house girl was; he and her made my life hell when I asked her to leave he told me instead of the house help to leave I should leave the house and keep the 2kids for him... I was so depressed and ashamed of how he treated me I could not tell anyone not even my family I stayed back and prayed the girl eventually left when she was tired of staying.. in 2020 November he sent me and the kids to his mother's house in lagos to stay that he wants to focus on his new company unknown to me he moved to a new 2bedroom apartment and changed girls like wrapper while I shared a room with 7 people including my kids and the house helps plus his cousins in his mother's house.. sleeping on the floor.. for over 1year he refused to allow me come back home to the new apartment he rented always threatening me with divorce and taking the kids.. all this time sincerely I was depressed I could not work i was just getting by no zeal to achieve or fight for my self.. lost my self confidence.. finally in 2021 december we came back... april 2022 he left for lagos said for work.. didnt come back till february 2023 just before the elections..then the big incident happened.. the house help I have found that was God sent since 2020 she has been with me even while I was in his mother's house giving me support he tried to harass her too but she refused him and reported to me.. when he saw he could not get his way he asked her to leave the house.. by this time I had gotten a good job and the house help was helping with the children while I work.. so I said no.. she will stay.. then the abuse started again.. he asked me to leave and go back to my mother's and he will take my kids.. he even called my mum saying he is no longer interested in the marriage and wants me to leave the house.. at this point I have had enough I tried getting a divorce but I could not afford the lawyers fees at the time about 100k so I filed a complaint against him stopping him from illegally throwing me out of the house.. he got upset saying I disrespected him for filing that complaint so he packed his bags and left for Lagos in April 2023.. well in june 2023 i met someone at work fell in love with him.. for the first time in years I felt wanted I felt loved and appreciated but i asked him to wait until I sign the divorce papers. suddenly in December 24th 2023 without notice my husband came back begging forgiveness saying he has changed and found God.. now everyone is begging me to give him a 2nd chance. but what about me? I no longer love him.. I have moved on and found someone.. am afraid to say am in love with someone else because he might use it against me in court even though I never agreed to have sexual intercourse with this new love of mine but my husband will never believe that... and my husband has refused to get a divorce begging and trying so hard to show me he has changed ... what do I do..? i have forgiven him but i won't be happy if I stay with him but I don't know how to go about the divorce since he is not willing also note since 2020
Dey play, you will soon regret more if you continue with this gamble Use your sense
Freethought: My wife loves the comfort that comes with a car(i mean, who wouldn't) , she talks about it everytime. Last year, i made some savings and decided to get a car buh unfortunately, with the help of a trusted mechanic, i made a bad buy which i sold at a loss shortly after i bought it.
This morning , my wife told me her younger brother wants to get her a car and she told him she has 1.5 million naira ready (she was asked dou). The guy promised to get the car for her this weekend as long as the 1.5 million is readily available.
Now my issue is, this 1.5 million she told her brother she has is the money i got from the sale of my bad purchased car. The boy did not know the source of the money and probably think his sister actually have 1.5m to add to what he has to get the car.
I really do not know what to do rn cos i know getting the car will make her very happy and i do not want to hinder that, but I'm not really comfortable with the whole arrangement. I really don't know what to do.
The car he wants to get, according to my wife is valued at 5m.
Why not leave them and watch the way things turns out for both of them, since cash is with you not with your wife
Maybe she has some cash in her account which you don't know
I will try and keep this short, I have an aunty who works with one of the FG parastatals but she is contemplating on resigning. Reasons being: 1) the transport fare takes more than 50% of her monthly earnings as the distance between her house and workplace is far (ikorodu to CMS) 2) due to the distance she does not have the time to take care of her children as she has to leave very early and return late at night.
Ever since she told me, I tried to convince her to just hold on as i strongly believe that the minimum payment will be reviewed soon which will address the issue of salary but she stated that my solution does not address the other challenge of negligence of children.
Please i need advice on what she can do to get to work faster amd return home faster
Also, the husband is a business man that owns a business in the CMS area, I will be in the comments.
If she can afford to pay a room apartment around Bariga or shomolu
The go home on weekends, that will be fine But depending on the ages of the children
If they are teenagers she can put them in boarding schools and then have time to face other things
If her husband can afford to run the home alone without her financial support, then she should go ahead and resign
If her income doesn't worth the stress of leaving home that early and distance
Then she will not be there for the children too
Then there is no need for her to keep the job
The button line now is, if she is not the bread winer and her husband can run the home without her support monetary term
Jewessgratitud3: I suffer severe menstrual cramps and it's really taking a tow on me. Like I no longer look forward to having my menses because of the pain and discomfort that comes with it.
The only thing that stops the cramps is felvin but it makes the flow three times heavier than normal to the point that I'll start feeling dizzy. The last one scared me cos after taking felvin, on the second day I was changing diaper every 5 mins. (Yes I use diaper cos pad no longer holds my flow. ) At a point I stood up and it's as if the whole blood in my system gushed out and I nearly passed out. So I said I wasn't going to use felvin again.
Now, I didn't use felvin this time and the flow is normal but I've been crying from pain since yesterday. It's like labor pain and im tempted to take felvin but when I remember what happened the last time, I'll ditch the idea.
Please what can I use to stop the pain that will not increase the flow? Please help with remedies that work.
You need to visit the hospital or a gynecologist to study exactly what is wrong with you
Ikanium: He's my parents last child, he's 19 now. I feel he was born gay because right from when he was a child, he acts like a woman. He'll prefer to play with dolls, he'll tie wrapper all the time, we felt this was just a small kid thing and that he was going to change when he's all grown. Unfortunately for us, i think he's gay now completely. I'm just devasted right now really don't know how to go about this.
I returned home for Christmas last year i couldn't believe what i saw my brother doing. I have had a discussion with my parents we really don't know what to do right now.
Any advice in the right direction will help please. Thank you.
Seat with him and have a talk with him
He may have one stupid reason why he is in that category of stupid people
Then you will have to talk sense to him and advise him on now to come out of that stupid life
Dont use force or on that will worst the day situation
money121: If you are the poorest amongst your siblings or not doing well financially, avoid family gatherings until you have money - Nigerian lady says
Lolo Nneka Obani Wrote on her Wall:
If you know you are the poorest amongst yoursiblings or you aren't doing well financially, l recommend that you avoid family occasions or gatherings until you have money. If you must attend, kindly sit at a corner like a visitor. Let the people that are serving the food and souvenir serve you like one of the guests, so you don't end up embarrassing yourself. Do not go close to where the food and drinks are being served, sit at a corner and observe. Stop setting yourself up for insults.
One Saturday, me and another neighbour just came out from our compound, only to be hearing shout from those boys that "we can't do them anything, that we don't have the right to tell them not to stand at the front of our gate, that if we do anyhow, we go see anyhow". We just neglected them and went away. Later on, I learnt that our caretaker warned the mother to tell her daughter not to be standing at the front of the compound with those guys. So obviously, the girl went and told the guys about it that's why they were raking.
On the on Friday, 22 Dec, I came back home to hear the news that the girl have been arrested in connection to a stolen item and even though the item have been found, it was found in a bad state and the owner is insisting that they pay him for damages before he can withdraw his case. Police are saying that they can only release the girl if we pay the owner the money his requesting for,as the boys claimed the item spoilt at the girls hand, but for the boys, they will be charged for breaking into someone's residence to steal an item.
Now the mother have been begging us to help her raise money to pay the owner of the item as she doesn't have enough. But our caretaker is saying that none of us should donate a penny to her.
I just feel as though we should help her, but all the other neighbours are buying the idea of the caretaker that we should stay out of the case.
I think you should ignore them with their pleading for kind of help
The worst is yet to come up as far as they are still leaving and will steal stay there
The reply her mother gave you means that you should leave her daughter to sort her life
egobetter4me: I know a lot of you will blame me after reading this and even want to curse me, but this is my sad story and I just want to put it out there for people to learn. Don't ever let your parents decide your partner for you. Even if you have to run away, do it.
I recently got married to an ugly, short, black, smelly, village girl. At first my uncle took me to see her, then we spoke and she came visiting. All these happened in the village.
When I went back to the city, I told my mom I wasn't interested in her any more, but she insisted I must marry her. My mom would always take my joy by telling me about the girl anytime she sees me happy. There was no breathing space. We live together and I pay the rent. I loved her so much that I could do anything for her. She once sold her wrappers/materials and jewelleries, to send me money for school fees.
Anytime she tries to talk to me about the girl, I will beg her and let her understand that young people like to marry who they truly love. I don't want her, I don't love her and I don't think I will ever will. After all said and done, she still insisted, so I called my elder bro to come talk to her. He came in from another state and spoke with my mom for hours. She did as if she would allow me marry my choice, just for my brother to go. Immediately my brother left, she started again.
My mom has BP. She stopped using her medication and was ailing. she threatened that if she dies, that I killed her. I thought to myself, that if she truly dies, I might live with the regrets for the rest of my life. I really tried but I was defeated. I succumbed. But before marrying the girl, I spoke to her(the girl) that I don't love her and that I'm marrying her against my wish, but I guess she was desperate. She said I shouldn't worry, that the love would grow in the marriage.
We got married. She lives with me and my mom. Even my neighbours were disappointed in me, when they saw her. Church members and friends were all disappointed. I can't start narrating to them how I got here.
We are over a year gone now and she still irritates me. I so much hate to look at her. We've had sex only about 5 times or so and I have to get high to do this. I only kissed her once(at the alter and I cringed)
I cry everyday.....both at home and while hustling. I never envisaged my life to be like this. I had hoped to meet a beautiful, clean and well mannered graduate from the city. Someone I would truly love and she would love me too. I'd hoped that I would meet her, approach her and we start as friends, then lovers, then I would propose and all. I never planned for it to be like this.
I am so sad with my life. Right now, I'm thinking of applying for masters abroad and probably use the means to Japa and never come back again.
My life is so miserable!
Learn from me. Don't ever let your parents blackmail you into marrying someone you don't love. Pls don't. Just run away for months or few years and they will leave you alone.
You are just in a mess Is either you live with the pains to please your mum who deceived you to go into what gives you pains and sorrows every seconds of your life
Or you choose your happiness over the worth of your mother
Your mother have lived her own life
I think you should just return your wife to her parents and let them know that you are not happy having her as a wife, ask for the bride price, tranfer a reasonable amount of money to her to establish herself and that's it
Living with someone you don't have any atom of love with, is like living and dinning with an enemy
If you want to start another life, don't let anyone influence you, pick your choice of woman and live your life
Its your life and happiness, it's no one's business
Adanambra1: i am 39 weeks today and 5 days oo first timer mama i don exercise tire chop pineapple tire i dey do the do regularly i don chop spicy food tire... everything on the internet, i have done. scan already say my baby is head down position 3.5kg.... people of God, what do i do next to avoid Pitocin inducement or epidural
Allow nature to do it's work at the appropriate time you will go into labour
Foxie: Last night a vehicle carrying 4 persons had a near death experience as they tried to cross the railway, while there was an oncoming train headed towards Mushin tollgate axis.
The vehicle tried to cross before the train got close, not knowing it was already in front of the train. The car was badly damaged. The occupants of the car were 3 men and a lady. The lady was badly wounded and was immediately rushed to the hospital.
Please let's be careful out there, let's not always be in a hurry. Try to be observant when driving or walking on the road.
People are not even aware that a train has an inbuilt magnet that draws anything close to it to avoid the train having a collision
So the train magnet will draw that metal object, crush it and move on because its already on motion and can't just stop because it's already programmed to stop where it's meant to stop We must be aware of this
Prospertochu: I am a single father of triplets only 2 are with me but we are not living together due to the nature of my job. My boys are in the village with my mother and sister. The house I rented for them the rent will be expiring in March. Please I need your help with these two options.
1. Should I relocate them with me in my base in March. Right now I am staying in a single self cont because I am alone. But if they have to relocate I will get a 2 bedroom and parlour. Money isn't a problem.
2. Or I should renew the rent and allow them to stay in the village.
I am confuse and I don't know which one is the best.
What option will be better please help me pick the right one for the sake of my boys
You have already disconnected yourself from your family especially your children
The more you keep them away from you the more they don't feel connected and they don't feel your presence
You may say they are too small but I bet you that they may grow up to be loyal to whomever that are growing up with
Since you say money is not your problem, then what's your problem bringing them under your roof and watch them grow
I know you still provide for them where you are, but the difference is cleared
Ememmmi: I have an uncle that passed on early last year. My daddy told me he's my "uncle" but a distant relation because I don't know him in the village. We only met in lagos here so I think we are related but not close relation. Before he died, I use to send money to him especially during covid. At times he will ask and atimes I will send without him asking me. So when he passed on early last year, I was still sending the little amount I can afford to his wife. Its been 4 months I gave birth and she did not even come to see me. Her house to my house is about 500 transport fare to and fro. She knows there's no how she will come to my house and I won't give her cash even if at all she don't have transport fare.
She called me 2 days ago asking of Christmas money. I told her I will send it but inside me I am not happy honestly. People came from very far distance to visit me when I gave birth but this woman didn't even show concern. Anytime she call me will always be to ask of money. She said all her husband relative has abandoned her. It is not like I don't have money to give her but her attitude is bad. She has only one daughter which she claimed she's in university. I don't know how true is that Do you think I should overlook her character and give her the money
You would have told her straight away that you gave birth and she is aware but didn't call to ask after you or visit you
Anyway if you want to give her a chance give it to her If you don't want to give her, put a stop to it
Next time go straight and tell people what they did to you and don't promise things that you nay not give
The moment people knows that you are vocal, they will be careful when dealing with you
Keepamsafe: I feel so sad and devastated. Why are ladies treating good men like this
Today, I had to borrow money from 3 different loan app because im meeting a new girl today.
Luckily, we met and had our date and I spent roughly 45k I borrowed from loan app and still gave her 5k for pocket money and yet, she refused to follow me home.
Im home now, lying in bed alone and sad.
Hook up 7k, but I spent 50k today because i wanted to build soul connection. yet I gained nothing. Absolutely nothing. Not even sex and im now in debt, broke like a church rat and no woman to console me. I feel scammed.
Im in a dilemma. help please.
I want to let you know that you scanmed yourself
What on earth will make you borrow such amount of a first date
You even planned taking her home
What makes you think you are smarter than her
You were actually fastidious and end up running into debt and getting disappointed too
Who send you, na you send yourself that's why i said you scammed yourself
Romance › Re: Should I Start A Business Or Continue My Education by frozen70(f): 4:52pm On Jan 14, 2024
