₦airaland Forum

sammirano:
Maybe you should read the post again, the young woman developed an infection (separate) after delivery, already the mortality of infection after childbirth is high. The testing positive for the virus does not in any way validate it as the cause of death.

Thanks for your mature response.

Sadly, puerperal infections can be caused by both bacterias (E. Coli, Staphylococcus, Streptococcus) and viruses (HPV, Corona Virus, Influenza).

Again, puerperal infections, either bacterial or viral can cause sepsis.

The sadder fact is that, while bacterial infections have treatments viral infections do not have treatments and have to run their cause, hence puerperal infections of viral nature are more probable to be fatal.

Hence, if the clinicians who handled her case have determined that Corona virus was responsible for the sepsis that led to her death you cannot fault them in attributing her death to Corona Virus.

For references see:
https://www.sepsis.org/sepsisand/viral-infections/

https://www.ecowatch.com/amp/what-is-sepsis-2645498473

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peacettw:
Exactly my thoughts. What is the relationship between sepsis and covid 19?

The relationship between sepsis and covid-19 or Corona virus is that Corona virus (a viral family of flu) can cause sepsis.

See the following link for more information:

https://www.sepsis.org/sepsisand/viral-infections/

sammirano:
Every death is covid.

If every death is being attributed to COVID-19, they would be attributing about 6,356 deaths per day to covid because an estimated 6,356 Nigerians die per day
(using 365 days in a year and assuming a total population of 200 million people)

This is based on the annual national death rate of 11.6 per 1000 per annum as of 2019 when there was no global pandemic.

The total number of deaths attributed to Corona virus as of today (since 2 to 3 weeks ago) in Nigeria is about 7 to 8 or thereabouts.

So I find it laughable when Nigerians say that the authorities are attributing all deaths in Nigeria to Corona virus.

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osilamah77:
The returning 127 tested positive now how many cases in ivory coast herself... Naija i hail o

The report never said that the returning 127 tested positive, I don't know where you got that from.

The report said that the returning 127 were tested.

110 tested negative and were released to go and join their families.

17 tested positive and government took them in for management

Of the 17, 1 was released previously and another 10 released; having tested negative twice to the test.

It is your right to have doubts and I'm only putting the records straight based on the reports that you reacted to.

dirtydiva:
Did you know what ds effect hv caused in my community Ewupe, Ogun state? Thief don yapa for street and we no longer sleep as we form vigilante group making bonfire night just to scare them off but what if dey go around with live arm? It can't continue like ds and I can't be a scape goat while the leaders are there in capital city enjoying life the way dey want

I admit that the lockdown isn't easy for a lot of Nigerians. However, I disagree that it is the lockdown that is causing theft and robberies in your community. It is people who wanted to steal that are capitalizing on the lockdown.

To get my perspective, I know from your narrative that you have just been recently employed and you are yet to collect your salary, so understandably things are tough for you. But I believe that you would never resort to theft or robbery even if things get tougher.

The people that the robbers are coming to attack in your community, are things not tough for them or are they immuned to the economic effects of this lockdown? So why have they not started robbing others?

Thieves would always be thieves!

sammyscholar:
Yet, thousands of people keep dying under the watch of their foreign counterparts!

If you feel they are not doing some things excellently well, honourably inform them and propose possible ways for them. Don't just come here to condemn.

Don't appear as clueless as the people you're trying to berate!

Some people just talk for the sake of talking. Like you pointed out, thousands have lost and are losing their lives under the "foreign counterparts" he referred to.

Btruth:
still pondering on this too. Could it be our weather?

It is really hard to tell.

bjgurl:
Good move
Meanwhile I just finished jogging in my area not Lagos though

Even if it was Lagos, I believe you shouldn't have problems as long as you didn't jog in groups.

This people here, jogged and exercised in groups of people more than 20 therefore flouting the rule as spelt out by Lagos State government.

idealogical:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9KdkM4LmQ


This is a good samaritan and a great Nigerian feeding Nigerians with her own money, but the ungrateful lots turned around to abuse insult her efforts, saying she did not give them enough meat.

The ignorant and ungrateful people thought she's representing the government so they abused and insulted the government for giving them rice with not enough meat.

This is how ungrateful, mean and callous some people are, it doesn't matter what you do, they'll still complain and abuse you because they are born complainers, born abusers and born ungrateful people.

The actions of those guys complaining about the food is condemnable. She didn't beg them to come for the food, if they could afford better they didn't need to take it.

Like leaders, like followers.

Xisnin:
I suppose you have access to their health history?
People never learn from Spain to Italy to the US and hope not Nigeria.

Politicized to what end?
Most countries are actually reducing the actual numbers according to experts.

If a hypertensive man got knocked down by a bus will you say he died of hypertension because
he could have died "any time"?

Awesome logic!

Ishilove:
Who has been releasing her? There's something wrong somewhere!

I suspect that the court had granted her bail previously and the police released her, on court order, having fulfilled the bail conditions.

According to him, 33 children have been reunited with their parents while the suspect is undergoing trial in a court.

My deduction is hinged on the clause in emphasis.

BeerParlour:
Federal government shares money in the North while police and military are extorting and killing the Southerners.

I have read about this claim somewhere and I saw an attached picture. However, there was nothing to show whether it was the FG or State government that was sharing money. Do you have better sources that can confirm that FG was responsible. Thanks in advance.

gensteejay:
Do you have sources for this, please?

Sorry, it was President Bill Clinton, in 1997, that apologized for the misadventure.

And I am referring to the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. This experiment was conducted on negroes in America. Even when penicillin was discovered to cure syphilis, they were denied treatments and they were never told that they had syphilis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment

You can use Google for more research on the subject matter using the search phrase "Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment".

gypsey:
well.. Africans are the ones who put themselves in this position, they are the ones risking their lives travelling through libya and the mediteranian sea to get to Europe.



So if the french wanted to test their vaccines on Africans it wouldn't be difficult to find 3000 Africans to test it on, all they french had to do is go the an Immigration camps in calais. they will also find lots of African prostitutes in France.

This is so true. Several years ago blacks were used as experimental specimens in a syphilis trial in the U.S.A leading to loss of several lives.

It was Obama (President of the United States - as he then was) who apologized for that misadventure much more later.

LivingSage:
Imagine. We're animals to their stinking skull
The way we conduct ourselves seems so.


Africa will be Great

I'm black and proud

Nothing says black is beautiful more than this poem!

lagdmark:
Bro, Coronavirus took every country on this earth by surprise. No nation was prepared for this level of calamity.
I only blamed our present and previous Presidents, head of states, governors, all MPs, local government authorities since 1967 after the war for not investing in National Health care. All the leaders have their clinics abroad while they abandoned Nigeria for the poor masses.
Most governors were busy building flyovers, planting flowers on roundabouts leading to just a few areas with pictures unloaded on social media.
Our wahala didn't start from today!.

Very well said.

Seun:
I don’t mean to sound mean, but some of the active cases may still end in death, so we can’t count them yet. It would be misleading. We can only count the cases that have been concluded.

(Total deaths) / (total discharged + total still being treated who may or may not die) is a meaningless statistic even if that’s what the media has been calculating for other countries. We have to compare like to like.

Seun, your calculation makes a whole of sense. It is statistically more descriptive than the other one which compares apples and oranges.

koffsman:
We don't want list we need evidence because it landed in Lagos and air force officials moved it down to abj who dey Bobo who asin this government is bleeped up

This is a step in the right direction. The states can now deny receipt of the items or otherwise.

We should now mount pressure on the states to make disclosure of disbursements of the items.

knowhowk:
All Na inside Paper ,D Government Spents more than that and nothing's Happens to our Foreign reserves,All these Nonsense excuses . Government Should give money to the Citizens oooo for staying at home .Food Food and food is what they need .It's done in other Countries ,If they can't give money they should Made Available Enough food delivered to people House

I hear you that all is inside paper. Let the government spend the entirety of the foreign reserves and after the lockdown we will all live with the consequences.

Do you know how long it took Nigeria to build up our foreign reserves even after pleading like beggars to our lenders to write off our debts under OBJ and Okonjo Iweala?

Lavisha:
use bvn.
Exclude all civil officers above level 10 and anybody with a minimum balance of N1m.
You will be left with 10m bvn's then push 100k to each.
shikena.

This sounds attractive but it will just kill the Nigerian economy.

If the 100k is meant for people below the poverty line and we assume 70% of 200
million Nigerians to be living below the poverty line; it means 140 million Nigerians
would be given 100k each.

That means that the Nigerian government would need to fork out 1.4 trillion Naira to 70% of Nigerians to buy groceries and some other consummables for 2 weeks lockdown.

Now compare that to the fact that, the entire budget of Nigeria for Jan - Dec 2020, is 10.59 trillion Naira. And the sums include recurrent and capital expenditure for the whole year (for emphasis) and not for groceries alone.

Again, giving out such amount will wipe out our entire foreign reserves which stood at $37.5 billion at the end of Feb 2020 (according to allafrica.com).

Taiwo20:
Who noticed the destruction pattern of the houses is similar to that of Abule Ado in Lagos.

And they claimed that it was a bomb blast but Lagos' case was a gas explosion. Tell me something I don't know.

In the Lagos case, there was no crater that would have been the epicenter of a bomb blast. So the Lagos' case was most likely not a bomb blast. Note, a crater exists in this case of ondo.

Throwback:
We all need to make personal sacrifices for our own survival.

Those that are too learned to accept that the federal government can effect such lockdown, should sue the government after they have survived this pandemic and the courts are reopened to entertain such learned survivors.

This is a very brilliant submission!

manontree:
I do not have a problem with the legality or otherwise of a curfew. And yes, that's what this is, a curfew. It is essentially not a lockdown or forced quarantine but a curfew. The problem with curfew tests with its enforcement. It means our law enforcement agents would have a field day deciding who have breached it or who hasnt

When you escalate such scenarios, there are millions of people that desperately would need help. They may not have enough to survive for 14days. Even rich people amongst us may discover he may need some vital food items after 10 days. Those that would like to go out to buy food and eat, how would the enforcement treat them. Would they find sellers? Would they have enough money to buy vital items

What of those that fall desperately sick within this period. Would they get transportation to seek help. Would anyone come to their aid seeing as there is a curfew?

I do not think we have experienced such a situation before. Personally I would have advocated for a week curfew and thereafter we assess how far it has helped and decide on how to proceed. Most businesses and people have been on hold for upwards of 10 days already and a blanket curfew for another 14 days, even if sensible, would result in a cruel and unusual punishment for a vast number of poor people

We would find that despite the lip service of providing some audio relief materials, most of these poor people would be on their own

Very sensible contribution.

funmike83:
Why are we like this in nig. When the man didn't talk , you were all shouting , now that he gave directives, na another wahala. We are just too complex to rule in this country

I honestly appreciate your honesty. I remember reading your comment condemning the failure of PMB to address the nation before his national broadcast and I must say that your condemnation was justified.

So, I am pleasantly surprised that you are expressing shock at the misadventure of some people here who are complaining about his directives on total lock down of Lagos and Abuja.

What is clear to me, is that while some of us, genuinely criticize the President because we need him to act true to his office, some people just criticize and even wish evil to befall the country out of their hatred for the man; it is pathetic.

Good morning.

9jaRealist:
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Lagos Isolation Center in Onikan, donated by GTBank...

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This is commendable. Kudos to GTBank and LASG.

topsquino:
90 seconds more

Quite funny that you wanted to promote and advertise your music without paying advertisement fees to Nairaland.

Havemercylord:
I know some here who had walked their talk..

All of them at point of action will tell u that getting Nigerians to act is harder..

My friend posted something above on increasing prices of food.. who did that? Government? They are our own people and they are part of us lamenting with us
. This will create a domino effect and then more people will raise their own prices and then chaos..

At this time where we need empathy..

I have come across few people who have tried using the coronavirus to defraud.. of course many will trace the blame to govt.. we can't be moving round the circle

There are many who are angry but channel that anger toward doing something positive.. to change the system..someone here channel his own anger toward helping those oppressed by the security agencies.. and he is fine.. but some will channel the anger toward chaos..

I know we need to rejig but I do not think we are helping anyone if we allow ourselves to lose our minds..

The most precious possession we have and which oppressors tried to take over is not our money.. it is not our tax.. it is not our job.. it is not political power.. it is certainly not looting...

...it is our mind! I don't know why many will find this harder but I can tell.that people who are in control of their mind can never be brainwashed nor fall for any deceit.. they will know when to get angry and when to act..

There is something in our reaction to negative things..

Do we have the penchant to react or respond?

Let me pause and give u an example..

A man went to the airport..his flight was delayed even though he is already running late.. everyone affected in that same airport was ranting and blaming everything in the world.. the airline.. the govt.. whatever.. and some were kicking.. but this man was calm.. even though he is about to lose a lot of money.

One of the attendants at the airport who was obviously on a mocking mission then went to this man.. she saw him smiling ... and reading calmly while others are agitated and pacing around..

So she feel.. maybe the man didn't know what had happened.. she said.. master..your flight has been cancelled...

The man looked up from the book he was reading and replied.. fantastic!

The woman was speechless..

She came back again later.. and said.. hotels booking had been exhausted.. that there is no more space ..

The man again replied.. fantastic!

This time the women was now ones that is upset instead of the other way..

Finally.. she went back again and send another bad news.. and the man replied fantastic..

Unable to understand..

She asked . Mister..every time I come with bad news u say fantastic.. what is fantastic about this?

The man replied..

U see.. my flight has been cancelled.. there is nothing else I can do ..i already lost an appointment.. the natural thing for me to do is pace up and done and blame like everyone there.. the appointment is lost already.. my pacing up and down or cursing can't bring it back

Then what of the hotel? She asked..

He smiled again and responded.. the hotel have all been booked.. again I could rant and wail and curse.. but here I am.in one of the most expensive and safest airports in the world... free of charge and I have time to rebook my appointment and to read and more..

This time the woman was really impressed and learned a lot from it.

In this story.. what i want to say is that there will always be bad news.. bad leaders and negative unpleasant circumstances.. most of which we can't do anything about..

Many years ago.. as a student.. i learned one of the most valuable lesson from Dale Carniegie works..

Let me quote him.. *as you and I match across the decades of time, we are going to meet a lot of unpleasant situations that are so. They cannot be otherwise. We have our choice. We can either accept them as inevitable and adjust ourselves to them or we can ruin our lives with rebellions and maybe end up with a nervous breakdown*

With that mindset..u will set out to begin to.purge your mind and control it rather than let outward events..anger..and propaganda of others control your mind for you..

Many think they are smarter and wiser by playing to the tune of those who hijack their mind and turn them into kaleidoscope of social confusion.

I tell u.. the only solution to Nigeria problem is to look within.. first take charge of your own mind.. this way u can reason clearly without being influenced by others..

Once u have done this.. find like mind who are equally solution conscious..

The efforts of oppressor is to take control of your mind.. either.making u dissipate energy on ranting and wailing.. they know that if u have focus and able to think.of solution u will.upstage them and surprise them.

Protect your mind from being hijacked.. whether by politicians or bad news or propaganda.. you must do everything to ensure this for you and your family...only by this can u have clear.mind to focus on how to beat that enemy that has taken over your joy.

I find this post interesting and I recommend it to anyone interested in learning to deal with chaos.

godkiller:
Well stated, God bless you sir

Amen and God bless you too.

stevmatt15:
WHY DID YOU OMITTED religion?
Or we don't have lessons from this pandemic?

I totally agree with you that we have lots of lessons that we need to learn with respect to religions too.

I deliberately didn't touch on that here because of the sensitivity that Nigerians attach to it.

If you read one or two of my earlier posts on the subject on another thread, you will see where I had hinted at the role of over religiousness (if you permit) in the escalation of this outbreak.

tonididdy:
2 weeks ago before we even have barely 3 cases, I said it Nigeria will shock the world soon.
In a bid to stock my house early with some foodstuffs, a visit to the market and people were making jokes about persons wearing face masks, some were jokingly praying and saying we survive Ebola, Lassa.... Blablabla this one nor get head.

Just saying Nigerians are dead stubbon and this outbreak will make or break us. I can't imagine what a chaos situation will be like when we have over 20,000 cases.

My biggest prayer now is for a vaccine. That's my prayer now.

I can imagine! We joke with everything and anything in this country.

I had a similar experience in a market in Lagos too where one middle aged man was misinforming the market women about the existence of the virus. He was telling them that COVID-19 is audio. I was annoyed and almost engaged him, because I could see that most of the women would let down their guards and not maintain preventive measures as they had been misled that the virus didn't exist thereby endangering their lives and that of their contacts.

godkiller:
This is what should have been done from the first day.

God bless us all

But it is general knowledge that there were no sufficient testing kits all over the world.

This COVID-19 is a wake-up call to all Nigerians to change their ways:

1 It is a wake up call to our thieving leaders to stop embezzling funds that are meant to fund hospitals and other projects

2. It is a wake up call to citizens to get more serious with encouraging Science, Technological, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) development in Nigeria. Let us reduce our fixation on Big Brother Naija (BBN) and other inanities. Perhaps, if we had invested the time, funds and energy that we invested in such, we could have had a fighting chance of rapidly developing our local testing kits without having to wait for the white folks.

3. It is lesson for corporate organizations to take adequate interest in the health and well being of their customers; because when your customers and prospects are afflicted your business will feel the heat.

AuroraB:
...if the government comes short. Are the citizens goats? A case is in view in my hometown at the moment. He died a day after he came home with obvious symptoms of the virus. Coming from China, then Lagos and couldn't self-isolate or come forward but knows his way home. Now, how many of these locals have gone to hug and welcome their son I ask you again, how is the government responsible for one man's wickedness/selfishness

AuroraB, I hardly come across Nigerians who take responsibilities for their actions; with this post I see you as one of the few who believes that we should ourselves accountable as much as we hold the government accountable. Kudos. Meanwhile I await the response of justus7 to your post.

In the face of a communicable pandemic when we should reduce contact, against authorities' advise; some mega churches held services with several congregants, some more Muslim faithfuls still thronged mosques for prayers, an "A" class musician still had a show with several people present, a Governor had a political rally and people are still throwing naming ceremony parties!

With this our nonchalance, we shouldn't blame anybody for whatever befalls us.