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LordAdam16:
In saner climes, he wouldn't have to dodge his property tax, because there'd be absolutely no reason to.

In the US, the government uses property taxes to fund public schools. And as a citizen you can easily find out how much was tax was generated and how much was spent per school district. In fact, during the elections, some states (Oklahoma and Washington for example) even put in on ballot for residents to vote if they would agree to a marginal increase in tax so they can pay teachers more.

As such owing property tax isn't just civil irresponsibility but evil, because it would affect your child or child of your neighbor (if you dig private schools) going to quality public schools.

Nigeria is a sh*thole, because no one knows where that tax would end up.

So don't bring that saner climes nonsense to this place. The government knows why they don't enforce strict tax compliance with citizens (but do with companies), because they know at some point it'd be counter-productive for them as citizens get fed up and revolt because they are overpaying without accountability. That's why they're doing things in piecemeal fashion.

-Lord

Exactly. Great analysis.

HeyCorleone:
It's people like you that are perfect Christian sheep. The Bible tells us to be aware. If the tithe is strictly used to maintain the extravagant lifestyle of the pastor, then it'd be pure insanity to keep on giving, because there are people who really need such money. I don't see how Private Jets, exotic cars, and designer wears are used to propagate the Gospel. Even the Greatest preacher ever operated without tithes and offerings.

Let's be wise please.

I don't know what I can say in conclusion to this matter. But of Satan can cause any man to disobey the Word because of what he or she hears or sees then what is the fundamental difference between that person and Adam. That is why Jesus had to physically leave earth so that folks can have faith in God. That is what Christianity is all about. Faith in God and faith in His Word.

miketayo:
Are you a Jew or a Christian?

A Christian of course. Jesus was born a jew. He made it possible for non Jews like me to become inheritors of the promise given go Jews only.

PatriotTemidayo:
See how convenient it is for you to dodge the point.
My question is simple, "WHAT DO YOUR CHURCH OR PASTOR DO WITH OFFERINGS AND OTHER COLLECTION?".

Do they throw the offering into the dust bin, if not, can't that also propagate the gospel......

And i see ignorance in your quest to prove that tithe is mandatory, I am Christian like you but I know that Jesus never forced any to pay tithe. As a matter of fact, he doesn't ask for offering self.
When Judas wanted to create a purse to keep money, can you remember what Jesus told him? If you do, am sure you can tell that is the reason Pastor want to kill themselves preaching about tithe and offering too violently.

Go back to the bible, deut., Leviticus and even the Malachi that gullible followers have been brainwashed with and read it deeply to understand for whom and what tithe is meant for.
Tithe doesn't determine heaven, Infact, it doesn't determine whether you're blessed or not, if you don't observe other rules, tithe is a waste.

Suffice to say that Malachi says ".......so there may be food in my house", how does that sound like powering the gospel........

Ignorant rant!

What are you angry about. Christianity does not force anyone to do anything. The fact that you are angry shows there is a problem. Who are you fighting with. We are trying to gain understanding by explaining what we know of the gospel. If you don't tithe it does not make you better or worse that those who do.

Bring the tithe into my house so that there may be food (in my house). Try me in this says God whether I will not open the windows of heaven.

Someone is saying foodstuffs. I am asking, where are the windows of heaven located. On the top floor or ground floor.... are they casement windows or louvred windows..... all these are figurative texts to explain a detailed process. The bible has its language. You have to be familiar with it to understand.

tickertop:
Just imagine we every Nigerian pays his tithe to someone in need , the less privileged and beggars. The country will be a better place. If the offerings and free will donations are not enough for the churches then they should close up. A church has a private jet but the members are not sure of the next meal. What are we preaching then?

No sir. That is simplistic thinking. If all the substance of the world were shared evenly within a short while it will become exactly the way it is today because we donot have the same heads and hearts. Sin is the primary reason why there is lack on one hand and greed on the other. Money cannot overcome sin or buy righteousness. That is why even Jesus said, the poor will always be amongst you.

So while it is good to care for physical needs, the spiritual roots have to be addressed by the preaching of the good news. That is why substance in God's house is critical and compulsory.

KardinalZik:
While tithe is to Yahweh, isn't it MEN that still SPEND it? Does Yahweh spend money?

Of course He spends money. We spend it on His behalf. I think what you try to say is if God has personal needs for which money is required. That answer is no. He is a Spirit and dwells in heaven. There are no needs there.

Pesuzok:
But do you agree that you are to eat your tithe in the house of God. I just read the verse you quoted

When you sit down to listen to the sermon, eating of His Word and drinking of His Spirit and your spirit is filled with the Word of God and your soul is satisfied, what is this abeg. Your physical substance had made it possible through your obedience to God in tithing. And you know what, many others you do not know personally will have come to Christ because of that obedience.

Darvel:
so there may be food.. not dere may be private jets... ur church members Hunger dey catch dem... Oga..

Food, bread, etc.... are used interchangeably in scriptures under one umbrella that is provisions or substance. Today the common denominator is money. You can replace the word 'food' for money. Does everyone who goes to church seek for rice and beans or does every beggar on the street need milk and sugar or is it turkey and sardine that will spread the gospel...

The common denominator here is substance, money. It answers most of the questions above. It will feed, clothe, secure, heal, house and pay for tickets, books, airtime, etc. Your fixation with private jets shows where your heart is, certainly not on God. Because if you do you will be more concerned about obedience.

If your loved one was ill will you look at what the doctor wears, rides or flies. Isn't your priority what he can do and what the outcome will be. Remember Christianity is a Faith and God will not force you to do anything. That is why those on both sides of the argument - the false tither and tithe thief appear to be getting away with it. Remain focused on obedience.

erico2k2:
Dont you know tithe was meant to be paid only every three years??

Because that was their cycle of commerce. Most churches ask on a monthly basis because today the month is our generally acceptable cycle of commerce. I close my accounts in December so my cycle of tithes is yearly. There is no specific time frame. There is a specific value and direction. That is the subject under debate.

Rexleo:
you just shot your self in the foot man with this ur assertion, I guess it applied wholly to our Niaja god of men.I once worshipped in a church pastor by an English man and you won't believe it he was simply addressed by his first name.

No unnecessary aggrandizement and showmanship. No vaulting ambition.

What people do does not nullify the gospel or the laws of God. It is like saying because the police drives against traffic it is now right to do that. The fact that a lot of pastors abuse privileges and even steal does not excuse you from obedience. The bible both old and new testament have references to those who committed similar acts and the consequences they faced. Moreover scriptures warn those to whom God has entrusted with His people and Their substance. They will answer when the time is right. Will you hide behind them like Eve blamed the serpent and Adam blamed Eve. We will all get punished if we fail to obey, period.

The Bible further warns in that in the end times that, 'because of the abundance of sin, the love of many (love of God, love of the Word, love of their neighbours) will grow cold...' and you should insulate yourself from that to avoid disobedience. God knows that at this time in history His resources will be embezzled by wolves in sheep's skin but His work must go on so keep obeying.

HeyCorleone:
One thing that keeps getting me confused on the issue of tithe is as it's given in the Bible, it involves food stuff, specifically harvest from one's land if I'm not mistaken. It's not like at that period they didn't have money to spend, but God instructed the use of food crops. Why did we all of a sudden change it to suit our greed? Where did it all go wrong?

At the time and place that scripture was given man's occupation then was primarily agrarian. Today we have all sorts of income generating activities the only way to quantify value is by a common denominator which is money. But even at that some today can offer services in exchange for tithes if it fits the profile. Peter let Jesus use his boat to preach and was richly rewarded with an open heaven experience. The key here is that Jesus is the church today and the purpose, spreading the gospel remains in force.

PatriotTemidayo:
Yes! But what happened to offerings and other collections?

Tithes are mandatory. Offerings are not. Because church services are mandatory while other activities are not. Churches donot ask for offerings to run services or propagate the gospel. If you walk up to a church every Sunday and expect to see its doors open and donot tithe, then what do you call yourself. Can you drive your car without petrol.

Lordkratus:
I wish you can discuss this portion of the Bible and explain in depth for our lazy Christians to read and understand make it a topic and we pray it hits front page. I dun tire for our liars that quotes malachai 3-10 which is just a reference to this deutoronomy. I would have done it myself but Abeg I no fit type many things. God bless the op for his good deed

This is a classic case where scripture tries to address multiple issues under one topic. The main topic is about earnings. Under that it has instructions for tithes and instructions for the rest and this is repeated at least twice. It can easily be misinterpreted if not read and understood closely since it begins with a text on tithes. The distinction is however clear line by line as to what a tithe is, what it is meant for and to whom it should go.

Opera240:
You did very well, beside Jesus Christ didn't talk about giving tithes, He only mentioned offerings.

Yes because He was the embodiment of the church. Check the scriptures again. He was the the greatest and the last High Priest unto God. Tithes and offerings were given unto Him. His physical presence here is now manifest in the church, his body to whom we make these offerings.

mdokaba1:
It was a very stressful week for me as it involved lots of travels and all. So its a Saturday and I was paid for a project I did for the month past.

Going by my tired nature, I knew deep down me that there was no way I could have made it to church the next day and I was hell bent on paying my tithe because of the inherent blessings therein and the last thing on my mind would be to give it to my nebor to pay it for me. (The guy broke and besides I didn't want him to start calculating my take-home (Na sharp man). And I knew deep down that if I keep the money till the next time I would be in church, I was sure I would spend it. (God have mercy on me sha)

So I decided even before getting home to package my tithe and while in the market on a shopping spree I package my tithe and dropped it in the plate of an old beggar. (A mulsim beggar precisely)

Instantly, I saw 50 shades of shocks on her face as she looked at me for a few seconds and I could read her facials more like "For this Buharia?" Lols. And before I disappeared into the crowd, I could see/read her lips mutter prayers pointing towards me. And deep down, I felt blessed and fulfilled.

But was I wrong to have given my 10percent to a beggar instead of to the alter?

Opinions please.

Yes you are wrong. The scriptures explicitly says that you should bring your tithes, "into God's storehouse so that there may be food there". In the old testament (pre-church era) Abraham offered a tithe to ''God's messenger...God's servant".

So one of few things: Tithes are given to specific people for specific reasons. That is why they have a value attached to them and are mandatory. God uses it for 'food in his house'.... to keep His house running.

Thus I cannot see how giving it to a beggar does that except you are specifically instructed by the Spirit of God and is most unlikely because the Spirit and the Word are one.

I know his colleagues, the government and the polity in general will be livid with Dino because it further exposes their soft underbelly but I am so glad at this and so wish he provokes his constituents and the citizenry in general all the more. Afterall the only two ways to kickstart a combustion engine is by compression or a spark. Dino should do everything possible to crank this cold, dead engine called Nigeria.

Lovely, just lovely.

Now that both the Feds and the State are APC there is an eerie silence as to the state of infrastructure in Lagos. The same Fashola when he was guv said all sort of things against the then PDP led federal government about this road, the coastal highway, Lagos - Ibadan, Airport Road and others. Wonder what he will be thinking now. Is he now sabotaging the economy of Lagos as he frequently alleged back then....

I'm just so sorry for Lagosians caught between a rock and a hard place, pressed to fart but cannot do so in public, cannot complain because they hold the yam, the knife, the pot and stove yet are hungry. That the only solution to their quagmire is to insist on restructuring, the decoupling of state and the ceding of strategic assets. Politics or not, Abuja is not bothered about the state of Apapa roads. To them they are not more important than Nyanya/Mararaba, Enugu/Portharcourt or Mokwa/Jebba equally pitiable.

It is the locals that feel the pinch so should be the ones to select and shop for the shoes. We have seen the limitations of politics we so wrongfully elevate in all things. Could you have ever imagined this road like this with an ex-governor as head of Works who was an acclaimed performer all in the same political camp.... no. But when I saw the poor state of Niger after Babangida, the poor state of Ogun after OBJ, the poor state of Bayelsa after Jonathan and the poor state of Katsina after all its power privileges, my conclusion remains that Nigeria's problems are structural not party-political and certainly not personal.

Marvis4real:
even her beauty could not keep him

So you can see another proof that facial and body enhancements can only attract but cannot retain relationships. How many times will the womenfolk be told that what matters is in the head not on the head and in the chest not on the chest.

...... ah, sorry sir. A no go talk.

Who cares. We told them severally but greed won't let them so they should enjoy the products.

Evaberry:
can people just learn to leave LGBT alone!!!

It is not your fvcking business

Transgender are beautiful people

Hmmm.....wierdos with psyche issues?. Next thing they stack up an arsenal and machine-gun innocent folks.

obiageIi:
Echiejile is the weak link in this team, he shouldn't even make the falcons bench talk more of the SE team, he rendered Moses Simon useless. If only he made a quarter of Abdulai sheu's efforts, the team will be more balanced

Told someone last time that for the dearth of left wing backs that guy is not national team quality. He argued. If we don't address that before the world cup, its early return because the world has an abundant number of high quality right wingers that will rip him to shreds.

Like I said, this is what Nigeria needs, statesmen. Totally lacking at the top leadership in Nigeria. And who is a statesman. A unifier, one who casts aside personality and privilege in stooping to conquer.... totally lost on Nigeria now.

Bad time to be a fan of Nigeria. Told you guys several times. Read your history. When we were shouting restructure, even those at the receiving end accused us of not being patriotic. So who are the enemies of Nigeria now....

Jonathan the best thing to happen to Nigeria when it did. Today the consciousness for a progressive, egalitarian society is greater than ever. The youth are now asking serious questions of their leaders, their society and their beliefs.

So we can all see that corruption is not the biggest problem Nigeria faces as they will have you believe in order to mask more serious and fundamental problems afflicting Nigeria.

evansjeff:
PDP should just shut up, even if Buhari wanted to do this, he now wouldn't since it will look as if you made him do it.

They will not shut up. That is their job as the main opposition party. To put the government on its toes since you the citizen chose to be the stary-eyed idol worshipper. They are the best allies to the anti corruption mantra of this government if it is going to gain any traction whatsoever.

pocohantas:
It's better than double dating.
She is 5 in 1...hungry man size.

I wish them well.

.....hahahaha....you need help.

See the mess we are in. It is no more what a person can do. It is where the person is from. This country is disgusting. How can we ever progress this way. Citizens of Nigeria must wake up and demand an end to this viscious downward spiral.

seunmsg:
This Kackikwu and NNPC matter is very shameful. The president must address the issues raised in the Kachikwu memo quickly or else, someone like me cannot in good conscience still continue to support his government. We voted for Buhari to drain the corruption swamp and ensure that things are done properly henceforth. If he cannot take charge of the government, he should resign and go away.

Buhari is not the problem. The system is the problem. Sending Buhari away is not going to fundamentally change anything. In the case of the NNPC top dog, you have heard the custom of appointing close confidants by all Presidents to that position in order to steal for them at a very untraceable source (no one from 1957 till date knows exactly what Nigeria produces and sells). So you put Angel Michael and he appoints Angel Gabriel there to cream off.

Just change the bloody system. You as a citizen should not be waiting on right people to run systems badly. You should rather be insisting on bad people to run systems you set right. Be the criteria setter. The citizens should insist on how government is run. Buhari like all other Presidents before him is given too much power. And it corrupts eventually.

The emphasis on the person above the institution is what leads to corruption. Personally I have repeatedly said that the NNPC should be scrapped. It will ruin the best of leadership. How can one man singlehandedly approve amounts in excess of the entire budget of a country. One man. Who will not be seduced by such power. Abeg we should stop deceiving ourselves. We either restructure or crash. There are no options left.

Same thing under the PTF. So much power and latitude was given to him that his boys were running riot all over town, flaunting wealth like there was no tomorrow. Young engineers fresh out of grad school who managed to link up with Afri-projects buying and building mansions all over Asokoro and Maitama within months of joining. Then one fateful day the party was over.

Any democracy without active checks and balances where the people are the chief watchdogs and All devoid of sentiments cannot prosper its people. It's is the system, not Buhari.

Tahra:
Not every man is without self-control.It's all about discipline.

So why can't the woman be disciplined as well. Remember both serpent and man, tempter and tempted were cursed by God. She is as guilty as any man who falls into temptation.

snilpall:
u quys shuld nt be myopic biko
the cloth is decent.., she didnt bare any of her body...
buh the shape of her butt cnt be hidden....even if she tie wrapper like a christian mum...it wil still be prominent....

Bull. She knows what she is wearing and knows it is tight in the right places and revealing. She shops for that and asks her designer to accentuate the details then she keeps it in the closet for Sunday service.

Weekdays she wears proper clothes not to upset colleagues and clients. To the market she wears road clothes not to attract heckles from area boys but before sheep in God's pasture they become fearless wolves and taunt you not to be tempted because church is for the pious and civilised. She can attack and not be attacked back.

MhizzAJ:
Chai

It's not her fault that she has big bum
She's fearfully and wonderfully made in God's image

If he's a real man of God...he will not be moved

Some people's kini will stand after seeing this

But can you tell us why women do this kind of thing, seeking to cause problems all over the place. Exactly what is in that head of hers. Has she considered the consequences. That she can destroy the places and people all around her. She cannot be innocent or feign naivety. They know what they are doing and I don't allow such come near me.