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Forget all this corruption nonsense. It wasn’t corruption that prevented Nigeria establishing citizens’ records and data bases but political amateurishness. Without citizens records you’ll not have the right people in right positions even if nepotism and tribalism ended. For instance, Schools up and down Nigeria almost certainly employ rapist and murderers regularly because Nigeria does not keep records. Same with police. Then when teachers’ rape students and police murder citizens, you all cry corruption and hell-hole.

XXXXTENTACION:
Rome was not built in a day---unknown

Exactly!


Leave Buhari, democratically elected. Vote him out, next election if you can. Leave next man in power until his tenure or voted out. Leave the next one after that, vote them in vote them out, Rome was no built in a day. Eventually there will be an Igbo president of Nigeria; nothing can stop this happening except Nigeria ceases.

XXXXTENTACION:
We demand for a better Nigeria.

is that too much to ask

How will you and the protesters achieve this? Also remember Conventions. Nigeria is a democracy.

If things go South, I pity poor, everyday Nigerians; 150 million of them, poor unsophisticated sods clutching cheap Chinese phones through which they are being brainwashed into believing that the destruction of their beautiful diamond of a nation will usher in the good times when they will live like the Americans.

thebosstrevor1:
How Did it made France better, have you read their history to see the number of date and destruction is brought

Many of them just like how it sounds. It is also in text books and a word to shout in order to seem smart. They haven’t yet learned the wearing of barrette and the punching of the air, shouting, “Power to the People!"

Nigeria, possible first Internet Victim Nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKqkoY9LwyU

CHIOMAEZEH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N1Q_4peFKc

Men of the Rapid Response Squad, Lagos state police command, ran for their lives after some thugs attacked their van along Herbert Macaulay way in Yaba on Monday morning October 19.

Nigerians have an inflated sense of thire suffering compared to the rest of the world. Nigeria will become a more peaceful and progressive place when Nigerians' perspective on how the rest of the world live in comparisons to themselves becomes more realistic.

Nigerians do not realise how so much better off they are than people in much of the third world. And how so much freer they are than people in first world nations.

Disaporan Nigerians bare much of the blame for deceiving Nigerians to this extent. Sad.

Imagine what Brazilian police or even US police would do to rioters pelting them with stones....

blackmantis:
Don't mind the unintelligent one's.....the next thing would be massive looting.

Mass looting will be excused as " ploy to discredit"

MisterGrace:
It might be a ploy to blackmail #Endsars protesters.

When does this argument become a stupid one? I didn't use the word counter productive because it always was.

Banks are broken into, you claim it might be ploy to discredit; churches and mosques burned, it might be a ploy to discredit; shopping malls are broken into and looted, it might be a ploy to discredit; buses are stopped, passengers disembarked and killed, it might be a ploy to discredit; simple minded Nigerians protest in the racist suburbs of America are lynched, oya, it is Nigeria US embassy's doing and a ploy to discredit; when will something that looks and smell like a rose be taken for what it is, a rose?

Let the protests keep to thire moral and just aim of pressuring the government to reform the police. Nigeria desperately needs a police force fit for purpose. The add on's are a distraction at this point.

lincsnuel:
I don't encourage jungle justice. I'm only giving logical rationale behind such gruesome act. If the police and judiciary are transparent, jungle justice would reduce tremendously. People will stop taking laws into their hands. All social ills witnessed in a country usually boils down to the lackadaisical attitudes of the administrators of that country.

It will stop when ordinary, everyday Nigerians speak up about it as publicly as they are doing with SARS. When lynching becomes a forefront subject in national conversation, practitioners of this type of acts will become increasingly more self conscious when opportunity presents and gradually the practice will end. The far reaches of Nigeria are less remote than once.

Hold your state governors responsible for the condition of your state. Even if Central government is responsible for some conditions, hold your governor responsible still. If Nigerians had done this from the beginning, things will not now be as bad as you say things have become. Grab and hold your state governor's trousers and shake him. He can grab the president's agbada if he likes but you grab his trousers and force him to be responsible.

The number of police killings in Rio de Janeiro,
2019: Police killed 1,810 people, an average of five per day, the highest number since official records began in 1998.

Critics blame the rise on policies that include the use of heavily armed agents and helicopter-borne snipers to fight criminals in densely populated areas.

One unlawful death at the hands of the police in Nigeria is too much. The point is that a bit of perspective will help Nigerian protestors articulate thire grievances better in the eyes of the world if they are going to appeal to the world as they seem to want to do. For In the world league of police killing and brutalising citizens, SARS would not rank.

Citizens from nations like Brazil, Columbia, Mexico, USA, and so many others will be nodding in mock sympathy with Nigerian youths crying on world TV about thire suffering at the hands of police. So Nigeria protestors need to be more aware of world events in others to put thire case more sympatrically. For instance, is SARS particularly bad because it has become essentially a tax collecting racket now and no longer fit for its original crime combating purpose ? One in which the very top of police share the profit etc

Finger pointing the wealthy, questioning their income, staring at their mansions and cars with anger is unnigerian and isn’t a state of mind Nigerians should get into or be encouraged to adopt. That route lies ruin. Like I’ve pointed out once, the wealthy do not have to build in Nigeria, they can build in other nations, and some do, depriving Nigeria of – at the very least, something other than grinding dirt to look at. Already, nations like Bermuda are making overtures at Nigeria’s wealthy people to go live there.

Eh, guys we need more pics and or more names or we just have to be content that, at least, we Nigerians take this seriously.

Topic throws up the conundrum of Who Polices the Police. For example, in this our world of fake news, mass access to information, mass ability to create and output information for mass access and ample doctoring software and such, who is going to guarantee that the supposed State Secretes that this hacking-crew threatens to expose are in fact the actual state secret and not state secrete altered by the hacking-crew to suit their own agenda?

These ones are not the type that shout, 'Nigeria's disintegration', up and down. They made no excuses, blamed no one, they did thire thing. They saw the opportunity in Nigeria, the great big yawning possibilities that is Nigeria, and took advantage and now look at them.

They shouldn't have cashed in yet though. They should have held on to thire business longer and be more ambitious. Elon Musk is human too.

Duru9:
Fear of USA is beginning of ........


EndSars

Wow, you don't want to give Nigerians any credit do you? Anyway, if people that liked your comments think a little deeper, they will realise that what you stated doesn't work as a piece of insight.

For instance, if this government fears US so much why has it failed to address so many issues like Fulani heardsmen? Why is that musician still under death sentence for supposed blasphemy? Why isn't homosexuallty legalised? Etc

It's good the people rejected him. Nigerians are smart. Sowore represents opposition party after taking part in last election as a candidate. If the protesters had endorsed him, and this is what it would look like had they let him speak for them in any way, then the protest ceases to be about young people rising up against police injustices or even injustices generally but becomes a movement created by disgruntled opposition party unhappy about loosing the last election. In short, police brutality protest becomes an excuse under which opposition party wants to mount a coupe to topple a democratically elected government.

olarent:
You can support the protest as well no place like home if our home is good why traveling abroad those useless politician make our home uncomfortable for us we shall regain our freedom.

I'm not abroad because I felt Nigeria was no good, I'm abroad because I wasn't smart enough to get into Uni in Nigeria. My life now involves traveling between Nigeria, UK/Europe and the Caribbean. There are Japanese, Norwegians, Americans and all sorts of Nationalities here in the UK and actually in the Caribbean too. People travel. Sometimes people get stuck in different countries because of all sorts of development that crop up. I miss Nigeria a lot in spite of all the inadequacies.

I love that you all are protesting, you showed doubting Nigerians that when it comes down to it , you all can unite across the nation, regardless of tribe, class or religion, to fight for what is right and descent. I'm not seeing hate for one another among the protestors, but unity, determination and purpose. I just hope it remains that way and that you all do what you can to force police reform for the better. The danger lays in the embittered old, with thire bigotry and thirst for personal power, hijacking the young to push this nation into conflict.

Probably vultures scouting the lay of the land for strategic positioning when you Nigerians foolishly descend into war for absolutely no reason as some are pushing you people to do with all that talk of disintegration. For Nigeria's future, if you people foolishly overthrow you democratically elected government, see DR Congo.

I thought Nigerians said there's no food in Nigeria everyone there looks fat and the food looks better than what I eat here in London. My stomach is rumbling just looking.

Charx122:
What makes her mad she just spoke her mind...she could be in a vehicle with a Nigerian guy and the SARS can just show up!! To embarrass them.. anything can happen in your country..

Russia has many rights issues too and there are Russians challenging these. Reactions in Russian lingo on any Nigerian who publicly endorses Russian protestors on any domestic Russian issue would be interesting, colourful reading. At last, foreigners’ participation on Nigeria domestic issues is kind of embarrassing. Nigeria aught be championing black identity (breaking the perception that blacks are children requiring white guardianship and control) among which self reliance is one important part. We are instead here acting unapologetically COON and Strong!

Perhaps we can redeem ourselves by arguing that we are pioneering a new form of people power, utilising Social Media to get everyone in the world involved in washing our dirty cloths. One in which hence forth people all over the world would view this actions in Nigeria as the blueprint for change in their respective nations, a new means of challenging governments world-wide. We are pioneering World Wide People Unite! Unfortunatly, Black Lives Matter beat us to that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0-8YrIuvVU

Hmm, I've begun to notice Ghanaians becoming more envious of Rwanda because African Americans are showing increasing interest in that country. Hope their Ghana Troll houses do not start a negativity campaign on them the way they did Nigeria. Rwanda went through a traumatic period and deserves all the luck and support they can get.

But knowing the Ghana stupid, jealous mentality, I can foresee them having realized that people are slowly catching on to what they do, they will soon start attacking Rwanda using Nigeria identity.

In order to mitigate the power and influences of these Troll houses, demonizing certain African nations, I would advice any foreign blacks or African Americans reading this to visit any country in Africa they want, find out for yourselves, and do not let questionable and anonymous people online scare you.

You need more states not less. You need better state governors and more accountable and monitored state governors. You need a sort of government arm responsible for major regional development. So, more states but block development body whose existence will cut graft and the cost of bureaucracy by being responsible for handling major developments regionally. Unfortunately, we witnessed what occurred with that Niger Delta Development Commission.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMbSzFf_wTc

Coldie:
12 state system is not feasible there was a reason more states were created. More States were created to curb marginalization.

Ebonyi people used to complain about being marginalized that development wasn't reaching them.

Rivers people especially the ikwerres were extremely marginalized under the old rivers state by the Ijaws before bayelsa was created.

Same with akwa ibom/cross rivers. It was marginalization of akwa ibom people by cross rivers that turned lots of them into house maids back in the days

Indeed, this platform that has revealed to those of us born after the creation of more states, just how bigoted the major tribes can be, minorities would be crazy to accept regionalization or state shrinkage. It would be disenfranchising.

Devolved power can equally mean grass-root representations, in this instance, meaning more Tribe representative states. Delta state barely represents Isoko and Urobo people, as it is, without some selfish lot wanting to dismiss our relevance by subsuming us within some larger tribe, especial one whose most ardent advocates are little differentiated from Ethnic Supremacists’ that are never clearer than when expressing hatred and contempt for others.

The usual Nigerian predilections to exaggerations and rodomontade are no longer appropriate for these times and this generation. The former generation were generally more nuanced, lived experiences broader, relation with Nigeria’s cultural norms and values closer. They understood the colour and actual realties inherent in the Nigeria vocabulary were words are spoken and understood in context of our oral traditions with all its underlying humour. The current generation seem more rigid, gullible and unimaginative. They are prone to taking things at face value, running off emoting and tearing at their hairs.

EbukaHades10:
Made my research and found out that it's actually more expensive living in Ghana (93.6%) than in Nigeria and less expensive in benin and South Africa (24%) but that they (Ghana) are OK with whatever they are given doesn't mean we too should zuzu and take anything they give us

LOL

But we need a wider and official one from the Office of National Statistics not your empirical one. For example you take workers across Africa in similar occupations, let’s say Uba taxi drivers or similar working in Lagos, Nairobi, Cairo, Addis Ababa, living in similar accommodations, rented or owned; take average pay and tot-up common sense expenses such as monthly cost of food shopping in Supermarkets or informal markets, if they were to buy a pair of trousers, shirt and shoes in that month in addition; utility bills, making allowances as appropriate for power cut, dry tap etc; cost of fuel and local vehicle taxes; loses due to bureaucracy and infrastructure, that sort of thing.

Anyway, thanks for the points you made.

EbukaHades10:
B4 we start comparing, do we have a working system? No

In the end ,all this long yarns na still okoto meow

Coincidentally, I was just a moment ago wondering why no one has made cost of living comparisons across Africa or even the third world, taking into account relative wages, currency value in each nations, taxes, bills, energy, goods and services. You know how we are inundated with those world lists that often place Nigeria at the bottom. For example, you take workers across Africa in similar occupations, let’s say Uba taxi drivers or similar working in Lagos, Nairobi, Cairo, Addis Ababa, living in similar accommodations, rented or owned; take average pay and tot-up common sense expenses such as monthly cost of food shopping in Supermarkets or informal markets, if they were to buy a pair of trousers, shirt and shoes in that month in addition; utility bills, making allowances as appropriate for power cut, dry tap etc; cost of fuel and local vehicle taxes; loses due to bureaucracy and infrastructure, that sort of thing.

Such an indicator would be difficult to conduct but it may be worth it in order to introduce the concept of Perspectives to the fevered Nigeria national discourse. Governments in Africa, especially Nigeria do not pay enough attention to the influence of psychology in nationals’ sense of being.

The following is going to enrage some of you but here goes: you Nigerians have been living too free in Nigeria and have grown spoiled and entitled. Majority of you are ignorant of true state of the world. Government has been thin on the ground. In spite of SARS, Nigerians live lawlessly and have done for too long. You people barley pay taxes. You drive cars without going to driving schools, meaning majority of your driving license are forgery. You guys with vehicles don’t pay insurance. You people don’t pay for road maintenance. You people build homes illegally. Erect buildings and structure where you want. You piss and shit where you like, without police harassment, when even if facilities are absent you could still ease yourselves with a little consideration for others and your environment. When you own business you often sell unlawful stuff in an unregulated market. Regulated markets are taxed. Nigerians go into the bush and hunt animals many of them animals on the endangered list that are unlawful to kill. Chemists sell outdated meds, without penalty from the law. Majority of you are not even Nigerians for you have no evidence such as birth certificates indicating where you were born. You pay virtually nothing for fuel. The list is endless. You all owe Nigeria a great deal but this truth is drowned out in the general rabbleous and ignorant noises you make about some mystical oppression, when your true oppressors is the limit ignorance has placed on some of you minds, depriving you of the ability to see opportunities that abound everywhere in that country Although, how one is oppressed in a nation that is effectively without functioning police, judiciary or tax system – the very definition of the perfect Free State – is beyond me.

One day you people will work yourself up into a lather of such rage, you will destroy Nigeria and then you people will go and live in other nations and pay bills at a higher rate than ever dreamt of in Nigeria.

iboboyswag:
Oga calmdown... If you don't know what is happening, ask questions.

Just be patient and in time you'll realise that I’m better informed on this topic than you.