₦airaland Forum

gaius01:
Arrrrrrrh

What is this one saying? Imagine him saying 'How dare' something must be wrong with this man. Is the pigeons human being? No wounder I couldn't fathom what he wrote.

Oga should pack one side, the pigeons is angry with Buhari, talkless of us Nigerians .

And which opposition party is he talking about, lose nutted dude.

It appears the joke flew right past you...

See what I did there?

Daeylar:
Another example of idiotic misogynistic men who have no regard for women but yet feel entitled to same women
Made advances. She said no multiple times. Yet you disregard it and keep pestering her to the point she had to scream at you in public. You carry a gun, rape her at gun point and blame her for her rape.

Wish they could Castrate him, cut off his hands and his tongue So he has no way to rape or arrange the rape of another lady ever again. Then throw him in jail.

Cc nextstep. See why I don't like men who continue to pester after a lady tells them No?

Point taken

However, I feel the nuances are being lost: there is a difference between persistence and pestering/idiocy. The man is obviously an idiot. There are millions of men who go about being persistent, without succumbing to raping women who shot down their advances. To pick a sociopath and use him as a poster child for all dating experiences is unfair at best.

A man could have the same interactions with 10 ladies, and those who like him will call him persistent, and brag to their friends how hard he worked to chase her. On the other hand, those who don't like him will call him pestering/creepy, and tell their friends to stay clear of that guy. Same behavior, different outcomes.

A woman needs to be pursued (and would feel bad about herself and the ensuing relationship if she "gave in too easily" without putting up resistance and making the man earn her). She needs to feel the guy is genuinely interested in her and not just looking for "any girl would do". Consequently a man needs to understand the signals he's getting, and be socially attuned to her, i.e. not disregard, but understand the "no".

At some point though, every socially aware person realizes the other party is not interested - whether it's dating, marketing, or in pretty much any social interaction. To persist beyond that point is what I think you're referring to, and I agree on that. We call out those kinds of people and let them know that behavior is uncool (either with words or jail time).

Nonetheless, I feel that to equate my notion of persistence with misogyny/entitlement is a result of misunderstanding what I am saying.

All the best!

Ironically, a stingy man won't buy no t-shirt.

TheRareGem1:
Under PDP Jonathan's watch, in crude oil alone, Nigeria earned N51trillion in 5 years, with nothing to show for the revenue except monumental stealing, impunity and no serious project except giving us 3D drawing. What are you even saying, almost 6 years and we have had improved infrastructural development to start with

And all the railroads, train stations, roads, airport rehabilitations, etc, that were started during GEJ's time were paid with what? Play money? The contractors brought out billions of their own money to build Asaba airport, bah? All the concrete being poured for the Abuja rail prior to 2015 were paid for with promises?

The projects Buhari is working on are mostly based on future money (e.g. loans), that have not been earned yet. By the time inflation kicks in when these loans need to be serviced, we'd be in that horrible situation in 90s when we paid more in interest than we could spend on schools. And now, our VP is proposing we spend money on an industry that will have very few customers by the time we're done (the world is moving away from oil)

There was massive stealing during GEJ's time, I don't dispute that. From all indications, I'm not sure the stealing has reduced... I'm not sure...

WIth all due respect sir,

The world is moving on and away from oil. The future of energy consumption is renewables. Our customers have pledged to be at least 50% renewables by 2030. The growth of electric cars in USA and China (largers guzzlers of petrol) will only accelerate in this decade, with an incoming US president who will spur it along.

Our OPEC partners are diversifying. What Nigeria should be doing it ramping up it's renewables sector via solar and hydro, issuing cheap money (incentives, tax breaks, low-interest loans) to spur development in that direction.

When Dangote's plant comes on stream, it will likely be the last large refinery to be built in the world. The last thing Nigeria needs is to spend money on a field that won't see dividends.

12inchess:
Sorry I do not agree with you. Censorship is censorship. I really do not have an answer to what or who should be censored and who should not. Trump did no more to encourage the protesters than FK or Savvy Rinu did during EndSARS. Let me first clearly again state that I don't like Trump and I still supported EndSARS and for once Nigerian youths made me proud (although I'm yet to see the benefits of the protest)

However, since Trump's legal channels of contesting the election all failed, he simply incited his army of Trumpers (Don't forget that 70 million people were counted to vote for this man). I believe he should be charged for this. And possibly prosecuted because I believe inciting the public is a crime. But is it really? If you look at EndSARS forgetting that FG may have pushed in touts to disrupt it, we can say FemCo also incited the public which led to a riot. And they could be held accountable as well. But they were never banned by twitter even after the destruction of lives and property by people most of us now believe to govt paid hoodlums. They were even supported with Bitcoins by Jack of twitter.

How does twitter become the judge, jury and executioner of who is allowed to air their grievances and who is not. Such a system with no check and balances is bound to be mismanaged, unjust and fraudulent.

The other option is to just be like China where the govt just controls everything. But the heck, isn't that we are all wearing masks now since nobody could blow the alarm on Covid early?

Summary: I don't know the answer to this problem. In a free press system I'd expect such decision is made by a law court. But the way information spreads nowadays will mandate at an instant would mandate that judgement to censor or not to censor can be give on the fly. No system is perfect

1. You're absolutely right: Censorship is censorship, but to be fair, twitter has been quite reasonable for so long. If I owned a forum, I would totally censor adult content, child abuse, the incitement of violence, among other things that I, personally, find objectionable. It remains the right of private business to decide who they do business with as long as they do not discriminate based on race, class, religion, origin, disability, and a short list of other criteria.

When users sign up to private forums like twitter, they agree to self-censor: they agree to a set of terms and conditions where they promise to be good and not do what will upset twitter. To wit:

"We reserve the right to remove Content that violates the User Agreement, including for example, copyright or trademark violations or other intellectual property misappropriation, impersonation, unlawful conduct, or harassment. ...

We may also remove or refuse to distribute any Content on the Services, limit distribution or visibility of any Content on the service, suspend or terminate users, and reclaim usernames without liability to you."

These same terms apply to Nairaland, and have applied to practically every forum out there, going back to IRC and BBS over dial up modem. One can't agree to the terms, then bitch about censorship, when they get kicked off for actions going against the user agreement. Just move one's business elsewhere. The company is a private-sector entity, and is not required to allow people to continue misusing their forum, any more than you - a private citizen - be compelled to give me your pen so I can express myself freely.


2. I cannot equate the calls for EndSARS with the calls to "take over congress". If you take both at face value, FemCo says "let's protest against maltreatment". It was peacful for weeks, then touts came in. Should we stop all protests because of the potential for them to turn violent? Should we stop supporting protesters and their right to protest when there's violence? I don't recall Nigerians using twitter saying: "let's go and hurt some people and organize a looting spree". I hate to say this but, would we have supported MLK (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.) for his non-violent marches even though some elements fomented violence? Are we then to equate the civil rights movement with the violence on the Capitol, based on a President's call for coup? That sounds like where the equation is going, in my opinion.

If the mob instigated by Trump had merely camped out outside the Capitol with their placards and held marches for two-three weeks, it would be a different matter. Even if it were to eventually turn violent, we would be able to say, no, no the aim of this protest was to call attention to the (false) claims of election rigging. However, from the get-go this was a call to insurrection.

We can agree to disagree. In 1969, the US Supreme Court held that inflammatory speech is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"
I submit that Trump's use of twitter produced imminent lawless action, and thus is subject to censure.
I also submit that the calls for a peacful EndSARS protest did not produce imminent lawless action, and is thus not subject to censure.

Once again, the right to free speech does not apply to private enterprises - especially when a contract/agreement has been entered into by the user. It refers only to a government's restriction on what its citizens can say:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

There's no such guarantee that a private company shall make no law, hence twitter is well within its authority to be judge, jury, and executioner on its own platform. Just as you can say: "I didn't like you using my pen to write all that stuff I don't agree with, give me back my pen".

There's no provision for citizens to usurp their government... Trump and his followers are welcome to start a civil war if they feel strongly that this Republic should be overturned, but cannot claim to be doing so within the framework of the Constitution. Afterall, this Republic started as an overthrow of the authority of King George III in the Colonies, and those rebels are now called "founding fathers".

classicfrank4u:
If her dad is biracial,
Does that not make her biracial too?

Abi?
"My father is biracial, my mother is full Nigerian, but I'm not biracial"?

WTF is that? OK sorry, quarter-racial? Would that work?

Collinsaik:
It is a shame, very irresponsible and stupid for facebook and twitter to suspend the social media account of the president of the united states of america for a day not to talk of suspending it indefinetely. the have lost my respect permanently allong with that of millions of sane minded people globally.

It actually is a good thing that America is the kind of country where even the President can be banned or censured by private entities should they prove dangerous - that's the point of the various checks and balances that have kept this Republic alive for over 243 years without descending into a dictatorship. We should celebrate this ban.

A President who actively incites violence against other people, and indeed the US government - is quite dangerous. Like many demagogues, should checked before things get out of hand. There have been parallels made to Kristallnacht - the Night of Broken Glass - which was a culmination of letting another pseudo-nationalist narcissist run amok. Read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch , and you can see where this could end up if left unchecked. I hope the learned Rebublican enablers of Trump are students of history.

letskeeptalking:
I bet they didn't see this one coming. Jack needs to fire his risk assessors!

Eh... this slump is par for the course. See the other dips over the past year? Notice the recoveries after March, and again in November? As a serious investor, you would buy more twitter now that it's on sale.

12inchess:
The same twitter that didn't block EndSARS? They were even facilitating bitcoin donations for them. Talk about double standards. So the Jack (owner of twitter) doesn't care if the protests spiral out of control and Nigeria burns to the grounds? These just highlights the fact that there is no freedom of speech anywhere even in America. All we have is powerful people pushing certain agendas and if it doesn't fit the bill, you can be blocked or censored.

Till now some people still errorrneously believe that Lord Lugard amalgamated Nigeria for our interest and Mungo Park discovered river Niger. Some bunch of crap that our fathers read in those British textbooks then.

Do you know that the wars between the British empire to take over Lagos, happened multiple times and over few years? That the Lagos side also had guns and canons and not axes, sticks and stones? That means we were also civilized by then. If we were so happy to have the white people amongst us, then why did we fight them at first. You wouldn't read that in any of our history textbooks would you?

PS: I don't like Trump and I supported EndSARS and end of oppression in Nigeria and I still do.. I only found out about the Lagos wars few months ago and I was utterly surprised since atleast I consider myself to have at least basic education!
I would suggest that if you're an African or black person living in these white man's world and you read about history, you really need to dig for yourself to find the truth. As they say, history is written by the victors for their own benefit.

You're right about we needing to understand our own history and not believe what we've been spoonfed. However, I need to respond to the comparisons you made between EndSars and this terrorist act.

There's a BIG difference between the people petitioning their government via protest, and the people invading the seat of government. There's a BIG difference between organizing a peaceful protest against maltreatment by government officials, and a President actively encouraging an insurrection to harm the country and its officials. Please don't conflate the two.

As we all know, EndSARS was remarkably peaceful for weeks, inspite of its size. It turned violent towards the end when some elements decided to become lawless, and when the Army decided to start shooting innocent people. The fundamental approach of these protest were peaceful, with a positive goal (end brutality). I'm focusing on the goal (and not on the unfortunate turn of events). Even with the violence, so many people remained peaceful, and social media was filled with messages and skits to not loot, to be peaceful, to stay focused on the message. There were many, but the ones by Mr. Macaroni and Brother Shaggi immediately come to mind. I wouldn't have have made sense for twitter and youtube to ban these messages. We also see parallels with the Black Lives Matter protests in the US.

On the other hand, the US President incited an insurrection whose end goal was instability and an unprecedented aim of disenfranchising millions of voters by Unconstitutional means. What makes this particularly dangerous is this was done by someone with remarkable sway over his followers, someone who swore to protect the Union and its Constitution. Nowhere before, during, nor immediately after the armed insurrection was there call for peace (I'm assuming the President's cabinet threatened his removal if he didn't). Can you imagine if an enemy of America casually joined the insurrection with a suicide vest or two? This was quite dangerous and allowing the instigator to keep fanning the flames would be unwise, despite that he is the US president.

Furthermore, freedom of speech refers only to the fact that a government will not restrict the speech of its citizens. It does not apply to private entities - for instance, a restaurant can kick out a patron who was "exercising their right to freedom of speech" by abusing the staff, and the courts will side with the restaurant. Users agree to a platform's terms and conditions, and are liable to get kicked off when they violate the agreement they signed on to.

It also is a good thing that America is the kind of country where even the President can be banned or censured by private entities should they prove dangerous - that's the point of the various checks and balances that have kept this Republic alive for over 243 years without descending into a dictatorship. We should celebrate this ban.

There is no fundamental right to freedom of speech on a private platform. Just as there's no fundamental right to service at a restaurant if they find you abusive.

Private entities can decide what is appropriate on their platforms, and every user agrees to the terms and conditions before they are allowed to access the platform. If and when the guidelines are violated, your account can be terminated.

I think people are conflating the guaranteed rights to free speech - as in the government will place no restrictions on it - with the decision to be an idiot.

Eriggs:
coming from d number supporter of d corrupt party of thieves that were in power for 16 years without building just one refinery.
I wonder how you wailers still have the mouth to talk after the evil looting you did to Nigeria.
Leave this kind of talk for genuine and good Nigerians,
Who meant well for the nation.
You are pained cos d thieves u support are no more in power to loot, not that you care for the common man on the streets.
You pdp supporters, supporters of thieves should all go and bury ur heads in shame

Please realize that PDP and APC have the same politicians who crisscross the carpet at any freaking time. There's no difference, really. The real shame is that after 22 years of democracy (and if you include military era, nearly 50 years), we still don't refine enough crude oil for ourselves. From OBJ and Buhari's first coming, to IBB through GEJ and Buhari's second coming... the same story: confused approach to the economy.

Funny enough, many men who are complaining that their children may not be theirs... are the same who are impregnating other men's wives and girlfriends.

This saga sweet me die

iambabaG:
Some landlords are of the devil.
With all the predicament facing someone, increasing house rent is what they feel they can add to the already filled plate?
My landlord is A VERY GOOD MAN.
He has a lovely wife and they are VERY considerate. Who said and Igbo landlord isn’t good? I would gladly have him as a landlord till i leave this shithole.
Sometimes, it’s not always about money.. But doing right by a fellow human.
Some of this landlords push young men into stealing and illegalities to stay afloat. Which shouldn’t be so.

The increment is in January 2022, as in next year. What do you want a landlord to do - who is also facing increasing bills. If he's retired, he probably hasn't gotten any pension for years now. OP has a whole year to plan and save.

Dude. Increment is in 2022. Landlord has given you a whole year's notice. I would say that's wonderful, so you can start planning and saving.

All I can say is "sorry", because salary probably won't increase, yet rent and fees will. Unless you have the means to use that money to start building and finish by next year.

But to show you that it's possible: my best friend just moved into his house this weekend... we roofed it together last May, he put in windows and doors in September, then ceiling in November, plastered only one room this December. But any money he has now will be for completing his house, not paying rent. He has three children.

No need for abuse... but I wish her resolution was different because ... every naira spent on Remy is not spent on building house. Just a thought...

Easiest way to become rich is to save and invest on a regular basis. If we all reflect on how much we spent clubbing, sending urgent 2k, or even on data last year... most of us can gather enough to start foundation. Good year to all!

PissfulProtester:
las las, no surprise say this man is into fraud. All these pipu from that side, never, I repeat, never trust their source of wealth

You can see evidence of his income: the factory, the cars and parts... yet you're insinuating fraud.

Nigeria's economy was #20 in 2015 before PMB took the reins... just saying...
GDP is not oil sales alone... it's gross domestic product... as in Nigerians were producing more things then.

Many people say it's better to build, and I understand. Some of my friends have built - even moving in at 90% completion - but I want to offer a counter example.

I would say just buy the house now. You pay one price today, instead of paying an increasingly expensive chunk as time goes by. Let me explain:

In today's economy, building a house gets more expensive every week. The price you pay for cement, iron, and plank during foundation will be higher when you're doing lintel 3 months later. And higher still when you want to plaster. Plus if you're renting right now, you will be paying rent while building your house. Sure you can move in even if your building is not complete, but it won't be for 9 months to 1 year from now. So add rent as part of sunken cost.

Also, most people don't rationally add all the costs of building: digging borehole or well on site; buying water for construction; building fence and gate; sand for leveling compound; petrol you spend going to supervise; every single time you move materials to site, somebody will pay for transportation; architect designs; money for omonile and other hassles; even bamboo will cost;

If you hire a contractor or supervisor, you will pay. If you do it yourself, you're basically not paying yourself for your time and headache which you could be spending working.

Those who build for a living do it well and cheaper; those who build their own house often pay more than they realize, all things considered.

Peopla are here saying: "I can't pay 3k for water oh..."
The people who pay 3k for bottle water, dem plenty for this Lagos... they are not on Nairaland complaining thou

WoundedLamb:
Wow! Nigerian youths are constantly plunging into the prehistoric lifestyle every minute. Please, let's not support this growing monster out of sentiments. I understand the hurt of losing a loved one but let logic be applied. The dumb policeman who did the shooting should be held accountable. Burning down amenities like this should be discouraged cause it doesn't have any reasonable benefit.

JidennaJason:
I guess if a Tse-Tse fly lands on their scrotum, they will burn it down as well.
Burning of the police station won't resurrect the dead motorcycle rider.
There are many calm and intelligent ways to register your displeasure over any issue.

Agreed. However, I support the youths on this one. If police realize that their station will be burned (and they will be reprimanded) every time they shoot somebody unjustly, their behavior will improve.

We also saw how the youths at Lekki calmly registering their displeasure were cut down by soldiers.

I have to disagree with Secretary Clinton on this one.

The USA is a Union of relatively independent states, who make their own laws about how their electors are chosen. The number of electors are proportional to the population, with the addition of two, irrespective of the population. It's the same way state interests are represented in Congress (and In Nigeria BTW): proportional to population (House), and 2 for Statehood (Senate). This way the smaller states are not overwhelmingly dominated by the larger states. This is a good thing.

All states are free to decide how they divvy up their electoral votes: Nebraska and Maine split their votes in the same congressional method I outlined above, while the remaining 48 use the "winner take all" approach that people like to complain about.

Most states don't want to split their votes unless other states are willing to, because it would influence the strength of their vote. Nevertheless, it is up to the people of each state to decide how they want their votes to count in the election, and so far 48 states have continued to choose the "winner takes all".

A popular vote for president of the US would be counter to the many compromises that balance the tyranny of the majority with the interests of the minority. The logical conclusion (for me) to abolish the Electoral college would be also to abolish the Senate, because afterall, confirmation of Justices, senior administration officials, treaties and such are done in the Senate - which is not representative of each state's population.

The Great Compromise ensures that power is distributed geographically all over the Union, not just in pockets of high population that - ironically - depend on the food and resources produced in the sparsely populated regions. It also ensures that each state in the union has a more balanced say in the affairs of the country - two things that are crucial in the continued cohesion of the Union.

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helinues:


Comments, suggestions are different from condemnation..

Is GEJ happy with the current insecurities in the country as a statesman?

So is it because GEJ talks that Buhari will listen? Abeg, the guy no dey hear word

Who is surprised? I'm not... everytime the thing will start out sweet betweek FFK and a lady, then barely a few months into it, na abuse dey rain. From his interactions with ladies and people in general, I'm convinced he has anger issues and may even be bipolar... there is medication for that.

Sammy07:
Truth! Amotekun shouldn't tolerate violence.
They're meant to protect our region against external forces.

Agreed. I'm glad they made this announcement... we need more security, not moral police.

Sammy07:
and by the way, Yoruba language should be guilded, some ignorant people are writing Ponmo as Kpomo, Pele as Kpele, Patapata as kpatakpata, whereas two consonants don't meet in Yoruba language.

I think Yoruba language should be made a compulsory subject in Jamb (just like English) as a mode of admission into southwest university.

else, IFA religion should be a compulsory course just like GNS in the universities and polytechnics. Maybe IFA 101

About the writing: you realize that you're writing Yoruba words with Latin alphabets, and the original transliteration was done by English missionaries. Before that, Yoruba was written in Ajami (Arabic alphabet for African languages). There is no single Latin character for the /kp/ or /gb/ phonemes in Yoruba, so until we have an authentic Yoruba script, everything is an approximation and subject to change over time, in my opinion.

I agree with the IFA part too. We need to promote our own cultural heritage

Daddy Segun was right oh... don't forget that it's only the thugs that survived that you're seeing. What about all the thugs that died in action? Because you don't see all the dead foot soldiers does not mean you too should aspire to be a thug. A word is enough for the wise.

See as people are yabbing the guy.

Do you know how many women have been caught cheating while holding cash or card from their boyfriend? Or driving their side peace in the car the husband bought? Abeg let me hear word.

But the guy fall hand sha...

nonoski:
Well Major General Adeniyi should have known better. He should have written a strongly worded letter to the Chain of command instead.

A military officer has a duty bound code, he can not choose not to like it after attaining a prestigious rank of Major General - the highest rank of career army officer (equivalent of Director in Civil Service).

That been said I still support his actions

A soldier's duty is ultimately to his country. Not to his superiors. There are times breaking the chain of command is crucial - war crimes and high misdemeanors are some of those times. His duty then is to report to his ultimate boss - the Nigerian people - the truth of what is happening. Most countries recognize the importance of this, which is why there are whistle blower laws. "I was following orders" is no longer an acceptable defense. He may still be found guilty (as per the rules of the military or agency), but it's truly sad the way our military (and many agencies) punish the very people that can save this country.

samsard:
People like Bill Gates don't use the excuse of being science students because they're science students.
I laugh when some science students say they aren't good in English simply because they're 'science students.'
Only Nigerian science students

I think he meant the other type of "science student"

This will give a much-needed psychological boost which will reduce the rate; $1/N500 is just silly... but it's a basic truth of our situation: we import almost everything we use and are dependent on the price of oil (and foreign remittances)

Economics 101: what happens when there is more money chasing a fixed amount of goods? Inflation, price of the goods go up.

What happens when there are more dollars chasing a fixed amount of naira? Same thing, price of naira should go up. But this being Nigeria, we're going to hear of dollar hoarding, so I won't be surprised to see it hit N550 or more this December.

Why does CBN like to flip flop on basic policy all the time? It's like they didn't pay attention in Econs and are using us as their practicals?

Somebody ask the UK how many people have been killed in the name of the Crown? Not just in Nigeria or Africa, but around the world. When they have sanctioned themselves for crimes against humanity, we can have some dialogue.

Who supplied weapons to Nigeria to kill Biafrans? Nor be UK? Two faced MFs.

We need to solve our own problems, and the recent protests and agitations were a step in the right direction. We need to make our own leaders accountable, not pin hopes on nations that foment trouble, sell arms to enhance it, occupy entire nations with the pretense of "peacekeaping" (which really means spending on their military), then turn around and talk about "human rights".