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OLAADEGBU:
These are self explanatory.  Verse 5 tells us that children of Abraham were supposed to pay receive tithes and if they were obligated to pay receive tithes

I observed some errors in your quote. I know its not intentional, so i tried making the necessary corrections. You dont need to thank me.

OLAADEGBU:
Should God require tithing under this priesthood at the first and then discontinue it when Christ became a Priest after this order?

I don’t see anywhere in the bible where it was stated that tithe to Melchisedec was a Godly mandate/requirement.

OLAADEGBU:
Should a mere typical priesthood be supported and not the eternal priesthood itself?  In verse 8 we see that If temporary priests have received tithes, how much more should the eternal priest receive them?

We all know why the "mere typical priesthood" was given the necessary support, are you saying the Lord needs our cash (certainly not Naira) to meet his daily needs. I dont think its right for us to make this kind of comparison.

OLAADEGBU:
In verses 9-10 we see how Abraham was the representative tithe payer for all his seed to come.

Now what are you saying here? you end up confusing some of us. Are you saying Abraham has paid tithe on everybody's behalf? So we dont need to tithe anymore, huh?

OLAADEGBU:
If you read verses 11 to 14 of the same chapter you will discover that the eternal priesthood typified by Melchisedec was the original priesthood.  It existed over 400 years before the Levitical Order.  Over 600 years after the Levitical priesthood David by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit prophesied that another and a perfect priest would arise after the order of Melchisedec.  The Law, did not contain the original priesthood, which existed typically in Melchisedec and became reality in Jesus Christ.

I am still confuse here. What do you mean by original?

I understand the need for you guys to be very creative to justify tithing, but i think you are it too far.

Tonye-t:
Zikkyy since you've resorted to accusing someone a thief simply because he fails to see it your way

You labeled yourself a thief, I was only requesting confirmation from you.

Tonye-t:
i think u r beginning to run out of ideas and as far as i am concerned you dont have any case here again,

I don’t need to come up with new ideas here Tonye-t, my position is based on what the bible has to say on tithing for Christians. You on the other hand, will have to be creative to justify this unholy scheme.  I think you should continue digging for more scrolls in your effort to justify an evil scheme. 

Tonye-t:
i'll apprecaite you stay out in the crowd and clap while goals are scored by the players.   [/color]

Ba wahala. It obvious (from my posts) that I no longer take you seriously. The problem I have is the clapping part, do want me to clap anytime you score an own goal? Cos that’s what you been doing so far 

aletheia:
but come to think about it, you may be right about other men's sheep, just not the sheep of Christ.

Now you talking. I agree with Mr Joagbaje here. The pastor is the shepherd and the ignorant and gullible members of his church are the sheep cos they are constantly being fleeced  

Tonye-t:
6. They said since we arent levites, we should not collect tithes, i asked them, ok, so since we arent Jews, we should not also give offerings.afterall it stated with them (Jews) And they called me[b] Tonye-thief[/b]

Na lie?  

Tonye-t:
8. I asked them to show me where it was justified to give once tithe to widows, afterall in the OT the tithes were given to the priests and levites who then distributed it to the people. They rather claimed they had right to do whatever with their moneys. ok

Mr Tonye-t, where you get this info from? Na wa for you!!   This your get rich quick or tithe trying beliefs you are selling will not get you anywhere. There is still time for repentance, i suggest you act fast.

I think Olaadegbu is a robot. His responses are based on pre-program answers. His developers (MOGs  ) obviously did not anticipate the kind of comments/views being expressed by most posters on this thread. I believe he needs an upgrade.

Pastor AIO:
Professor Agbaje will be along shortly to put you in the know.

Tonye-t:
OK! But atleast tithing is new testamental and for christians right?

Wrong.

Tonye-t:
Simply proof it with scriptures!

What do you want me to prove? that you chose to lock yourself into a promise to handover 10% of monthly income to your pastor? I dont understand you!! Its not my business what you do with your money.

Tonye-t:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]No!No! No!, they both mean different things, pls be kind to read this and correct me where possible

I have no intention of correcting you Tonye-t. I am only here to stop you from spreading your false/evil beliefs on tithing.

dupsygal:
wish i cld read thru ds thread, but i got the gist from page 1, God help us all, maybe we shld jst read our bibles and practice its simple words rather than trying to coin some of our own

A good number of people have their pastor as their decision maker. Maybe it’s because it appears easy and stress free or maybe it’s lack of confidence in our abilities. Not having control of the decisions we make has it disadvantages. I wish you practice what you preach. Please take some time off to read the bible and let’s have your view. Copy & paste from Tom Brown will not suffice here.

nuella2:
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@zikkyy is not my fault u dont have a pastor,

For once you are correct. I dont have a pastor. Well done!!

and in case you dont know, i already have the Lord as my shepherd.

nuella2:
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a pastor is a shepherd not holder of lives.

You have to work hard to justify this. Am sure you will gladly jump into the Lagos lagoon if he tells you to.

nuella2:
Aniway my life i gave to God so is not mine animore.

I am sure you sent it to God through your pastor, cos it looks like he is still hanging on to it.

I agree with wirinet, christians will always fight subforum or no subforum.

A_K_O:
Does being "alive to their responsibilities" imply suppressing all forms of criticism against the religion?

I do not support suppressing criticism here. The current breed of posters could become extinct and you end up with new breeds at the end of the day.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe that tithing is biblical or unbiblical?

The issue is not whether tithing can be found in the bible, for me its all about how you interprete and implement that practice for modern christians. I consider it an issue when it is interpreted to serve the purpose of a particular group at the expense of others. What i see is a lot of people accepting this because it aligns with their personal goals. But i think it will be wrong to pretend there is no problem.

OLAADEGBU:
Tithing to a true and faithful steward of God is an obligation that has to be done as the Lord prospers us.

This is where i have issues. I believe a lot of people do not know why they tithe. They tithe because you have made it an obligation (and because you made them believe it will lead to prosperity). Giving a tenth (or an amount in excess) of your income to your church or pastor is a personal obligation and not an obligation for all christians.

Tonye-t:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode]Hey Ogajim dont run be a man and answer this question [U]IS TITHE A MOSAIC LAW[/U] [color=#000099]

Your modern day tithing practice is based on the mosaic law. If your current practice is based on the cultural practice of acient  babylon, am not sure anybody will complain.

Tonye-t:
Matt.23:23 - And Jesus said unto them practise mercy, practise Justice, practise Faithfulness and also do not neglect to practise Tithing (American paraphrased version)[/font]

Tonye-tithe, this one you are bent on collecting this illegal withholding tax, i dont understand. If you dey work for council, Lagosians would have been subjected to all forms of illegal fines and dues. We cant have people like in you in such sensitive positions since you like money too much.

If you are bent on rendering this tenth (assuming you are not an MOG) go ahead, but dont deceive/threaten ignorant christians into parting with their money. Its not right. There is nothing wrong if you just request funding from the congregation to meet church activities/projects. I am sure a good number of them will still contribute.

Compulsory tithing is not new testatmental and not for christians. tithing for christians is based on freewill, its your choice and not a requirement from GOD. If your rendering a tenth of your income to your church was with a genuine belief that you are promoting the work of God, you can be blessed for it (cos you were sincere, its the heart that matters), its no different from the man that decide to give his 10% to the window or orphan next door. Both intentions are Godly. But dont pressure or force people to give. Giving with the belief you will reap bountifully, or becuase it keeps the devourer away from your bank account lacks sincerity. Please Tonye-t preach the truth.

Let learn to give because of the joy it brings to the giver and the receipient and because it is Godly to. thats is what christianity is about.

nuella2:
whatever that means, why dont u look dirty and poor since that is what your marketing.

From the tone of your post nuella2, I would say you are either an MOG or you’ve sold your soul to one. Don’t vent your frustration on me (it’s obvious you are) it’s not my fault your MOG has reputation issues.

BTW you dont know what i market.

Its a marketing thing. If you sell prosperity, you must look it.

@KunleOshob, this your preaching on ‘love based giving’ will not fly oooo!! My people will not give for free. I guess the best way to beat the MOGs at their own game is to adopt their approach. If you can find a way of linking the love thing to prosperity Tonye-t will be one of your first convert

Pastor AIO:
I am quite certain that you are not an aramaic scholar either but I don't understand why you will not avail yourself of the technologies available to us all.

Tonye-t prefers the old (archeological) approach of digging for scrolls

Joagbaje:
join a living church and submit yourself to a pastor.

OLAADEGBU:
In the same vein, God has in His infinite wisdom, planted His children in various parts of the world today. He, therefore, expects us as "light of the world" to, through the gospel, touch and brighten the corners where we are.

The gospel also provides that he who is taught in the word, should communicate to him that teaches, in all good things (Galatians 6:6). We are to free God’s ministers from distracting cares, and to leave them at leisure for the duties of ministry; so that they may be wholly employed therein. The maintenance of ministers is a thing to be taken seriously according to the will of God; those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel, and comfortably too.

Unlike the Levites, we have (in addition to earthly benefits), eternal inheritance which fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for us, having begotten us unto a lively hope through the eternal sacrifice of Christ, our Saviour. What a privilege!

Thought for today: A crowning day awaits us in heaven.

This has absolutely no correlation with the practice of compulsory tithing. If you need money from your congregation, ask!! If they like and believe in you, they will deliver. Don’t force it out of their pocket. That’s criminal.

@Tonye-t, my man go get another job I beg. This is 2010 you have to repent of your old ways and move on. You know I will not allow you preach this your false belief of compulsory tithe payable to the MOG 

BTW How was your trip to Greece? Any new discovery (i.e. new scrolls) on tithing? 

princekevo:
@Zikkyy

Please sir, we have passed the stage of arguement, you can go back to read my previouse post.
From your comment on the bold. You should ask yourself, who where the levites. The Levite were the tribe of isreal, separated and chosed by God to take care of his tabernacle(pristhood).

You miss my point, the priest is only entitled to 1% of tithes (tenth of tenths).

princekevo:
@Zikkyy
Who are the today's levites? Anyone that is being chosen and anointed by God  to take care of his tabernacle( the prist).
We are not ignorant that many prist of today do not wok and there are some full time workers in the house of God, part of the tithes can support, jst as bible mentioned in Nehemiah 10:38-39
38 "A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God,  to the storerooms of the treasury. 39 The people of Israel, including the Levites, are to bring their contributions of grain, new wine and oil to the storerooms where the articles for the sanctuary are kept and where the ministering priests, the gatekeepers and the singers stay.
"We will not neglect the house of our God."
I think i have done enough justics to this thread, Am off, he who have ears let him hear what the spirit of God is talking to his church.

Your quote above indicates that only 1% of the Isrealites tithe is taken to the store room. I honestly don’t know why you want to elevate your pastor to the exalted position of church worker & not priest.

I don’t have a problem with anybody rendering a tenth to the church, and I am not here to stop you from giving cos I believe in giving myself. It’s the justification you provide that really upset some of us. Take my advice and go read your bible all over again. The requirement of tithing as practice by the Israelites is not for Christians, but it does not stop anybody from rendering a tenth. A good pastor deserves more than a tenth of your income if the need for him to have it does arise. Wishing you a Happy New Year 

Happy New Year to everybody on NL

princekevo:
I have said it before, you should do away with that tittle pastor before God will be angry with you, if he is not already. You claim you are a pastor, but you dont even know what the genuine works of God are or probably you have problem with your understanding. The temple staff, scribe, singers etc in the house of God, what are they doing there? Is it not the work of God? So when these tight of tights are being giving to them for consumption, is it not used to support them that are doing the work of God? which is directly or indirectly supporting the work of God as the prist, singers, temple staffs and scribes will not minister to you with an empty stomach. This is simple reasoning with understanding for God's sake, unless u want to come he start elaborating the works of God.
For example. If your are giving a child food in the morning,before he goes to school, afternoon when he comes back from school and night b4 he sleeps. Will it be wrong if i said your are supporting his/her studies?

Maybe you guys a limiting Gods work to what some Nigerian pastors are doing in Nigeria there in the name of Gods work, enriching themselve. Am not ignorant of their practices, but question here is that Shall we change the doctrin and principle of God jst becoz a man who suppose to represent him is doing something else? the answer is NO. The wod of God remains unchanged even if all the men of God on earth chosed to go their evil ways.

Take it easy prince. I sense frustration here. You just wont go far with your thoughts on tithing here. I advice you stop seeing yourself as jew with an ancestral origin that can be traced back to one the twelve tribes of israel. Please go back and study your bible again. And believe me consulting your pastor will not help.

I think Kunleoshob should consider buying a bulletproof vest if he is to continue on this mission

KunleOshob:
Cost cutting strategies which leads to short changing the congregation and the poor/needy whichs leads to profit maximization

I agree with the current practice. Considering the size of the congregation, you will need to triple the tithe & other takings to serve a full meal

Joagbaje:
Tithing was not meant for the poor. but for the store house. the tithing for the poor was a special one every three years.

So to answer you question the Pastors are the ones that presides over the tithes in church . The reason is because of the anointing on them to confer blessing.
Numbers 18:8
[i] And the Lord spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons, by an ordinance for ever

OMG!! joagbaje, where are you from?

You will fit nicely with my man Tonye-t

We make the mistake of believing the tithe kept in the house of God is for the pastor’s use and promoting the work of God (I am yet to understand this part) or maintaining and expanding the church.

In the book of Deuteronomy, tithe was meant to be eaten. The Israelites were never directed to bring their tithes to the temple storehouse (see Deuteronomy 14:28), tithe was first stored in the temple in the time of Hezekiah when he ordered the construction of chambers in the temple. The purpose was to provide safekeeping for surplus tithes and offerings (after everybody has eaten). Levites were subsequently appointed to distribute these items (see 2 Chronicles 31). The tithe kept in the temple storehouse belonged (by law) to the Levite who were temple workers (I also agree that the tenth of Levite tithe for the priest was also stored in the temple chamber). So if we have the Levites today to take the tithe from the church strong room/vault, no problem then. This is based on the assumption that we (Christians) are required (by law) to render our tenths. I guess the way we practice tithing today negates the initial concept of tithe which was to provide for the needy as well as Levites required to work in the temple with no other means of livelihood.

@Princekevo,

In the book of Deuteronomy, tithe was meant to be eaten. The Israelites were never directed to bring their tithes to the temple storehouse (see Deuteronomy 14:28), tithe was first stored in the temple in the time of Hezekiah when he ordered the construction of chambers in the temple. The purpose was to provide safekeeping for surplus tithes and offerings (after everybody has eaten). Levites were subsequently appointed to distribute these items (see 2 Chronicles 31). The tithe kept in the temple storehouse belonged (by law) to the Levite who were temple workers (I also agree that the tenth of Levite tithe for the priest was also stored in the temple chamber).  So if we have the Levites today to take the tithe from the church strong room/vault, no problem then. This is based on the assumption that we (Christians) are required (by law) to render our tenths (you know we are not). I guess the way we practice tithing today negates the initial concept of tithe which was to provide for the needy as well as Levites required to work in the temple with no other means of livelihood.

And I don’t think Jacob promise to give a tenth of his blessing will serve as good enough justification to tithe, cos we don’t know if he did tithe, how he rendered his tithe (was the items left to rot at the makeshift temple or was it offered as burnt offering to the lord), was there ever a priest to receive Jacob’s tithe?

Tonye-t:
Zikkyy: Hey zikkyy my men my men my men , just one sentence. you are a hidden gem.[size=20pt]l[/size]

Thanks Tonye-t  every new year comes with loads of expectations & dreams. wishing you a beautiful new year where  all your objectives will be realized.

Also wishing you a new year with a 0% tithe default rate 

Joagbaje:
Satan is pumpin billions of dollar to attack the church and discredit men of God we look up to.

Joagbaje:
Satan sponsor many of these accusations and some so called christians and men of God who lack the power of God in their lives are helping the devil carry out his assignment

Never knew he was that loaded

Joagbaje:
Jesus did not get 100 percent result either .

KunleOshob:
Obviously fake, can you imagine a snail that has just been delivered being dry like that If it truly came out of the woman it should have at least had some blood/ fluid over it. Anyone that as seen a freshly delivered baby can attest to that.

It was a spiritual delivery, so dont expect to see blood/fluid

Tonye-t:
@osaromike,
Zikkyy is very much correct, i suffered severely when i came in newly from wrong infos peeps give "stating that tithes are no longer relevant" can u imagine that with absolutely no reasons for their opinion but because some fake pastors used it falsely therefore TITHE SHOULD BE BANNED. imagine!however i will refer you to this thread click here so you understand what i went thru' from fallasy until i came to myself not too long and am now a crusader

You will end up a clown if you continue down this path

@Pastor Tonye-t, hope you dont mind my asking, i am not so familiar with some of the various remittances you have to make in church (of-course i know about the normal offering & tithes). When is the first fruit paid? is it when i get a new job? or once a year maybe at the begining of every year? Thanks.